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BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/cia-factbook-the-most-serene-republic/ << Maybe the people and society section needs updating? Maybe it doesn't? Glories of no formal surveys!
mircea_popescu: it's the way of cia factbooks to be half a decade out of date.
mircea_popescu: "these facts were factual at some point"
BingoBoingo: Ambiguity ftw!
douchebag: hey trinque
douchebag: I have some girls who are gonna wanna show tits tomorrow
douchebag: will the bot be back up and working by then?
trinque: most likely yes. there's an ISP outage.
trinque: oughta be back on later today, but the ministry of comcast, who knows
trinque: relatedly, I'm going to instate a withdrawal fee. will decide what that is later
trinque: if I'm moving this from a "hey use my airgap system for cheap" to "high throughput wallet system" it's going to pay for itself
mircea_popescu: trinque charge whatever the network fee is and there you go.
trinque: still doesn't really pay for me cutting txn; obviously the ideal is I cut txn to refill a hot wallet, bot can use up to hot wallet balance without operator interaction.
trinque: since I am unwilling to bail the thing out if the hotwallet piggy is popped, I have been reluctant to do that.
mircea_popescu: at this phase the incentive should still principally be to streamline things.
trinque: douchebag: asking you to review trb's deps wasn't idly selected
mircea_popescu: trinque how much does it need to be ? so far < 1 btc per day or so neh ?
trinque: yeah, but I'm not extending people trb+linux+amd64 insurance
mircea_popescu: what do you evaluate the odds of it getting popped at ?
mircea_popescu: ~ example of question to be answered correctly above ~
trinque: really depends on whether it's a political or economic reason for attack.
trinque: sub BTC piggy isn't worth that much, but "lul popped republican wallet operator" is
mircea_popescu: i... guess.
mircea_popescu: contrariwise though, there's not that much per-tx cost the system can bear.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine half dozen tx/day sorta debit can in any meaningful sense "pay for itself".
mircea_popescu: (consider that these are uncharacteristically generious txn, most of the world still operates on the 19.95 walmart standard.)
trinque: txn fees on my recent ones have been something like 0.00001, at the low end
mircea_popescu: that's pretty good.
mircea_popescu: kinda how my reasoning went, "he's pretty good at getting tx fees optimized, chances are users won't even notice they're paying, when comparing with $average-webservice." trinque checks date. mircea_popescu: it's friday, april 13th trinque: you know the hard drive on the box cutting txn died too, this week? trinque: dundundun mircea_popescu: lol. mircea_popescu: trinque anyway, one reasonable measure to cost control is to do all txn once a day, every day. ish. mircea_popescu: that way a) you get automated txn bundling, reducing fees and b) you don't have to keep doing it. trinque: that's about what I've been doing mircea_popescu: you ~could~ add a deedbot command like !!pending which'd list all pending items and the estimated next send ("Next tx push on Fri, Apr 14 at 8:14 pm -- in 25hours). gives people something to do with their time. trinque: isn't always going to be the case that I'm next to the machine at the same time mircea_popescu: you just update a field with "next tx". trinque: but sure, thing could say "estimated dispatch$time"
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: generally should be able to guess at the time you'd do it today what time'd be convenient tomorrow sorta deal
mircea_popescu: but, to be plain, it is a lot of work, and very useful, and very finnicky / highly qualified / high responsibility. so absolutely you should make bank for doing it.
mircea_popescu: problem with it is that such a thing only pays after getting large enough.
trinque: very true.
trinque: I'd actually like to find a path to the hot wallet sooner than later, for reasons of getting large enough
mircea_popescu: kinda the dilemma of "democratic society" aka "people have rights / are best judges of how to deploy their own resources" etc. you end up with the walmart world and either you chase the britney spears fanbase or else can't cover costs.
trinque: probably just going to set a ceiling on it, and grow the ceiling over time
trinque: let whatever comes in as revenue trickle over into a rainy day fund if a wallet gets popped
mircea_popescu: trinque the line i was going on with the "what odds do you give" is that CDB is indelible from the book, stays there in red. cost of carry of capital, goods or otherwise, and so on.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck investing $hotwallet-size *$failure-odds into the business that it could be, like it or not. just like your time.
mircea_popescu: now, i am in the fortunate position of having valuable experience : bitbet's hotwallet was 1btc ; and it was never popped.
mircea_popescu: (1 btc worth, it was actually 10, but they came to about 5-10k or such)
trinque: that's good to know.
mircea_popescu: now, kako for all his weird was certainly technically competent, so it's not the case that "there lay a trb in the rain".
mircea_popescu: but i don't judge you all that dizzy, either.
douchebag: trinque: In regards to trb deps
douchebag: I'm definitely going to look into them
douchebag: and I have some friends really big into RE who are going to be helping
trinque: mircea_popescu: just trying to frontload the decisions so I'm not on my ear when somethign raises its head.
douchebag: one is ex-military and worked on reverse engineering enemy weapons ect...
mircea_popescu: trinque quite sensible.
trinque: I've handled orders of magnitude more bezzlebucks elsewhere and yet this obviously, I care a great deal more about.
trinque: never bitten on either side, but want it kept that way
trinque: also there's the radiation damage of the former screaming never again while working on the latter
douchebag: I just want to have a dedicated box to review these on, and as mircea_popescu mentioned I'll be sent a server
douchebag: to install this stuff on
trinque: I think you are right, and I'll just consider this an investment in the thing's growth
mircea_popescu: trinque you might be overdramatizing ; what, you think i've never lost a team ? what am i, made of pure energy ? shit happens ; gotta have plans in place and move on.
mircea_popescu: douchebag you're getting it, you're getting it.
trinque: alright douchebag, your flood of titties made me agree to a hotwallet
mircea_popescu: truth be told it was mostly ckeen
mircea_popescu: what happened to him lol!
trinque: ah yeah, was wasn't it
trinque: at any rate I approve of this engineering process
mircea_popescu: douchebag are you actually doing skag btw ?
trinque will be back in about an hour, perhaps the idiot ISP will be back by then.
mircea_popescu: another obvious angle here being, hey ben_vulpes mod6, considering the very useful and important work trinque's doing, imo best illustrated by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797663 is there any chance he'd get a one time grant from tbf ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 18:58 mircea_popescu: avgjoe it's exactly equivalent to "segwit" except much less expensive.
ben_vulpes: for teh cbd?
ben_vulpes: cdb*
mod6: I'd be happy to hear proposls, indeed!
mod6: Speaking of which, ben_vulpes, let me know what you think, but to help keep track of these grants, I think the applicants for a Foundation grant, should write up a small document outlining: 1) How much they are requesting, 2) What the intended purpose is for the grant, 3) The Duration (if any, i.e. one year, or one-time, etc), 4) The current block height / date. 5) Signed with WoT Key.
mod6: Upon approval these can be deeded so we can keep track. I'm starting to have a hard time remembering them all!
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: well, the idea is that indeed he's on the hook, for a particular type of cost. obviously writing code, reviewing code, testing things, design, graphic or systems, all sorts of things are useful and valuable, and they take people's time. if you spend an hour reading through patches you can't spend that hour petting your dog/kitten/kid whatever.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you know aforehand, when you sit down to read through a patch, that you're gonna spend so long with it, and you'll stop when you stop.
mircea_popescu: whereas this, it's more a case of carrying a knife up your ass. it decides when and what.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if i'm making any sense. am i ?
mod6: I view his work on deedbot & wallet as highly-necessary and critical. So you kinda read my mind when you asked us above.
mircea_popescu: specifically being able to say, "oh, yeah, segwit, whatever, the power ranger's version of deedbot's !!pay, right ?" is a tmsr-wide benefit.
mod6: You're totally making sense. It could be a reoccuring grant; needs to be re-newed yearly (or some interval). I'm not in the best position to have an idea as to what is a sensible amount for the interval.
mircea_popescu: i'm guessing if it covers his original hotwallet it's all roses.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't get popped, it needs no renewal, it's permanent. and if he does... well...
mod6: My initial thought was that the Foundation would say, offer a one time engineering fee of 1 BTC. And then also provide insurance for the hot wallet to the tune of say, 1 BTC.
mod6: Maybe that's not as reasonable as what you're suggesting though -- a reoccuring grant.
mircea_popescu: just give him a bitcoin to seed his hotwallet, and call it a day.
mod6: I'd be fine with that. I'd even go a bit further and throw in some extra funding for the development, historical and forward.
mircea_popescu: if he manages to lose it we can have words about maybe another one ; but it'd better not be this year.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you can't afford to pay for development. i appreciate the sentiment, and i'm not saying his work is negligible, but if you count all the IMMENSE amount of devwork the republic has produced, however you add it up you'll either a) be on the hook for more than the foundation has, significantly more, or else b) you'll be stuck taking lowball to the level of insulting people.
mircea_popescu: neither's a good outcome.
mod6: Aha, was thinking that part was a one time thing, The Foundation would indeed run out of money in short order.
mod6: Anyway, ok. I'm happy to approve seeding the hot-wallet.
mod6: ben_vulpes: Thoughts?
ben_vulpes: 1 btc sounds like it would insure the hotwallet for quite some time, sounds neat but let me think about it
mod6: Cool.
ben_vulpes: trinque: rang, asked me to pass on that a) he doesn't need help insuring the hotwallet, and that b) he's thinking really hard about how much of linux and the rest of the stack to insure on his own back, and the moral hazard of doing so
ben_vulpes: (look gossipd works, asciilifeform can take a nap)
ben_vulpes: thoughts topmost on my stack (after apache arcana) are about the implications of the foundation backing the 'tbtf' initiatives. i know that someone must, but going from a rate of zero in however many years to two in two quarters is worth pausing and thinking for.
mod6: Not as much tbtf initiatives'' as it is just the larger Republic, neh?
mod6: Anyway, can think on it.
ben_vulpes: 'too big to fail' i mean
mod6: Oh, i see.
ben_vulpes: i want to read what trinque has to say as well
mod6: No worries, no rush.
trinque: mircea_popescu: wallet is back online
trinque: ben_vulpes: that's an accurate rendering of my opinion. I think mircea_popescu was correct in that there's an unavoidable cost of doing business of a startup wallet service.
trinque: element of this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686516 every time one thinks about running a serious service on the modern shitpile
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 01:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686438 <<< yes, because you're applying the pretense of statics to a dynamic situation. trinque 's metaphore is very much factual : we were paradopped on hot coals, by the FAULT, inexcusable, and indelible, of our parents. they should have taken care that we do not get dropped on hot coals, as children barely able to move. they did not, and derelict in their first and practically speaking on
trinque: I think a 1BTC ceiling would be a satisfactory tolerance for loss from the hot wallet, which I would be able to eat. which is not a promise to eat the thing's losses endlessly either, but on the airgap-wallet side I have enough confidence in the setup that my tolerance is higher.
mod6: I'm fine with this if you are. Certainly wern't trying to force anything on you by any means.
trinque: naw, it's a compliment that you'd consider doing that.
mod6: o7
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 01:42 mircea_popescu: whereas this, it's more a case of carrying a knife up your ass. it decides when and what.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the reasoning wasn't tbtf, but rather community-benefit terrible-cost-structure
mircea_popescu: trinque that works also, keeps things cleaner in a sense.
mircea_popescu: now whom didn't i pay here
mircea_popescu: !!pay jossi 0.02
mircea_popescu: !!up jossi
deedbot: jossi voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes moreover, tbf involvement with pizarro was an investment, not a grant. it got equity didn't it.
mircea_popescu: or is this your discreet way of proposing pizarro's bust :D
douchebag: yo mp
douchebag: you on?
douchebag: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yeah.
douchebag: okay
douchebag: ill get her setup rn
ben_vulpes: pff
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-14#334157 << was the link i meant to paste
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-14 02:49 mircea_popescu: or is this your discreet way of proposing pizarro's bust :D
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: gotta watch what you say, teh investors are eager to misinterpret!
ben_vulpes: who isn't isweatergod
trinque: douchebag: how many you got, and I'll crack this megawad off before bed
douchebag: The one I'm getting right now will be my last one for the night
douchebag: i need to go to bed after this too
douchebag: !!up freezie
deedbot: freezie voiced for 30 minutes.
freezie: i have breasts
trinque: ahaha
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: freezie 3b9958e8 ; you have half your.
mircea_popescu: half hour*
trinque: ohey mircea_popescu, pls to gpg an ssh pubkey
mircea_popescu: trinque 1sec
freezie: douchbag is helping me with that now
deedbot: 5557D3189D3158F7F87CB1988933AF972C7A7AFD registered as freezie.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally, did p.bvulpes cross the mn mark yet ?
ben_vulpes: i dun count
mircea_popescu: oh. right.
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/hello-world/ << Daniel P. Barron - Henlo world!
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/test-post/ << Daniel P. Barron - Test Post
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/yet-another-test/ << Daniel P. Barron - Yet another test
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/oklahoma/ << Daniel P. Barron - Oklahoma
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-bill%e2%80%99s-seafood/ << Daniel P. Barron - Banned from Bills Seafood
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-the-westbrook-elk%e2%80%99s-club/ << Daniel P. Barron - Banned from the Westbrook Elks Club
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-the-rabbit-hole/ << Daniel P. Barron - Banned from The Rabbit Hole
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/do-not-build-yourself-perishable-treasures/ << Daniel P. Barron - do not build yourself perishable treasures
deedbot: http://pizarro.danielpbarron.com/2018/do-you-live-a-christian-lifestyle/ << Daniel P. Barron - Do you live a Christian lifestyle?
danielpbarron: lol, guess that's working
trinque: lol, k. I guess he changed his WP settings for hostname
trinque: ohai danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: and in forgotten gems, http://trilema.com/2014/ken-park/
mircea_popescu: http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis/ << interestingly enough, this still doesn't. what's the danielpbarron hanbot difference i wonder.
ben_vulpes: hanbot has something in her .htaccess i haven't worked with her to unsnsarl yet
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rRVZp/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
mircea_popescu: omfg danielpbarron plox change your favicon
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/whmE2/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: "A couple weeks later, I get accosted by some drunk chick who heard from a friend that I “think women shouldn’t be allowed to speak.” She argued with me alongside one of her friends — that is, I argued some perfectly valid points, while she got increasingly beligerant; much to the friend’s dismay, who even expressed that I was coming off as the victUAL". jeez this guy's saturday nights!
mircea_popescu: (some portions altered)
douchebag: nice, with three minutes to spare
douchebag: good job
mircea_popescu: !!pay freezie 0.02
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !!up freezie
deedbot: freezie voiced for 30 minutes.
freezie: w000000ie
douchebag: hey trinque
douchebag: I
douchebag: ill let you know when her shit is all processed
douchebag: and then you can process them
trinque: I'll know. The thermal printer lets out a screeeeeeee
trinque: but appreciated
douchebag: <3
douchebag: thats a really secure setup it sounds like
mircea_popescu: unless a cat lives nearby
douchebag: haha
mircea_popescu: cats really dun like unattended printers.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't even get that bad until it tries to pee on it.
douchebag: lmfao
douchebag: alright trinque she's all good
trinque: myeah withdrawal slips have definitely been cat-diddled along the way
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it occurs to me you should prolly wear your scandalous shirt in your header or something.
mircea_popescu: also, you should probably come do karaoke here. for one thing, there's hookers. for the other thing, they're so enamoured with the idea of english they'll like it whatever it is (not that they'd know). and soo n.
danielpbarron: heh, so the dns is working ok on your end?
mircea_popescu: on mine ? yes.
mircea_popescu: o wow, so you were going to brazil and then ended up living with the true church folk ? i had nfi!
danielpbarron: yeah i got my visa and everything
mircea_popescu: hm. i can't help but read this passage as "on my way i got waylaid by these fellows who saw i had dough and well..." ; but then again i'm a cynical sort.
trinque: I hope this "banned from" thing has more episodes
danielpbarron: heh
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Post from danielpbarron: Henlo world! <http://danielpbarron.com/2018/hello-world/> << henlo world lol
mircea_popescu: "Darwin also went to The Master's College library and checked out a stack of MacArthur's books about 18 inches high. Normally, they would not allow so many volumes to be lent out all at one time, but in this case, for some reason, they made an exception." << "they were secretly hoping he steals them"
mircea_popescu: http://atruechurch.info/ourside.html this stuff's pretty entertaining altogether.
mircea_popescu: almost like larping, "one magic spell they used was..."
mircea_popescu: o wow, AND there's a libel countersite too! http://www.atruecult.com/dfishfaq.htm
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so what's the dirt, what happened between the david fish fellow and the al soto fellow ?
mircea_popescu: !!up redfawnn
deedbot: redfawnn voiced for 30 minutes.
redfawnn: boobs
redfawnn: :)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ddc1ae60 ; half hour.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-14#334077 << what sorta teams are these?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-14 01:17 mircea_popescu: trinque you might be overdramatizing ; what, you think i've never lost a team ? what am i, made of pure energy ? shit happens ; gotta have plans in place and move on.
mircea_popescu: you know, like you.
ben_vulpes: ah
mircea_popescu: " ben_vulpes took a dozen hookers and a truck of beer to the nevada desert and was never heard from again "
ben_vulpes: valhallah!
ben_vulpes: ah, stray h. /me bbl
trinque: ben_vulpes: hey I just had a vacation idea
redfawnn: hey trying to upload picture now
redfawnn: getting a timeout
mircea_popescu: trinque going to chiraq to sample thatbitchlola 's wares ?
mircea_popescu: !!up redfawnn
deedbot: redfawnn voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!key redfawnn
mircea_popescu: !!pay redfawnn 0.02
redfawnn: I tried to reverse on phone but couldnt figure out
mircea_popescu: what do you mean reverse ?
redfawnn: Its mirrored
redfawnn: phone flipped it somehow
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
mircea_popescu: !!pay trinque 0.03
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how he managed it, but apparently his early cuntoo actually works for practical purposes.
redfawnn: cuntoo? lol
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: it's like gentoo for manly men.
redfawnn: cunt is an odd word, it just sounds disgusting, much prettier terms for it
mircea_popescu: i disagree.
redfawnn: whats the worst you have? term wise for it
mircea_popescu: i dunno, "weewee" ?
redfawnn: fuck gutter, probably the worst I heard
redfawnn: you must have a term similar
mircea_popescu: notrly.
lobbes: it's titphoon season >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798188
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:42 shinohai: it's raining tits of late. April showers and all i suppose
lobbes: and with that I have exceeded my horrible pun quota for 2018
mircea_popescu: there is no quota on pun, it is all lie and spin.
lobbes: damn. meta-pun. try as I might I cannot follow
mircea_popescu: spun.
lobbes: ha!
mircea_popescu: i am the motherfucking bad pun ~CHAMPION~.
lobbes: you pull no punches
mircea_popescu: that's because i was born with a silver spoon.
lobbes: well, stick a fork in me, I'm done
mircea_popescu gloats with impunity.
ckang: hey all
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798160 <-- I can definitely see this angle. my point is that by giving up the "general-purpose" pretense altogether, the system designer can qualitatively reduce the implicit trust in code running in the system. so yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798161 but moreover, one would not expect to find e.g. a pdf processing library in bitcoin node os, as "bitcoin node" can be specced all the way from
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:20 mircea_popescu: now then, a "general purpose operating system" is "that set of code which is trusted implicitly", "as long as it makes no particular assumptions about the rest of the code that will run on the machine".
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 16:21 mircea_popescu: the moment we bake in the assumption that "this is a bitcoin node", suddenly the os is no longer gp ; we'll want a special fs in there etc.
spyked: user interface, through the os and down to hardware components. which brings us back to the way engineering was done in the olden days, before that weed overdose, i.e. http://archive.is/TRrOE
spyked: every time OS insists on pulling in "udev" or "tls" or whatever other packages (tons of examples in the logs), it's because someone wanted to add more "general-purpose" scaffolding.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798435 <-- not sure it's my place to comment on this, but it sounds a lot like the "academic grant" trap that I've fallen into at some point. consider this: the abstraction of money exists so that humans can attribute economic value to things. on the other side of the problem, "creating valuable things for humanity" or for "no concrete labour obligations" are not economically quantifiable (any value,
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:22 zx2c4: the reason is actually, "so that i can have a fixed income without any concrete labor obligations"
spyked: including zero, can pay "no concrete labour obligations", neh?). this is why academic grants and giving away \infty btc like that is such a waste and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798420 . and this is also why "get into business", because it puts your skin in the game and forces you to determine the value of whatever you're selling.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-13 20:16 mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you'd be terribly worse off, and so would be the bitcoin ecosystem.
spyked: and just to be clear re "economic value": the whole system of academic grants is based upon the lie that "there are enough resources to satisfy everyone". well, there aren't, tough luck. which reduces grant proposals to a very sophisticated way of begging, i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vVpsJnbq3A
spyked should translate ^ at some point
spyked: but in short, "stretched hand that doesn't tell a story doesn't get dole"
ascii_lander reporting from BingoBoingostan !!
ascii_lander: here also with me is ~100kg of iron ( some of which admittedly is old rags, foam, etc )
ascii_lander: iron pawed over by many hands, but in the end unmolested.
ascii_lander: funnily enuff it was the rockchips that caused the greatest wtf , 'wassis', 'looks expensive'
ascii_lander: even the americans, on letting ~out~, which is imho hilarious
ascii_lander: i'ma take a nap nao and so bbl.
diana_coman: congrats ascii_lander
diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Let me know when you wake and where you want to meet
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-02#1791957 <- feel free to invoice me with deedbot so it doesn't wait on meeting in game (unless you prefer ECu, ofc)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-02 01:57 lobbes: ^^ q1 auction bot billz (slow quarter!). Mainly for accounting purposes; no rush on collecting due to eulora servers being down and the fact that the sums are a mere 96 satoshi each
deedbot: diana_coman rated trinque 3 << I trust him with my BTC (deedbot); writes at http://trinque.org/
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/russian-air-defense-hardware-getting-pretty-good-at-intercepting-us-missiles/ << Qntra - Russian Air Defense Hardware Getting Pretty Good At Intercepting US Missiles
diana_coman: !!v 0A73690804DC4E46165F1ECFE39CD7E06805A43AF32E3391EA886CB69416AB30
deedbot: diana_coman rated spyked 2 << former Fain contributor, known him online for years; writes at http://thetarpit.org/
BingoBoingo: !!up aloevera
deedbot: aloevera voiced for 30 minutes.
aloevera: im a bastard
aloevera: !!register https://pastebin.com/PVQi79HE
deedbot: Import failed for https://pastebin.com/PVQi79HE.
BingoBoingo: Try using http://p.bvulpes.com/
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1798961 << soto was kicked out over covetousness
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 05:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so what's the dirt, what happened between the david fish fellow and the al soto fellow ?
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799037 << lol nope, it was the 'tsa' monkey, 'this looked quite exciting on xray'
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 12:07 diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799038 << still waking up
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 13:43 BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Let me know when you wake and where you want to meet
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: Aite, how is the view?
ascii_lander: BingoBoingo: pretty neat.
BingoBoingo: Got one of the river or the endless short buildings
ascii_lander: the latter. and streets, complete with sov-style sweepers
BingoBoingo: AHA, Saturday is sweeping day
ascii_lander: i'ma wash up & dress etc, bbl at the console in ~halfhr. meanwhile BingoBoingo think of where they have ice cream around here.
BingoBoingo: Quite a few places, depends on where "here" is for you
ascii_lander: hotel-ben_vulpes
ascii_lander brb
BingoBoingo: Ah
mod6: :]
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: You have two locations of la heladeria la cigale near you. Roque Grassas 845 is nominally closer, but Juan Benito Blanco esq Miguel Barrio is a straight shot from where you are at.
BingoBoingo: Or if you wait to get to the datacenter there's a few different ones here in the BingoBoingo part of town.
BingoBoingo: In MVD shopping there is yet another La Cigale, Freddo's and the grocery store Tienda Inglesa if you prefer your ice cream in volume.
BingoBoingo: Actually the closest place for icecream to you is on the same block. Walk around the corner to the gas station.
BingoBoingo: La Administración Nacional de Combustibles, Alcohol y Portland tends to stock rather decent food products in their outlets
ben_vulpes: alcohol y portland lol
BingoBoingo: You know, the cement
ascii_lander: back
ascii_lander inspected cargo : not only were \$boxen thoroughly pawed over ( external trunk seals popped, inside -- careful packing turned into a ??? shambles) but some 'ears' bent
ascii_lander: internal seals appear intact tho.
BingoBoingo: That sounds about par for the course
ascii_lander: item of greatest concern is a bent topcover latching thumb-bolt, we will not be able to work on that box until it is straightened
mod6: fuckin orcs
BingoBoingo: I can grab the hammer on the way to the datacenter
ascii_lander: if you got a claw hammer, then yes
BingoBoingo: I do
BingoBoingo: Also have a variety of screwdrivers and pliers
ascii_lander: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XM5Ge/?raw=true
ascii_lander: plz to ack rcpt.
BingoBoingo: Ack
BingoBoingo: Will grab the hammer and get a walking
douchebag: does anyone know when mp will be on
douchebag: Got some wimmenz
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:35 BingoBoingo: david_francois: I noticed on of your trb nodes is perenially 100,000 blocks behind. Consider building a new bitcoind with either the asciilifeform or ben_vulpes aggression patches. Vastly improved sync behavior.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-10 15:44 david_francois: david_francois: yeah, i got a new server with a SSD raid, I'm planning on getting a update TRB node there, which should be more reliable
davout: should have synced by the end of next week
lobbes: hm, so I was following install steps for trinque's ircbot-genesis (http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-genesis#selection-167.10-167.39) and it looks like the "init http://trinque.org/src/ircbot" step downloads the robots.txt which, upon pressing, barfs with "INVALID SEAL" eggog >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qHlDI/?raw=true
lobbes: removing the robots.txt from .seals was suffecient to fix, but just thought I'd report
lobbes: *sufficient
lobbes: (btw, my hat's off to mod6 for the very descriptive eggog messages in his v-tron. was a snap to troubleshoot)
douchebag: !!up chloeqtpi
deedbot: chloeqtpi voiced for 30 minutes.
chloeqtpi: I have tits
douchebag: mircea_popescu: She's another discord girl
douchebag: I
douchebag: I'm actually with her in real life
douchebag: First girl I've met in real life that actually knows what bitcoin is too
douchebag: without me having to extend
mircea_popescu: soo lobbes here's one for you : coupla reformed old hookers contemplate going to church. "should we put bras on you think ?" the other one looks out the window "yeah, prolly should, the weater looks moody."
mircea_popescu: douchebag, go for it.
douchebag: she wants to show her tits
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, 60df3d87. you have half hour
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799018 << the notion that there's such a thing or could be such a thing as "resonable expectation" of pre-existing userland on the basis of os is not unlike young women expecting fucking them means they get to reorganize your bathroom.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 09:49 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798160 <-- I can definitely see this angle. my point is that by giving up the "general-purpose" pretense altogether, the system designer can qualitatively reduce the implicit trust in code running in the system. so yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798161 but moreover, one would not expect to find e.g. a pdf processing library in bitcoin node os, as "bitcoin node" can be specced all the way from
mircea_popescu: if you want a bathroom reorganizer you hire one specifically, and fucking is no license to organize bathrooms.
mircea_popescu: this "by os you mean preinstalled userland" is 100% windowsism, harking back to the time microsoft produced a userland package called "windows 3.1" and wanted to pretend itself in the os business (a field it arguable NEVER entered)
mircea_popescu: but in no case am i about to conduct a discussion on the basis of microsoft priors tyvm.
deedbot: F9E7965294E8C06D5289A590FA715C67EA51A6BB registered as chloeqtpi.
douchebag: i had the honor of taking that photo btw
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799023 << it's definitely your place to comment, seeing how you're all but technically in the l1 ; that's what that's all about, place and even perhaps obligation to comment.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 10:06 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1798435 <-- not sure it's my place to comment on this, but it sounds a lot like the "academic grant" trap that I've fallen into at some point. consider this: the abstraction of money exists so that humans can attribute economic value to things. on the other side of the problem, "creating valuable things for humanity" or for "no concrete labour obligations" are not economically quantifiable (any value,
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, you don't have a point. take measurement as a more general case. sure we can measure things, but a) we don't oblige everyone to measure everything all the time and b) we certainly don't insist on arbitrary precision.
mircea_popescu: so there's fellows going about who don't know the cm length of their penis ; and certainly not to the A.
chloeqtpi: did I do good??
mircea_popescu: it's indisputable that the work put in by various republian people is worth money ; and this constitutes an investment they made. nevertheless, how this is evaluated is rather an open question -- according to say zx2c4
mircea_popescu: s method there's at least half a dozen multi-k btc items about.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with this, but as i pointed out, the foundation dun have 10k btc.
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, lessee here
mircea_popescu: !!pay chloeqtpi 0.02
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, be a few mins, im not at the sign box right nao.
chloeqtpi: alrighty
mircea_popescu: spyked, on reading further through it seems you weren't actually saying what i thought you were, so no actual disagreement here.
mircea_popescu: !!up keshaa
deedbot: keshaa voiced for 30 minutes.
keshaa: hi
chloeqtpi: could I get paid for my ass?
keshaa: here for pic
chloeqtpi: or any special requests
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799029 << anyway, i wouldn't simplify it quite to that point. obviously there's a pull and there's a push way to make money, and if i propose to some guy, "do x, get y" it's my push not his pull, and obviously if he wants to pull instead of waiting to b pushed aroundhe gotta do pull-y sorta things. but anyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 10:13 spyked: but in short, "stretched hand that doesn't tell a story doesn't get dole"
mircea_popescu: keshaa, 9b5c6df5. you have... half hour lol.
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, not right now, no. but can you draw ?
chloeqtpi: no i can't
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799030 << o hey well done!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 11:48 ascii_lander reporting from BingoBoingostan !!
mircea_popescu: chloeqtpi, well, if you're technicaly inclined and above-average in intelligence you can read through the logs see if you find something useful to do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799037 << averea poporului!!!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 12:07 diana_coman: do the US tax stuff going *out* now? or why puzzle over it / looks expensive thing?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, incidentally, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RTtt2/?raw=true
douchebag: !!up EvieC
deedbot: EvieC voiced for 30 minutes.
EvieC: hiiiii im here 2 show tits
douchebag: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: EvieC, 71ff205b. you have half hour.
EvieC: okay!
mircea_popescu: !!pay keshaa 0.02
keshaa: ty love
mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living keshaa ?
keshaa: i co-own a vape shop
mircea_popescu: o hey. how's that going ?
keshaa: but i got into it before it was hip :p
mircea_popescu: here, lotta shops but ~0 customers, looks like a very sad fash[ion] wave that meanwhile died.
keshaa: yea, you 100% need ecommerce these days
mircea_popescu: it looks like they'll forget all about it in a year or two.
keshaa: nah, it may become regulated but wont go away i dont think
mircea_popescu: sorta like how the sex shops moved on to being "sexy shops", sell knitting paraphenalia and slutty outfits.
keshaa: most of the hardcore users buy online, walk in customers are people just starting
keshaa: or older folks, not sustainable
mircea_popescu: maybe the vape thing is destined to one display case in the weird bongs and indian spices shop, i figure.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799103 << cheers, lobbes! glad you got it resolved.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 20:26 lobbes: (btw, my hat's off to mod6 for the very descriptive eggog messages in his v-tron. was a snap to troubleshoot)
mircea_popescu: keshaa, incidentally, do you realise you're like the first titgirl that actually owns something ?
keshaa: surely they own a car or something outright lol
douchebag: you need face EvieC
douchebag: !!up Missy420
deedbot: Missy420 voiced for 30 minutes.
EvieC: I'm here to show tits
douchebag: these girls are using the same laptop
Missy420: yeah I meant to say that in my window
douchebag: too blurry
douchebag: mircea_popescu: Missy420 needs a code
mircea_popescu: keshaa, i suppose technically the pimp girl owns some hos. but anyways.
mircea_popescu: !!up keshaa
deedbot: keshaa voiced for 30 minutes.
keshaa: hah, couldn't work and give all my money to a man
mircea_popescu: EvieC, you deeply misunderstand how this goes. review http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ and do it properly.
mircea_popescu: keshaa, well, to a woman in this case.
mircea_popescu: Missy420, b184142c. you got half hour.
douchebag: !!!up EvieC
douchebag: !!up EvieC
deedbot: EvieC voiced for 30 minutes.
EvieC: there you go!!!
EvieC: !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IwjhL/?raw=true
deedbot: B1C778ED661CE8AC7922785F1EACE4BE0F663660 registered as EvieC.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !!pay EvieC 0.02
douchebag: !!up Missy420
deedbot: Missy420 voiced for 30 minutes.
douchebag: !!up lizza
deedbot: lizza voiced for 30 minutes.
lizza: mircea_popescu: hello, here for tit pic
mircea_popescu: Missy420, srsly, what bs is this ?
mircea_popescu: !!down Missy420
mircea_popescu: lizza, e7eaa377. you have half hour.
douchebag: i called her a retard
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what that helps, but anyway.
douchebag: should i even bother to tell her to show face ?
mircea_popescu: nope, she blew her chance.
mircea_popescu: "cleverness" doesn't pay.
douchebag: Sucks for her
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/fired-from-colorblends/ << Daniel P. Barron - Fired from Colorblends
mircea_popescu: !!pay lizza 0.02
lizza: TY mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mah pleasure.
shinohai: Buenas noches #trilema
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha this dood pinterested tumblr pr0n all over his front office.
douchebag: !!up Jennnnnnnie
deedbot: Jennnnnnnie voiced for 30 minutes.
Jennnnnnnie: here to show my boobs
douchebag: mircea_popescu: ^
mod6: hey hey hey, lbj
ascii_lander: ohai mod6 !
mod6: how goes?!
Jennnnnnnie: what am i supposed to write?
ascii_lander: met with BingoBoingo, who put up with my sleepwalking admirably, and showed around in the town ( which rocks, incidentally , apparently errywhere Off the Reservation rocks)
ascii_lander: we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow)
ascii_lander: went into the DC also
ascii_lander: in the dc, funnily enuff, on the way out : me:'this place wants to be fancy, americanistic' , then i lean onto the wall with the lift, and the floor number sign prolapses into the wall! i reach in to put it back, schlink, slice finger
ascii_lander: then we go into a shop , 'i'ma buy alcohol to disinfect in, and superglue', then we find alcohol : they sell actual ethyl. like civilized folx!!
mod6: <+ascii_lander> we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow) << ok awesome
mod6: dang, sliced finger 'eh? not too bad i hope.
shinohai: Plot twist: ascii_lander gets mumps from cut finger, dies.
BingoBoingo: I just got used to all the metal here being sharp, forgot to warn
BingoBoingo: Isn't metal sharp everywhere?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799177 << That's what it amounted to in old country
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:39 mircea_popescu: maybe the vape thing is destined to one display case in the weird bongs and indian spices shop, i figure.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799242 << Eh, just the ritzy part so far. Nowhere... well, Only a few places ben_vulpes hasn't been.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:05 ascii_lander: met with BingoBoingo, who put up with my sleepwalking admirably, and showed around in the town ( which rocks, incidentally , apparently errywhere Off the Reservation rocks)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799246 << We did find superglue too!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:12 ascii_lander: then we go into a shop , 'i'ma buy alcohol to disinfect in, and superglue', then we find alcohol : they sell actual ethyl. like civilized folx!!
mod6: that's great to hear
BingoBoingo: Also alf packs masterfully.
mircea_popescu: bbs.
mod6: Sounds like :]
douchebag: mircea_popescu: Jennie is here for tits
BingoBoingo: !!Up Jennnnnie
deedbot: Jennnnnie voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Jennnnnie, f1a0db59. you got half hour.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, whenever, really. not tonight, ima go meet some gal the girls dug up, but in general.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:06 ascii_lander: we unbent some of the bent moorings, assembled the rockchiptron (due for installation as early as tomorrow)
ascii_lander: grade-a tits in the great titwave, btw
mircea_popescu: i thoiught you'd like the ukr-french girl.
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799256 << funnily enuff, we walk into pharmacy thing, wander around, on-shelf : arc welders, angle grinders...
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 23:36 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799246 << We did find superglue too!
ascii_lander: lol ukr-french, bulldog-rhinoceros
mircea_popescu: !!up Jennnie
deedbot: Jennnie voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dja lose some n's ?
Jennnie: my connection sucks
BingoBoingo: !!up mirrah
deedbot: mirrah voiced for 30 minutes.
mirrah: hey :)
mirrah: here for pics :)
ascii_lander: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799187 << lol just as i suspected, douchebag yer marching them in and pocketing the coin? how didja convince'em to play ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:49 douchebag: these girls are using the same laptop
mircea_popescu: mirrah, 56cc9128. you got half hour.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_lander> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799187 << lol just as i suspected, douchebag yer marching them in and pocketing the coin? how didja convince'em to play ? << Mebbe drugs?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:49 douchebag: these girls are using the same laptop