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asciilifeform: iirc we did the 'civilized' thing where chair is 1 d00d, treasurer -- another, there's at least a nominal procedure for handover, etc , mircea_popescu suggested it and asciilifeform et al saw it as Right Thing
asciilifeform: sorta a raid5, theoretically supposed to help the participants' life expectancy
mircea_popescu: hey, whole republic is built out of trying out the civilised things various empires came up with. some fruit better than others.
asciilifeform: ( enemy wins less from taking out 1 )
mircea_popescu: it's not directly evident to me that foundation as it currently stands is factually more than a permanent drain on mod6 's worktime.
asciilifeform: mod6 : how much time approximately ~does~ it burn ?
asciilifeform: mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ?
mircea_popescu: this question is confounded, because he does a lot of copyediting and general maintenance for all sorts of work that'd have to be done anyway,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu : pretty much erry worthwhile thing can be rewritten as 'permanent burn' of ~somebody~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: currently not clear to me how there'd be less work if trb were 'mod6 proj' instaed of 'foundation'
mircea_popescu: in principle. but our values are very much in the vein of debirocratization, after all. somehow i fear it's more of a haskellism than anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, hard to evaluate for me.
asciilifeform: is why i left the q for mod6 .
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 : how much time approximately ~does~ it burn ? << I'm not even sure I can put a number on it exactly. I put a lot of time in. It's a huge responsibility.
mircea_popescu: i kinda have in the back of my mind this impression that poor shane's ended up stuck with a large number of loose ends to juggle.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ? << Yeah, I think four years is enough, I think someone else should take over.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is it a major source of unhappiness and anxiety in your life ?
mod6: Fresh ideas, new enthusiasm, etc.
mod6: mircea_popescu: not at all. I'm proud to do the work.
asciilifeform: mod6: ftr i'm 100% satisfied with your work as trb chair
asciilifeform: and imho last thing trb needs is '9000 new idea'
mircea_popescu: are you practically solo chair these days or do you hold meetings with ben_vulpes and so on ?
asciilifeform: ( imho -- it's a preservation proj , to keep the thing going until trbi etc )
mod6: I used to collaborate much more with the man, but he's been afk for quite some time.
mod6: asciilifeform: Correct.
mircea_popescu: mod6 do you want to name someone to join into the chairdom ?
mod6: Overall, yes. I think we need to determine if the entire thing is worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc it was kinda chartered with carte blanche, "do whatever, just do". the way history flew it worked out as a sort of "holder of trb project" pretty much yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho thing's quite key to the practicality of errything else we do.
mod6: People contribute, and do things. It would be very nice to have more consistant help with testing and other things. It hasn't been too bad just doing it myself, but with Pizarro in the picture (esepcially when was acting manager), having to do it all was hard.
mircea_popescu: i mean, let's not get too anachronistic, most of the things that are "forever held true and known" today have been invented last wednesday ; at the time tbf was invented, none of the notions of collaboration meanwhile spawned out of v usage were even apprehended. not even a glimmer in the lords' eyes...
asciilifeform: without rock-solid trb, there is no bitcoin , at least not in any shape i'd particularly care to be connected with.
mircea_popescu: let http://qntra.net/2018/09/power-rangers-inserted-inflation-bug-into-core-bitcoin-network-client-in-2016/ be remembered here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: birth of trb was 100% powered by 'muscle-powered v' of gpg-signed patches, recall.
asciilifeform: so directly ~produced~ v.
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform successfully, if painfully, dissuaded the participants from regressing into heathendom versiontronics
asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
mod6: I think trinque would be a great candidate for Foundation Co-Chair. (As I've said before).
asciilifeform: imho tbf is the single most productive collaboration we've had here to date, without exaggeration
asciilifeform: ( and, to date, at very little cost, at least if measured coinwise )
asciilifeform: mod6: i concur with the nomination
mircea_popescu: certainly it has that advantage, which no pantsuit item ever could point to, of being VERY conservativewly run and as a result decent roi through keeping denominator down.
mircea_popescu: trinque that sound like something you'd wanna do ?
trinque: as it stands the deedbot wallet project is a hand-cranked charity I run, really want to see that thing move towards paid subscription services before I take on something else.
trinque: folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
asciilifeform: trinque: do you have a subscription model in the works ?
trinque: yes, hot-wallet will be a subscription service
asciilifeform: trinque: i.e. the item currently in use, where !!pay x y ?
trinque: no, recall I move my arse to a printer and hand crank all !!withdraw currently
asciilifeform: aa!
trinque: beyond hot-wallet-subscription, notions of trb-as-a-service sit, for in-WoT developers that want highly available programming interfaces to a trb fleet
asciilifeform: to date i haven't conceived of how to make trb into a subscription service ( my 1 attempt at the problem was the 'wires' item ) but this should not discourage others
trinque: first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
trinque: would like ben_vulpes to chime in here too.
asciilifeform: there's a http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter.html
asciilifeform: so possibly ought to be starting point, and if need clarification, to then ask mod6 / ben_vulpes .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855775 << was the whole idea, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850988 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 asciilifeform: trinque: do you have a subscription model in the works ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu: trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
mircea_popescu: but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855774 point is sound, guy's gonna have a lot on his plate. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 trinque: folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
mircea_popescu: is there any objection to this, incidentally ? letting trinque be a sort of one man cuntoo foundation ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855782 << no, it's deliberately open ended. let board pick what to do an' do it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:33 trinque: first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
mircea_popescu: and that charter is pretty cool!
ben_vulpes: yeah who even wrote that thing :P
ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
ben_vulpes: this has the advantage of aligning tbf with how things actually work in the republic, as driven forward by the hands of those doing the work.
ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
ben_vulpes: (elsewhere, saws buzz, coats of poly are applied, a decade of life-dross triaged and arrangements made to ship the most-valued and useful posessions across the continent continue...)
trinque: yeh, this is why I prefer strapping myself to a business requirement for trb working well, rather than joining up on TBF
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: imho there is nuffin pantsuit at all about it, and it worked a+++ for entire 4y it's been around.
asciilifeform: otoh whether to work it is entirely board's, i.e. mod6 & ben_vulpes decision, not mine, i am not on tbf board
asciilifeform: but ftr i would see death of tbf as a substantial republican defeat
asciilifeform: it dun need, imho, any 'fixing'.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855654 << hey trinque, I plan to have this for you by the end of the weekend. hope that works ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:29 trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
trinque: roger that
ben_vulpes: did what, as far as mod6 and i could tell, it needed to.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << as to this, the initial release (this weekend) will use gnupatch. I tried to design the thing so that I can swap out the patcher for my own afterwords. eventually my own mcilroy should make its way in. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << to the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent ) that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners, to limit in any way the distribution of trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
asciilifeform: and incidentally the orig funding model, in case folx forgot, is http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt
ben_vulpes: inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in their blogs etc), he can join the republic and ask for the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
asciilifeform: the tithe. ( yes problem that currently nobody's raking in megacoinz and has what to tithe. but the principle is sound. )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
asciilifeform: this is not one of the items where we can say to all of heathendom to fuckoff.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'ecological' problem.
asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
ben_vulpes: i do not advocate that tbf hide the sauce away, dun fear
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm genuinely curious if i'm missing something subtle .
asciilifeform: the heart of the matter is that nobody cancelled http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ theorem.
asciilifeform: can't replace the thing with 'republic only' trbi , not without some yet-unfathomed breakthrough, or, idk, if mircea_popescu takes over brazil, or, whoknows, catastrophic chernobyl that fully demolishes the classical btc net
ben_vulpes: mm, i didn't mean to suggest 'republic only' trb net. it is however a pretty sane client for the extant network, and perhaps there is value in gating access to such a gem from teh hoi polloi. what with trinque's impending hotwallet patches and his demonstration of their value with trb services, the gem will become only of more value.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's already pretty much as 'gated' as anyhing gets, already to build it heathen must just about change religions
asciilifeform: and yes at least 1 cretin 'stole' trb. what did it get him.
ben_vulpes: so then what loss? if heathen has changed religion what are they doing out of church
ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see no gain from putting any obstacle in front of anyone, heathen, chinese, martian, good, evil, who wants to run trb .
asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << i think this narrowed down over time in everyone's mind, as the shocking incapacity of "the everyone" to step up to the plate became ever more enshrined in experience. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
mircea_popescu certainly was informed by a lot more "for everyone" pov five or ten years ago.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for 'premium' noad access, recall how the mircea_popescu 'trbi' thread was born. ( classical btc offers no sweet pill for how to reward node operators. any attempt to charge for 'gets mined faster' inevitably reduces to a game the miners can themselves win, cutting out middlemen )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855799 << twasn't obvious it is substantially a wart. i mean, if we end up cutting off everything the pantsuit attempt or attempterd historically to steal the trappings of, we'd be left without words. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:04 ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
ben_vulpes: on the thread of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855797, upon meditation, tbf was willing to host kids' projects at various points. didn't, in the case of lobbes, because he didn't take funding. kids ever-declining cost next to tbfs kitty inclines me to continue considering these projects. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:03 ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
ben_vulpes: "ensure access to the mainline set of patches" was the best i ever came up with for an operating thesis.
mircea_popescu: why does access need to be ensured ?
ben_vulpes: heh see thread with asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: i mean, take trilema. it's the job of http://trilema.com/2018/fetlife-the-next-derperation/ morons to a) find it ; b) read it and c) change their lives to fit ; on their own time and on their own dime. it's not fucking trilema's job to "ensure" a b or c for the morons in question.
mircea_popescu: what's this "ensuring" in the end ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855843 << absolutely. however i see risk of a tendency to 'lender of last resort' misbehaviors if unchecked (by whom?! forum clearly. which you address in your point re not throwing out everything the pantsuits touch.) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
mircea_popescu: yeah it certainly can't become the bank of china.
ben_vulpes: pizarro seemed a) worthwhile endeavour b) could be let fail and the experiment run again c) had good odds of rescue mission succeeding for a time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855812 << you can't help people against their will. there is no such thing as "powered text". all text is powerless, the power gotta be with people. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << to the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent ) that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners, to limit in any way the distribution of trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun propose to 'help' heathens somehow against will. but imho anyffig that in any way makes trb noad harder to stand up than strictly must -- yields terrain to enemy.
ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
asciilifeform: right nao we only have blox because chinese d00dz i've never heard of, and dun expect to, run ~trb-compat proggies. i've nfi if trb per se helps this state of affairs to continue, but for so long as it continues, oughta at least not interfere, imho.
ben_vulpes: well obviously someone sees the value in it as at least a testbed, what cost to him of registering a key.
ben_vulpes must bbl
asciilifeform: this being said, 'mining is a bug'(tm), if i knew how to gruesomely slaughter all miners while keeping something like working bitcoin net, i promise to say how.
trinque: big difference ftr between "lender of last resort" and "startup incubator"
trinque: the latter again, tainted by pantsuit stink, yet businesses do get started.
asciilifeform: trinque: as mircea_popescu observed earlier, if we succumb to logic of 'word taint' we'll quickly turn into the speed of light people
trinque: I agree.
asciilifeform: and there's no return from that shithole
trinque: one thing that looks interesting externally is tbh throwing first doing something to actively seek out non-knuckleheads (yo esthlos, what do you do for a living again?) and see if a quarter or two of float can get folks building things that put hard pressure on trb thriving.
trinque: rather than trying to think of ways to throw money directly at trb. it by itself dun want any, or anything.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855842 << actually imho tbf performed 100% to spec even there. i fully expect tbf to be at the ~hindmost~ of all 'exciting new ideaz' adoptions, not forefront. it's a habsburg art gallery, not avant-garde. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
trinque: as the chairs appear to have money, but not time, the investor role seems to fit best.
asciilifeform: trinque: imho not bad idea
asciilifeform: ( tho i cannot presently think of any concretes )
trinque: good investments oughta be able to drive new customers to pizarro for infrastructure.
trinque: *also oughta
asciilifeform: verily
asciilifeform: the 1 gotcha is that most trb-related items afaik constrained by scarcity of skilled l1 hands, not coin as such
asciilifeform: on the 1 occasion when shortage of coin was the burning fire, tbf stepped up and did just this.
trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
asciilifeform: it's pretty modest atm.
trinque: see what I said about seeding businesses
trinque: didn't say eat the seeds
asciilifeform: rright, but point was orig 'the skilled hands are few and short time'
asciilifeform: a bitcent or 2 doesnt change this.
trinque: their time is short because they're all pulling salaries in shitland
trinque: no offense to anyone involved
asciilifeform: i can speak only for self, but at least in my case it is tru
trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
asciilifeform: and i suppose if other l1 similarly imprisoned but cheaper to ransom than asciilifeform , could potentially make effect
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform in particular could not ransom even with entire piggy , sadly. but fortunately there are other folx with hands growing from right organ )
asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
trinque: speculative proposal is to have tbf do same snapping up of their l2, see what happens.
trinque: this isn't me gunning for a seed round for myself.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855856 << this is by far the larger concern. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:24 ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
mircea_popescu: people using your software that are the usual sort of idiots... you ain't got anything going there.
mircea_popescu: i see the point of hind-front, though ideally not entirely as a time function.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: yes, wealthier and larger l1. but the only way there is through talk to more people ; and pointedly not through imagining things.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855817 << they coulkd if they would. they don't because they're not-credible proven-retards. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
mircea_popescu: this hasn't improved, since 2011, or since 2016. in fact, drastically agravated.
mircea_popescu: i can not possibly think of one single name that satisfies all of a) is relevant to bitcoin ; b) is not in l1 and c) is not so fucking stupid, own feces constitute a good portion of its diet.
asciilifeform: miners relevant collectively, rather than individually. like ears of corn..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855820 << the only advantage is that ecology is largely self-minding. i didn't tell the power rangers morons to shoot themselves in the face. i told them not to ; and they did anyway. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:47 asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
asciilifeform: ( and no i can't name 1. do ears of corn have names..?)
mircea_popescu: and so following. shit rots because it's shit, not because will to power.
mircea_popescu: miners have today exactly all the options they had in 2015.
asciilifeform: they have option of ditching glibc, say. which hadnt then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855821 << imo the only limiting factor in foundation finance atm is the twin perception that foundation doesn't need more money nor has anything useful to do with it if it had more money. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant politically, not technologically. yes, technologically they owe us more than they owe their mom & dad.
asciilifeform: even politically. they have option of unwinding segwit, say.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely coherent with republican outlook.
asciilifeform: ( i actually have nfi why they havent yet )
mircea_popescu: segwit was always a matter of "hipsters & doofuses community chests, someone takes it all sometime"
asciilifeform: it's an eminently ripe pustule imho
asciilifeform: waiting for lancet
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855830 << hopefully you're not asking me this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855832 << translating the scripture has the significant disadvantage that all sorts of morons "get to thinking" about "how it should be", down the line you end up with anglicanism, protestantisms, etc. the fact that scripture is written in human language is not "impediment put in way of orcs". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:08 asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
mircea_popescu: what impedes them is not it, but everything-not-it, namely : themselves. their miserable orc nature. if it washes, let it wash, and if it doesn't wash, let them hang.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ thing you get out of "removing obstacles" is another linus debacle, whereby you belabour for however many decades under the false flag of an unredeemable asshole. he will sell you out, and pretend he's doing you a favour.
mircea_popescu: it is ~regrettable~ linux even got started AT ALL in the current circumstances.
mircea_popescu: had it fizzled in 1993, like so many other vaporware manalone projects, the world today ~would have been better off~.
asciilifeform: lol on what, nt ?
mircea_popescu: on ~whatever linus' lies prevented from existing~.
asciilifeform: from where got idea that it prevented anyffing
mircea_popescu: these fujcking morons managed to turn ~~~AVIATION~~~, humanity's oldest dream, into a LIFETIME NEGATIVE VALUE activity.
asciilifeform: ( i dun even necessarily disagree, but curious re logic )
mircea_popescu: and this is what they do, and this is the bitter fruit whereby you know them : their activity results in things being worse than if they never existed at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think if lincoln didn't show up to fuck up the us constitution under the guise of "black chicks code", the issue of black chicks and coding would have never been addressed or somehow resolved ?
mircea_popescu: give me a fucking break.
mircea_popescu: if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
asciilifeform: not being immortal, i dun deal in 'eventuallies'. fact is that plenty of things for which 'was no linus' still to this day not resolved in any form , and i dun expect to live to see resolved, either masterfully or ineptly
mircea_popescu: right. such as, for instance, a fucking os you can trust.
asciilifeform: e.g.
mircea_popescu: so then what are we talking about.
asciilifeform: or even cpu that dun overflowate.
asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: i would rather die of the fucking colic, than spend time at the shaman's "office" and then die of the colic anyway.
mircea_popescu: linus is the shaman in this picture. i'd have been better off without any linux, than with his sorry ass excuse for an os.
mircea_popescu: and all the people that put in, a man-hour or a man-decade into his project (i don't mean the fucktards, i mean ~the actual people~) could have done something useful in that hour or decade.
mircea_popescu: something eminently NOT supportive of pantsuitism bullshit.
asciilifeform: like what, model airplanes ?
mircea_popescu: like flying their car into the fucking post office.
mircea_popescu: every hour you spend suing the government is an hour you don't spend burning down the police station.
mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
mircea_popescu: there's no free lunch for the pantsuit.
asciilifeform: linux is a sad story for same reason as the sov pdp11 - 'why didja copy liquishit when could have made sane design' 'but CHEAP! and legacy coad! and warez!' it was economic 'forced mistake'.
mircea_popescu: pay, and pay to pay, and pay to pay to pay. and http://trilema.com/2018/the-republic-without-mp/#selection-175.0-175.383
asciilifeform: products of poverty are really all quite alike.
mircea_popescu: in that they end up sold to the man with the bag of shiny beads ?
mircea_popescu: fucking injuns.
asciilifeform: in this also.
asciilifeform: when beads look +ev to the chief -- bang, sold.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855833 << and that's what it always were. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:10 asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
asciilifeform: was however speaking of the other commonality -- the absence of anyffing one might confuse for a design
mircea_popescu: the error to this view is in assigning agency to animals. they had none. whether the proverbial diamonds are in my safe or in my pigs, they're still mine.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/#selection-87.0-91.277 $item.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima take girls out. will be back for more of this later!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
asciilifeform also bbl
jurov: asciilifeform: yes it is on aws. since day one.
jurov: And the IP address mirror is the foundation box where I'm presently migrating the mailinglist.
mircea_popescu: in other not-really-news, i had some "old parr" at bar/disco (that had nothing else). that thing is distinctly the sheep bladders whiskey.
BingoBoingo: Incredilogs
Mocky: BingoBoingo, what did you do for cell service, new local sim for existing phone and ditch old number?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: New local sim
BingoBoingo: Rather than using the cell network services orcs tend to funnel much of their contacting through "Whatsapp" so hygeine accordingly
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I got my sim at a mall kiosk. You may find better luck at the airport.
Mocky: I think I'm going to pick up a cheap unlocked phone as mine isn't unlocked
BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
Mocky: yeah, before I leave
diana_coman: fwiw Mocky I'd suggest unlocking your phone anyway
BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
diana_coman: possibly even buy a bunch of cheap ones, unlock and then just plug into them whatever/wherever sim(s)
asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman et al
asciilifeform: diana_coman : http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/27/tester-for-udp-communications/comment-page-1/#comment-4249
asciilifeform: Mocky: most folx buy local sims if they hang around for any length of time. why wouldja want to pay your telco roaming fee for 8 weeks.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha! let the code stay there though for future reference now
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thing is eminently fit for 'museum of sad ada'
diana_coman: precisely
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interestingly, just about my entire collection of vintage ada, with the exception of that little serpent thing, qualifies for this museum.
diana_coman: really? I thought there was a site you were recommending precisely for "good ada code", wasn't there?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there was a site (nao dead! incidentally.) with didactic/trivial pieces
asciilifeform: but i dun recall a 'good coad'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you find it in the l0gz, plox to link
asciilifeform: then again possibly i would not today agree that it were good, having since renounced e.g. heapism
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-12#1341598 -> this one, asciilifeform? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-12 00:23 asciilifeform: adlai: http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << mega-collection of examples
asciilifeform: aha that's what i was thinking of
asciilifeform: it was ok collection of 'kindergarten' snippets
asciilifeform: ( and nao 404, and afaik there is no copy )
asciilifeform: can't say it was a very dire loss tho.
Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's typically a way to crack pnojes and unlock whether vendor wanted to or not. but you may or may not want to burn the time to do this, a reasonable pnoje can be had for pocket change
asciilifeform: (i.e. one where you can make/receive calls, and maybe even read the l0gz)
asciilifeform bbl,meat
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855579 >> http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/trb/9_30_ProcessBlock.txt << thus far . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:28 asciilifeform: for nao -- simply log'em.
asciilifeform: ^ spoiler/anticlimactic -- loox like just about all new blox on zoolag come from the pizarro noades
asciilifeform: as for others, i dun recall who is 149.56.19.79 but iirc also trb
diana_coman: I don't see 149.56.19.79 in the list of advertised nodes
asciilifeform: ha yes
asciilifeform: i've nfi then who it was
diana_coman: and hm, it seems that it's more like ~all from one single node actually? (pizarro hosted, yes but is that the only one that is hosted by pizarro?)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's at least 2 in there
asciilifeform: ( at pizarro, i mean )
diana_coman: ah, BingoBoingo's, yes
asciilifeform: naa according to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html , it's the tbf one
asciilifeform: 161.0.121.248 .
diana_coman: that is the most useful yes; but also 1 block from 192.187.99.74
asciilifeform: aha, unknown
diana_coman: anyways, I'll get around to patch my node and see what that gets
diana_coman: uhm, what unknown?
asciilifeform: oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not particularly urgent experiment, i dun expect we'll do anyffing constructive with the output until after regrinds etc
asciilifeform: ( my eventual aim there is to attempt a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855574 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:21 asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
diana_coman: k
asciilifeform: i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner
asciilifeform: but the current situation also has problems.
asciilifeform: fwiw hand-addnode'd folx will still appear in the advertised table.
asciilifeform: ( whether or not they supply new blox )
asciilifeform bbl,meat for a while
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855980 >> trying to avoid the poison really, seems pretty light on pests ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:59 BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm << There's still a node running on .253 and .252
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Really you are trying to avoid one particular pest.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chinches
BingoBoingo: The idea is that you luggage soaked in permethrins and other repellent insecticides sits in the airplane or hostel and mad dogs any would be intruders.
BingoBoingo: Travel is a filthy business
BingoBoingo: If you want to do a half measure you can get the shit labeled for use on pet bedding.
Mocky: I don't know, repellent has always been worse for me than any insects. I guess you could call me an insect bite non-responder. Prolly wouldn't use even if I didn't have hard shell luggage
BingoBoingo: AH
Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 20:34 asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855878 << on meditation : wealth, knights (as in http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/#selection-255.0-255.181 sense) and slaves. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png << WTF is an evolving?
mircea_popescu: contemporary polite way of rendering the concept of "lost", i assume.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856047 << not only, but is how linuses are made ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
asciilifeform: pretty much guaranteed ruin.
mircea_popescu: my own read was that linus was run of the mill man-alone, ran into the usual pike ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838412 ) awaiting these. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:23 asciilifeform: (~= 'for erry smart-arse, a threaded cock will be found' )
asciilifeform: possib
asciilifeform: i dunno who then best example in the circuses i'm familiar with
mircea_popescu: that theranos broad.
mircea_popescu: the pharma kiddo
mircea_popescu: there's bunches, but usually in "business", as the us renders the "oligarch" concept when it's domestic rather than abroad.
asciilifeform: i thought that one 'fair and square' swindled its phortune out of moneyed chumpers
mircea_popescu: or maddof.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform swindled, failed to mp with the swindle.
asciilifeform: aa yes
asciilifeform: madoff perfect ex
mircea_popescu: this is that : ambitious moron with krysha forces open some community chest or other, discovers that it wasn't after all mp's glasses that did his reading for him by themselves.
asciilifeform: funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y'
asciilifeform: somehow either fortune or nuffin
mircea_popescu: the will to power is a quest towards meaning, after all. fortune's supposed to MEAN (ie, enact abstraction into carnation) something.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y' << Plenty probably intend to by get hit with lottery winner problem
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm sitting here ordering chickies to love me. it's really fucking unfair.
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855766 << and ben_vulpes and lotta people. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:13 asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
BingoBoingo: In other updates I have acquired a copy of the "Código de Comercio" printed in 2000 at the feria. I also spotted an odd syncretic novelty: "Alfajor Oreo"
mircea_popescu: haha
mircea_popescu: should be fed to an urban negro!
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=34 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/25/2018
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
mircea_popescu: haha, start export bidniss!!1
BingoBoingo: Mocky: That reminds me, make sure to pack a few sets of civilized sunglasses.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
BingoBoingo: If we get a beedog here and further Republcian colonization of the Orient(Latino Edition), people are going to have to eat.
mircea_popescu: lel
BingoBoingo: Reading the package it is Industria Argentina, which means it will be smaller and denser than an alfajore Uruguayo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855888 << i think the important cut is salary-or-theft (ie, are you being raped or being the rapist in the relationship). the mere act of graciously permitting the pantsuited morons to deposit their ~worthless paper bits into your drawers is not in itself anything. children've been doing this since time immemorial, arts-and-crafts'd mom a card for her bday, this doesn't make the woman any mo ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:42 trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
mircea_popescu: re infantile or anything.
mircea_popescu: it's a tempting misread, of course, but the fact that i spend the occasional hour interacting with my interfaces with random "social media" site dun do anything to me. it certainly can't be said "oh, mp is on reddit ; robots count".
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855898 >> maybe I'm too eager ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
mircea_popescu: ie, fisherman and fish both interact with the fishing hook. this happenstance dun make the fisherman a fish -- he interacts with right end in right way.
mircea_popescu: Mocky or maybe your brain works.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 >> I'm not sure what compact means in this context ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
mircea_popescu: kinda like duck will take off at the slightest provocation, but the willow under which it took off will not go anywhere even if buckshot.
mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: in this view then, duck is compact ; willow is fuckt.
Mocky: I guess I've recently gone through a few years worth of life compaction events, more shaking loose each time
mircea_popescu: so the kids are jealous of your advanced age.
mircea_popescu: ever heard the like of this before ?
Mocky: hey, is my secret weapon!
Mocky: by the time i'm down to nothing but a laptop, generator and waffle maker I'll rule the world
mircea_popescu: i have seen waffles baked in the sun!
mircea_popescu: handmade reflector!
Mocky: don't test me
mircea_popescu: lol
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the sack full of gossipd relays
mircea_popescu: these qntra titles...
mircea_popescu: most successful at making me drop shit to see what the fuck now.
BingoBoingo: Well, nearing 4 years of practice
Mocky: what, do they have scrambled ota now?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Not sure, but they alway required a license for OTA, usually enforced through being a flock of NPC non-people like the Uruguayos
BingoBoingo: Gotta pay the BBC somehow
Mocky: good idea with the sunglasses btw
BingoBoingo: I forgot to bring them when I left the habitacion module on the way to the feria. Didn't feel like turning back to retrieve them. 9 km later nursing a sun induced headache.
BingoBoingo: The local options all have lenses trivially tinted and put a blue cast on everything.
BingoBoingo: I am very tempted to price a fuckton of walmart/gas station spec sunglasses and bring them in, sell for 1500 pesos each to foreigners
Mocky: speaking of the sun, it's barely getting up to 80 degrees here anymore making short sleeved motorcycle rides iffy. If only there were some place warmer to go
Mocky: course I cant drive in qa, but looking forward to a second summer
BingoBoingo: I'm kinda curious how the local bikes compare over there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not even a bad idea.
Mocky: which they are coming down of 105 degree summer to 90's autumn, so pretty good timing actually
mircea_popescu: Mocky why can't you drive in qa ?
Mocky: apparently not on a turist visa
mircea_popescu: nfw ?!
mircea_popescu: get one of those international driver's certs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
Mocky: well only one week on turist visa, after that need resident permit or something. i may not have the full story
mircea_popescu: Mocky i somehow doubt you do ; but anyways.
BingoBoingo: mocky AAA does the US international driver certs, place to find out the rules is prolly going to be motorcycle store
Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
BingoBoingo: Qatar is probably car friendlier than Montevideo
mircea_popescu: course more practically, he's prolly selling rather than shipping the bike, and so...
BingoBoingo: Still, Honda Wave is sold just about everywhere but US-istan
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Harley is a rare site here. Anything over 120 cc really is not common
Mocky: shipping bike is loosing proposition, duties make it -ev unless you have expensive bike
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:17 asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: neither a nor b are minor considerations.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i bet you better bike is to be found cheaper 2nd hand there than in the states.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: the new world has some of the shittiest, most overpriced vehicles in the world. second only to their internet/comms.
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456650588-yumbo-cargo-_JM << Typical commercial vehicle here
mircea_popescu: is yumpo jumbo ?
BingoBoingo: I think it is a Chinese import?
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
Mocky: that reminds me of a 'bike' i saw in Austin last year
BingoBoingo: Yumbo and Chinese sounding brands here usually are half or more less than similar Honda/Yamaha models
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-454533524-moto-yumbo-gs-125-cc-iv-mercado-pago-12-cuotas-_JM << "Sporty" alternative
Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
BingoBoingo: Not bad
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes snapped a pic of a real lulzy one during his trip here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855951 << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856046 turns out the lulz weren't that random at all. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
Mocky: also superbike championship will be going on while I'm there https://www.circuitlosail.com/events/2018-world-superbike-championship/
mircea_popescu: o hey
Mocky: which i've never been to, only watched on tv
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855977 << no fucking way, a simm phone is what, 7 bux ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:39 BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
mircea_popescu: stop trying to compute on phone, folks, seriously now. it's bad for your wrists and bad for your sanity. make waffles in waffle maker, phone on phone, computer on computer.
mircea_popescu: a waffle maker that can add is an unremarkable waffle maker and a very bad mathematician.
Mocky: computing on phone for me has a couple of big wins. one is my workout app with 5 years of weight lifting logs useful while in the gym ~every day. the other is weather app that shows rainfall prediction graph at your location by the minute for next hour. priceless info for biker
Mocky: and maps with turn by turn directions while on bike and can't handle a map...
mircea_popescu: i... guess.
mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856000 << i kinda don't follow the logic here ? i thought unlocking is a take-ownership-of-item-in-possession affair, what's the color of bits to do with anything ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:54 Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: anyway, airbnb not necessarily bad, might be able to meet useful people too.
Mocky: re unlocking phone, hey if there was a reliable unlock procedure for my phone model I'd take it, but I've failed to find one. 'I don't really own it' is symmetrical with 'I haven't really paid for it'
mircea_popescu: paid whom ?
mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking symmetry. only subjects capable of ownership are in the wot. there is no franchise, meaning no voice and no ~capacity of ownership~ outside of wort.
Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
mircea_popescu: what's next, "i've not really paid wolf for forest" ?
mircea_popescu: they paid the homage that was due of them.
mircea_popescu: at&t, like any other usg agency, is not a business in any sense. it is a conduit whereby the usg pays people the rent it owes for the continuance of its (otherwise baseless) pretense to existence.
mircea_popescu: "welfare state". that's what the words mean.
Mocky: it's been a hell of a lot of me paying them and scant them paying me
mircea_popescu: this'd be entirely your issue, strange optics on your part.
mircea_popescu: there are also folk to go to the brothel to please the whores. it's not forbidden.
Mocky: but i imagine few who go into brothel and get paid by the whores
mircea_popescu: this is breaking the comparison.
Mocky: it does break the comparison. but I still don't see it
mircea_popescu: brothel objectively exists ; whores really are whores. some people go to theatre and pay the actors, IF THE ACTORS ARE THAT GOOD. but in general, most wanna-be actors PAY to be not-outright-thrown-offstage. like in both http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-69.246-69.505 and http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-69.0-73.177
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing an imaginary alt-usg "as it could have been". we are discussing the usg that is.
mircea_popescu: the usg that "is" gotta pay to continue to somewhat-get to claim it exists.
mircea_popescu: and pay to pay ; and pay to pay to pay.
asciilifeform eats l0gz...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856035 << fwiw despite BingoBoingo's 'exterminator's eye' view , not errything and errywhere is infested, asciilifeform for instance toured BingoBoingostan (and even the infamous hostel) for just short of week and not bitten 1ce ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:29 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chinches
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856042 << oh hah, curious, why ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856096 << actually even worse than this, but will elaborate in diff thread and only if somebody specifically insists ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:44 mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856109 << am i the only one who read this title and thought 'they showed fat chix instead of boxer' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
Mocky: made me think of 'British PM fucks pig on live TV' from black mirror
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856134 << this is interesting : i dun think i saw even ONE adult motorcycle in BingoBoingostan, only those starvation-cheap chinese things ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:08 Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
asciilifeform: ( petrol is quite dear there, could be the reason )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856144 << you moved the ~fence~ ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856153 << lol, cheaper than lappy ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:14 BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
asciilifeform: leaf blower engine..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856155 << dafuq, sov tractor ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:15 Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
Mocky: driving down the street in the middle of austin like he owned the place
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's a commercial variant that's popular where i live, tricycle-motorcycle. all of the hospital bills, none of the vroom, i have nfi what is the appeal..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856181 << lol i was quite certain until today that this practice were extinct ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:23 Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
asciilifeform: ( not esp. surprised that the lone surviver is at&t, the single worst bang-for-bux carrier in usa that i know of )
asciilifeform: phunphakt, it isn't even related to the infamous at&t monopoly, it is the thing formerly called 'cingular' in '90s, they simply purchased the trade name
Mocky: can-am's, trikes for old bikers who can't balance on two wheels anymore with bertha on the back
Mocky: or who can balance but nagged into extra stability wheel
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856140 << while i get mircea_popescu's angle of 'linus quisling, was always quisling then' , imho moar complicated, d00d did keep systemdism etc out of the kernel for 20yrs, somehow. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
asciilifeform: could have taken the 30 silvers and turned into esr in 1999, didn't.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856171 << btw after my voyages with navigate-by-pnoje and the attendant frustrations with shit reception / bw tolls, invested in cheapo wrist-sized passive satellite thing. 0 maps, but will take you to specific coordinates, save waypoints, etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
asciilifeform: bring paper map.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856179 << generally i dun buy crippleware unless i a) have or b) plan to bake (e.g. c101pa) a crack. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
asciilifeform: life is too short for crippleware imho.
asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
asciilifeform: ( on voyage to BingoBoingostan, i left my navigator at home, then alternated between regretting it, and then thinking 'but i can go faster..' )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform has longer legs and better stamina stat than his navigator )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz it was becoming a pain in the ass. always this work/reward paradigm, i tried it out for a while but eventually seemed meh.
asciilifeform: in other minor noose, 100% of blox since this morning on zoolag are from tbf/pizarro, with exception of 1, from mod6's 208.94.240.42.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what was the orig logic
mircea_popescu: something term-limited sessions.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems a great way to go about things, theoretically.
asciilifeform: by my reckoning, if $client is porous, resetting it periodically won't help any moar than rebooting winblowz does; if not porous, then waste
asciilifeform: it does broadcast the fact that you still have yer key, there's that tho.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a matter of client being porous, though it ~is~ freenode.
asciilifeform: ( personally i'd rather not trumpet 'oh he unsheaths key erry morning at 6', it tempts the white van. but mebbe justme)
mircea_popescu: eh, van schman. but yes, sitting down and thinking about it it became obvious enough that it's not all that clear to me neither what problem i'm supposedly solving nor why exactly what i'm doing is a solution. suddenly looked like so much wasted effort.
asciilifeform has entire zoo of systems like this, sometimes goes 'wtf' and tears one down, then weeks later remembers why built it...
mircea_popescu: entirely possibru
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856234 << man was not made to "alone". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 22:49 asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
mircea_popescu: if you don't know how to get to toilet, you have problems gizmos won't fix ; and if going anywhere else why the fuck are you by yourself.
asciilifeform: ya was made to work in full platoon. but one 'goes to war with army he has, not wished he had'(tm)
asciilifeform: witness e.g. Mocky , going deep behind lines alone.
asciilifeform: ( as did BingoBoingo )