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asciilifeform: ( why asciilifeform did not do this in the original ? answr -- because wanted to make the bot independent of reader, so could restart the latter , for cosmetic fiddles, w/out risking to lose lines )
asciilifeform: reader, to date, restarted 100+ times , and no one noticed. ( bot -- iirc 3 . )
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933440 << as for me, it's just cheaper than zeroing my work and starting over. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:34 asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
trinque: (connected from same box as deedbot too)
trinque: if we get to a week's uptime I'll update deedbot
trinque sits down to eat rest of log
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-09-03 17:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but iirc there's folx who live 100% in emacs. ( trinque iirc )
trinque: thing's brittle
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933459 << oh yeah, plenty of divergences in the dump formats, "standards process" and everything.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:14:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933406 << this can't fucking be, they all must dump sql ffs, wtf.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:50:45 BingoBoingo: "You can’t do this. You shouldn’t. If you need .htaccess, you’re probably doing it wrong." << Fuck you
trinque: "but it lets tenants configure" runs aground on "there exists no multitenant OS"
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933511 << lighttpd and nginx both support life config reloading, not so.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 15:56:18 BingoBoingo: I mean the other alternative is lighttpd's "config lives until process restarts"
trinque: not that I have a favorite in either.
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933579 << god please no; I want to see gossipd before I'm dead.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:28:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's depressing thread makes me want to rewrite the bot nao tho. ( taking suggestions re in-what... )
trinque: asciilifeform: anyway I decoupled the protocol from the backend services on mine, but used deeb for the decoupling. intent was to be resilient to new tmsr~ chat protocols emerging
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:39:00 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933497 << actually I fail to see the merit of sprinkling configuration throughout the filesystem, such that you can't interrogate the whole state of the webserver in a single place.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/to-ohio-and-back-again-a-photo-journey-with-cat-pics/ << lobbesblog -- To Ohio and back again: a photo journey (with cat pics)
mircea_popescu: \http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/e25cdd47fad095a028165e3b44d5dd85?s=632&d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gravatar.com%2Favatar%2Fad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536%3Fs%3D32&r=X << wtf is this then
mircea_popescu first read "i hope to share that bedroom with you", was a little scared. then re-read and all was well, sure, let's share all the boredom in the world.
spyked: lol, where's that from? looks like shot from "ren and stimpy", old '90s cartoon
mircea_popescu: spyked, trinque 's avatar
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in holy shit breakage : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ contains the pics of my slut, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/letscallhershm.jpg ; they're formatted in the manner trilema formats pictures ; yet mysql can not find any article including it!
mircea_popescu: i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
mircea_popescu: all this because i'm looking for the footnote with that other slut on high heels butt-smiling at the camera to add to my comment on lobbes' article, though of course i can't find THAT, either.
mircea_popescu: one day ima find something and retire.
mircea_popescu: and in ongoing regexp lulz : "i am sure it was an image ~in a footnote~" "oh, ok then, WHERE `post_content` LIKE '%((%.jpg%%))%'" "mno, that only looks for pics after a footnote opener and before a footnote closer, not necessarily of the same footnote. it'll include all pics in an article with at least two footnotes, pretty much." "fuck"
mircea_popescu: neways, ima call it good on steph kegels' excellent library slutout. which, incidentally, is one of the best training videos i know of. chick's got that ATTITUDE.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:36:55 asciilifeform: in principle could then have a mircea_popescu-style php reader, and e.g ada bot .
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 20:34:57 asciilifeform: i actually did very similar thing in phuctor ( the 'werker', c proggy that uses multiple cpu ) as of '16 does not need to know about pg, it talks to the frontend via ordinary http
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:34:37 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-09-03#1933478 << recently I torched my whole wad of elisp, got fed up with setting the dials on someone else's machine "just so" and calling the "just so" mine.
mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in a very theoretical principled view of the matter, "everyone drops it after sinking work into it for years" is a fine definition of evil.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933611 << trilema uses it plenty ; file's like 50 lines
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 00:51:38 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933601 << i agree fwiw. i dun use 'htaccess' on own boxen and don't intend to .
mircea_popescu: url rewriting and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the important part here. rewriting (as the math concept) is an important (really, the only) function of the numeric machines we have. ~only utility. and .htaccess kludge is an ad-hoc but well specified rewrite engine for the assorted glue (ad hoc and unspecified) needed to www.
mircea_popescu: if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933393 <-- no headbashing involved, man asked a legit q about ircbot (which still runs some of the bots here) and I answered the best I can
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 10:33:21 asciilifeform: ^ not only worx, but i posted not only proggy, but full explanation of algo, here. and yet folx ~still~ bashing heads over 'pinger threads' and other ???! epicycles?!
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933417 <-- afaik sardinian close as well, possibly even closer. some ppl say romansch also, but I listened to some and only got about 20% of it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:01:17 asciilifeform: strangely sicilian seems almost plug-compatible with ro (sorta like those old sovok rocket connectors, 'only gotta hammer it once and the pins will bend...' )
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933398 <-- lol, I thought it had went down again when I saw this, got me alarmed there for a moment.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 13:08:20 diana_coman: aww, feedbot can't seem to keep up with the pace of trilema comments, lol
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 <-- I've found emacs useful for exactly one thing over the years: plugging "w3m" browser into it, which aids copy-pasting lines and posting comments on blogs when in terminal. other than that, /me also stopped chasing this particular wild goose about a year ago
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:52:04 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
mircea_popescu: spyked, yeah, that was mikec
mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933610 << bvt i will comment on this when i get a chance to eat it properly
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 00:38:55 feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/09/linux-kernel-genesis-and-early-entropy-users/ << bvt's backtrace -- Linux kernel: genesis and early entropy users
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933621 << it isn't impossible, iirc mircea_popescu had a sql oops coupla yrs ago (but i thought was fully restored?)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 04:33:18 mircea_popescu: i'm like 99% sure i published this, what the fuck, did some trilema articles vanish ?!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933626 << can't think of why it wouldn't work; but you would get tight coupling (i.e. suddenly possible for logger to miss lines if www serv is overwhelmed , or lagging, or otherwise inoperable )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:02 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933588 << this might work
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:07 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933597 << fwis most people do this, 5 to 15 years in.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933632 << i'ma move from emacs to 21st c. lispm. or, to grave. tertium non datur.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:36:32 mircea_popescu: imo this makes emacs/elisp a poisonous pitfall, but not quite confident enough yet to make much noise about it.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933638 << i know how it is used; but imho it is 'naggum's bulldozer'. i.e. solved problems that ought not to occur to begin with
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:40:36 mircea_popescu: if calling an url is compilation htaccess does the preprocessing
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933645 << dead as of '16 iirc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 08:57:46 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933426 <-- speaking of which, I notice there's a feed in there, btcalpha.com, which consistently clogs up the bot. I'm guessing the site it points to is long dead, shall I remove it?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 14:06:42 mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ti4kZ/?raw=true << feedbot scrollback, keks
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933628 << exactly why i split the logotron kit into standalone parts.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 05:34:47 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933586 << in any case disintegration is probably the road towards manageability of software
asciilifeform: btw iirc lobbes has an experimental ver w/ sqlite.
asciilifeform brb:teatime
asciilifeform: diana_coman: logotron page updated with your seals and link to your recipe !
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thank you for reading, signing, baking mirror, writing cookbook; a+++
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nice, thank you!
asciilifeform: and incidentally diana_coman is the all-time champ for 'read & eat asciilifeform's worx' atm !
diana_coman: heh, I can recommend this sort of eating - keeps one lean and alert!!
asciilifeform: hm lobbes did i leave out your sig ? i could've sworn there was one. plox to link if so.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933653 <-- dun dun dun! --> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hSKfI/?raw=true
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 10:26:15 mircea_popescu: actually, let's see the list of feeds you got, prolly time for a review
diana_coman: huh, I don't even recall what fr.anco.is was
asciilifeform: davout
diana_coman: yes, just saw it; with last post in Jan 2017.
spyked bbl, publishing this month's report and then out to meat chores
asciilifeform: davout went awol 2+ y ago iirc. (though his site, like e.g that of esthlos , still up )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes also last post 1+y ago
asciilifeform: phf's -- nov. '18
asciilifeform: jurov's -- feb of '19
asciilifeform: mocky's -- ditto
asciilifeform: mikec has been dead for the entirety of 'era 2' .
asciilifeform: spyked: errybody else on the list, is actively alive.
asciilifeform: ( the only stone-dead link, is mikec )
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/09e-tmsr-work-v.html << The Tar Pit -- TMSR work: plan for 2019 M9, and a very brief discussion
asciilifeform: spyked: 'I still haven't genesized The Tar Pit; by the way, is there anyone else out there interested in using it?' << me. i'ma be moving my www and quite interested in all approaches to de-php-izing . and you have imho a++ visual coat on yours.
asciilifeform: ( would need at least the comment knob tho, as i understand it is presently missing )
mircea_popescu: spyked, wow look at that. okay, so btcalpha, anco.is, esthlos.com can all come off.
mircea_popescu: !q s barksinthewind
mircea_popescu: !q help
snsabot: 48 results for "barksinthewind" in #trilema
snsabot: mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime
mircea_popescu: so long ago i even forgot who the fuck it was
mircea_popescu: spyked, barksinthewind.com too
mircea_popescu: jurov, you intend to start blogging or taking that off also ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: not anytime soon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did anyone ever find out where esthlos went ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile: BingoBoingo : 1st crate of rk's is here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, nope
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty for the update
mircea_popescu: spyked, explo.yt off the list also thus
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933619 << yep, ren of ren&stimpy fame, from the Space Madness episode
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 04:32:57 mircea_popescu: spyked, trinque 's avatar
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933649 << patch is already in my hopper, just watching the testbot for a day or two longer. still connected btw.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 09:03:11 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933613 <-- ftr, this is also on my list if trinque doesn't get to it first.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 01:08:06 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-03#1933593 << consider to publish vpatch ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-03 21:10:06 trinque: ftr, test bot has been connected continuously in #trinque since the other day, looks nipped
trinque: ^ possibly want to ignore /log/$knownChan instead of domain-prefixed
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933660 << still emacs+exwm, just with init.el of maybe 100-200 lines
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 11:18:03 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933630 << 1st time i hear of such a thing. trinque what are you using instead nao ?
trinque: not using it for irc, mail, teledildonics
asciilifeform: trinque: aa, so you jettisoned some scriptolade, rather than emacs per se. i misread.
asciilifeform cleans his erry yr or so
trinque: yeah, trying to avoid the "chairs stacked just so" life
asciilifeform: imho there's pretty wide spectrum b/w 'knife sharpened just-so' and 'chairs stacked just-so'
asciilifeform: oblig. old lolcat re subj.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-04#1933716 << ignore where ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-04 14:55:03 trinque: ^ possibly want to ignore /log/$knownChan instead of domain-prefixed
trinque: the bots are triggering each other on logline quotes
asciilifeform: trinque: per mircea_popescu's spec, it aint a bug. ( and to switch it off, imho The Right Thing is simply to look against list of bots )
asciilifeform: the logotron kit takes list of known bots (past, present) in config , already, for the www displayer
asciilifeform: re emacs scriptolade -- really gotta keep it clean, for, if nuffin else -- the fact that it uses a 1970s style lisp where 'stop-the-world gc' is in use , not really meant for heaviweight programmatism
asciilifeform: trinque: do you know, perchance, whatever happened to the 'climacs' people ?
asciilifeform: was gabriel_laddel the last 1 of these alive ?
asciilifeform: 'climacs' seems to be one of those 'cursed' items where errybody who touches it ends up lost to madness
trinque: no idea; my only real brush with them was gl
trinque: imho impolite that he didn't even post a picture of a stump before leaving
asciilifeform: trinque: possibly simply died
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all 16 rk's are here nao.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very nice! Let the assembling commence!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ps not in yet .
asciilifeform: expected in ~week .
BingoBoingo: Well, at least things are in places
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: thing will run on a conventional atx (1u) ps , incidentally.
BingoBoingo: nice
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/illinois-police-department-child-groomer-arrested-for-child-porn/ << Qntra -- Illinois: Police Department Child Groomer Arrested For Child Porn
BingoBoingo: In other news, it looks like Europe and North America can get back to fake "plastic recyling" exports: "El cambio que el líder PRO imprimió a la vieja orden Nº 181/1992, que por entonces habilitaba a la importación de basura de otros países y que generó un escándalo por la aparición de residuos nucleares en el gobierno de Menem, pasó tan solo por un artículo: según trabajadores de la Economía Popular y ambient
BingoBoingo: alistas, la modificación “flexibiliza el debido control ecológico”, librando a la Argentina a transformarse en un país receptor de basura peligrosa como la nuclear, proveniente de Europa y otras regiones."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: update : turns out the particular iron dun weld very well. i'ma use pneumatic riveter like normal people, with these.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: it's how traditional pc chassis gets its mb legs. so imho oughta suffice.
asciilifeform for next go-around , perhaps will get sheet metal bending machine and may as well make the 1u cages from sheets also.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the off-the-shelf selection for these is annoyingly limited (and expensive) imho
asciilifeform: in the early days, iirc mircea_popescu scoffed that 'spending fat dough to fly steel sheets' but they're in fact the magick ingredient that gets the internals through orc customs .
BingoBoingo: Just remember the tolerances for fitting 1U case in rack isn't too forgiving.
asciilifeform: indeed
asciilifeform: tho 'short' is generally curable
asciilifeform: ( simply use longer screw. )
asciilifeform: at any rate it aint as if i dun have a 19" rack here to test-fit'em in