tmsr - Log 2019-09-02

mircea_popescu: speaking of "consequences of bad software", the mars polar lander is suspiciously never mentioned.

feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/09/02/peso-watch-end-augustopen-september/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch: End August/Open September

spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932832 <-- hm. when I debugged feedbot, 1st thing I checked was how precisely it disconnects; found out that it was the ping-thread consistently calling ircbot-reconnect, which means that it timed out, i.e. [http://coad.thetarpit.org/feedbot/ircbot/c-ircbot.lisp.html#L91][ircbot-handle-pong

ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-31 21:33:22 trinque: btw, spyked did you actually have a theory whereby my irc bot sits doing w/e for so long it doesn't respond to pings in time?

spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)

spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:39:29 spyked: ohey, just noticed ossabot standing in #spyked, ty diana_coman!

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/09/macri-begins-implementing-capital-controls-as-foreign-currency-reserves-exhaust/ << Qntra -- Macri Begins Implementing Capital Controls As Foreign Currency Reserves Exhaust

BingoBoingo: ^ The pretense lasted a full 21 days before they went to to being retarded in the ways they were before. New boss, same as they old boss.

BingoBoingo: And yet the derps protest "But Buenos Aires is so clean! Buenos Aires has a METRO!"; I counter protest they've gutted and crippled every industry they tried to the point all they do is groom each other an ride the metro.

BingoBoingo: If you're going to sell a groom each other economy, the main streets better look clean.

mircea_popescu: nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare.

BingoBoingo: The Montevideans are just butthurt actually trying to build a metro on in the local basalt would bankrupt anyone.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nor is it clean, in any sense. it's so fulla garbage as only india can compare. << Uruguay looks filthier than it ought to because the "Banco Provision Social" levies taxes on contructions and building work. Counted among these taxed works is... PAINTING

mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.

mircea_popescu: are you fucking kidding me ? there's no place in europe or the us, or mexico or fucking anywhere nearly as filthy,

mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,

BingoBoingo: The latinos appear to make their claim off of the area near the obelisk which they conveniently have pictures of.

mircea_popescu: it is not true re area around obelisk. i lived there, for like a year, literally on the block 1 of corrientes, within 50m of the actual obelisk.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So get ready for the punchline. The ground is NOT in their pictures!

mircea_popescu: i suppose the air is cleaner than in, say, bogota. on account of all of argentina having less industry than bogota.

BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"

BingoBoingo: Because the filters would cost something like ~500 USD per bus and the current Fat Forehead cardboard artist regime would rather derp about "all electric any time nao"

mircea_popescu: and then the electricity, they're gonna make on coal fired plants or what.

BingoBoingo: Right now Uruguay's a hyrdro country with some wind wank. There's rivers here. There's no coal though, only basalt. Finns recently committed to pulping the Eucalyptus.

BingoBoingo: Finns also brought a "We're free to walk away from the pulp mill at any time" clause in their development contract.

BingoBoingo: Also preliminary inqueries suggest the Argentines looking to escape into Uruguay... aren't asking about Montevideo. Nor are they asking about opportunities in the Interior either...

BingoBoingo: Punta del Este has no industry for 10 and a half months out of the year.

BingoBoingo: Then again probably better they crowd into Punta Del Este than price the Venezolanas out of Centro, Ciudad Vieja, and Tres Cruces in Montevideo.

BingoBoingo: And in truly grave signs, Argentina's beef exports are UP. As in fire sale: https://archive.is/MlajJ

feedbot: http://billymg.com/2019/09/additional-tests-for-mp-wp-now-according-to-spec/ << billymg -- Additional tests for mp-wp, now according to spec

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:27:57 spyked: ] didn't get called in a long time (bot never got to that because it was stuck doing other stuff)

billymg: looking forward to when i can get out of the salt mines and dedicate more time to this, especially when the test suite is complete and i can get back to the mass deleting

mircea_popescu: the one cool thing about a complete testing suite is that it'd even allow rewriting into other langs.

mircea_popescu: not that i see the benefit of retargetting to say python or bash ; nor does it seem sensible to do php work in cl. but as a principle.

diana_coman: oh, nice work billymg ! I can fully appreciate having a testing suite esp reflecting the spec like that, nice.

feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/09/02/ossabot-and-its-flask-of-python-27-on-centos-6/ << Ossa Sepia -- Ossabot and Its Flask of Python 2.7 on CentOS 6

mircea_popescu: lol check it out diana_coman , we pinged each other at the ~same exact time

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/so-i-was-thinking/ << Trilema -- So I was thinking...

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:35:33 diana_coman: asciilifeform: my sigs for logotron code ^

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933180 << this, and the 1e6 grass-cutter-engined puttputts. prolly the 1 thing asciilifeform didn't like in BingoBoingostan . the humidity concentrates the gas, also

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:13 BingoBoingo: Montevideo air could be ~20 times cleaner if they's put goddamned exhaust filters on the "Omníbusses"

asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that there's no escape from the 2cycle motors anywhere, with possible exception of where Mocky went, where only dukes get driver license and commoners must instead camel )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:54:34 mircea_popescu: i expect going forward tests will be 10x to 100x the vpatch bulk

asciilifeform 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 16:00:20 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933149 << the one thing that logger could readily improve on, is fixing these split-line issues. can it look ahead in next line if current line has a broklen [][] structure ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933168 << the 'ru-ar' d00d claimed that current fuhrer had these cleaned. but i'd believe when see with own eyes (and i dun have expedition planned to peronistan just to find whether troo..)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:16:59 mircea_popescu: dude, buenos aires is literal waste dump level, 100 debris bits per square meter rustling softly in the wind each night.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:17:45 mircea_popescu: there's cockroaches roaming free EVERYWHERE in town, the "skyscrapers", the business district, all residential areas,

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 15:22:27 BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wank that electric busses are coming soon enough

BingoBoingo: Doing busses off of LPG here would fuck up the local energy market so much...

asciilifeform: it only even begins to make sense in locales where the gas is actually mined

BingoBoingo: 13kg tank of "supergas" is ~month of cooking for most folk's I've talked to.

BingoBoingo: Restaurants not on the pipe gas network usually go for 45kg tanks in pairs.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:08:18 asciilifeform: 'cheated', they're of course generated by generator tapes. but fact remains, gotta have 'canonical' test

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: initially i wrote perlisms to generate'em, then thought 'wtf' and rewrote in peh proper

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933229 << i don't think there's anything wrong with removing the fragment of a [][] from the 2nd line and putting it in 1st.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:09:53 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933203 << i wanted this in the 1st draft, but not yet thought of how to do this without mutilating the line ordering (i.e. merging fragmented lines into 1)

mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like a client that warns when about to frag line ( but can't be currently aroused to try an' patch 'xchat', 'irssi', other horrors )

mircea_popescu: i just want it to frag correctly, treat [][] as a single word, if not fit, put in new line.

mircea_popescu: from cursory examination this'd require however introducing the notion of wrap, extant clients do not care, split by char.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:14:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933170 << interestingly, haven't seen cockroach for many years here in 'north argentina' . they must've emigrated to these greener pastures.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:16:05 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933181 << ~90% of bus in washingtonistan, run on compressed propane nao. ( massive tank on roof )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 04:33:14 spyked: imo it's worth trying the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930317 pill; as long as the bot answers to incoming PINGs when they come, it should be fine.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-22 21:29:11 trinque: or alternatively, where's my patch spyked ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-02#1933248 << atm i suspect the chore of 'new clients' won't be escapable, in light of gossipd

snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-02 19:53:40 mircea_popescu: nfi that anyone's getting into fixing extant clients, and no intention to make anyone write a new irc client, so...

asciilifeform: imho it's not a waste of time to at least think about how sane chat client oughta behave, tho.

mircea_popescu: yet writing client for clear and sane spec quite different experience from patching "soft consensus and working code" biomass.