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diana_coman: hm, brings the current failure to move off freenode (and still no
gossipd either) into focus really.
mircea_popescu: then the bootstrapping problem. "suppose you let the wot work it, make trilema be
gossipd, people can see the comments of people they talk to"
mp_en_viaje: making contradictory statements every other line is not called "answer" ; moreover don't strain yourself, there's unique
gossipd nodes awaiting and things.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, that'll be a sight to behold, the only
gossipd node.
BingoBoingo: And I am stuck between a rock and a hard place, between
Gossipd and Latecho's proposed BGP block, this time limited to the target addresses.
diana_coman: true; honestly, the only reasonable sync that I can see is literally bots talking to one another ie ...
gossipd, no?
mircea_popescu: so yeah. weird baked in. (
gossipd, obviously, will not have the problem, everyone'll hear "here's what you allededly said" from multiple sources)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, though "more reaearch needed", seems direct stepping stone to
gossipd after all.
mp_en_viaje: which rapidly collapses "lisp webserver" into
gossipd and all that.
mp_en_viaje: yes, i'm very much aware "asciilifeform would rather roll out
gossipd, trbi, sane comp irons, etc. ~with~ participation of mp_en_viaje" etc. the problem here is -- you will do no such thing. what you will do, instead, is reconfigure your own desk into some sort of shape you and you alone deem meaningful, and that's all. because it is not POSSIBLE, for the man who can't say either "i will do this" and then do it, nor "i said i would do this, but d
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 19:03 trinque: these communicating over
gossipd makes a pretty clear picture
trinque: these communicating over
gossipd makes a pretty clear picture
☟︎ Mocky:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910435 << using gns as proposed, I don't see any other way than passing out ip based links. I can't send a blog link to a slut on fetlife who doesn't have cuntoo, nor can i send a link to cuntoo guide. The whole thing seems like tree forts connected with tin cans and string. For
gossipd I have no objection, for name resolution of published material? How is it even published if 'must be this tall to
☝︎ mod6: Haven't tried. Was thinking we might make our own net until
gossipd, whenever that might be.
mod6: I myself used to run an ircd-hybrid, but that was srsly like 20 years ago. So I'm not sure how much active knowledge I have on the subject, currently. Anyway, whatever or where ever we go, it's just a temporary place until we have
gossipd.
trinque: the upstack claim was that this will help design
gossipd. *only* as antipattern and study of antipatterns does not by itself yield sense.
hanbot: asciilifeform: i'd trust a
gossipd operator that'd also operated the ircd bridge above one who hadn't, other things being comparable.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, do you mean that a person who made and ran this multi-bridge infrastructure across how many irc networks has gained no useful knowledge for running a
gossipd-based service?
diana_coman: at any rate, the move + multi-network wrapper approach seems to me like an excellent way for one to learn and be in a prime position for
gossipd really
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper
gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to
gossipd.
mircea_popescu: (one perfectly legitimate way to build-towards-
gossipd is to make the following item standard : every bot, upon receiving some registration order from anyone in owner's wot, will then respond to "any messages for me ?" with a "since yo ulast asked, here's all the loglines i have seen which highlighted your name".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 14:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote the item originally for
gossipd experimentations. udp gives a max practical packet length ( what it is , remains to be determined ) and if given proggy's protocol needs variably-sized ones, you can pad with rng.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the sack full of
gossipd relays
BingoBoingo: I eat them, customs folk can't imagine that, hippos dance, the lobos marinos sing, and at some point PizarroISP the musical will resound through the
Gossipd equivalent of torrents
mats: depending on how that goes, i'll explore different power plants, and if THAT goes well, there's a gnat port to build future ffa-
gossipd a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 17:28 mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with
gossipd.
mircea_popescu: the very deliberate, and very plain
gossipd-philosophy roots of logotrons are indeed not to be forgotten, either.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper
gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to
gossipd.
phf: asciilifeform: well, we don't have a
gossipd, so our only move option is to take steps towards
gossipd or leprotoilet. "i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule" exists at odds with both. it seems to ask for "faster
gossipd" or "leprotoilet" now, hence at odds.
lobbes: The faint whisper of '
gossipd' can be heard reverberating off the halls of the forum. You are hungry. Exits: [North] [Down]
mircea_popescu: ie, is it fine to say "you wanna chat, use
gossipd ; you wanna program, use emacs" ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with
gossipd.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: My case for the high power station at some point in the future is that Aconcagua is 6962 meters tall and there are plenty of other high peaks in the Andes. There's the seperate
gossipd goal of building a robust relay network, and then there's the "wouldn
BingoBoingo: Sure.
gossipd isn't the only use case. Can't expect the moo cows to report to the reddit bags because they have been issued messages over a
gossipd they aren't equipped to use. It's a use case that demands voice and/or video.
trinque: guy had no notion of WoT, of
gossipd, or anything. he's firmly an "our democracy" believer
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, yeah. have you seen anything re
gossipd, ~speaking the tmsr-wireguard ?
ben_vulpes: (look
gossipd works, asciilifeform can take a nap)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 14:55 spyked: anyway, I can see mircea_popescu's point re "but unlike
gossipd, this broken implementation exists!". but unlike, say, Bitcoin, which, broken implementations or not, I can understand by going to the sources, this I can't, at least not without getting myself deep into the slime pit.
spyked: anyway, I can see mircea_popescu's point re "but unlike
gossipd, this broken implementation exists!". but unlike, say, Bitcoin, which, broken implementations or not, I can understand by going to the sources, this I can't, at least not without getting myself deep into the slime pit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean
gossipd ? how can it possibly displace something that doesn't even exist!
trinque: mircea_popescu: depends on "web" I should've said. I'd sooner skip the RSS feed part and have the bot directly message folks when interesting things happen. the usefulness of this is blunted by the fact that currently
gossipd is implemented by gpg-paste.
trinque: there's also the interesting question of what wot ratings look like in a
gossipd world. yes, I will still warehouse my repository of wot data, but I'd also be happy to chatter ratings to other nodes.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 15:50 trinque waits patiently for a
gossipd atop which to redo hypertext
trinque waits patiently for a
gossipd atop which to redo hypertext
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the merger into
gossipd and eulora later on -- obviously open avenue.
phf: i had that experience when i tried implementing an older spec of
gossipd. i wrote it in C, actually CWEB, but i wasn't doing literate programming right, and after a while the whole thing became overwhelming.
trinque: network in a generic
gossipd press path
mircea_popescu: this is a sort of
gossipd-meets-the original "can't have signature repudiation" problem you encountered in comments there, but REVERSED.
trinque: in the absence of
gossipd, using ssh with $user<->$specificCommand between nodes
a111: Logged on 2016-01-10 23:48 mircea_popescu: hey check that out, zimmerman makes nsa-phone and david chaum makes nsa-
gossipd.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 18:52 Ingolfr_Arnarson: And mentioned
gossipd was the name of the actual thing.