asciilifeform: lobbes: pretty neat. ( and you could prolly shorten it substantially by replacing the old cl bot with mine, but iirc you have a full plate w/ mp's wptronic item atm )

asciilifeform: ( might want to do this eventually -- the old bot jams )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939717 << this is bug, i'ma take a look shortly ( and bots already were marked in grey, no need at all for any other marking )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939704 << q was re the tbf telephone thing.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939706 << this is a point

asciilifeform: fixed!! in current copy; will cut patch shortly

asciilifeform: literally single-digit typo

asciilifeform will give it another read before patching..

asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! logotron www updated !

asciilifeform: 'sept_errata.kv.vpatch' fixes the barf detailed earlier .

asciilifeform: active_disconnect_r3.kv.vpatch , + asciilifeform's , bvt's, diana_coman's, sigs, mirrored.

asciilifeform: i find it interesting that folx immediately assumed the bug were a feature, lol.

asciilifeform: was in reader, rather than bot; lobbes , diana_coman , no need to reset bots.

asciilifeform: ( tho i'ma reset mine later today, to display correct ver )

asciilifeform: !q version

asciilifeform: ^ done

asciilifeform: ok, whole thing nao current .

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939720 << this possible; but alternatively via мера (measure, via μέτρον naturally)

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939703 << ftr there's at least 1 торговище town in ru .

asciilifeform: via slavic торг , trade ( торговец -- trader )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939728 << the old libertard trick of presenting life expectancy as a scalar is as elementary as '3 card monte', ~nobody falls for it unless 'wants to'

asciilifeform brb:teatime

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma have to buy, cuz unequipped to comment in detail just yet

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939785 << not even to disagree w/ mp_en_viaje's comments, but hey mod6 there's an even moar elementary problem : ben_vulpes went to bottom of the sea, and you haven't filled his throne yet (per charter, oughta)

asciilifeform: !Qlater tell trinque do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it

asciilifeform wonders whether bvt , trinque , hanbot, or spyked might want the job

asciilifeform reminds readers that he is not in any capacity in tbf and cannot formally nominate anyone . matter is entirely in hands of mod6 , tho he'd be wise to consult mp re wat-do imho.

asciilifeform: in apropos sovok folklore :

asciilifeform: once upon a time, a drunken construction crew left behind a welder's hat. a little boy picks it up and puts on;

asciilifeform: he walks along the street. suddenly a van stops, and inside there is pedofag , 'hey boy, like candy?' boy -- gets in.

asciilifeform: boy still wearing the helmet. driver asks, 'kiddo, do you know what the penis is ?' boy, puzzled, 'no sir'

asciilifeform: asks again : 'boy, do you know what is to cum?' boy, again, 'no sir'

asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!'

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939730 << i thought turks mainly picked up youngest-sons for the yenicheri corps

asciilifeform: ( and chix, but from designated breeding grounds which afaik at no pt included wallachia & co )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939710 << funnily enuff, the crypto-christians left behind in jp after missionaries expelled, mutated into such a bizarre fork chain that modern church does not recognize'em as anyffin at all ( they mutter unrecognizable chants , which at some pt in 17th c were latin , from phonetic crib sheets to this day... but elsewise resemble 'insular buddhist sect' very closely )

asciilifeform: there's of course a set of much later converts there, via the usa conquest, but these have sumthing like proper translations.

asciilifeform: folx w/ mathematical inclinations, invited to comment re auto-sync algo described in #o .

asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ such result, from the s

asciilifeform: et of loggers that returned valid outputs 7) eats.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: idea is to sync all chans , rather than having to fire per-chan.

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff

asciilifeform: (c) in particular may be violated if there are recently imported (from peer loggers) lines in the db .

asciilifeform: (b) may potentially be violated during any given shot .

asciilifeform: (a) may be violated if one of the loggers is not merely missing lines but is in some way broken .

asciilifeform: diana_coman: entirely correct, re disconnected bot ; though someone may speak ~as it reconnects~

asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one or more of the peers contains the truthful record of the interval, the 'longest' algo will select that peer.

asciilifeform: trouble starts if ~all~ are broken.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ultimately yes

asciilifeform: tho even then you would have to impose conditions re what happens when 2 or more peers disagree.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: hence why i will not propose it as a fully automatic mechanism, i.e. part of bot reconnector.

asciilifeform: if diana_coman et al know how to turn this algo into one suitable for automatic operation, i'ma take off my hat, and write it.

asciilifeform agrees

asciilifeform: re 'b may be longest because it heard N+1st line before others' is entirely valid point btw.

asciilifeform: if someone speaks while this algo is carried out, correct result can ~not~ be guaranteed.

asciilifeform: it is given strictly as a mechanized version of the thing we do presently when a bot falls.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: absolutely must ask.

asciilifeform: and atm there is no way to weasel out of the work of manually checking the result against yer personal running session.

asciilifeform: ( it's the only way to avoid missing a line that was 'in flight' as the proggy ran, elementarily )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: even if only had 1 chan, same fundamental problems apply.

asciilifeform: ( aside from the timestamp thing )

asciilifeform: atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all.

asciilifeform: incidentally, lobbes seems to have made a 7th ?

asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ?

asciilifeform must go to meat, bbl

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2019/10/dutch-bulletproof-host-down-eurocops-plea-mirai-botnet/#comment-142060 ftr.

asciilifeform: lobbes: i dun have any problem w/ including your castle ( is it properly proclaimed castle via mp yet ? btw ? ) -- tho may have to fiddle w/ the htmlism so all 7 actually fit in the header . lemme know when yer ready to deed a signed copy of the archival log for it, to be eaten.

asciilifeform: sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't..

asciilifeform: even the 6, i found will spill on some very small screens

asciilifeform: lobbes: #lobbes is imho preferable to the other. (seems to be the de-facto standard presently)

asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.