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ben_vulpes: here's a lolbow, emerge-webrsync barfs with a segfault on a nomultilib stage3 with "Fatal Python error: Failed to open /dev/urandom \n Segmentation fault"
ben_vulpes: looks to be some python strange, using an older stage3 gives similar errors until i set the python profile to 2.7 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: do you have unapproved random in the box, citizen ?
ben_vulpes: what do i look like, some sort of terrorist
mircea_popescu: actually...
ben_vulpes: you don't say!
ben_vulpes: with the old stage3, emerge-webrsync downloads what it wants (i think), but then barfs at the end with "Failed to validate a sane /dev ☟︎
ben_vulpes: '/dev/null/' is not a device file
ben_vulpes: o.O
mircea_popescu: how the fuck not ?!
mircea_popescu: that is EXACTLY what it is.
ben_vulpes: i'm doing this inside a chroot, so i think maybe something isn't mounted correctly? i've tried it both the way that mod6 suggested to me (-o bind /dev $chroot/dev) and the way the gentoo installation handbook says (mount --rbind /dev dev/)
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel are you going to say something or just keep opening and closing the browser tab
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: Battery died
gabriel_laddel: Consider https://www.amazon.com/CISNO-Digital-Microscope-Endoscope-Magnifier/dp/B075H634MP/ref=sr_1_5 ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: 1000x magnification seems unrealistic - that being said: if I crush some product, take hundreds of images of each sample & use them as input into a neural network along with a 1-10 (bunk-absolute fire) rating y'think it'll get trained to recognize the real deal? ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: Anyone made use of these digital usb microscopes in any context & have thoughts?
ben_vulpes: aah batteries
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: can you even identify real meth optically?
gabriel_laddel: Humans cannot. N-ISO can co-crystalize along with it. But a NN? Idk ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nope.
ben_vulpes: why not just get an assay kit?
gabriel_laddel: I'm curious about the utility of microscopes. Don't really care about meth purity too much.
mircea_popescu: currently people are effectually using nn for speeding up sample counts where mistakes are cheap
mircea_popescu: ie robotized lab assays
mircea_popescu: but we're talking cells here, or protein-stains.
trinque: this is gonna be a rock bottom story for the ages.
mircea_popescu: trinque you're just being negative, people solve really difficult problems when they also strap a ticking timebomb to their ass all the time
mircea_popescu: in the movies.
gabriel_laddel: Wait a minute. Pasteur separated racemates by hand -- so I should at least be able to tell "biker crank" (racemic meth) from "crystal" (d-meth)
mircea_popescu: alternatively, marie c glowed in the dark.
mircea_popescu: so you should be able to either filter meth by a succession of rapid wrist swipes or else shoot lasers out of your eyes.
gabriel_laddel: #! the people in real life are the people from movies not the people from real life
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-28#1253912 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-28 01:24 mircea_popescu: the people in life are people from movies,
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: i take it back, apparently teh meth works.
mircea_popescu: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
fromloper: hi everyone. I've heard that some people here are interested in Elbrus hardware, so I brought you this announcement: https://pp.userapi.com/c840421/v840421325/27721/jhAYzDMy5ms.jpg ☟︎
mircea_popescu: fromloper what's your relation to the item ? "something i found on the internet" ? or ?
mircea_popescu: !#s "ineum.ru"
a111: 0 results for "\"ineum.ru\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22ineum.ru%22
fromloper: basically that, I'm following Elbrus' PR
mircea_popescu: i c
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742991 << i had and threw that specific one, it is rubbish ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:24 gabriel_laddel: Consider https://www.amazon.com/CISNO-Digital-Microscope-Endoscope-Magnifier/dp/B075H634MP/ref=sr_1_5
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shoot 'em an email see if they can deliver ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean it doesn't do 1kx ?!?!
mircea_popescu: i though usb nullifies lens aberration through the power of unicode.
asciilifeform: it shows mostly led glare lol
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: forget lens even.
mircea_popescu: i am shocked.
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me ai isn't quite here yet and quantum computers not right around the corner, not to mention no 3d printed guns.
asciilifeform: even 500buxor microscope,was sad
mircea_popescu: only good high magn optic microscopes i ever saw were mirrored not lens.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1743016 << ftr that's 13.2k usd at current exchange rate. for a box that 1) is about same as 1k usd opteron 2) other than cpu, is made of exactly same stuff ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 01:37 fromloper: hi everyone. I've heard that some people here are interested in Elbrus hardware, so I brought you this announcement: https://pp.userapi.com/c840421/v840421325/27721/jhAYzDMy5ms.jpg
mircea_popescu: digital particuarly good fit too, because usual problem with mirrors is "your head won't fit in F". but a ccd will.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's talk prices after.
asciilifeform: after what ?
mircea_popescu: after the guys even fucking answer.
asciilifeform: also good
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742996 << gabriel_laddel ever heard of melting point ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:25 gabriel_laddel: Humans cannot. N-ISO can co-crystalize along with it. But a NN? Idk
asciilifeform: i dun consider it sin to run away from grade school. but consider opening a book
mircea_popescu: can you program a neural network to open books ?
asciilifeform: only after lsd
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: Melting poing can't tell ISO from meth. MSM & other cuts can be acetone washed out.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: most of yer impurity is not the laevo- isomer but intermediate cruft
asciilifeform: and i assume you already recrystallized ?
gabriel_laddel: acetone wash doesn't lose any weight
gabriel_laddel: anyways, I'm not worried about my own supply, just curious about microscopes is all
asciilifeform: get a refractometer instead
asciilifeform: unlike microscope it actually will do part of what you want. and costs almost nuffin.
gabriel_laddel: Spiffy! Thanks.
asciilifeform: and get from a big university's surplus warehouse. not from china.
asciilifeform: !~google abbe refractometer
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Abbe refractometer - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_refractometer>; Abbé refractometer: <http://www.refractometer.pl/Abbe-refractometer>; ATAGO U.S.A.,Inc. - Products / Abbe Refractometers - refractometers ...: <http://www.atago.net/USA/products_abbe.php>
asciilifeform: ^ subj.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742977 << having python > 2.7 is quite like having gcc5 around. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:08 ben_vulpes: looks to be some python strange, using an older stage3 gives similar errors until i set the python profile to 2.7
asciilifeform: it is nearly impossible to remove the tentacles
asciilifeform: and it makes sane gentoo a difficult proposition .
asciilifeform: don't keep python3 around, period.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742982 << this may be related to the insiduous poetterinization of udev ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:18 ben_vulpes: with the old stage3, emerge-webrsync downloads what it wants (i think), but then barfs at the end with "Failed to validate a sane /dev
asciilifeform: !#s udev
a111: 24 results for "udev", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=udev
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514410 << here and elsewhere. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 13:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514253 << it was eaten by systemd. there is a (last i saw, working) clean fork, 'eudev'. and it looks like phf explains further down in the l0gz.
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought i mentioned it in my gentoo recipe.
mircea_popescu: a, did the original poettering disappear btw ?
mircea_popescu: doing utterly 3rd tier "gnome asia summit", for the same money he could be entertaining in atlantic city.
asciilifeform: nfi
asciilifeform: but his 'work' is well-glued, with broken glass, more or less everywhere in post-2011 or so linuxdom
asciilifeform: !#s emacs dbus
a111: 27 results for "emacs dbus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=emacs%20dbus
asciilifeform: ^ for instance.
mircea_popescu: https://thenewstack.io/unix-greatest-inspiration-behind-systemd/ "Lennart Poettering is one of those few extremely prolific and brilliant engineers who have literally changed the design of Linux-based operating systems."
mircea_popescu: even the push pieces are 3rd hand
mircea_popescu: that scene with shannon doherty "are you guys even trying anymore ?!?!" comes to mind.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxCirclejerk/comments/7errt4/im_lennart_poettering_ama/ << not even reddit can be bothered to care.
mircea_popescu: (this, btw, is what reddit is like ON ITS OWN POWER, ie when conde nast isn't tripping up the fake account levers)
mircea_popescu: (re link, the worthy quote, for they too lazy to dig, being "Poettering, as usual, is working on his own solutions and not complaining about the problem. He is working on bringing service management to the next level. He wants to make it easy so users can sandbox system service without necessarily isolating them completely from the host-ware. No need to pretend that a system service is a set of processes completely independen
mircea_popescu: t from the host, which is what containers do. System services can still be part of the host and can still maybe see it but not necessarily access things." this'd then be the empire's gothic line. as the man observes himself, ""the concepts and logic behind it aren't really convincing".)
asciilifeform: u/faded_filth << lol
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: and in other much belated lulz, http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/blog/2016/12/the-shunning-of-the-trump-voter/ aka the winner of the trump butthurt competition
asciilifeform: 'And that party will be awesome. It will contain real people. It will have cheese dip. And premium gouda. And tasty Hostess treats. Yes, even Chocodiles. And people with actual souls. People with consciousness. From Socrates to Billy Ocean. The collective progress of Humankind. Of which you are no longer a member. Sorry, toad pimple. You forever vanquished your right to lay claim to the progression narrative of the human race.'
asciilifeform: delish.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: cheeze dip
mircea_popescu: if i mention how i had slave-labour-made fresh crannberies sauce as well as yogurt chimichurri for the lamb over thxgiving (which we don't even actually celebrate) i'm just being an asshole rite.
mircea_popescu: (yes, many people thought they voted for trump -- but some votes for trump actually mattered. this ain't teh ourdemocracy anymoar, bish!)
mircea_popescu: i suppose in fairness the socrates claim to progressive narrative is the best part though. poor socrates. LAST fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: ttps://kiwifarms.net/threads/psa-thanksgiving-is-not-for-black-people.36789/ << in other unexpected obviousness.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1743060 << i entirely agree, still working on making with which to crap down new root fsen without 2.7 and 5.* ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 01:55 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742977 << having python > 2.7 is quite like having gcc5 around.
ben_vulpes: without py > 2.7 i mean
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo shoot 'em an email see if they can deliver ? << The microscope folx or the Khemerica Rouge?
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Wait a minute. Pasteur separated racemates by hand -- so I should at least be able to tell "biker crank" (racemic meth) from "crystal" (d-meth) << Perhaps I can introduce you to little miss trainwreck so you can see how this ends
BingoBoingo: Ah, Elbrus, let me find an email
ben_vulpes: i can't read racemates without reading "race mates"
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: Email to Elbrus folk sent
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the russki 1990s era computor
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: The missive http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z0FaQ/?raw=true
lobbes: latest update from archiver front: I have managed to successfully bypass archive.is cloudflare js-challenge-bs. Ended up using a combination of phantomjs/casperjs scriptolade. Crude, but it worx.
lobbes: Next steps: 1) some turd polishing 2) move the irc-to-archive.is-to-zip process into 'live' environment 3) plan/build the payment-to-archives system
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
ben_vulpes just started recompiling everything in pursuit of an ada-capable workstation
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8200.0, vol: 9340.39423201 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8295.1, vol: 34331.04479026 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8208.8, vol: 2051.4324717 | Volume-weighted last average: 8271.80071719
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 496007 | Current Difficulty: 1.347001430558E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 497951 | Next Difficulty In: 1944 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/what-are-you-being-distracted-from/ << Trilema - What are you being distracted from ?
ben_vulpes: i have what appears to be a chroot with gcc 4.9 and py 2.7, it can happily boot x11 proggies from within the chroot which i take as a good sign but not a definitive greenlight; and now i'm mulling how best to make this chroot the root fs for the whole box. might mount my old root into the chroot, chroot in and mv that to a backup dir (but haven't reasoned through what happens when you mount a fs containing
ben_vulpes: the chroot into the chroot itself...), and then boot from a livecd to move the new root fs to the disk root
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if the mount contains itself, you can't cp -r, nao can you.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you gotta make a temp copy.
ben_vulpes: something like copy newroot to /, mount everything in / except the newroot copy into it, chroot into the copy, cp -r all of what was at the root of the old fs (except the new root copy) into a backup dir and then replace the contents of the root fs with the contents of the newroot copy?
ben_vulpes: in unrelated self-crits, orange county register runs a piece titled "the future of americas suburbs looks infinite!", with such gems as "...experts claiming that many suburban tracks (sic) were about to become 'the next slums'"
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 8684.99, vol: 11477.68611349 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 8715.0, vol: 43426.35976479 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 8694.6, vol: 2724.82138459 | Volume-weighted last average: 8708.05848379