BingoBoingo: If someone proposes and adequately funds a bet on a nominee I suppose there would be no reason not to open it.
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trinque: this "powder keg of anger" trend in the news causes me to anticipate the criminalization *of* anger.
☟︎ mats: >With that in mind, today's announcement is concerned with the future availability of our stable series of patches. We decided that it is unfair to our sponsors that the above mentioned unlawful players can get away with their activity. Therefore, two weeks from now, we will cease the public dissemination of the stable series and will make it available to
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trinque: kinda points to the idiocy of talking about software in terms of "rights" and "fair" too
trinque: what's the cost of a secure(-ish) operating system? nobody knows
trinque: rather, the price, I mean.
trinque: actually, 200/mo isn't bad at all
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trinque: I take it back. They're doing exactly what they should.
trinque: if oddly indirect compared to just buying software
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trinque: I guess Trump's the anointed one.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 00:30:44; mats: >With that in mind, today's announcement is concerned with the future availability of our stable series of patches. We decided that it is unfair to our sponsors that the above mentioned unlawful players can get away with their activity. Therefore, two weeks from now, we will cease the public dissemination of the stable series and will make it available to
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 18:18:27; asciilifeform: l of this "code sharing" is an economic surplus phenomenon. It works only when none of the people involved in it are in any form of need. As soon as the need arises, a lot of people discover that it has cost them real money to work for the community and they reap very little benefit from it, because they are sharing value-less services and getting value out of something that people take for granted
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You know soon we will get to find out Preet's feelings or lack thereof for Clitler
trinque: they have plenty of time to destroy her yet.
mats: i predicted both of these responses by asciilifeform
mats: where do i collect my winnings
BingoBoingo: Biden might though legitimately want to retire to the country and spend his days waxing his pontiac firebird
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assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 00:28:14; trinque: this "powder keg of anger" trend in the news causes me to anticipate the criminalization *of* anger.
trinque: aounds exactly like what I have in mind
mats: for fans of anime, 'psycho pass' is kind of a ghost in the shell, minority report take on the 'normality meter'
trinque: citizens with tendencies toward anger shall be required to wear a state-issued bracelet at all times, lest they become a danger to themselves and others.
mats: i recommend watching it, its quite good
trinque: mats: neat, I'll check both out.
mats: 'ghost in the shell' is about a world where 'cyberization', that is, replacement of virtually every organ except the brain, becomes affordable to some folks
mats: the protagonist is a supah-hackah woman who was in an accident early in life and doesn't remember what its like to have a physical body
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mats: 'psycho pass' is about a japan where devices that can measure mental health are on every street corner, managed by an entity known as the 'sybil system' and enforced by public security. the focus of the story is a public security officer
phf: i wish psycho pass didn't have such obvious animu art style, gives me unpleasant flashback to college
mats: did the animu touch you in a bad place
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trinque: I rather enjoy it when done well, not that I've seen that many.
phf: yeah, the whole "nerd culture" bait and switch. i watched some anime growing up, mostly because cyberpunk, ghost in the shell, armitage, akira, so when moved here was somehow was also expected to enjoy shit like evangelion or what's that one with rubber guy
phf: "hey, i see you have heard of movies, we also like movies you should watch movies with us"
mats: re: grsec post, apparently the offending corporation is Intel
BingoBoingo: Linux is a buzzword, why wouldn't Intel try to exert control over it
assbot: Looks like the product in question is Wind River Linux, a product of a subsidiar... | Hacker News ... (
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phf: asciilifeform: it's a cargo cult. my understanding is that japanese use manga as illustrated prose. situation with japanese culture in u.s. american u.s. culture around anime/manga is essentially "let's read furniture assembly manuals, then read some yukio mishima, then watch cellphone instructional video for 12 yr/old girls, because superior culture of japan!"
mircea_popescu: <mats> did the animu touch you in a bad place << bwahaha
BingoBoingo: Nope, doesn't carry enough weight, also requires standing
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient segway story from the early days of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)"
mircea_popescu: you probably read the fucking eskimo book of the dead, on occasion.
mats: curiously, INTC took a ~10% dive in the two weeks following the publication of 'Intel Subsidiary Agrees to 750k Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports'
mats: 750k shouldn't even sting. in fact, i'd think their stock _would go up_ following the closure of the matter and such a light settlement
mircea_popescu: the soviets did outright steal from the various coops, entreprises scl towards the end
BingoBoingo too the asocial introduction to BTC route as well
trinque: I found out about bitcoin when a friend of mine mentioned he'd lost 136 on an encrypted hard drive for which he lost the keys.
trinque: no, idiot reformatted it and put music or movies on it if I recall.
kakobrekla: i also know a guy who lost bout that much on a week old ssd - controller dead
trinque: that one sounds way more salvageable
kakobrekla: if you think the trick with replacing the controller with another from same model will work - it will not.
kakobrekla: well, not in 2012 or whenever it happened.
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mircea_popescu: they dumped it, after which they fixed two typos in five weeks.
BingoBoingo: Github reportedly mitigated that quickly this time. Could be fresh DDoS or maybe BGP shennanigans
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mircea_popescu: so i'm comissioning a commemorative drawing of the defeat of the xt,
mircea_popescu: obviously he'd be in there. suggest whom i might have overlooked.
BingoBoingo: No, I'm more concerned with suggesting the stingray getting its rape on.
BingoBoingo: Ver barred entry in much the way I am barred exit (for nao)
mircea_popescu: fu8cking ridiculous, no actual names in favour to be found.
BingoBoingo: There's also the letter of 8 companies sharing a bunch of VC's who wrote about supporting XT without saying XT
BingoBoingo: Lotta atroturf, few actual names I've cared to remember beyond the two An heroes for XT's cause
BingoBoingo: I mean there's unknown reddit derps including a few who shilled for mining scams before.
BingoBoingo: Really gotta go to fucks like Ver to get recognizable names
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BingoBoingo: "addr" : "128.8.124.7:34971" << Another "subver" : "/UMD-Coinscope:0.0/"
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bekusoraru: my segway does 120 vert. i fucked the landing, now i am hurt.
BingoBoingo: They are definitely a bug satoshi missed when he wrote up mining attached nodes.
mircea_popescu: eh, get out of here. you should have been here earlier, back when someone being in btc was 50-50 they're pedos too.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I went back and read the "don't run bitcoin on a VPS because you will get bounced for CPU usage"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> pierce something-or-other << Also the Wagner guy
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah i suspect not what he was expecting
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BingoBoingo knows why not airbox vacuum, but wonders why was never marketed
BingoBoingo: ^ Also asciilifeform looks like one of your filipinos
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assbot: Logged on 26-08-2015 20:05:56; trinque: squeezed off 3-4 at <10ft? target runs away?
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punkman: the first one was the best
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mircea_popescu: assbot: New bitcoin.com design makes it look like cheap scam <<< because.... it .... is .
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought bitcoin.com was not a cheap scam at any point.
mircea_popescu: "This will quickly change if you are one of us." << heh, check it out, dude wants slaves an' doesn't even know it. because a) slavery is not a thing in the us, right, the idea just came to him out of nowhere, not out of watching the sv muppets and making the next teeeny tinsy incremental stop and b) it's a really fucking great idea to go slave for a dude that doesn't even know that's what it is. 2nd best after going fo
mircea_popescu: r a ride with some guy who doesn't know that's what you call it when you "push pedals in the car and stuff". what could possibly go wrong, other than everything (and you'll get blamed for it).
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fluffypony: yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 17:26:07; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the chinese are actually fucktarded enough to allow usg to not get its wish but nevertheless move the window in not getting it, we'll probably not only de-thread it but rewrite the whole sheband, and with a better pow algo at that.
thestringpuller: Not getting anally expanded at all is the ideal solution. Although it reminds me of the South Park game where you have to give Randy a fake abortion in which you abort one of his turds as to prove you are a doctor and he is a lady getting an abortion. Don't think this relevant...but you know.
kakobrekla: >BTCChina will vote for a 2MB limit < afaik bitfury said same
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kakobrekla: ofc there that difference of talking the path and walking the path.
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punkman: so this morning I call the closest laptop repair shop off the yellow pages, tell the guy I need so-and-so repaired and X,Y,Z removed. "you should come by so I can take a look at it", "I can come by this afternoon, will you have time to work on it while I'm there?" "yes".
punkman: I went, agreed to price that was approaching cost of laptop, then he passes me a fucking form to fill out. "I'm not leaving the machine here, I have to be present" "oh never mind then, I can't help you".
punkman: from the business in Luxor department.
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mats: ascii_field: have you ever actually looked at grsec mitigations?
assbot: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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mats: it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
☟︎ mats: whos on that? mthreat?
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mats: anyway... [2015-04-02 16:59:20] <asciilifeform> mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. << UDEREF is about exploitation, not constraining the kernel
mats: did quite a bit of reading today into various linux mitigations and it seems you didn't get that selinux/grsec RBAC are fundamentally about constraining usermode
ascii_field: mats: i know what they are nominally about, yes
mats: i'd also like to know what mitigations you think increase attack surface
ascii_field: mats: that's easy: any and all of them which add complexity
ascii_field: that is, add lines of code, or add effort necessary to understand per-line
mats: does this exclude all of the compile time stuff?
ascii_field: everything that i might ever need to be exposed to to understand the whole of the system.
ascii_field: and you don't get to say that i should not wish to do this.
ascii_field: and by 'understand' i mean - if necessary - to recreate from piles of atoms sorted by mendeleev table position.
mats: so: chroot, perf, ptrace hardening? increases complexity in your opinion?
mats: saying complexity increases to attack surface is a simplification at best and misleading at worst
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mats: complexity increases attack surface*
ascii_field: mats: what's more, if this isn't immediately obvious, your concept of 'attack surface' is broken.
mats: it is deceptively obvious.
mats: there is a quantitative approach that can be taken, lets say:
mats: the whole of the kernel's static call graph, and all possible entry points an attacker can utilize
mats: and then there's the much less measurable thing i presume you're talking about, which is those leaks that result from 'fits in head'
mats: or rather, an inability to
ascii_field: how many bits of info it would take to teach a martian to build a copy of the machine.
ascii_field: (assuming he knows of semiconduction and that's more or less it)
mats: you make this so difficult
☟︎ mats: why not suggest something that can actually be modeled
ascii_field: why should i let you set the ground rules ? i understand how transistor works, how vlsi is carried out; how to build cpu. why should i accept the idiocy soup as the bedrock abstraction ?
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mats: because the way i see it, the thing that you describe maintains fluid form precisely to resist any kind of meaningful description
ascii_field: mats: i have often named historical examples of 'fits in head.' but you choose to ignore them. why ?
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mats: i'm bowled over by the thought that you believe that e.g. the 'msdos' security model is a good idea
ascii_field: mats: don't conflate 'msdos complexity' for 'msdos security model'
ascii_field: not to mention that 'msdos security' - if the thing is used as prescribed, single-task, non-networked apparatus - is very hard to beat.
mats: despite living in a world where there are many computers to a person, folks still understandably want to be able to run more than a single application per computer
mats: now who is conflating what
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ascii_field: mats: picture if you had the unenviable task of teaching africans not to drink their own shit. now imagine you show up at the village and say, 'one must dig latrine pit on other side of the village from the well'. and they answer,
ascii_field: 'folks still understandably want to drink water wherever they find it, and not have to walk far to the shitter'
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mats: i am mindfucked by your argumentation and have nothing left to share
mats: this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
☟︎ ascii_field: mats: it is possible to build computer which ~genuinely~ isolates processes. just like it is possible to build indoor plumbing which reliably separates shitwater and drinking water.
ascii_field: it is of course much easier to drink shit while mumbling mitigat^H^H^Hincantations to the gods
BingoBoingo: Versaille was a regression from do not shit in residence without removing shit.
trinque: speaking as a fool, this seems like two gentlemen talking entirely at crossways. on the one hand, what do I do with all these monstrous linux machines I'm already using? (perhaps tape, if you have nothing else) and on the other hand, what would I build to replace the whole mess
trinque: but isn't that right there in the word "mitigation"
trinque: obviously rendering the thing mitigated impossible is better.
ascii_field: trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
☟︎ ascii_field: and this is discussed in mircea_popescu's 'airgap' article.
trinque: I can see that point; we spoke of the human fuel gauge scenario recently
trinque: or the person sitting with a serial terminal allowing or denying messages enter/exit the system
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thestringpuller: "Processing triggers for systemd" << i throw up when I see this at work
thestringpuller: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Congratulations on the spawn! :D
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Major props on the cloning effort
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski congrats, boss
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assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 17:26:30; mats: it seems log.b-a is dropping stuff, i can't find things from e.g. 02APR2015
kakobrekla: as for the search, i know of at least one reasons that it should be resynced fully
moonpunter: what is assbot looking for, if i manage my keys with enigmail?
moonpunter: i just uploaded it there a few minutes ago. probably have to wait a bit.
mircea_popescu: and jesus god trilema comments are something else. at the same time there's a woman telling me how incredibly right i was, and some derp telling me how incredibly wrong ~i'm going to be~. pointless and witless on parade, neverending, eternal.
mircea_popescu: ok, that inadiquet thing rules. "i need feminism because i am stupid and white. if i were black i'd need rakim on a horse."
moonpunter: i find it ironic that mike hearn is taking issue with people using the word "dictators" although he was originally the one who suggested that gavin be a benevolent dictator
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 14:29:09; fluffypony: yeah, but BIP 100 is still the lesser of two evils
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that the usg is so very fucking convinced all the bs stuff it's powered by works in bitcoin too
mircea_popescu: because "everywhere is here!!11" and so yeah, totally, astro turfing, "the controversy", "moving the window" and whatnot.
moonpunter: transparency favors no authority but legitimate authority
mircea_popescu: meanwhile bitcoin is still not for the poor, they can dance until they fall over for all the good it's gonna do.
mircea_popescu: and THIS point MUST be actually verified in practice. and not only once, either.
cazalla: moonpunter, same paul madore that writes for cryptocoinsnews?
mircea_popescu: moonpunter mike is too young to know exactly what is the fate of being in the us army. how you get bombed silly from all directions while trying to follow nonsensical directives.
moonpunter: "overwhelming force" doctrine made us feel more like cops on patrol than soldiers saving innocents.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 16:06:31; punkman: from the business in Luxor department.
mircea_popescu: no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops
mircea_popescu: but hey, the closed box folks managed to wrest an entire business space away from the user with the shitty screws./
mircea_popescu: moonpunter ask an individual that participated. seven days a week consisted of bad leadership and getting pounded.
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mircea_popescu: mats / ascii_field the dispute you're engaged in looks to me like a failure to agree upon terminology. alf thinks in terms of "competent user". mitigation as generally discussed thinks in term of "usg-spawned monkey which was allowed at a keyboard for no conceivable reason". in this later case, hotgluing the usb hole is a valid mitigation technique.
mircea_popescu: and in fact no mitigation thingee out there does anything else.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 17:49:32; mats: you make this so difficult
punkman: mircea_popescu: no repair shop does anything other than what you normally do with desktops << I couldn't readily repair this one at home
mircea_popescu: this is what they do you realise, order replacement parts ?
mircea_popescu: nobody's sitting there with an amp meter and a soldering iron.
kakobrekla: which usually cost more than the lappy itself
moonpunter: i just think he's ridiculous to take offense to people using a term he himself introduced. anyone with half a brain would never use a term like that and expect an intelligent group to not dissect and then turn it around on them.
mircea_popescu: i suspect many laptops are sold in the manner of printers. except you pay for "service" instead of "cartridges"
punkman: plenty of folks do soldering
mircea_popescu: moonpunter that part for sure. then again his target aren't intelligent people, nor any people likely to try and think the matter through independently.
mircea_popescu: but i'm more curious about how you view the vietnam thing in your own experience.
moonpunter: the computer store up the block charged less for a 25 foot cable than to simply put the adapter on for me. annoying. came home and immediately bought a $8 tool off ebay.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 18:18:04; mats: this represents such a regression in so many ways i am unable to count them
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 18:23:50; ascii_field: trinque: specifically concerning process separation - the thing to do with existing machines is - 1 per task.
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mats: i suppose we should define terminology, then: what does it mean for something to be 'single-task'? what abstraction level is non-arbitrary (or appropriate)?
mats: shall we boot up a machine for every x server of every gui-level application we wish to run, because there is no such thing yet as gui-level isolation?
mircea_popescu:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious to anyone thinking
☟︎ mircea_popescu: , it was certainly entirely obscure to the target. one point however was not : three people, two beds. so did they assume the immature human naturally sleeps in bed with her father or mother ? which of those two individuals aren't really separate in the thoughts of the intended viewer ?
mircea_popescu: mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
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mats: how does anybody meaningfully build on e.g. 'msdos' when it has only one operating mode, is purposed for a 'single-task', and doesn't blow up when some level of the abstraction (that by any reasonable person could be reasoned as multi-task if it is to do anything useful, e.g, graphics, networking, file system access!!1) has a bug in it?
mircea_popescu: networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you could in principle then just have a dedicated process for single task networking.
mircea_popescu: in short : contrary to what peoiple think, there is no actual scope for decisionmaking in systems design.
mats: systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult
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assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 20:37:00; mircea_popescu: mats i don't see a way to implement his scheme as anything but running dozens of machines to replace my desktop. which, in fairness, was one of the proposed approaches back in the 70s.
ascii_field: and i'm not speaking of junkyard iron, either, but brand-new
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 20:35:43; mircea_popescu:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rvg8ruhzlh5Q7AHg9o1_1280.jpg << all sorts of interesting assumptions in there, such as "the toiletries don't matter because we don't like to think about them, being puritans" ; or "even plants need multiple times their mass in nutrients over extended periods, but you'll fit your stuff in ONE cupboard alright". this all doiesn't much interest me, because while obvious
mircea_popescu: ascii_field im not too keep to manage a larger count of items.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and that's how american houses got those toilet/washroom combos.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how much shit is produced in six weeks by a group of three people ? not counting the water it flushes with, just the shit.
mircea_popescu: and no. just look at all the "Whitegoods" and the proliferation thereof. usians love item count like they love their absent virility.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is no deep secret that the 'shelter industry' was largely part cargo-cult, part 'i wanna build a wine cellar without wife bitching'
mircea_popescu: sure. but specifically what interests me there is, which two sleep in the same cot.
ascii_field: so there is the imaginary reality of the sales pitch, but a separate physical reality of what these were used for.
ascii_field: nobody sleeps in the fucking cot. the husband, if he's lucky, bangs secretary in that cot.
ascii_field: let's also put a flying unicorn in the picture.
ascii_field: they put equally magical 'non-shitting princess'
mircea_popescu: the girl (i think it's a girl ?) setting the table does not shit ? why's she get a plate then ?
mircea_popescu: (and how convenient she's female - i'd like to see someone keep a 19yo guy pinned down with the old folks for six weeks.)
mircea_popescu: (and yet he should be - in practical terms a population that spends x on sheltering women and x on sheltering men will fare ~35% worse than a population that just spends 2x on sheltering men. because women are for many reasos much much harider)
mircea_popescu: (those reasons being chiefly that woman comes with fully formed ovules pre-packaged. an ovary is essentially a bunch of candy-wrapped m&ms, and her period consists of one of those wrappers being torn. whereas a male comes with a sperm CREATION mechanism. so if the male is damaged, the male is out. if the female is damaged she'll just ovulate a different skittle.)
mircea_popescu: and if you think about it for a moment, it should be apparent why any sort of an alternative scheme wouldn't even work. given that yes, radiation is a fact of cosmos.
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ascii_field: it took more than one electrocuted drunk to drive the point home
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ascii_field: (for added lulz, proper insulation was not yet discovered, cloth and tar were sop)
mircea_popescu: tar was still used for insulation in 4.5V batteries when i was a kid. and the cells were paper wrapped.
☟︎ ascii_field: nonshitting princess is on left hand of this photo.
mircea_popescu: (do not click the above if you have any reason to suspect the glass in your monitor is weak)
trinque: denial's as old as history
mircea_popescu: that's exactly the woman's problem, you know, how to not get fucked. seriously.
trinque: how dare anyone suggest otherwise, in fact.
trinque: well for different reasons!
mircea_popescu: she holds her own just fine, and she's on fucking stilts and backed against a wall.
trinque now notices the differences in posture
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no way im reading that nightmare in prose.
BingoBoingo: That's fair' I didn't even read the whole thing either
mircea_popescu: trinque which is why the man is humble, and squinting. he sees what you see and wonders how to go about it.
mircea_popescu: this is also ~why~ you put young women on the fucking stilts and back them against the wall.
mircea_popescu: and obviously, why the fat stupoid failures that protest lost before the game even begun.
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 20:11:36; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253407 << you blessfully ignore the part where THEY CAN BARELY AFFORD A CHAIR. you understand this, do you ? the schmucks that are "ceo"s and whatnot, can barely afford their own breakfast ? the reason airbnb HAS TO exist is because if they can't sleep on each other's bike rags they can't "go to conferences" and prop up the whole word cloud ?
mircea_popescu: the usa you live in, much like the argentina i live in, is wholly made up of people who buy the fucking yearl agendas on time.
trinque: mircea_popescu: hm, yeah. the advantage of being able to drop a jaw by merely existing?
mircea_popescu: what shell out? how many usians do you know that EVER owed 3k free and clear, in their hands ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> ah, then I don't follow << They "shell out" for macbooks the same way hamplanets do for "king ranch" credit
trinque: streams are crossed; I was talking about the hot lady on the film set.
trinque: I am well aquainted with the fake CEOs of the fake software industry, haha
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moonpunter: still saying not valid, but as you can see in that link, i've uploaded the key...
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BingoBoingo: A few folks though fall into lots of holes
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mircea_popescu: on the topic of falling into holes, the ability to back up the shit one comes up with being like the #1 requirement of manhood.
moonpunter: !rate mircea_popescu +1 [crypto wizard]
mircea_popescu: wow, i thought the k-hole was some sort of play on r/K selection
moonpunter: followed Furthur for awhile a few years ago, before i got married
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: afternoon. goes okay, yourself?
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: hey there going alright thx. just gettin home from the work
ag3nt_zer0: you know, i am thankful to have the chance to whisper some renegade think-for-yourselfisms into the impressionable ears of kids, through music nonetheless, but dude it doesn't take long in these classrooms to realize how fucked this country is by virtue of how undisciplined/spoiled rotten these kids are - relative to the soberness of student bodies in say china or india...
ag3nt_zer0: this fucking kid yesterday: I have him count sing this simple 4-beat card - he does a pretty good job which I greet, perhaps shameful in restrospect, with enthusiasm... and then i say, "the only thing I would suggest could be better is holding the beats all the way through"
trinque googles trilema anal child, is shocked to find that every result lacks the word trilema
trinque: well not shocked, but you know.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: when the food thing is empty, you scream
thestringpuller: the spoiled phenomenon is a matter of circumstance in my opinion
trinque: when you have to shit, you just shit through the bottom of the cage
thestringpuller: i know plenty of parents who came from the "the hood" and spoil their children now that they are well off
trinque: oh and most importantly, if no one pays attention to you, you scream louder still
trinque: not being paid attention to constantly is the most horrible thing that can happen to a person!
ag3nt_zer0: and all the admins running around alerting me to the endless list of "allergies" and sensitivity and "spectrum" issues that the little shits with their sick mothers dream up in the organic med aisle at whole foods
thestringpuller: and this cant be a localized phenomenon in time and space there should be spoiled children throughout history and in many different places
trinque: sure, there were spoiled children as there were turds throughout time
trinque: what's done with them is the question
ag3nt_zer0: I hear in India that once a student is asked to leave a school... thats it, forever.
ag3nt_zer0: and I think i mentioned it earlier about the "positive discipline" plan these pussies follow... no raising of voice, no calling out kids on the spot, in other words all things that pput them in their place and establish that heirarchy are now "abusive" and outmoded because tradition = dumb - or whatever
trinque: a dead body goes through all sorts of stages of rot, none of them reversible
ag3nt_zer0: its really just the living reflection of their ugly-minded parents
gernika: I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system? Perhaps to make it work it actually is necessary to hit them and yell at them, but should it be made to work?
ag3nt_zer0: depnds on if the teacher has anything of value to pass on i suppose
ag3nt_zer0: so , no, it shouldnt be made to work and yes it makes sense thatr the kids are fucking retarded
gernika: I think I asked the wrong question actually - but I'm not sure how to put it in terms of causes instead of purposes.
protn: folks do u trade here?
protn: btc and or shares, indexes
mircea_popescu: <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D
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mircea_popescu: <gernika> I wonder what is the sane mode of behavior for a child stuck in the public school system? << what the black kids do. fuck all the girls in class by the age they're 14, and whether they want to or not.
gernika: mircea_popescu I suppose that's one thing you couldn't do in a private all boys boarding school as opposed to a public school.
mircea_popescu: the all boys/all girls thing is beyond retarded anyway.
kakobrekla: I have a friend that made like 120 BTC because he could buy really cheap Bitcoins during a past flashcrash. From those 120, he only got 20 out. Bitfinex told him: sorry there was a trading engine problem. You never really bought 120 Bitcoins.
kakobrekla: anyway, losses suck it up, winning trading engine issue
mircea_popescu: it's quite obvious they won't pay the >10mn they owe on perfectly good claims to various users.
mircea_popescu: this because the usg is a great expert at making claims and putting forth pretense, but can't generally pay a cup of coffee if it comes to it.
mircea_popescu recalls the lulzy instance when "big deal" silicon valley firm wanted to talk but a) principals "didn't have the time" to come visit and b) they really didn't see "why i'd need" three first class tickets + hotel of "pick from this list" + the rest of the rider.
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gernika: They were probably shocked you weren
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assbot: Logged on 27-08-2015 20:42:00; mircea_popescu: networking is chiefly multitasking because of the way it's implemented. but even in systems built to mt, there's a dedicated box added outside.