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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901370 << not to discourage headloadings ; however ima try to get someone to do it by then. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 15:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901356 << after ch17 , asciilifeform is doomed to reimplement keccak, will have to load it into head, possibly will add to this recurrent thread
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901377 <<< quite. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 16:32 asciilifeform: re 'torrent', consider fact that orig author is an unrepentant lulzcow and recidivist shitcoinist iirc
mircea_popescu: i can think of little more shameful than dood's "career", such as it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if somebody does compact keccak tonight, i'ma only say thanks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: djb imho evenmoar shame.
asciilifeform: fell from greater height.
asciilifeform: cohen otoh began as a nobody and finished same.
asciilifeform brb,meats
mircea_popescu: there's this pic of some indistinct slut i posted once i'm too lazy to retrieve. she happens to be white, sports all manner of celtic cross tattoos, stylisized "SS" etc, is taking a coupla brown dicks. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that's the situation, djb never derped at length about republican values.
mircea_popescu: one example that'd come close is that aurenheimer schmuck say, or the charlie shrimp.
mircea_popescu: but these two cocksuckers ~never did anything~, they were lords like nubbins was one briefly.
mircea_popescu: this is a huge fucking difference, at least in my eyes.
asciilifeform: wait djb was lord ?!
asciilifeform: how's that work
mircea_popescu: djb was just some manalone. perhaps more talented than most, but manalone is manalone, like a very talented chimp. howsoever talented, the chimp's not a person.
mircea_popescu: the cohen dork, ~claimed it~. like rms or linus or hwatever other, "cypherpunks" / "internet freedom" blablabla. like the piratebay dorks, like zimmerman, and so on.
asciilifeform: a aaa
asciilifeform: djb was imho textbook case of 'один в поле -- не воин'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: ( i have nfi whether the ancients had this proverb, but betcha they did )
mircea_popescu: there's of course http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/#selection-61.94-61.383
asciilifeform: cohen iirc was from day1 aligned with the wikitards & the rest of that gang of pseudo-republic people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cacatu de pe bec', that was a mega-piece, i recall
mircea_popescu: spoke the words.
asciilifeform: iirc the subj of the piece (the chinese 'empty chair' pantsuit nobel derp) finally bit it coupla yrs ago
mircea_popescu: post-abortion complications ?
asciilifeform: never saw his miami
asciilifeform: possibly i've my chinese solzhenitsyns mixed up, idk
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901402 << seems legit. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-11 19:49 asciilifeform: so presently i cannot think of a scenario where i'd want to reopen the case of gcd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho half of 'fits in head' is specifically ~refraining~ from gilding the lilies that dun need gilding.
mircea_popescu: quite.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1716-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1716. - Part IV.
asciilifeform: ^ i've been waiting for that 1 from the beginning!111
asciilifeform: the 1 with the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878200 ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:46 asciilifeform: ru pathologists refer to subj as 'wax fetus', can't recall what it is in eng
asciilifeform: wtf does the illustration have to do with it tho ? maybe mistake, and it is for adjacent section ?
asciilifeform: nicoleci ^
nicoleci: asciilifeform, glad it finally came - i really enjoyed reading it. probably one of the more bizarre transactions
nicoleci: tbh all of the articles have been very interesting
mircea_popescu: right!
nicoleci: its been a pleasure transcribing them. really wish it was something they speak on in us schools, instead of trying to teach the periodic table by a song but w/e.
asciilifeform: nah they prefer to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
nicoleci: true, im trying to get over my bitterness of all of the stolen time by the usg.
nicoleci: asciilifeform, figure 31 on the illustration relates to the article
nicoleci: (lower right corner) the transactions grouped the images from multiple articles on one or two pages
trinque: this kind of bitterness imho is of the "nose to spite face" variety.
trinque: can yeah, hate 'em in the present frame. nobody's taking me back to high-and-20 to could've-been-moar in an imaginary branch.
asciilifeform: trinque: imho 'never forgive, never forget' hatred -- can be constructive thing.
trinque: didn't say forgive. more a comment on whether the mind dwells on a missed opportunity to strike yesterday than on striking today.
nicoleci: yeah i can see that how useless to entertain the past. even so, not sure on the resolve of managing the abundance of how much i need to learn and how little i know.
PeterL: trinque: I am looking at building Cuntoo. Quick question: would there be anything detrimental to having MAKEOPTS set too high? (I see it is set to -j8 at one point in the script, but I only have 2 processors?)
asciilifeform: PeterL: will simply slow
PeterL: ah, thanks asciilifeform.
PeterL: !!v 182852A1C11CD09E84AF66632D1473BE7829A00F43B490203B0DD19A8D41185A
deedbot: PeterL rated diana_coman 1 << Wrote eucrypt, keccac implementation, etc. - ossasepia.com
PeterL: !!v E9385FF7FBE438EA5E1BDAD216EEC207E80CFDFB9CC28DF359E4E38F196EA67E
deedbot: PeterL rated phf 1 << excellent log, vtools - btcbase.org/log barksinthewind.com
trinque: PeterL: you'll also potentially find out where parallelism bugs exists in ebuilds
trinque: I've seen 'em before.
PeterL: so you mean it is less likely to have bugs pop up if I lower the number?
asciilifeform: PeterL: you won't see a parallelism bug , by definition, with ~1~ thread ; but to say just about anyffin else about'em, is difficult.
trinque: no, I'm not saying "this ritual is how you avoid the bad". I'm saying that cranking the number of parallel jobs will reveal whether builds rely on implicit race-condition ordering, vs having been written correctly with the whole dependency graph of the build expressed in makefile.
trinque: interesting question, what happens when I crank the parallelism to 11, go find out why dont you.
BingoBoingo: Local army head got fired today https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/manini-rios-esta-reunido-con-vazquez-dijo-que-hablara-de-temas-que-le-preocupan--201931210454
BingoBoingo: And in playing Chicken without flinching https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/investigan-participacion-de-los-espectadores-en-el-accidente-de-la-gallinita-ciega-2019312121520
BingoBoingo: "El impacto fue registrado por las cámaras de seguridad" << It is a great shame that video isn't out yet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh folx are still waiting for the vid from the pentagon parking lot cams on '9/11' ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta do something during the waiting.
BingoBoingo: !!rate princess nell -2 https://archive.is/mHZsU#selection-52.0-85.11 << After contact with the early proto-Republic, decided to give freely her content to the enemy
BingoBoingo: !!rate princessnell -2 https://archive.is/mHZsU#selection-52.0-85.11 << After contact with the early proto-Republic, decided to give freely her content to the enemy
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Rt8io/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: !!v 9558A5ECF5CAA3C1E040CBA3E8BAABAD6EE7D18B33B3253CC0F61B0992A07B75
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated princessnell -2 << https://archive.is/mHZsU#selection-52.0-85.11 << After contact with the early proto-Republic, decided to give freely her content to the enemy
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << Trilema -- The Freenode issue
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Followed a link from Trilema, decided to make a note for future reference http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-anjie-well-actually-let-me-do-anjie-while-you-watch/
asciilifeform: a
BingoBoingo: Gotta take notes while the reading is fresh
hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: hanbot: imho oughta move ( as i said in the past, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839469 ) , q is 'where' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:08 asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
trinque: I say move.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ( in linked thrd ) dug up a coupla possible 'wheres'. but imho oughta begin with gluing together small net ( with boxen in piz ~and elsewhere~ ) and ~then~ bridge it to public nets.
asciilifeform: really oughta spread across a minimum of 3 geographically separate racks, before troo move , imho
asciilifeform: last time this came up , asciilifeform went on a dig of 'what ircd', and found (surprise!1111) MB of c liquishit
asciilifeform: hey phf do you know of a cl ircd ?
BingoBoingo: It seems like time to begin moving
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839467 << see also in thrd. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
asciilifeform: even if 'let's use conventional ircd' -- the q remains , which one -- afaik they aint actually fully interoperable from peering pov
asciilifeform: ( from user pov either , they also all seem use slightly variant authentication schemes )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901514 -> I'm for moving; the only reason for staying was being busy with tending to other fires that burnt worse but freenode seems to be burning worse and worse lately anyway; a multi-network bridge sounds best in my opinion but I don't really know how much work needs to be put in to get that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 18:43 hanbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/ << i'm for moving, seeing no compelling reason to stay. pinging asciilifeform ave1 ben_vulpes bingoboingo danielpbarron diana_coman lobbes mod6 phf spyked trinque for inputs.
diana_coman: re efnet there was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-12#1769730 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 06:10 trinque: on second thought, lets not go to efnet. 'tis a silly place.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the central headache afaik is http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128269 , i.e. the various nets have an idjit user lock-in thing going
BingoBoingo: In Quakenet https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : i'm also not 100% convinced that the proposed multi-network thing is actually less of a nut to crack than adult gossipd. ( consider, how wouldja do authentication ? the extant ircd's support either '~nuffin, anyone can hijack session' or ssltardism . )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 2014. and imho sounds like less of 'attack on irc' and moar of 'attack' on wotless heathens / allcomerists
asciilifeform: ~those~ succumb to fart in the wind, not even speaking of 'attack'
BingoBoingo: Well, they had the good sense to keep it linked on their front page after the Snowden leaks made it to "GHCQ fucking with IRC"
BingoBoingo: Alarm's been tripped. Warning light stays lit until every Buckingham Palace occupant takes a traffic cone up the ass.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what i mean is, it's same 'attack' erry time, and consists 100% of https://www.oglaf.com/humans/
asciilifeform: rather than sumthing particular to irc.
asciilifeform: folx without lymphocytes ~will~ succumb to fungi & errything else under the sun, it dun matter what they do
diana_coman: at any rate, the move + multi-network wrapper approach seems to me like an excellent way for one to learn and be in a prime position for gossipd really
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'll admit that it isn't clear to me how effort put into baking glue for oddball nonstandard ircisms helps in re gossipd . irc as i see it is an entirely dead-end tech ( rides on tcp, and 0 notion of crypto , and cannot be retrofitted really )
diana_coman: learn != reuse code or even tech ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to expand here : what in particular is to be learned ?
diana_coman: what the troubles are in practice; note that I'm not talking about "bake glue" but rather a full run servers
asciilifeform: indeed will learn what the troubles are in practice. only i suspect that 0 of it will have any bearing on the gossipd side.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. the problems of mitigating tcp ddos are irrelevant to proper udpistic gossipd. and ditto authentication of handles. )
asciilifeform: it isn't even that i dun think it's worth doing ( fleanode only ever gets ~moar~ rotten, and never less ) . but imho the cost is prolly not recoverable ( in the engineering sense ) .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, do you mean that a person who made and ran this multi-bridge infrastructure across how many irc networks has gained no useful knowledge for running a gossipd-based service?
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/local-rag-britain-just-leaving-their-undersea-cable-landing-sites-open-and-unguarded/ << Qntra -- Local Rag: Britain Just Leaving Their Undersea Cable Landing Sites Open And Unguarded
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'no useful'. but possibly 'very little'.
asciilifeform: for instance, in saeculum i've set up microshit boxen of various sorts. and could not honestly say that i learned from the experience anything applicable on sane-people planet.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ever read any varlaam shalamov ?
BingoBoingo: There's likely logistics lessons to be learned. Timings necessary to keep conenctions open and other tcp weird.
asciilifeform: fella did 40+yrs in gulag. then got out, and was often asked by curious folx, 'what did you learn to do'
asciilifeform: and he answered honestly, 'to roll wheelbarrow fulla rocks on narrow planks. is all i learned.'
asciilifeform: ( he went in for trotskyism. and policy was, trotskyists only wheelbarrow, no cutting wood, no nuffin else )
asciilifeform: ( tbf, this was after his 1st 20yrs -- 100% wheelbarrow. during his 2nd 20y, he learned to stick thermometers in arses, became 'medic' , hence lived )
hanbot: asciilifeform: i'd trust a gossipd operator that'd also operated the ircd bridge above one who hadn't, other things being comparable.
asciilifeform: hanbot: wouldja be willing to expand re why ?
asciilifeform: ( and specifically, why not also 'i'd trust operator who also had in the past set up winblowz 2012' then )
hanbot: asciilifeform, you have a very narrowly construed "explain to me what the learning benefit of X is". this is not how my life experience worked out; if it were possible to explain to the ignorant the benefits of education, education itself would work very differently from how it actually works.
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is fair enuff, and mircea_popescu wrote at length on the subj.
trinque: eh this isn't going to teach anyone anything they wouldn't have learned running any other server farm. I and I'm sure several people already do, or have.
hanbot: you will learn not what you know you do not know, but what you do not know you do not know. and, most important, whether there even is something there you do not know or not.
asciilifeform: hanbot: but was curious whether you had moar specific notion, or simply gut feeling (nuffin wrong with gut, imho)
hanbot: well...it's a large pile of strange that none of us seriously delved into. iono what's in there. do you know what's in there?
asciilifeform: fwiw i dun feel like my many yrs of setting up multi-MB balls of c ??? liquishit on various net-facing boxen, taught me ~anyffin that'd be applicable on hypothetical sane comp
trinque: hanbot: yeah, I'm already running an IRC server elsewhere. there is no high magic in it, only low trivia.
asciilifeform: ~100% of the problems i learned to solve, only exist on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892448 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: "most people, when faced with a problem, will not investigate the cause of the problem, but will instead want to solve it because the problem is actually in the way of something more important than figuring out why something suddenly got in their way out of nowhere. if you are a programmer, you may reach for perl at this point, and perl can remove your problem. happy, you go on, but find another problem blocking your way, r
hanbot: and as to microsoft specifically, i do trust your opinion on microsoft above the opinion of microsoft of an imaginary asciilifeform that never touched it. this is exactly what i meant about finding out whether there's even anything there.
hanbot: trinque: is it like a gameserver or something?
asciilifeform: hanbot: this gets complicated. e.g. i put high value on mircea_popescu's pov re programming, even tho he (afaik) moar or less never programs
hanbot: you mean other than bash, right? :D
asciilifeform: i think aristotle actually had , sadly, correct notion, where doing some kinds of work actually makes you dumber ☟︎
asciilifeform: an asciilifeform who had never touched microshit, i suspect, would be a better man than asciilifeform who did.. ☟︎
trinque: hanbot: just stood it up for the sake of exactly this impending need ☟︎
hanbot: better man, yes, but not necessarily better x86-ologist.
trinque: again, only trivia involved. I've also run clusters of postgres, fleets of webservers, etc etc etc
trinque: it's all the same work
asciilifeform: obj i'm ill-equipped to say for sure, hanbot
asciilifeform: trinque: was it the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837110 item ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
asciilifeform: does it run well ?
asciilifeform: *obv
hanbot: trinque: okay, but by the same logic people shouldn't implement loggers or whatever else. if it's not useful for you, it's still useful for them.
hanbot: in the sense that at some point they've gotta do something
trinque: people are not this undifferentiated category. yes for students, running an ircd is a great idea, like bots or w/e else.
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: the upstack claim was that this will help design gossipd. *only* as antipattern and study of antipatterns does not by itself yield sense.
asciilifeform: sadly troo. otherwise microshit escapees would make for brilliant teachers of the art.
asciilifeform: ( and if there's 1 thing there is no shortage of in the sad monkey house that passes for kompyooting, it's 'antipattern' -- there's enuff that 'you can eat it with arse' )
asciilifeform: the ~damage~ ( and imho is just about as factual as radiation damage ) from being a programmer, is that familiarity with crud , leads to swallowing, and eventually you learn to live with things that by all rights no one oughta live with. witness how many people think that it is acceptable for a program to sometimes crash, for instance.
asciilifeform: 'all programs crash', supposedly.
asciilifeform: and then try and object.
asciilifeform: or , say, take tcp. mircea_popescu aint even a programmer, and is just about as 'clean' as a fella can get in re programming radiation damage and still have worked with comp. but it took asciilifeform 3+yrs to get him to see that tcp is -- by design -- garbage
asciilifeform: ( and it took asciilifeform, in turn, 10+yrs , measured from time of 1st thinking about subj, to get there )
asciilifeform: so ftr i will have to disagree with hanbot , in that imho coal miner is ~not~ the best geologist.
asciilifeform: there's a severe narrowing of perspective that almost always comes from crawling around inside mine
asciilifeform: having said this, i'm all for setting up a not-fleanode . and will put relay on dulap as soon as the matter of 'which ircd' is settled.
asciilifeform: but would rather not suffer illusions re 'this is a step to designing gossipd'
asciilifeform: it's shovel work, and necessary shovel work, just like maintaining trb.
trinque same
hanbot: all this might even be true.
hanbot: prolly should put it in a trilema comment tho'.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i have 0 to disagree in re the scheme mircea_popescu described on his www . it's exactly what oughta be sewed.
asciilifeform: tho hrm, there's the 1 open q..
trinque: hanbot: realtime digestion then proposal in my case.
trinque: absent the "this will be somehow instructive" there's the practical need for infrastructure with which I 100% agree
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128280 << the open q
asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm with trinque on this one -- if we confine the thread to mircea_popescu's www, it will be a very slow thread. i do hope that he finds a working fleanode box to connect to in the meanwhile.
asciilifeform: i'm currently sitting on tepper.freenode.net ( 192.186.157.43 ) fwiw.
trinque: ah, I hadn't even realized he couldn't connect *at all*
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun know this for a fact; maybe simply spat at the string of barf and stopped for nao
BingoBoingo: Rizon looked attractive from a letting people piss all over copyrasty perspective, but https://archive.is/fBL9n#selection-91.1-99.149
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd prefer if mircea_popescu picked which horse is healthiest in that glue factory
asciilifeform: per my lights, they're all ~identical
asciilifeform: i.e. buncha people who all promise same thing, and deliver ~same maybe-it
BingoBoingo: Well, been reading docs. EFnet has few. These networks appear to in fact promise different things
trinque: http://www.routing-com.undernet.org/ << lol, romania specifically banned! ☟︎
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: bulgaria worx ?
mircea_popescu: dawg, check out their new dns!
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at first i thought you went through the list of old dns responses/old servers and fished out one inexplicably not on mine
asciilifeform: reminds of sov army shower -- grunt holds kettle over lieutenant's head
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so i did
mircea_popescu: but no, check it out, from http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#selection-27.0-59.0 to http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dmzjQ/?raw=true in six hours!
asciilifeform: not as if i dun regularly come up against same barf as mircea_popescu did this morning
asciilifeform: just that it happens erry quarter or so, when my fiber decides to sad
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they autorotate'em ( by what satanic principle, i do not know at all )
mircea_popescu: anyways. im pretty sure this wasn't answering ~six hours ago.
asciilifeform believes
mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but the idea is, come up with a network by tomorrow. that work ?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, examining horses in the glue factory, efnet yields https://archive.is/bEyLF#selection-161.1-179.19
mircea_popescu: 2015 ?
asciilifeform: ( and maybe even then healthiest horse, for all i know the others same but not reported )
mircea_popescu: whatever, the irc network forum. wtf.
asciilifeform: 2015.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: EFnet doesn't have passwords for IRC users. Just their forum tards. EFnet doesn't provide auth at all.
BingoBoingo: EFNet however forces short nicks
asciilifeform: maybe time to consider by what criteria to even pick
asciilifeform: other than 'not fleanode'
mircea_popescu: the correct approach would be to go in their admin channels whatever they are, talk to the ops, see who would welcome more servers.
asciilifeform: verily
asciilifeform: so asciilifeform went to 'quakenet', and saw guess what,
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wkd9B/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: then went to 'ircnet', www last updated in... 2004. and none but the u.s. relays seem to answer
mircea_popescu: talk to Flusher / beorn then
hanbot aims nailgun @ quakenet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, you object to antique motd ?
asciilifeform: 'No racism and/or Nazism' smells of 'code of conduct'ism
asciilifeform: but so far this one's in the lead, i.e. box actually answered
mircea_popescu: i don't read those things.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally! shouldn't you be ffaing or something ?
asciilifeform: would luvv to go back to it, with mircea_popescu's blessing
asciilifeform: i was under notion that this item is an 'all hands' firefight
mircea_popescu: http://irc.netsplit.de/servers/?net=IRCnet << there's a buncha live servers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform far from it. you do your thing, other people'll do this thing.
asciilifeform: aite!
asciilifeform: i'ma off to debuggery room then, bbl
mircea_popescu: fwis, trinque already got one being tortured for the past six months ; depending on other workload mebbe BingoBoingo or spyked feel like putting one up also (but very much do not fall into the tarpit of chasing butterflies, from one to the next and catching none, fellas). ☟︎