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pete_dushenski: @realDonaldTrump: "I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th."
pete_dushenski: ^ what a cool million buys in the used car market these days.
pete_dushenski: "There is widespread belief that violence in poorly governed countries is triggered by international demand for their natural resources. We study the consequences of U.S. legislation grounded in this belief, the “conflict minerals” section of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act. Targeting the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, it cuts funding to warlords by discouraging manufacturers from sourcing tin, tungsten,
pete_dushenski: "Using geo-referenced data, we find the legislation increased looting of civilians, and shifted militia battles towards unregulated gold mining territories. These findings are a cautionary tale about the possible unintended consequences of boycotting natural resources from war-torn regions, and the use of international resource governance interventions."
pete_dushenski: bwahaha "possible unintended consequences." only POSSIBLE !!1
pete_dushenski: "The evidence suggests the legislation significantly increased the incidence of looting and the incidence of violence against civilians by at least 291 and 143 percent respectively."
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret."
☟︎ pete_dushenski: trying to make sense of this. seems like good qntra material.
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assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:04:14; mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster"
pete_dushenski: "using too much concrete and trying to bankrupt the great state" vs. "using too little concrete and jeopardising the security of the great state"
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pete_dushenski: Bingo_VACAY: i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're away atm and that there's no point in sending you the same piece
mircea_popescu: "4. You think it’s pretty unfair that women effectively work from 4 November until the end of the year for free because of the gender pay gap; and that female managers “work for free” for nearly two hours a day; and that the pay gap is even wider for women of colour and disabled women."
mircea_popescu: it's not that they show up to work and still take home less money.
mircea_popescu: it's that they do not show up for work, they get the same per hour pay (which on the strength of that alone they should not, for the record, as i'm not paying the same an hour the guy who works 16 hours and the gal that works 6.5) and so logically at the end of the year they get less.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this fatass notion of equality for some things only.
mircea_popescu: "i used to be an entrepreneur but then i took a fatter to the knee"
punkman: "does not need physical contact with the substance being tested because it uses a beam of light in what is known as Near Infrared Spectroscopy."
punkman: they did this scam on kickstarter already
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punkman: oh the israelis are also on kickstarter
mircea_popescu: I think that the real situation in American mathematical education is even worse than TIMSS shows
mircea_popescu: because TIMSS followed the anti-theoretical bias of American educators. By “theory” I don’t mean
mircea_popescu: anything too advanced. Let me give an example. When I was in high school, we studied the quadratic
mircea_popescu: function in a rather complete manner. In particular it was obligatory for all Russian schools to teach
mircea_popescu: children to derive the formula for roots of a quadratic equation ax2 + bx + c = 0 , to prove that the
mircea_popescu: sum of roots equals −b/a and that their product equals c/a and to use these facts to factorize the
mircea_popescu: trinomial. Most American students whom I ever met were not even aware of most of these facts.
mircea_popescu: " E.g., my graduate students in differential geometry could calculate quite hard integrals to know the area or the length of a curve but were not able to answer the question what the geometric sense of the roots of the quadratic equation x^2 − 2Hx + K = 0 is, where H and K are the average and the Gaussian curvature of a surface."
mircea_popescu: i mean for fucks sake, what's even the point of knowing math like that
pete_dushenski:
http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/ << "The median was eight correct answers out of 12 (mean 7.9). The data show that adults with higher education levels are more likely to answer questions about science correctly. Men score an average of 8.6 out of 12 correct answers, compared with women's 7.3 correct answers.Whites score a mean of 8.4 items out of 12 correct, compared with 7.1 among Hispanics an
mircea_popescu: thank you mustachjioed nigger what's his name, you totally helped those people
pete_dushenski: only 6% of 'representative sample' correctly answered all 12 questions
mircea_popescu: more million man marches plox, clearly they fix problems.
mircea_popescu: "When I came to America, I taught several classes of problem solving and started to appreciate much more the basic education, because my new students dramatically lacked it. They understood advanced ideas but floundered in algebraic transformations, which turned solution of interesting problems into painful struggle with basics."
mircea_popescu: Oh, god. Such pain and suffering. When I took usian slavegirls, attempts to discuss art and philosophy and so forth quickly floundered over a basic inability to remember sentences and build logic trees, which resulted in beatings and many tearful hours spent over grammatical analysis of sentences. Something they should have spend their 12th and 13th year of life on, back before anyone could possibly want to fuck them,
mircea_popescu: under the guard of some old prune too dessicated to fuck them in the first place. Not waste MY fucking time with it.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 03:24:57; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret."
mircea_popescu: so : some chemical reactions are strongly exothermic (they give out heat). aluminum salts chief among them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the idea to use this as a heat source is older than the aeroplane. i had perfectly functional schematics in books published in the fucking 60s.
mircea_popescu: the utility of the process in various industrial lines is due to the relative high heat, readily controllable total energy and relatively low latency.
mircea_popescu: it is, however, very inefficient (ie, costs a lot more per joule than pretty much any alternative)
mircea_popescu: "The idea to teach fractals in school has already found many supporters. (Everything is possible for those who are not competent enough to understand how difficult it is.)" << heh. "But fractals are cool man, like the universe's all connected and everything"
mircea_popescu: "I asked several school teachers who were enthusiastic about teaching fractals to define a fractal and none of them mentioned the idea of dimension, least defined it. Usually they emphasized “repeating patterns”. When I asked why they were not satisfied with wall-paper, they took offence." << yes, because who needs to take a breather and think when they could take offence instead and flail!
mircea_popescu: but yes, the man has a point. fractals aren't for everyone. just like bitcoin isn't for everyone.
mircea_popescu: if you want fractals, first go away and get rich i mean, figure out what a number is, then come back
mircea_popescu: (i am not even all that keen on toom's obviously very geometric take on fractals. they're an analytic construct, which yes can be graphed, like any other function. you don't need "dimensions", you need numeric theory.)
mircea_popescu: "The authors of “standards” want to reform American mathematical education, but actually only aggravate its main shortcoming: vain ambitions and contempt for consistent, systematic and thorough study." << this is a societal problem. Obama is not an accident, but an archetype.
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mircea_popescu: but since toom mentioned the fractal problem, let us consult the web. because the web knows shit, right ? all human knowledge, accessible to everyone etc, right ?
mircea_popescu: "fractal Definiciones web Un fractal es un objeto geométrico cuya estructura básica, fragmentada o irregular, se repite a diferentes escalas. El término fue propuesto por el matemático Benoît Mandelbrot en 1975 y deriva del Latín fractus," blablabla.
mircea_popescu: but perhaps the spanish speakers are retarded, right ?
mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not to mention that the number 1, as well as the number 0 and the number 78 are "self-similar" on all scales, in a technical sense or not.
mircea_popescu: and so is f(x) = x/this guy's IQ. for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: "A fractal is a natural phenomenon or a mathematical set that exhibits a repeating pattern that displays at every scale." via en.wikipedia. or in fucking definitions, THIS IS ALLOWED NOW!
mircea_popescu: in what fucking alternate universe may a definition include the word "or"
mircea_popescu: "A fractal is a figure with repeating patterns containing shapes that are like the whole but of different sizes throughout."
mircea_popescu: "An object whose parts, at infinitely many levels of magnification, appear geometrically similar to the whole. Fractals are used in the design of compact antennas and for computer modeling of natural-looking structures like clouds and trees."
mircea_popescu: From: Boris Subject: Fractals What is the definition of a fractal?
mircea_popescu: From: Doctor Douglas Subject: Re: Fractals Hi Boris. The key idea in the definition of fractal is "self-similarity". What this means is that the object looks the same no matter what power magnifying glass you use to view it.
mircea_popescu: "A fractal is a never-ending pattern" quoth "fractalfoundation.org".
mircea_popescu: jesus fucking christ no english speaker can produce a definition of this concept.
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mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and with this observation, the world as observed suddenly makes significantly more sense.
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mircea_popescu: (ironically, the concept can be correctly introduced - if one's willing to take the geometric route, and in so doing miss out on most understanding available in the topic - by first explaining what a tangent is and then demaning a closed continuous curve be drawn that allows no tangents. good enough for a bright 12yo, plus minus. but otherwise, fractals are of analytical rather than geometrical interest.)
mircea_popescu: (and if you're doing that, pretty much every bright 12 yo kid has been playing mentally with the peano curve while taking a shit and following the tiling, but didn't know it's called that. so you could of course tell him.)
mircea_popescu: (and once you've done that you're right over on cantor's doorstep and so forth. this might even be the best way to even introduce numbers altogether.)
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mod6: thx, havin some fun :]
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mod6: I created this basic svg graph map of all vpatches to modified files. lol, thing is huge. ridiculous looking.
trinque: gonna fiddle with it a bit, but yeah, I'm getting a little observer going that'll go kick him in the ass when appropriate
trinque: weechat seems to do better about knowing when to reconnect
☟︎ trinque: so this will keep the guy going until I find time to write a better IRC handling core
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mod6 to bed, have a nice evening all.
mircea_popescu: In fact, even the term “word problem” is not used in Russia, because the word “problem” usually means a word problem, while non-word problems are called “exercises”. << exactly correct ftr. the difference was even enshrined as such, in the ro equiv of "standards" cca 60s.
mircea_popescu: and so all the books were called "exercitii si probleme" or "probleme si exercitii"
mircea_popescu: i don't think as many people lived the bible as a whetstone in their life during the whole history of christianity
mircea_popescu: as the headcount of romanian kids toiling with gheba during five decades.
trinque: it does seem that the english speaking world's ability to define anything meaningfully is deteriorating, fractals included.
trinque: I believe you've made the point many times in your work that language creation/alteration is *not* for everyone.
trinque: and that's exactly what we've done, more ways than matter to list
mircea_popescu: im not even sure it's any sort of alteration above and beyond simple decay through disuse.
mircea_popescu: byzantium when it fell to the turks was 4-5 villages lost among pastures surrounded by ancient walls, and american english is similarly a huge complex architecture maitnained by the remnants of a leper colony
mircea_popescu is naming his heroes in this game, and he decided all the thieves get stripper names (for obvious reasons) that start with the letter c.
mircea_popescu discovered he had got candi and candice on his very own!
mircea_popescu: i also have cherysse which apparently is my own invention
mircea_popescu: ty internets. you might not know wtf fractals are, but you certainly spring the goods when it comes to naming strippers.
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phf: mircea_popescu: iirc that was before ukraine. << that was indeed before ukraine. i saw a few of my well trained, but otherwise bummy friends with "business" go oh well party is over and switch to sberbank financial analyst positions or somesuch.
phf: last time i was there, friends lamented that you can't get real parmesan for real pasta and have to make do with inferior russian knockoffs. if i make it to moscow in the next few weeks, will be curious to see where the whole party is at now.
phf: but splurging on the latest iphone is definitely the last thing on their minds
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phf: ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple << there's three apples in my mind, 90s one, the early 2000s one when programmers migrated from linux to a unix that Just Works, and the post iphone explosion apple. the first two are dead (10.10 is the final reason i froze my setup and migrating my entire stack away). but my point is that maybe you guys are just arguin
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mircea_popescu: well on the other front, i just got taken to the only actual pizzeria in buenos aires
mircea_popescu: there's >10k dubious establishments that pretend all sorts of things, up to and including HAVING INVENTED THE DAMNED THING, but otherwise never saw one.
cazalla: what is your position on pepperoni on pizza mircea_popescu ?
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phf: you mean like a bell pepper pizza?
punkman: I'd rather have bacon than pepperoni
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt people who call salami "pepperoni" ever had proper salami anyway.
phf: mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html A fractal is an object or quantity that displays " << wolfram's "new kind of science" is all about "this one thing i generated kind of looks like this complicated process, maybe they are related? i feel like they are!"
mircea_popescu: but no, you're not supposed to eat american processed meats, if that's actually what you had in mind. if what you had in mind was actual salami, say with peppercorns or something... sure.
mircea_popescu: phf they can go discover the moscow school of psychology for all i fucking care. idiots.
cazalla: tbh was more trying to bait you into a maddox is the best/worst discussion
mircea_popescu: <phf> you mean like a bell pepper pizza? << absurdly the us figure spicy salami can be propperly called "pepperoni", which is normally a veggie.
punkman: mircea_popescu: so what's your favorite pizza?
mircea_popescu: most recently i've had white pizza with fried chicken and artichoke and margherita with extra anchovies
cazalla: i'm not even sure if you can buy proper meats like prosciutto down under
mircea_popescu: the former home made because srsly i have never seen a restaurant that made edible white pizza
punkman: white pizza, cream instead of tomato sauce?
punkman: never seen that in a shop indeed, sounds like a good idea
punkman: I have some kilos of artichoke hearts in the freezer
mircea_popescu: cut the chicken in very long thin strips and butter fry them lightly, can also add sautee'd eggplant
mircea_popescu: (if you sautee the eggplant first, then you use the butter to sauce...)
punkman: kitchen oven usually doesn't cut it for pizza
mircea_popescu: in spite of pretense to the contrary, nobody can tell teh difference.
punkman: not too hard to find a proper stone oven around here, though I don't have one at home
mircea_popescu: (also, the proposed device does not actually work. the female ass is exactly antithetical to the steel ball. negative ricochet factor. fortunately.)
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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:14:17; mircea_popescu: so : some chemical reactions are strongly exothermic (they give out heat). aluminum salts chief among them.
shinohai: Think of the terror they possibly averted asciilifeform
shinohai: I feel better knowing the Federal Bumbling Idiots kept me safe from a college professor.
gribble: diametric was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <diametric> punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads.
nubbins`: there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version
☟︎ shinohai: I kind liked the wii, used to play drunken golf and bowling with an ex gf.
nubbins`: idgaf about "gaming" "CoD" "achievements" etc
nubbins`: plus, mario kart 8. just saying.
shinohai: I still love playing Mario Kart for 64. Had it on an emulator but my current lappy doesn't support the graphics
funkenstein_: nice to see you nubbins, coffee is better today :)
funkenstein_: bravo re: fractals are everywhere continuous nowhere differentiable
☟︎ funkenstein_: i too had cantor's diagonal proof "taught" in jr. high
funkenstein_: but the trouble is it is also taught wrong in a similar way
funkenstein_: "a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors"
☟︎ funkenstein_: "a line is self-similar, now you know fractals"
funkenstein_: "sqrt 2 is irrational, now you know uncountable numbers"
funkenstein_: numbers like sqrt2, pi, e, are members of the set of computable numbers.. which is countable
funkenstein_: seeing how every computer program is an integer
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ben_vulpes: mobility is important to me, basically, and these are the only usable even remotely nixy portables being made.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
ben_vulpes: but in the same way that java (wrapped in the fucked up functional language clojure) and javascript (wrapped in the fucked up functional language clojurescript) are acceptable tools with which to cut wwwtronic code, the mac is an acceptable tool to drag around an office.
ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: along with not carrying a mobile phone.
ben_vulpes: "Throughout this whole thing, I keep thinking "perl does that, perl does that, perl does that."
ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: all i have to do is make one misstep with the SJW mob.
ben_vulpes: i have a whole company that does this.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have a ware of "the dream machine"?
assbot: The Dream Machine: J.C.R. Licklider and the Revolution That Made Computing Personal: M. Mitchell Waldrop: 9780142001356: Amazon.com: Books ... (
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ben_vulpes: well, 'tis a book about licklider iiuc
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williamdunne: Can someone please give me a signed message to test something with? It can be filled with any old garbage, but has to be a key not on my machine, and saves me the hassle of creating, deleting, importing pubkey to test one message
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assbot: Healthy male refugees in Hungary refusing food and water for women and children on train - YouTube ... (
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trinque: ;;later tell pete_dushenski bitbet added to rss feeds
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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 17:12:44; asciilifeform: 'This arse rape was performed using Free Cock only.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 10:18:46; phf: ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple << there's three apples in my mind, 90s one, the early 2000s one when programmers migrated from linux to a unix that Just Works, and the post iphone explosion apple. the first two are dead (10.10 is the final reason i froze my setup and migrating my entire stack away). but my point is that
phf: there are two lenovos, which are entirely different products
trinque: asciilifeform: I've got the x1 carbon and the fucking hinge broke
phf: i meant to say there are two thinkpads
trinque: I'm about to epoxy the thing
kakobrekla: i have a few x220 (which seem better than x230 which the girl uses)
phf: i actually think apple killed thinkpad
trinque: macbook pro did seem to step into the "professional computer" role
kakobrekla: and ips seems to be quite scarce among non apple. sux0r. i cant see a tn anymore.
trinque: I recall before that it was IBM thinkpads
kakobrekla: you can actually upgrade some old tps to ips.
funkenstein_: as I see it the reason to have a crapple is you can pretend to know nothing about computers
funkenstein_: once i moved to only open source software I have to install linux on a few laptops every month
funkenstein_: 12 year old girl installed debian on a dell box the other day
kakobrekla: well just once. i was trying to see how sturdy it is. and i broke it. was an easy change of part tho.
trinque: my gentoo install on the x1 is entirely adequate, can suspend
trinque: don't ask me what I did to make it work, though
phf: funkenstein_: when gentoo came out it had a reputation of being a "ricer" os, like how people put spoilers on cheap cars to make them "racing cars". all you need to know is how to tweak a few flags, and then spend a night watching a compilation log. of course these days ~even that~ is an arcane skill
trinque: ^ package.mask and -useflag
phf: asciilifeform: these days it is, yes. back then the little amount of crap you had could be manually removed by patching your deb package or whatever
phf: asciilifeform: it's not theoretical. base set of debian packages was fairly clean in 2005, and the few that you wanted to behave your way, you could ~trivially~ modify
kakobrekla: trinque whats the buttery time on that thing
phf: in ~2015~ it's a different story, and i'm not arguing the value of gentoo here
trinque: kakobrekla: claims 9hrs; I would expect with heavy use it's more like half that.
punkman: phf: and in 2006 it had that nice rng bug
trinque: yep, so I would say I've gotten 3-4hrs while coding out
phf: punkman: debian is older, so would show signs of cancer earlier
phf: this is also roughly the period when people running various unixes on their thinkpads imho decided that as long as you have to deal with shitty code, might as well use a mac, which let you run same userspace, at the time still had an opensource kernel, etc.
phf: but would play videos, do projectors and connect to wifi, or whatever was the pet peeve. battery life
trinque: well "desktop linux" was an utter fail
trinque: so you either spend the inordinate amount of time I have writing your own tools for the "desktop" or pay someone who already handled that for you
trinque: and this tape-job holding emacs and stumpwm (and now conkeror) together is hideous
phf: desktop linux destroyed linux as a system for professional workstations. poetering (or whatever) made his name on desktop-ification of subsystems that were supposedly "hard for common user"
trinque: if gabriel_laddel's is masamune, I guess mine can be "sting"
trinque: when I say desktop, I mean place where I tape together system functionality into functions I use in daily work
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, don't need pulseaudio for sound (even with mixing!), don't need networkmanager for internet connection (even wifi!), don't need systemd... dont need...
trinque: "container support" in kernel, don't need it.
punkman: it starts with "recent" cpu
trinque: this is why that packet-parsing networking device interests me so much.
trinque: could consider your computers "bubble-boy", unfit to interact directly with the outside world
trinque: the "blobs" for example, the concern is attack vector, right?
trinque: a businessman might begin with creating the network device, then later try to build a boy that needs no bubble
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 05:46:04; mircea_popescu: taci si suge.
trinque: people buy derpy firewall devices all the time
phf: asciilifeform: i don't think "having-been-doing-it-since-2000" is true, naggum ran into the main issue when he tried to run his own fork of 19 without the mule braindamage, gave up since merging changesets becomes unproductive. i think somewhere around those emails he talks about how he no longer has stamina to review new changes that are introduced into his system, and that's 2001 or so
phf: well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email, sms, incidentally that is also last version i can find my way around (pretty sure massive amd/intel commit blogs came later), but it's impractical to use it as main system, unless you go to extreme measures of "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style
trinque: right, it's an economic problem..
trinque: which is why I keep bringing up incremental products along the way to rebuilding computing
trinque: I've seen men before that fixated on a desired end result so much that they didn't bother with the intermediate steps at all.
trinque: they (economically, at least) died
trinque: all businesses that grow operate like this
trinque: that cartels sell crack and heroin does not preclude them from whatever other activities they might undertake
trinque: owning the southern united states someday.
trinque: ever read Egan's thing about Colombian biotech-lords?
trinque: I don't underestimate anyone who can handle that level of organizational complexity
trinque: but the analogy was that one could sell technological dope to fund research on the other thing
trinque: the competition is nonexistent
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trinque: just means we need another war
trinque: I think the problem with the idiocracy idea is precisely "here is everywhere"
trinque: every time one group weakens and falls inward, someone else is there to skullfuck them
phf: i guess ascii's point is that skullfuckers are not particularly good at ic design, etc.
trinque: heh, there are those social spiders in the Congo
trinque: phf: the germans weren't that great once upon a time, then they came around
phf: trinque: it took an awfully long time, i want my utopia tomorrow!
trinque: then the anglos fall and maybe the muslims shape up
trinque: phf: haven't found starfleet yet, nor even a used Firefly in a junkyard
phf: asciilifeform: they are no good even at basic literacy and opsec. << those andrei toom's articles...
trinque: you're talking to a guy who dropped out of university when he realized he'd fallen for a cardboard movie set of a university
phf: asciilifeform: oh i'm bringing them up in support to what you just said, so no
phf: reminds me of michael brin stoping and erasing a proof midway explanation while loudly proclaiming "you idiots wouldn't understand this anyway", but then his son, sergey brin, presumably outfitted umd data centers, etc.
phf: i remember having many lulz finding it last time, not sure if same website, but idea is the same "omg!!!worst prof eva!11"
phf: hehe, i too had to take it twice. i skipped a semester to take it with brin again, and "applied myself" that time
phf: re heaviside i don't grok how he could work in a hot room
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phf: me neither, but i thought that was norm. also makes me think that bullpen programming offices are a conspiracy
phf: actually wait i see your point
phf: i was once laughed out of interview for suggesting that i want an office with a door that i can close on demand
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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 13:59:29; asciilifeform: shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:21:00; funkenstein_: bravo re: fractals are everywhere continuous nowhere differentiable
mircea_popescu: which... you know, i slept on this, and it occurs to me that ACTUAL MATHEMATICS might be the perfect thing to implement over V.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: now if only i was in prison and i had the fucking undisturbed time to actually do this.
mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a half-baked implementation of V is what i had been maintaining in my head throughout my schooling years.
mircea_popescu: dude, nobody had to wait for glass to do chemistry either
mircea_popescu: corpses are almost pregnant women for almost any purposes
mircea_popescu: problem is the people giving the latter peripueral fever didn't really realise
mircea_popescu: this is starting to feel like fucking highschool all over again. shit, i missed that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point re peripueral fever is important. see, the people DIDNT KNOW pottery is no good for reuse. so couldn't get to chemistry. guess why ?
mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so they ended up with an exact equivalent of "idiosyncratic medium, creative artistry"
mircea_popescu: which is to say, fucking divination and assorted theatrical bullshit.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:22:29; funkenstein_: "a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors"
mircea_popescu: ontogenesis repeats all the accidents of phylogenesis in a distorted, cursed form.
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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:00:49; nubbins`: any of you nerds own a nintendo 3ds?
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:01:44; nubbins`: there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:38:00; mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts
mircea_popescu: i have a dead sand nigger on file, but his name was spelled differently.
mircea_popescu: so was the reported death exaggerated or the name misspelled or what gives.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:47:45; asciilifeform: i did try to explain this to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: what, you needed to render the film of fucking stoya in your hotel room ?
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:49:14; ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i actualy had to do that i'd hire a mexican to drag a desktop and use special cabling before i'd use a fucking proprietary laptop.
mircea_popescu: it's not "this is moot to mp, with army of slaves". it's "he who refuses to buy into, can't help but end up with army of slaves".
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:52:48; ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like."
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck the undeclared function of if.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's another way to say im inefficient :)
mircea_popescu: is support mandated throughout the whole namespace ? can i assume randomfunction knows of $_ ?
mircea_popescu: you can actually use this to obtain code that compiles to different results can't you ?
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless $_ can take the value of being a function
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mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform won't deign to call that thing a compiler
mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear)
☟︎ phf: afair perl uses multiple namespaces, so $ is explicitly a storage space, i.e. a variable
mircea_popescu: phf you mean a number not a pointer, and using it to be a function is abuse ?
phf: it's a pointer alright, but if you were to store a function in there, you have to use special syntax to execute it
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 22:33:02; assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear)
mircea_popescu: no, the local boys don't need zee german. they are perfecty of age, and perfectly capable to split the goods themselves, which includes the women, which includes his wife.
phf: $_=sub() {print 'hello';} but then $_->() to call
phf: it is sad that i have this information stored somewhere in my brain, and that it eventually can be recalled with some prodding
mircea_popescu: what if i make the program branch, and then load itself as $_ ?
phf: right, there are different namespaces for different kinds of data, like $ is a scalar, @ is a collection, & is a callable, i'm sure other things i forget
mircea_popescu: &=sub(if microsecond time is prime, output [this program but with microsecond+1 tested] ; else if microsecond time si not prime, output [this program])
gribble: Error: "this" is not a valid command.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but at least that thing compiles to a fixed form.
phf: or the little lisper for that matter
phf: which was particularly oriented towards computation is data is computation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out. << lmao "taler", who the fuck came up with that one. but anyway, no. they are weak and know they're weak. throwing shit at wall to see if maybe sticks but in no case admitting ownership. so... no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is kinda why i was mocking the "lisp as its own thing" thing days back
mircea_popescu: im not bothering with rms anymoar. prolly like the libc improvements, he doesn't understand what it is and whatever, more words to put on website
mircea_popescu: "Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market." lmao ok. here's a news tidbit : so called "black market" IS the mainstream economy.
mircea_popescu: the govt sponsored ponzis are not economies to begin with.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, this point needn't be decided theoretically now, seeing how it'll be decided practically in just a few years anyway.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you what it did. allow me to bring the illustration, one second.
mircea_popescu: the girl, being too young, thinks this is a bad thing, because romanians are thus so observably different from the "more civilised" assorted cattles of europe.
mircea_popescu: the notion that a queue is an acceptable situation is more enmitous to humanity than any other mental device.
mircea_popescu: for instance, the argentinians : they are definitely orcs. they queue perfectly well.
mircea_popescu: there's strictly no reaction between the bovine quality and the feline quality.
mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore.
☟︎ shinohai: Don't be hatin on Tetris asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: and you propose to defend this behaviour or what am i missing ?
mircea_popescu: well, the romanians have ipods like any other marginal civilised place : well in excessd of need.
mircea_popescu: you can obviously either have independence or the fake growth of govt sponsored ponzi participation.
mircea_popescu: look that sicily hasn't fallen into the ocean, like syria hasn't, like etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i didn't take you to the subway and i guess you didn't have the curiosity to go on own hm.
mircea_popescu: aha. what state has failed ? austro hungary failed. soviet russia failed. soon the us will have failed.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile california is just about to fall into the fucking ocean. oddly enough. problems it didn't have as a "failed state", it has in abundance as a whatever it is.
mircea_popescu: in a very peculiar sense that includes the sea, which is a large part of why i think la tera trema such a major point in art.
mircea_popescu: just some derpy project manager at some derpy french state taxburner feeling uppity.
mircea_popescu: (Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique)
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:28:45; mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't carry in translation, but in the original the very strong implicit bias is that the pushing is to be done with the very face in question.
mircea_popescu: in english the bias is more towards gunnery sgt hartmann's "gimme your war face".
mircea_popescu: which would be "the face you make while being engaged in war" not "the very face you shoot at people"
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:41:58; mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck are men for even, if not to teach the woman!
mircea_popescu: phf: well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email << this design hasn't been recently reviewed i would guess.
mircea_popescu: "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style << i still maintain pretty much any version of gimp is better than photohsop.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work for "filthy casual" that wishes to pretend like he's doing serious work while really not doing much of anything. but otherwise, if you are actually goin gto do serious work, it is by far a better use of your time to work the parenscripts of gimp into the shape you need them to be with the guarantee you will be agle to get there,
mircea_popescu: than to derp around in a labirinth of ps "features" that aren't even exposed properly (you want me to... click ? seriously ?) and with a cvasi-guarantee you will not be able to do it, but have to settle on "this is how we do it in ps".
mircea_popescu: which settlement is the exact antithesis of art, for the record.
mircea_popescu: in other words, the only people who benefit from the "easier to use" iconographic interface of mcdonalds cash register are both illiterate and noit actually involved in the restaurant business.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that for a majority of people out there, the existence of the sandwich would stay a mystery lest they saw it drawn on a key on their cash register.
mircea_popescu: but those people are "lest concern" as they say about overrepresented, nuisance species.
mircea_popescu: people find it uncontroversial that lamp amp is better than cpu amp. i've seen people gush over 1990s state of the art computerized algebraic systems.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the point that there is no possibility of value even outside of gimp stays elusive. yet it's the same damned thing.
pete_dushenski: hey now, at least you save your scribblings on 'ipad pro'. guitar hero only gives high scores
cazalla: gimp is pimp in otherwords and no fucking around with adobe activation and t3h cloud ver of photoshop
phf: i've realized that a lot of my systems anxiety comes from trying to be "filthy casual" with a lot of technology i have no business in. in my case comes from 90s tradition of buying all manner of pirated software on the way home from school. "today i'll learn 3ds max and tomorrow autocad"
cazalla: pete_dushenski, with added monthly subscription!
pete_dushenski: fuck stupid americans and their monthly everything payments
mircea_popescu: phf and there's nothing wrong with the process per se, as a distraction. but you have to admit the only way it was an acceptable behaviour when you were 16 was because YOU ALSO WENT OT SCHOOL.
pete_dushenski: "why own x when you can make payments for the rest of your life!" (tm)
mircea_popescu: had you just quit school to focus on your learning 3dmax full time like the retarded us kids, your dad'd have had your hide.
phf: quitting school? that's a paddling
☟︎ pete_dushenski: what happened to old grandmas and grandpas who saved up and bought houses, cars, etc. ALL CASH
mircea_popescu: phf i don't mean cutting class. i mean quitting. permanently.
pete_dushenski: right, finance your own future and that of your children = progress
mircea_popescu: principal calls parents over, ifnorms them that you told him you intend to quit school and he agrees, and you're henceforth expelled from all schools forever.
cazalla: gotta go through bezzlar wringer of naughty boy schools, career counselling and other make work positions before principal gets the parents in the office mircea_popescu ,least that was my experience
pete_dushenski: this failing to compute really is through and through with usians, right from basic algebra up to software, hardware, the whole gammut, etfc.
phf: i've cut classes plenty, but i don't think i've ever even contemplated quitting school, what am i going to do, sell lavash? it was kind of understood that people who were pushed out (never nobody quit because they wanted to) were losers
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah pretty much, could've left in 1997 but they managed to stretch it out to 1999
mircea_popescu: well yeah. so that fixed formal pillar is WHAT ALLOWED benefit in the pursuit of "learning 3dmax"
mircea_popescu: cazalla note tho, that the school he went to, and the school you went to, were very different beasts. i suspect you'd have loved his.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, perhaps, mine was a shitty public school, missus was exclusive private and seems to be that is just another type of bezzle (all students must go to uni to get loaded up on debt type thing)
shinohai drinks a toast to pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: cazalla from what i gather he went to russian public school in the 80s, which im sure is very close to romanian public school in the 80s, which has absolutely zero to do with anything you might call school in any perspective.
mircea_popescu: academically, it would be ivy league college. sexually, it would be u of arizona during spring break. socially it would be prison, except with regards to the adults it would be the 1960s paris uprising.
trinque: I went to a "magnet school" in TX, was bored out of my mind except for various acts of resistance through adolescence
mircea_popescu: out of these much too disparate elements i scarcely see how one who no fue ya could construct something whole in his head.
phf: there's no equivalent in u.s., i've not seen anything remotely similar yet anyway. particularly those dedicated "nerd schools"
mircea_popescu: trinque throughout my hs i was what you'd call a honors student with ~1/3 attendance.
trinque: I was barely mentally present, near-perfect marks and a free ride into college
trinque: which was worth precisely zilch
trinque: I was only permitted this in senior year, and unofficially
phf: i had fake medical scripts..
trinque: we got into some fun of that nature in the last two years. one can learn a lot about computers bored as hell in TX public school, if he's awake
mircea_popescu: but the real difficulty, is explaining the actual reality to people who already have been suplied a falsificating convention to misinterpret it with. like the case above discussed with the purpose of the railcar pushing face.
mircea_popescu: for instance : a guy i've recently talked to again after many years, who is now a reasonably respected thinker in his field,
mircea_popescu: brought an airgun to school, and shot a nutsized hole in the blackboard.
mircea_popescu: a) nobody cared and b) this really was more in line with "chemistry experiment" than whatever orc derpage goes on in us ghetto.
trinque: not a terrorist charge eh?
cazalla: i brought a screwdriver in the early 90s.. confiscated, parents called
trinque: my friend was busted for precisely that, some kind of "cyber terrorism" for sending a joke threat email with the headers changed to look like it came from faculty
cazalla: flogged.. took a while for me to figure out my father did that not for anything related to taking the screwdriver to school
mircea_popescu: i suppose the only people in a similar position are the ex terrorist israelis.
mircea_popescu: yeah, cause the teacher was this "placeholder enemy" of sorts. like cats play with the nail sharpening pole.
mircea_popescu: fine and quite healthy for adolescent boys to have planned out how to massacre the lot of them.
cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days
☟︎ trinque: mircea_popescu: that was the thing criminalized at my public school, certainly
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mircea_popescu: trinque well yeah, because the usg has figured that hey, we don't keep males for the herds of goats, sheep, cattle etc except maybe 1:100. with modern insemination techniques more like 1:500. why should we keep so many males in human herd ?
mircea_popescu: they can either transsexualize or perish, whatevs. how's the soy crops ?
kakobrekla: >throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance < o yeah i did that too. only in elementary.
trinque: "schools... out... forever"
phf: kakobrekla: i did that grade 9 i think, which was apparently not age appropriate
mircea_popescu: ah such great country names for a book these'd be. checkoslavia. yugoslovakia. austrogermany.
phf: but the whole punishment lasted maybe half hour! "the incident has been noted in your personal file", not even parents called
mircea_popescu: phf regarding it with adult eyes... it is kinda not age appropriate neh ?
trinque: I once found a trivial flaw in a java applet some idiot put together for a "mock 2004 presidential election"
cazalla: i regret that high school was not similar to this place.. come each day because i want to as do other students as do other teachers, actually learn something type of thing
trinque: thing supposedly prevented double voting in the UI but just posted
http integers somewhere
trinque: so I showed people how to do that, ended up kerry was some absurdly high number, bush was negative same
trinque: they wanted to expel me for that one
cazalla: some students earn A's while others can only earn C's type of thing we have here, whereas in public high school - all must strive to earn A's while none actually can
trinque: mircea_popescu: because hacker. and spreading hacking!
trinque: the "tech head of whatever" emailed the angry bureaucrat and explained that it was not even hacking
mircea_popescu: cazalla the irony being that once that's on the ground, the actual ideal the progres derp about is readily realised.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:07:41; asciilifeform: what great cultural products ought i look for from the sellers of crack ?
phf: i remember that we were actually taught how to properly treat teachers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcZgoOyalaI amusingly i'd never seen that short on tv, it would always play during "entertainment break" when they would send us to a school movie hall to watch random stuff
phf: the title is "40 devils and one green fly"
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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:17:58; asciilifeform: then they lost a war and got culturally annihilated and enslaved by the anglos.
mircea_popescu: suffice it to say your interpretation of history is far from uncontroversial.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:20:42; asciilifeform: trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do'
trinque: I'm going with PSU professors receiving LGBBQT sensitivity training.
phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 19:09:30; asciilifeform: i, for instance, can't think about any deep problem when in a place where human speech is happening, or bodies are in motion.
mircea_popescu: i've dealt out reprimands for moving at the wrong time etc.
mircea_popescu: phf so it is. i find it an excellent picture because it so drastically sets him apart.
cazalla: check out asian beaker in the middle
mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but anyway, a better question, who's the hottie in the gray shirt.
mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not only did he order
☟︎ mircea_popescu: her to write to her friends and family and insist that they not visit her, he also demanded that she never leave the house without permission. The exact reason for his possessiveness is not really clear considering that he was largely asexual throughout his lifetime. Still, his brutal treatment of Mary Way or why she allowed the abuse to continue seems impossible to understand even today."
mircea_popescu: "Friends were astonished that Mary allowed her house guest to control her. They were even more astonished when she showed them the contract that Heaviside had insisted she sign which, among other clauses stipulated that:
mircea_popescu: Mary Way agrees to wear warm woolen underclothing and keep herself warm in winter. Mary Way agrees never to go out without Oliver Heaviside's permission. Mary Way agrees never to give anything away without Oliver Heaviside's permission.
mircea_popescu: He did whatever he could to enforce the clauses of the contract, including taking away Mary's shoes to keep her from leaving the house without permission."
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pete_dushenski: cazalla: any idea why the footnote brackets after "wrecking" show up on the preview of that last qntra article but not on the full page ?
cazalla: lemme check, might need a space or something
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Never thought I'd see my hometown mentioned on #b-a..
pete_dushenski: "“Black Twitter” may be infamous for scorning white women like Rachel Dolezal who think they are black, but it has also pioneered the idea of hashtag activism, such as #SayHerName, which highlighted the invisibility of black women in discussions of police violence in black communities, or #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, with its allusion to tensions between black and white feminists, to offer but two examples."
cazalla: pete_dushenski, is that right now?
pete_dushenski: is the word 'pioneer' really so ambigious that michael eric dyson honestly beleebs it applies to 'black twitter's hashtag activism' ?
williamdunne: Newton Abbot has 12 people, and I'm one of them
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pete_dushenski: "a cohort of what I would like to call the “black digital intelligentsia” has emerged. They wrestle with ideas, stake out political territory, and lead, very much in the same way that my generation did, only without needing, or necessarily wanting, a home in the Ivy League—and by making their name online."
cazalla: pete_dushenski, your article i mean
pete_dushenski: cazalla: aha. that. yes, looks to be fixed from my end. thx!
pete_dushenski: next time : specify 'that' and s/right/correct and i won't be so cofuzed