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asciilifeform: patching the 'biomass' can only produce moar of same mass
asciilifeform: ( some time, with barf bag prepared in advance, take a peek at what e.g. 'xchat' consists of. )
trinque: accidental complexity of irc plus accidental complexity of gtk or w/e, cum socks galore
asciilifeform: trinque: i've yet to encounter the hypothetical marvel where pile of opensores reads other than like e.g. gcc, i.e. tumour mass.
trinque: really it's times, isn't it, not "plus"
asciilifeform: 'raised to power'
asciilifeform: ( the items which seem like exception -- e.g. gnat, where -- at least the ada part -- is almost readable -- to date were products of small group of actually organized effort , rather than 'esr's bazar' or whatnot )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or was it "rough consensus" << Sulphide rich consensus
asciilifeform: trinque: ever try, btw, to write a proggy for gtk ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no, i know.
asciilifeform: gtk itself is quite a... mass
asciilifeform to his sorrow, tried
trinque: asciilifeform: no, but toiled once inside a yuge Qt beast
asciilifeform: this tried also
asciilifeform: 2 different qt's ('3' and '4') even
asciilifeform: horrendous thing. even introduces ~nonstandard extension to cpp~, w/ own preprocessor
trinque: only one preprocessor, must be poor.
trinque: in other poverties, ripping out the threadism in deedbot
trinque: about to stand up the newly muntzed item in #trinque for a bit before swap
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why asciilifeform regularly returns to mircea_popescu's (unwritten, but 'between the lines') dictum where 'the only people who have any biznis writing progs, is folx who never program'
asciilifeform: paradox, on the surface, but perhaps still true
trinque: people who think for a living oughtn't dull themselves with programming
asciilifeform: !qs best machine is no machine
snsabot: 13 results for "best machine is no machine" in #trilema
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
auctionbot: Buy order # 1056 has ENDED: 1209 Wired Filthy Fiats, WU is fine but not preferred SOLD by trinque for 131mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
asciilifeform searches for that 'errybody has a finite N loc in'em before 'black lung'' thread, but cannot presently find.
trinque: wew
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to gpg instructions
asciilifeform meanwhile found; was in era 1 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-05 04:47 asciilifeform: as a student, i was once told by a greybeard: 'you're young, but know that you have X lines of code in you. after that - log cabin.'
asciilifeform brb:meat.
BingoBoingo: trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/t01HD/?raw=true
trinque: ack
BingoBoingo: Let me know which one you pick
trinque: former, since it has worked before
trinque: BingoBoingo: bombs away
BingoBoingo: Aite
BingoBoingo: trinque: GPG me the tracking number and I'll retreive it in the morning
trinque: BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9XkTR/?raw=true
trinque: possibru also present in your mail inbox
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty
BingoBoingo: But no, they never mail me
trinque: !!v 0CADCCC6AE836C361C46B7343E94B06C25DCE0C8D65ED700671A5A9637F91BDA
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.131 << for auction 1056
trinque: feel free to settle ^ with cash in hand tomorrow
BingoBoingo: !!pay-invoice trinque 14
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oX5Bg/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!v B040F21B8626A94CFAD0A47EC17C066117959BFFF75215380BD3C89A1F052B40
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid trinque invoice 14
trinque: ty
BingoBoingo: np
BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: And "blue" rates on the dollar are starting to make it into papers. "Dólar Banco Nación 59, dólar blue 64"
asciilifeform: 'convertible ruble'!1111
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in aging and oxidation https://i.imgur.com/MR6r9hp.jpg
feedbot: http://trinque.org/2019/09/02/quetiapine/ << trinque -- Quetiapine
trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933263 <-- imo this oughta happen when irc bot returns from recv, a la http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930111 ; cl-irc oughta expose some event for when connection is abruptly ended, so that ircbot reconnects from there
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:21:45 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933151 << how do I know when to reconnect if I do this?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 12:35:01 asciilifeform: spyked: mine disconnects strictly when a send() or recv() actually return eggog (i.e. indicating dead tcp pipe)
spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
spyked: (possibly because the call is not done on the main thread? I didn't look into it further than that, tbh)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933268 << this is quite likely. but, you know, ideally after some more specwork.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933270 << right.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:40:29 trinque: yes, but then, eh?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933272 << tru!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:41:13 asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.
spyked: mircea_popescu, woah, huge response. it's gonna take me a while to process, currently stuck in saecular swamps. but I promise to get to it the first thing once I free my attention
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 23:26:40 trinque: well, there's one kidney stone down, plenty more to go.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:25:12 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 <-- technically speaking ircbot can act the part of an irc client, just not sure how easy it is to write a ui (whether text or graphical) on top of that
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 20:09:12 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...
mircea_popescu: imo if tryina weld irc client atop ircbot, one should simply gut and re-use screen util.
mircea_popescu: (inb4 "but mp, obvious solution is emacs")
spyked: hm. would require doing tty stuff a la termios, and I expect (haven't looked, tho) the existing cl code for that is cffing to ncurses, which... ugh.
spyked: then again, there's http://verisimilitudes.net/2018-04-04 , iirc the verisimilitudes fella was hanging out in #asciilifeform at some point
mircea_popescu: i wasn't necessarily implying cl ; screen is iirc c
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in anthropologically interesting documentary phootage, superaccurate depiction of pre-porn eeuropean teenager sexual activity.
mircea_popescu: this kinda paralysed pululation's exactly what they did, in the days of yore.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-12 11:44:19 asciilifeform: even on asciilifeform's home planet, good chunk of marriages were 'soft-arranged' -- i.e. 'comrade colonel, you have a bachelor son, i have a ripe daughter' 'comrade lt colonel, let's box'em in a room, wainot'
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-01#1933103 << I don't want to overcomplicate things, but what about having two bots, one who listens and puts things in the DB and another who talks?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 17:42:25 asciilifeform: bots presently are stuck 'manually' writing down own outputs .
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933348 << nah, just talking about the blockages in my skull. going to keep putting out these weirdo pieces for a bit.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:06:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933331 << o holy shit, you got those ?
trinque bares his teeth as he realizes he needs to introduce his devices better!
trinque: until later #t
asciilifeform: PeterL: prolly worst possible use for 'two bots'. the anti-oscillation logic will be longer than my bot itself in entirety
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933350 << 'irssi' worked very similarly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:09:49 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933332 << why should text mode be troublematic ? i would not even mind an irc client that works ~like screen, have a main window for each channel and then ctrl-a number to toggle etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 06:10:51 mircea_popescu: (inb4 "but mp, obvious solution is emacs")
asciilifeform: i dun irc in it, or read www, or compose music, or...
PeterL: I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933339 - I read it but I'm still thinking of it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 05:54:11 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131245 news, the list of random innocents dragged in by nomination extends to also trinque diana_coman leaving aside the explicitly unnamed.
diana_coman: PeterL: what are you doing those days?
PeterL: I was pretty lazy over the summer, camping with the fam, etc. I have not done much constructive lately.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 09:57:41 PeterL: I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
asciilifeform: incl. N=1 case.
diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
PeterL: I don't mean two full bots, I mean split the function of your bot into two, so you sould have, e.g. snsabot-listener who never talks, just puts lines in the DB, and when somebody quotes something then snsabot-talker reads it out
asciilifeform: PeterL: what does this win?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'd tell him to implement it, run it and document the results; he'll figure out what you are saying much faster that way + he'll learn something from it at least.
PeterL: that way you know the things you said actually went out over the line
asciilifeform: PeterL: ben_vulpes & trinque's orig bot actually worked this way. from the added complexity of multithread, had other problems entirely.
asciilifeform: i agree w/ diana_coman tho -- try it yerself
asciilifeform: PeterL: if you do, will learn, that moving parts have a cost -- even if they're invisible, mass-less, and supposedly 'phree'
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933337 << spyked et al: i am finding this thread a puzzler. here's why :
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 04:31:17 spyked: in any case, for some reason the current reconnect call from ircbot "ping-thread" never worked for me, it only disconnects, but never comes back to life.
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 17d 23h 52m
asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?! ☟︎
asciilifeform: why??
asciilifeform: why not puzzle over an actual open problem ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-01 18:22:51 asciilifeform: diana_coman: appears to work. we're gonna want an algo , tho, that doesn't resolve to 'throw out my db if outta sync and eat the other's' imho .
asciilifeform meanwhile enjoyed trinque's piece + thread .
diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
asciilifeform waves to diana_coman
diana_coman: fwiw I don't think that's MP's point at all.
diana_coman: i.e. not http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131256
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i suspect he has >1 point, but that this indeed was 1 of'em. but i expect he'll clarify, i'ma refrain from guessing.
asciilifeform: meanwhile : BingoBoingo : the crate with the 1u chassis's is here.
BingoBoingo: Nice
asciilifeform: btw diana_coman actually #20 contains mistake, in temp mirrors 1st set up 'nginx' as in older system, then 'apache' to compare whether made diff in re performance (it did not) . ( putting this here, rather than to spam mp's www with 9000 errata comments.. )
asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
mircea_popescu: holy shit i can't keep up here.
mircea_popescu: by the time i pen a comment another 5 are in there, and then the log scrolls and omgwtfbbq
mircea_popescu is firmly committed to getting to it all though
asciilifeform: i'ma stfu and give mircea_popescu the needed air atm
asciilifeform will try an' work through mircea_popescu's sicilian proverbs
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it's a song afaik lolz.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i see it nao, but i eat slowly, lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's luna mezzu mare, the saltarelle they play for weddings
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall you had another similar , sumthing like 'da-mi mama dupa Iura'
mircea_popescu: that'd be ro
asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
mircea_popescu: it is!
asciilifeform: more so than e.g fr/sp
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: or even swede vs norsk
mircea_popescu: that i dunno
asciilifeform: in related funnies, icelandic is hammer-compatible w/ chaucer's engl.
asciilifeform: ( picture english, but supposing it hadn't lost its declensions )
asciilifeform once worked through a collection of icelandic tales, by third ch was approx as edible as current engl
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
mircea_popescu: NOTICE HOW ONE IS OUT OF TIME, TOO!
asciilifeform: sumbody send him a rubidium clock!1111
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933370 << i was being sarcastic!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 09:56:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933354 << am i the only habitual emacs user who never wanted to do anyffin other than ~editing text~ in it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc ) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i knew some back in the day also.
asciilifeform deliberately does not, sticks strictly to ~writing~ in it, that way also less distracted when doing so
mircea_popescu: eg, guy maintaining the server where i was pico-ing my email in the 90s, kept wanting to get me to emacs.
mircea_popescu: uhm. s/pico/pine/
asciilifeform: pico may as well ~= pine imho
asciilifeform: same authors, iirc, ~same knobs.
mircea_popescu: yes but historical accuracy
asciilifeform for many, many yrs -- used pine ! and when moved from last flat in fact threw out a crt with pine screen burned into the phosphor.
mircea_popescu: heh
diana_coman: ha, pine ~= highschool email!
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
diana_coman: yeeee
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i used it all the way to the last day when the university shut down their unix cluster and expelled all 'zombies' who were still connected. which -- ~decade after graduating -- still included asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933381 << this is precisely the case ; do me a favour and move out of here to whatever lords' castle that'll have you on your own power so i don't have to strap on my tool belt and do it in a more permanent fashio,
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:00:29 diana_coman: PeterL: well, you'd be better off doing and learning rather than popping up every now and again with suggestions only so that then people also have to explain stuff to you for no clear result otherwise.
asciilifeform: re ^ PeterL i recommend #a .
asciilifeform: ( a surprisingly well-populated штрафбат . and asciilifeform makes an effort to read its log and reply 2-3x / daily )
mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc was only in the #t log
mircea_popescu: that's a pity
asciilifeform: was iirc a pre-cuntoo attempt to cuntoo. but unfortunately not publicly given in detail .
BingoBoingo: This one? http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/
asciilifeform also 'pre-cuntoo cuntoo', and pc ver. of same ; with the assoc. headaches elaborately described in the log.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-02 09:56:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think that was it !
mircea_popescu: a damn, that's why i wasn't finding it on her blog -- cuz it was on mine
mircea_popescu: tyvm BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:06:19 asciilifeform: re 'postgres' vs 'mysql' -- afaik they're entirely compatible, such as they are used in my item, with the exceptions of: 1) table indices 2) dump format.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in fact (and apropos of your 'but it Will!! break if planets unalign' comment, incidentally) it shits forth not only iso sql , but proprietary oddities
mircea_popescu: argh
asciilifeform: i have not fully vivisected'em , cannot presently say whether 'eh just filter'em out' would work .
mircea_popescu: it's just...
asciilifeform: aat least it doesn't try to stuff the indices into the dump.
asciilifeform: ( which would make it GB+ and consisting largely of machine barf. i almost expected to discover that it ~does~ when wrote )
BingoBoingo: The SQL in mysql and the sql in postgresql are different enough to not have portability without headbashing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i used only standard sql in my proggies -- with the exception of indices (where there is no standard mechanism, grrrr)
BingoBoingo: This is all fine and good, but Mysql has some thing outside the standard and those things appear to be what makes it the M in LAMP. Postgre may have usecases, but if you want to blog bloggin happens into mysql
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well imho (and in disagreement with mircea_popescu) blogging includes search box. which is why my wp runs on pg.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Does it include search box for you or for all comers?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as you can see on my www -- allcomers. just like in e.g. phuctor.
asciilifeform: it's cheap.
asciilifeform: cuz properly indexed.
BingoBoingo: Is it actually cheap or is it cheap because NFS is weird
asciilifeform: search boxes ~save~ cpu cycles, folx who insist on searching otherwise wget -m ... . whereas why not let'em search .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phuctor lives on actual box, same as the logotron.
BingoBoingo: I mean the blog
asciilifeform: blog still lives on starvation heathen host, for nao.
asciilifeform still investigating to-where move
asciilifeform: point being, a search box query costs approx same as ordinary page load.
asciilifeform: it doesn't walk anywhere near entire data set.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, afaik mp-wp takes postgres out of the box
mircea_popescu: then again, this was last tested (and true) ~decade ago
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is no place for nginx in the world
mircea_popescu: was it you that had a near death experience with the thing ?
mircea_popescu: i recall someone did
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and asciilifeform together, when attempted the collective php blog system on same
asciilifeform: ( found out that there is no working equiv. of 'mod-php' for ngx )
mircea_popescu: ah yes
BingoBoingo: Nor any easy equivalent to .htaccess
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile the GB switch crate is here !
BingoBoingo: because nginx paradigm is BACKWARDS
mircea_popescu: keks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very good news!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nginx was an old heathen attempt to 'trb treatment' of apache by 'cut all the pieces i dun use' -- of 1 particular user.
BingoBoingo: "You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you
mircea_popescu: iirc this is so
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And then he proceeded to routinely make wild obfuscated C changes to ngix citing "optimization"
BingoBoingo: And "performance"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw i've never succeeded in detecting a performance diff b/w the 2 (in the use scenario where they can be interchanged)
asciilifeform: so i suspect the 'optimizations'(tm)(r) more than made up for whatever was gained in the orig. cut.
asciilifeform: re 'htaccess' tho, imho the cut was correct, 'deny errything but what is explicitly permitted in the config' is the Right Thing, rather than 'make user specify per-dir'
BingoBoingo: But that is not at all where .htaccess utility comes from.
BingoBoingo: THe .htaccess utility is in much of the most important config needs being directory or file specific
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm aware that it is also used as a kludge to 'naggum's bulldozer' over broken www proggies .
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-09 11:45:35 asciilifeform: re 'why would anyone think to use threads' -- this is not mega-puzzle. naggum described similar situation in the bulldozer essay. imbecile sees an obstacle, reaches for the most obvious available power tool that seems to push aside the obstacle; without giving half a shit what's behind it, woods, swamp, mountain, or where the earth he pushed aside will go, and how it might interact with him later, etc
mircea_popescu: he has a point there.
mircea_popescu: "unix" files and linux files are entirely different ; the whole linux fs is really www tronics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually linux's fs is quite poor match for www case (think -- or else 'htaccess' kludge would not seem necessary)
BingoBoingo: I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
mircea_popescu: im not saying it's good fit ; i'm saying it was built around it.
asciilifeform: linux file permission model is a joak even in comparison to microshit's, fwiw
asciilifeform: ( who hasn't blown entire weekend on 'grr should this /tmp/barf be chown apache:apache or apache:foo or...' ? )
mircea_popescu: me lol
BingoBoingo used to blow hours, now usually only blows minutes when they happen
BingoBoingo: Still, gotta go to war with the arms available as nice as it may be to got to war instead with the arms in the development lab
BingoBoingo: 's funding request narrative
asciilifeform: oblig re subj, for aficionados.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933449 - there isn't one; it's only irc logs, sadly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:00:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131257 diana_coman , where's the article detailing the time we attempted to amber linux over it breaking eulora compile process ? is there one even ?
diana_coman: ah, hm, there is yours; I just knew *I* didn't write one on the topic.
mircea_popescu: aha
diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
diana_coman: and they are all "economists"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
BingoBoingo: lol, when the locals ask me for my opinion of their "pagina de web" my first recommendation is the that to get more recommendations they need to cut their page load time down from minutes to seconds.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, nice how that works, huh.
diana_coman: I suppose in time there'll be plenty more similar stuff that I should have written about but what can I do *now* about it - there's still plenty waiting in the queue to be done, yet more to be written and both queues seem to get only longer, a bit balaur-style, cut one head and 2 pop out
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, anyway, i suppose the thing to do is point out to the dorks in question that really there's no need nor any space for their self aferations, drop the shit and go younghands instead.
mircea_popescu: "you'll be an economist when i tell you you're an economist, now go do the dishes"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's an idea though in fairness I can't say I'd *want* them; so far I just kept pointing out precisely that a. learn to write also when you use something, not only when you need something b. send me those other data sets and then who knows
asciilifeform: btw in re http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/#comment-131271 -- i have no objection if someone would like to put the proposition to a -- announced or otherwise -- torture test
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/ << Qntra -- Another Open BMC Bung: Virtual USB Open To Anywhere
mircea_popescu: bung ? lol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/09/another-open-bmc-bung-virtual-usb-open-to-anywhere/#comment-137293
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the age commanded that we sing, but then cut off our tongues... the age commanded that we flow, but hammered in the bung!'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: it makes sense though, it was bungled in the bunghole
asciilifeform fughets where this were, was iirc some sad brit
asciilifeform: found! not, turns out , brit. was mr.2barrels.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933524 << i still get mails re various old how-to's . ~never anyffin moar interesting than 'it didn't work for me! hulp!' tho
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:42:07 diana_coman: in other unrelated stuff: I keep getting emails from Romanians that use those bac data sets but a. it's only and exclusively when they *need* something more/else and b. they somehow never seem to notice that they could also offer what other data sets they have to add there; GRRR
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: ~100% of the time , complainer's hands were found to grow from arse )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933526 << thinking about this -- prolly my sad mips belongs on the list of these attempts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 16:44:37 diana_coman: mircea_popescu: re the repo von minigame approach I searched a bit more and the starting point I think is possibly http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2016-09-30#922530 but sadly the concrete madness seems to have never made it fully into public view
ossabot: Logged on 2016-09-30 10:25:26 diana_coman: it sounds like we should mirror them ; probably/possibly a bunch of packages for each distro at the end of the day, sigh
asciilifeform: ^ hm mircea_popescu , do you think bots oughta ignore outputs of bots ? ( i deliberately did not, as specifically requested in mircea_popescu's spec ; but it would be a trivial change )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> bung ? lol << You know, like a barrel of fun
asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform's logotron kit takes list of other-bots in config file. these are used atm strictly in www displayer's colouration ( grey, a la phf's )
mircea_popescu: fun over the barrel, moar like it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's a recurring topic, but no, let them read each other.
mircea_popescu: this way people can unravel chains if they want to, or not. in any case, if we decide we hate it eventually easy enough to tunr off
asciilifeform: aite then.
asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:31:50 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933557
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:32:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
asciilifeform: pass!
mircea_popescu: worked befoar yea
asciilifeform: ^ exercise for reader : why this works ?
asciilifeform: ( in re:. )
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:14:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933373 << situation where N bots sequentially trigger one another, in a circle, is prohibited
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 09:57:41 PeterL: I'm not sure I understand what you mean "anti-oscillation logic" and why you would need it?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933560
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933557
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:32:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556 http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933556
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:16:18 asciilifeform: let's test the corner case btw:
mircea_popescu: keks.
asciilifeform: this is proper tho. ( not oscillator. )
mircea_popescu: also i believe longest chain on record.
asciilifeform: can make any finite-length chain you like.
asciilifeform: ( observe that neither bot was 'thrown for flood' )
mircea_popescu: ;peetty cool
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: take it easy, this isn't supposed to be enjoyable.
asciilifeform: lol heh
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, the tower o'shit for bot.py is only slightly shorter than for reader.py ( yea no 'flask' -- but dozen other similars )
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: btw i dun recall if mentioned this, but it is possible to bake the bot in sumthing that doesn't know about pg, but only knows how to socket. ( i.e. if one were to move the 'insert new line' into reader , and have the latter take a http 'put' on 127.0.0.1 for same )
asciilifeform: i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
asciilifeform: previously had c<->pg glue in it .
asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
asciilifeform: ( observe that search knob already worx by passing command to reader )