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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still no working desk in the flat ??
BingoBoingo: I'm working a lot in the flat, but I've been getting hit with the cabin fever pretty hard since leaving the hostel. I've been using the cowork desk to get my dose of social orcnoise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: consider lappy + cafe ( like, iirc, phf does ) , cheaper...
mod6: Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
mod6: !!Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
mod6: !+Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
mod6: !~Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
mod6: !Qcalc ((0.42967914/12)+0.022)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.057806595
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.057806595 August 2018 invoice for UY3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/n1rJN/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give some cafes a try, but a side effect of the Mate crack pipes is that there aren't many cafes, and... Looking for a combination cafe+package reception kinda reinvents the cowork thing again.
mod6: !Qcalc (75+75+75)/8200
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0274390243902
mod6: BingoBoingo: if you want to renew your rockchip for 1 quarter, this will be the price ^
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: Roughly how far out is a Cuntoo image for Rockchip?
mod6: !Qcalc 141.70/8200
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0172804878049
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.01728048 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GDDF9/?raw=true
mod6: !Qcalc (141.70/8200)+0.003
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0202804878049
mod6: !!invoice trinque 0.02028048 August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/g4DOH/?raw=true
trinque: mod6: just to be clear, so far ben_vulpes has billed in arrears. we're moving to billing in advance?
trinque: I don't have a problem with that, but like things to be defined
trinque: lemme pull a list of invoice dates for ya
mod6: ben_vulpes said at the end of last month that I should send the august ones as soon as I have the price point. which is also what I committed to doing when we had this last go-around a week ago.
mod6: I'm just trying to stick to what I said I would do so you'd be happy.
ben_vulpes: trinque has it, mod6 is billing in advance now.
mod6: Ok, that contradicts what you asked me to do, and what we said we'd do.
ben_vulpes: mod6: no, what you have just done is bill for august service at the beginning of august.
trinque isn't pissed, just asking the question, as I didn't see an announcement
mod6: So should I cancel those invoices or what is the plan here?
trinque: mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I8ETC/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: mod6: everything is kosher, trinque wants clarity on arrears vs advance. what you are doing is billing in advance.
trinque: I've (more or less!) been paying at the end of the month for the prior month. I'm happy to begin paying for the month ahead, if y'all want that, but we oughta say what the policy is for the logs
mod6: i dont' really know what arreass is
ben_vulpes: arrears are for services rendered already.
mod6: clearly i'm not the man for this, just trying to keep things moving.
ben_vulpes: mod6: you're doing a great job, don't hang yourself over a term of art.
mod6: and keeping clients happy, which im having a hard time doing.
ben_vulpes: mod6: note he did not say that he was pissed, quite the contrary.
trinque: I'm just asking educational questions, is all
ben_vulpes: billing as soon as the price signal is set avoids further waffling over spread between when price signal is set and when bills go out. necessarily entails a move to billing in advance.
mod6: The invoices that I just made cover the service through the month of August. Invoices received need to be paid by the last day of August.
trinque: cool deal, that's exactly what I wanted in the logs
ben_vulpes: great!
mod6: Ok aweome. Thx.
trinque: and thank you!
mod6: !!v 646B0F8356894CF24B00725362F3F5ECA3FBE279832EDF28A16348E6DBBB9889
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.057806595 << August 2018 invoice for UY3
mod6: !!v 0B55B685916F50B97FEAAE35C8A6A4591CE1B56F1D883225133D8F6C85B8D961
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.01728048 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!v D45113700F92244BD144669414FC1FD44A7D5819AE34FB08A6B69235A8540DD0
deedbot: Invoiced trinque 0.02028048 << August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
mod6: Alright, last one that remains is BingoBoingo's should he decide to renew for a quarter. Of which, there is a price quote above.
mod6: !Qcalc 100/8200
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0121951219512
mod6: ^ price for 1 month too, should BingoBoingo decide on month-to-month.
mod6: Let me know what works!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839243 << attempting one as we speak ( if no dice, will reflash the vacant rk with classical img )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 00:27 BingoBoingo: Roughly how far out is a Cuntoo image for Rockchip?
trinque: !!v 3E996764340AB3F151BAC8371DD6F8AE123527064DE756DE8FFE0E35CA343B13
deedbot: trinque paid mod6 invoice 3
trinque: cheers folks, back later
mod6: thanks trinque!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo mod6 asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6dB0R/?raw=true << detailed walkthrough of how i've been generating reports for pizarro, along with trial report for july. will doublecheck numbers tomorrow and finalize.
mod6: Hey, nice ben_vulpes! Thanks for putting that together, I'll comb through it tomorrow and check numbers.
mircea_popescu: mod6 how did it settle at 8200 if you ended up paying 1.1 for it or w/e
mod6: did I do that wrong?
mod6: was thinking i had to "buy 8200 fiats" for 1.1, and that was the rate.
mod6: how do i figure out the rate?
mod6: i will cancel the outstanding invoices, and send back trinque's money. and re-invoice everyone at the correct rate.
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1.1 drinks for 9 dollars the drink rate is 9/1.1 not 9 yes ?
mircea_popescu: if youi buy a tank of gas for 50 bux gas isn't now 50bux a GALON, it's 50 bux a tank.
mod6: !Qcalc 8200/1.1
lobbesbot: mod6: 7454.54545455
mod6: this ^
mod6: ?
mircea_popescu: seems so. you don't see it ?
mircea_popescu pulls the actual data
mod6: seems to make sense, anyway.
mircea_popescu: nfi why this is so anti-intuitive lol
mircea_popescu: AUCTION # 338 has ENDED: 8.2k wFF q0 SOLD to mod6 for 1.1bn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
mod6: i think there was a lot of mental gymnastics I had to do.
mircea_popescu: there you go, yeah.
mod6: confused myself.
mod6: alright, will re-do.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839230 << Sorry all, I screwed this up. Will cancel all invoices, and re-price & re-do. Anyone who paid, will be refunded the exact amount, and reinvoiced at the correct amount.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 00:11 mod6: Attn Pizarro Customers: The auction was settled at $8200.00, and will be used as the price point for August invoices.
mod6: *sigh*
mod6: !!sent-invocies
mod6: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/L24gu/?raw=true
mod6: !!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VRcra/?raw=true
mod6: !!cancel-invoice jurov 3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dCK2W/?raw=true
mod6: !!pay trinque 0.02028048
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5jWhT/?raw=true
mod6: !!v F9B6E58EC6C6D82F22D1D81EAC8CC603B30A941E6FFA6A12A4D48845F120E27E
deedbot: mod6 canceled mircea_popescu invoice 3
mod6: !!v 89A1ED6A3F48C1CAEE02EE4F65A0BC3FD09F381B3D030C60CD118662FCF391B8
deedbot: mod6 canceled jurov invoice 3
mod6: !!v 49444AD95AE10A40C8C274D2730499414909FC8998FDDAB306E6B04343BE58AE
deedbot: mod6 paid trinque 0.02028048
mod6: shit, I didn't even need to cancel the one for S.MG.
mod6: grrrr
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.057806595 August 2018 invoice for UY3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FE4NX/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: did i just talk myself into a 10% bill increase ? :D
mod6: !!Qcalc (75+75+75)/7454.54
mod6: smh
mod6: !Qcalc (75+75+75)/7454.54
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0301829489144
mod6: BingoBoingo: Quarterly ^
mod6: (for rockchip)
mod6: !Qcalc 100/7454.54
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0134146439619
mod6: BingoBoingo: Monthly ^ for rockchip
mod6: !Qcalc 141.70/7454.54
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0190085504941
mod6: !!invoice jurov August 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1YC8y/?raw=true
mod6: lol
mod6 drops head
mod6: !!invoice jurov 0.01900855 August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Cvcr9/?raw=true
mod6: !Qcalc (141.70/7454.54)+0.003
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0220085504941
mod6: !!invoice trinque 0.02200855 August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZmomO/?raw=true
mod6: !!v 219DA25EE262A213C10A08827D05B276CD994D309FF1DC98178FB1EA80B8EC0C
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.057806595 << August 2018 invoice for UY3
mod6: !!v FA8D85ADF1942C3ECF43C9FC1D7272AA88A0E50160C8451BC865F1BD46A8BE01
deedbot: Invoiced jurov 0.01900855 << August Invoice for The Bitcoin Foundation's colo service. #foundation #pizarro
mod6: !!v 686B8C99989197732D824C678EB37FEFE65F4D2B01A2259F85E38DE86FFD27EE
deedbot: Invoiced trinque 0.02200855 << August Invoice for colocation service and shared shell at pizarro
mod6: Alright, now everything should be straight.
mod6: All: The price point for August is now set at $7454.54.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
mircea_popescu: * Now talking on #freenode
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #freenode is: We know about the spam. Please see https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack for a detailed statement. | User mode +R blocks PMs from unregistered users. Activate it with: /mode <YourNick> +R | Welcome to #freenode |
mircea_popescu: "christel on 2018-07-27 Many of you will have noticed that over the last few days there has been an extensive spambot wave on freenode, and on other networks." after which one loses interest in reading further, seeing how only a moron would use that lede.
asciilifeform: via mircea_popescu's link >> https://freenode.net/news/freenode-live-keynotes << holy fuq, the barfology
mircea_popescu: in which spirit, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pwpgR/?raw=true being the fecal consistency of #freenode the past half hour. >2k users, 0 useful product.
asciilifeform: lol kilometre of joinpartola
mircea_popescu: kinda made the point to me, that probably we're the only ones to even notice ; the cattle live in their barn on their cattle diet, shit's unremarkable to them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gave it half hour, seems enough.
mircea_popescu: this shit though, where "feelings" became acceptable topics of conversation in public, has gotta fucking cease.
mircea_popescu: harem girls have harem conversations IN THE FUCKING HAREM. ima talk to the master of the house, not to the chatterchorus.
asciilifeform: 'we have pheeelings! and will tell mother!'
mircea_popescu: im not their fucking mother.
asciilifeform: it's a prayer to the inca, wat. typical homo redditus fare.
asciilifeform: usg.red set'em up a 'pedo scandal'(tm) to remove politically unreliable (i've nfi , but presumably even in this set of fleas there is a set of more- and less- nsa-approved halves ) ; so fleanode.blue whine ( redditus bonsaikitten has no response mechanism aside from the whine )
asciilifeform: !#s appelbaum
a111: 30 results for "appelbaum", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=appelbaum
asciilifeform: ^ prior art.
mircea_popescu: my take is more in the vein of "visual thinkers attempting to rehash the 'hilary pedophilia scandal' for substance and of course plastering '-gate' and 'journalists' labels is how markov chains work".
mircea_popescu: exactly the same substance as the "artwork" basis of http://maddox.xmission.com/irule_.html
mircea_popescu: "oh, that's a cat" "oh, journalists"
mircea_popescu: in other ~equivalent lulz, the jewish lobby has undergone some massive effort to publicize romanian-born early 20th century jewry, resulting in huge wikipediaballs such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Relgis
mircea_popescu: (for comparison, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Daicoviciu ; this is an actually important fellow, unlike random no-name http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 ; so it's quite clearly not the romanians being momentarily unlazy)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: (fellow also went to uruguay, is the tenuous point of apropos)
asciilifeform: 'Relgis lived the final decade of his life as a pensioner of the Uruguayan state—in 1985, a law raised his pensión graciable to 20,000 new pesos a month' << lol
mircea_popescu: ikr.
mircea_popescu: in case you're wondering how the argentina-uruguay-etc ended up the shitholes that they are, that's exactly it : gave their money away to anarcho-humanitary-pacifisto-veganist & feminists, because "sons of europe".
mircea_popescu: as per ye olde http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-121.0-121.824
asciilifeform saw the nonagenarian italian zombies, still walking the streets of BingoBoingostan, with own eyes
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the .ar/.uy folk thought they could jury-rig a sort of 'alt-europe'.
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: didn't, naturally, work ( recall the story of kurt tank )
asciilifeform: even when they got the occasional functional brain.
mircea_popescu: they didn't try though. the important part was in the jury-rigging.
mircea_popescu: like one of those mcguyverists that's actually more committed to the duct taping process than to the end product.\
asciilifeform: kurt tank tore out his hair, iirc 'they don't even know how to make machine screws'
asciilifeform: somehow he harnessed the monkeys and built two whole jets. which then used in overthrow of peron, then rusted into dust.
asciilifeform: iirc current ar 'air force' consists of surplus usg cropdusters.
mircea_popescu: they even have submarines!
asciilifeform: well, had, lol
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely imagine a lulzier scene than argentina-borne monkeys inside german old diesel scrapmetal pile.
asciilifeform: '...and if the tub had been stronger, my tale would have been longer'
asciilifeform: ( this item forgotten in en world, but lives on in ru , in the form of marshak's 'Три мудреца в одном тазу Пустились по морю в грозу. Будь попрочнее Старый таз, Длиннее Был бы мой рассказ.' )
mircea_popescu: hah!
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avram_Steuerman-Rodion << even better example, "Steuerman himself is often described as an obscure contributor to Romanian literature, but survives in cultural memory for having given a poetic voice to the ideals of Jewish integration. "
mircea_popescu: dude, just come out and fucking say it! "he was nobody on a stick, but we're jews so..."
mircea_popescu: what fucken "cultural memory".
asciilifeform: hey they recently even 'made' harry houdini into jew
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-08-04.log.html#t16:18:15 << check it out, the smartasses are actually those http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752954 wanna-bes.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 01:18 phf: "The l0de radio hour is a long-running live call-in show that irregularly broadcasts over the internet, and to pirate shortwave and FM stations. It is hosted by Lode Ray Dio, a gypsy hustler with a long history of fraud, grifting, and treason. The show is notable for its frequent cancellations, obscene and bizarre content, and a high rate of listener suicide."
lobbesbot: Logged on 2018-08-04 16:18:15: <amar> /!\ ATTN: This channel has moved to irc.efnet.org #LRH /!\
asciilifeform recalls ancient lulz, the 'hipcrime' spammer, who ended up becoming one of the last nails in the usenet coffin
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/hyPDp << see also )
mircea_popescu: is anything smaller than anglo "culture" ? i mean we're plumbing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-21#1788430 levels of tiny-ness over here.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if only merely small (like pygmy) . instead, elephantiasis , hypertrophied organ, fills wheelbarrow, but function approaches 0
mircea_popescu: this being the essence of provincialism, though, "have you heard about that guy ?" "oh, yeah, he's my wife's cousin"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, asciilifeform recently set out to write an article, and went to look for the clay shards crypto item , and found nuffin but... our l0gz
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: no mention of subj, anywhere, en net, ru net, nowhere.
asciilifeform: not the ancient clay, not the sawed-apart rifle shells from ww2, none of'em. somehow -- evaporated.
asciilifeform: briefly thought 'it's in szabo's 'seals' piece' ( https://archive.is/5GQcR ) but turns out, nope.
mircea_popescu: how did that idiocy go, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: THAT is the fucking problem, in quite those terms. that i somehow care about the morons. cuz i must, cuz i'm their mother or some dumb shit. but aaanyways.
asciilifeform: pretty surreal experience. picture if you sat down to write a piece on tanks, and decided to start with discussion of chariots, and then saw that somehow chariot is mentioned nowhere, and the very word -- forgotten
mircea_popescu: the pretense that they're people will have to be abandoned sooner or later. like all idle pretense, it is unsustainable on the long term.
mircea_popescu: "the man who marries a horse is an excentric man, not a man with a remarkable wife"
mircea_popescu: even if "she" can count to 10
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/germany-debates-starting-nuclear-weapons-program/ << Qntra - Germany Debates Starting Nuclear Weapons Program
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sets mode +r #trilema << RIP from_xxxx users...
mircea_popescu: ok so i've set r mode ; which means only registered users can join. this will directly resolve the join/part spamolade ; but in general it's quite in line with the narrowing of tolerance for self-important douchebaggery, precisely in the vein of http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-179.0 ; http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ etcetera.
asciilifeform: 'allcomers' doors are expensive.
asciilifeform: i admit i'm surprised that we were able to have one for this long.
mircea_popescu: subhumans have no business here ; let them go to whatever castles the respective lords feel like making the allowance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fromphuctors can go to what do you call yours, #loperos ?
asciilifeform: #asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: in time, if actually cool enough, can even end up invited here.
asciilifeform: i'ma fix the links shortly.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then
asciilifeform: errybody else who has similar derp gateway ( ...qntra ? ) oughta do the same.
mircea_popescu: there's also #eulora an' #pizarro and iirc mod6 had one and a whole bunch. time to put them to work
mircea_popescu stresses in any case that while precipitated by events, it's nevertheless where this was headed anyway.
asciilifeform goes back to macheteing away the fucking green hell that's engulfed his hovel
mircea_popescu: and for good reason, if one's to weigh the input of rando noobies for the past whatever arbitrary interval, weeks, months, whatever patience may endure, he'll find OODLETONS of self-important douchebaggery, perhaps most eminently exemplified by the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824361 scammer ; and ~zilch actual contributing to go with it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:44 mircea_popescu: !!pay cnomad 0.1
mircea_popescu: !!rated cnomad
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated cnomad 1 at 2018/06/12 21:46:46 << dood either ran off with my boards or else produced an image of some sort ; we don't know the future yet
mircea_popescu: !!rate cnomad -10 scammer, ran off with a dime.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZleCB/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: anyway ; none of this is intended to discourage anyone from inviting people over. but exactly as detailed in ye things have changed article, the "general population" of herbivores has lost the franchise of coming here of own power. it'll be invite only.
ben_vulpes: why even stay on freenode?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to where would you rather ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'make own fleanode' ( out of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837110 ) isn't much of a pill, the 'allcomers problem' doesn't go away merely from standing up a coupla ircd boxen☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
lobbes: The faint whisper of 'gossipd' can be heard reverberating off the halls of the forum. You are hungry. Exits: [North] [Down]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
asciilifeform: ( recall, this was the orig thrust behind constant-time rsa )
asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807079 thread )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 17:07 asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform found himself wondering, why we're still on fleanode... between pizarro, mircea_popescu's racked boxes ( idk where, but presumably good ones ? ) , asciilifeform's own fiber, trinque , etc. could have a very solid irc net, potentially
phf: asciilifeform: presumably it is still a question of strategic superiority. there's no point on wasting resources on things of little consequence. #b-a => #trilema transition happened in a couple of days, with most original infra available within a week. nothing will prevent same when fleanode is defunct, meanwhile no reason to waste any cycles on it. also act from cause
asciilifeform: phf: last thing i want on my boxes, tho, is yet another 1MB ball of c opensores publicly-tcpable liquishit.
asciilifeform: even on a dedicated leprotoilet -- it's simply unseemly.
phf: well, right, but either or. no need to erect a leprotoilet right now if at all avoidable in the future.
asciilifeform: i'd like to avoid it entirely.
mircea_popescu: lobbes you're overworked, last i checked!
asciilifeform: rather than to end up ersatzing into it from 'we now have a week to move'.
mircea_popescu: moreover phf deeply has it ; the extant mp-wp infrastructure is wartime sufficient anyways,
phf: asciilifeform: you seem to be presenting an internally conflicting argument
asciilifeform: phf: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: and while at it, the essential part of "#b-a => #trilema transition happened" isn't even so much the (very extremely never-seen-before) narrow time wondows ; but the fact that ~it very much was~ on own fucking schedule. i don't recall having to hassle anyone about anything. it was a coupla days cuz it took me a coupla days, and it was a week because it took trinque, phf & gang a week.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rechanneling inside fleanode is much smaller undertaking than baking a reasonable substitute for whole item tho
mircea_popescu: i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: same administrative/front end. what do you care whose ircd you run ?
phf: asciilifeform: well, we don't have a gossipd, so our only move option is to take steps towards gossipd or leprotoilet. "i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule" exists at odds with both. it seems to ask for "faster gossipd" or "leprotoilet" now, hence at odds.
asciilifeform: phf: i was referring to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839467 variant.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it -- even if fleanode unplugged tonight, we can still speak. it'll simply be temporary headache.
mircea_popescu: gotta permit fate to speak. for all you know we mgiht discover we didn't even like irc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, asciilifeform was initially a very reluctant user of irc.
mircea_popescu: as unlikely as it seems ; and it does seem. waves are the result of earth's existence, and the only way to conquer resistance of the medium is to make it work for you.
mircea_popescu: in any case, gotta let things like fiction characters play out their own life story.
asciilifeform was very much a 'real time speech is for lamers' type, prior to hanbot's instigation
asciilifeform will bbl -- meat
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: whole thing adds exactly nothing practically speaking.
mircea_popescu: but i want to fully realise the republican advantage over the pantsuit morons. this situation where #trilema is safe "and so are their chans" is overt socialism redistributing goods from us to the moronherd.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/08/04/a-collection-of-pearls-as-well-as-ever-sadder-epitaphs/ << Ossasepia - A Collection of Pearls as Well as Ever Sadder Epitaphs
mod6: BingoBoingo: any news on the drive shipment?
BingoBoingo: mod6: They are still waiting to get cleared
mod6: thx