mircea_popescu: hey, whole republic is built out of trying out the civilised things various empires came up with. some fruit better than others.
mircea_popescu: it's not directly evident to me that foundation as it currently stands is factually more than a permanent drain on mod6 's worktime.
mircea_popescu: this question is confounded, because he does a lot of copyediting and general maintenance for all sorts of work that'd have to be done anyway,
mircea_popescu: in principle. but our values are very much in the vein of debirocratization, after all. somehow i fear it's more of a haskellism than anything.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 : how much time approximately ~does~ it burn ? << I'm not even sure I can put a number on it exactly. I put a lot of time in. It's a huge responsibility.
mircea_popescu: i kinda have in the back of my mind this impression that poor shane's ended up stuck with a large number of loose ends to juggle.
☟︎ mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: and wouldja rather be doing sumthing else ? << Yeah, I think four years is enough, I think someone else should take over.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is it a major source of unhappiness and anxiety in your life ?
mod6: Fresh ideas, new enthusiasm, etc.
mod6: mircea_popescu: not at all. I'm proud to do the work.
mircea_popescu: are you practically solo chair these days or do you hold meetings with ben_vulpes and so on ?
mod6: I used to collaborate much more with the man, but he's been afk for quite some time.
mod6: asciilifeform: Correct.
mod6: Overall, yes. I think we need to determine if the entire thing is worthwhile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc it was kinda chartered with carte blanche, "do whatever, just do". the way history flew it worked out as a sort of "holder of trb project" pretty much yes.
mod6: People contribute, and do things. It would be very nice to have more consistant help with testing and other things. It hasn't been too bad just doing it myself, but with Pizarro in the picture (esepcially when was acting manager), having to do it all was hard.
mircea_popescu: i mean, let's not get too anachronistic, most of the things that are "forever held true and known" today have been invented last wednesday ; at the time tbf was invented, none of the notions of collaboration meanwhile spawned out of v usage were even apprehended. not even a glimmer in the lords' eyes...
mod6: I think trinque would be a great candidate for Foundation Co-Chair. (As I've said before).
mircea_popescu: certainly it has that advantage, which no pantsuit item ever could point to, of being VERY conservativewly run and as a result decent roi through keeping denominator down.
trinque: as it stands the deedbot wallet project is a hand-cranked charity I run, really want to see that thing move towards paid subscription services before I take on something else.
trinque: folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
☟︎ trinque: yes, hot-wallet will be a subscription service
trinque: no, recall I move my arse to a printer and hand crank all !!withdraw currently
trinque: beyond hot-wallet-subscription, notions of trb-as-a-service sit, for in-WoT developers that want highly available programming interfaces to a trb fleet
trinque: first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
☟︎ trinque: would like ben_vulpes to chime in here too.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 asciilifeform: trinque: do you have a subscription model in the works ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 19:24 mircea_popescu: trinque is this something you'd be interested in doing ? expand deedbot thusly, maybe charge chans a fee ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:24 trinque: folks are also going to expect cuntoo leadership out of me shortly.
mircea_popescu: is there any objection to this, incidentally ? letting trinque be a sort of one man cuntoo foundation ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:33 trinque: first thing is to define what the foundation is. steward of patches/seals, ML, yes, what else?
ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: this has the advantage of aligning tbf with how things actually work in the republic, as driven forward by the hands of those doing the work.
ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: (elsewhere, saws buzz, coats of poly are applied, a decade of life-dross triaged and arrangements made to ship the most-valued and useful posessions across the continent continue...)
trinque: yeh, this is why I prefer strapping myself to a business requirement for trb working well, rather than joining up on TBF
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 23:29 trinque: which incidentally is a great segue to hey esthlos, when am I getting such a thing with which to cuntoo?
ben_vulpes: did what, as far as mod6 and i could tell, it needed to.
esthlos:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << as to this, the initial release (this weekend) will use gnupatch. I tried to design the thing so that I can swap out the patcher for my own afterwords. eventually my own mcilroy should make its way in.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 17:49 asciilifeform: esthlos's thing calls to gnupatch ?! ugh
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
ben_vulpes: inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in their blogs etc), he can join the republic and ask for the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
ben_vulpes: i do not advocate that tbf hide the sauce away, dun fear
ben_vulpes: mm, i didn't mean to suggest 'republic only' trb net. it is however a pretty sane client for the extant network, and perhaps there is value in gating access to such a gem from teh hoi polloi. what with trinque's impending hotwallet patches and his demonstration of their value with trb services, the gem will become only of more value.
ben_vulpes: so then what loss? if heathen has changed religion what are they doing out of church
ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:01 ben_vulpes: by and large i saw the responsibility to ensure that the reference bitcoin client source stayed available to the republic, although at the time i recall a more "to everyone" flavor in my own thinking.
mircea_popescu certainly was informed by a lot more "for everyone" pov five or ten years ago.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:04 ben_vulpes: it also carves off an unsightly imho pantsuit wart upon the side of the republic, a "non-profit organization" with names and caftans etc.
ben_vulpes: on the thread of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855797, upon meditation, tbf was willing to host kids' projects at various points. didn't, in the case of lobbes, because he didn't take funding. kids ever-declining cost next to tbfs kitty inclines me to continue considering these projects.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:03 ben_vulpes: for that reason, largely only spending cash on hosting services. recently also a few hardware nodes. it creates work for mod6 in the vein of the monthly reports. perhaps a nutty suggestion, but it could cleanly be wound down (the charter modified), and mod6 to continue the monthly reports on his blog.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: "ensure access to the mainline set of patches" was the best i ever came up with for an operating thesis.
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855843 << absolutely. however i see risk of a tendency to 'lender of last resort' misbehaviors if unchecked (by whom?! forum clearly. which you address in your point re not throwing out everything the pantsuits touch.)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:16 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the seed funding it provided for pizarro for instance seems a very legitimate approach, "if your project has merit you get a little bit from foundation, helps other people commit." this works well in pantsuitlands too, but i suspect because it;s sound objectively.
ben_vulpes: pizarro seemed a) worthwhile endeavour b) could be let fail and the experiment run again c) had good odds of rescue mission succeeding for a time.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:40 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << to the extent ( and it is a ~substantial~ extent ) that a healthy btc net relies on ~widely~ available sane client, incl yes even for miners, to limit in any way the distribution of trb src is imho catastrophically stupid idea.
ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: well obviously someone sees the value in it as at least a testbed, what cost to him of registering a key.
trinque: big difference ftr between "lender of last resort" and "startup incubator"
trinque: the latter again, tainted by pantsuit stink, yet businesses do get started.
trinque: one thing that looks interesting externally is tbh throwing first doing something to actively seek out non-knuckleheads (yo esthlos, what do you do for a living again?) and see if a quarter or two of float can get folks building things that put hard pressure on trb thriving.
trinque: rather than trying to think of ways to throw money directly at trb. it by itself dun want any, or anything.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:14 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense it's very much a question come to fore, "wtf is foundation actually expected to do". i know for myself it very much is expected to not do anything like hinder keccak adoption, but this seems both a small and a remote point.
trinque: as the chairs appear to have money, but not time, the investor role seems to fit best.
trinque: good investments oughta be able to drive new customers to pizarro for infrastructure.
trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
☟︎ trinque: see what I said about seeding businesses
trinque: their time is short because they're all pulling salaries in shitland
trinque: no offense to anyone involved
trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
☟︎ trinque: speculative proposal is to have tbf do same snapping up of their l2, see what happens.
trinque: this isn't me gunning for a seed round for myself.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:24 ben_vulpes: not surfacing every single person capable of operating a v for subsequent filtering of whether or not they are ready to convert also yields.
mircea_popescu: people using your software that are the usual sort of idiots... you ain't got anything going there.
mircea_popescu: i see the point of hind-front, though ideally not entirely as a time function.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: yes, wealthier and larger l1. but the only way there is through talk to more people ; and pointedly not through imagining things.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
mircea_popescu: this hasn't improved, since 2011, or since 2016. in fact, drastically agravated.
mircea_popescu: i can not possibly think of one single name that satisfies all of a) is relevant to bitcoin ; b) is not in l1 and c) is not so fucking stupid, own feces constitute a good portion of its diet.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:47 asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
mircea_popescu: and so following. shit rots because it's shit, not because will to power.
mircea_popescu: miners have today exactly all the options they had in 2015.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant politically, not technologically. yes, technologically they owe us more than they owe their mom & dad.
mircea_popescu: segwit was always a matter of "hipsters & doofuses community chests, someone takes it all sometime"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855832 << translating the scripture has the significant disadvantage that all sorts of morons "get to thinking" about "how it should be", down the line you end up with anglicanism, protestantisms, etc. the fact that scripture is written in human language is not "impediment put in way of orcs".
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:08 asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
mircea_popescu: what impedes them is not it, but everything-not-it, namely : themselves. their miserable orc nature. if it washes, let it wash, and if it doesn't wash, let them hang.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ thing you get out of "removing obstacles" is another linus debacle, whereby you belabour for however many decades under the false flag of an unredeemable asshole. he will sell you out, and pretend he's doing you a favour.
mircea_popescu: it is ~regrettable~ linux even got started AT ALL in the current circumstances.
mircea_popescu: had it fizzled in 1993, like so many other vaporware manalone projects, the world today ~would have been better off~.
mircea_popescu: these fujcking morons managed to turn ~~~AVIATION~~~, humanity's oldest dream, into a LIFETIME NEGATIVE VALUE activity.
mircea_popescu: and this is what they do, and this is the bitter fruit whereby you know them : their activity results in things being worse than if they never existed at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think if lincoln didn't show up to fuck up the us constitution under the guise of "black chicks code", the issue of black chicks and coding would have never been addressed or somehow resolved ?
mircea_popescu: if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: right. such as, for instance, a fucking os you can trust.
mircea_popescu: i would rather die of the fucking colic, than spend time at the shaman's "office" and then die of the colic anyway.
mircea_popescu: linus is the shaman in this picture. i'd have been better off without any linux, than with his sorry ass excuse for an os.
mircea_popescu: and all the people that put in, a man-hour or a man-decade into his project (i don't mean the fucktards, i mean ~the actual people~) could have done something useful in that hour or decade.
mircea_popescu: something eminently NOT supportive of pantsuitism bullshit.
mircea_popescu: every hour you spend suing the government is an hour you don't spend burning down the police station.
mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in that they end up sold to the man with the bag of shiny beads ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:10 asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
mircea_popescu: the error to this view is in assigning agency to animals. they had none. whether the proverbial diamonds are in my safe or in my pigs, they're still mine.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima take girls out. will be back for more of this later!
jurov: asciilifeform: yes it is on aws. since day one.
jurov: And the IP address mirror is the foundation box where I'm presently migrating the mailinglist.
mircea_popescu: in other not-really-news, i had some "old parr" at bar/disco (that had nothing else). that thing is distinctly the sheep bladders whiskey.
Mocky: BingoBoingo, what did you do for cell service, new local sim for existing phone and ditch old number?
BingoBoingo: Rather than using the cell network services orcs tend to funnel much of their contacting through "Whatsapp" so hygeine accordingly
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I got my sim at a mall kiosk. You may find better luck at the airport.
Mocky: I think I'm going to pick up a cheap unlocked phone as mine isn't unlocked
BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
☟︎ Mocky: yeah, before I leave
diana_coman: fwiw Mocky I'd suggest unlocking your phone anyway
BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
☟︎ diana_coman: possibly even buy a bunch of cheap ones, unlock and then just plug into them whatever/wherever sim(s)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha! let the code stay there though for future reference now
diana_coman: really? I thought there was a site you were recommending precisely for "good ada code", wasn't there?
Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:28 asciilifeform: for nao -- simply log'em.
diana_coman: I don't see 149.56.19.79 in the list of advertised nodes
diana_coman: and hm, it seems that it's more like ~all from one single node actually? (pizarro hosted, yes but is that the only one that is hosted by pizarro?)
diana_coman: that is the most useful yes; but also 1 block from 192.187.99.74
diana_coman: anyways, I'll get around to patch my node and see what that gets
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:21 asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:59 BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm << There's still a node running on .253 and .252
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Really you are trying to avoid one particular pest.
BingoBoingo: The idea is that you luggage soaked in permethrins and other repellent insecticides sits in the airplane or hostel and mad dogs any would be intruders.
BingoBoingo: If you want to do a half measure you can get the shit labeled for use on pet bedding.
Mocky: I don't know, repellent has always been worse for me than any insects. I guess you could call me an insect bite non-responder. Prolly wouldn't use even if I didn't have hard shell luggage
Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 20:34 asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
mircea_popescu: contemporary polite way of rendering the concept of "lost", i assume.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:23 asciilifeform: (~= 'for erry smart-arse, a threaded cock will be found' )
mircea_popescu: there's bunches, but usually in "business", as the us renders the "oligarch" concept when it's domestic rather than abroad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform swindled, failed to mp with the swindle.
mircea_popescu: this is that : ambitious moron with krysha forces open some community chest or other, discovers that it wasn't after all mp's glasses that did his reading for him by themselves.
mircea_popescu: the will to power is a quest towards meaning, after all. fortune's supposed to MEAN (ie, enact abstraction into carnation) something.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y' << Plenty probably intend to by get hit with lottery winner problem
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm sitting here ordering chickies to love me. it's really fucking unfair.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:13 asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
BingoBoingo: In other updates I have acquired a copy of the "Código de Comercio" printed in 2000 at the feria. I also spotted an odd syncretic novelty: "Alfajor Oreo"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: That reminds me, make sure to pack a few sets of civilized sunglasses.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
BingoBoingo: If we get a beedog here and further Republcian colonization of the Orient(Latino Edition), people are going to have to eat.
BingoBoingo: Reading the package it is Industria Argentina, which means it will be smaller and denser than an alfajore Uruguayo
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855888 << i think the important cut is salary-or-theft (ie, are you being raped or being the rapist in the relationship). the mere act of graciously permitting the pantsuited morons to deposit their ~worthless paper bits into your drawers is not in itself anything. children've been doing this since time immemorial, arts-and-crafts'd mom a card for her bday, this doesn't make the woman any mo
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:42 trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
mircea_popescu: it's a tempting misread, of course, but the fact that i spend the occasional hour interacting with my interfaces with random "social media" site dun do anything to me. it certainly can't be said "oh, mp is on reddit ; robots count".
mircea_popescu: ie, fisherman and fish both interact with the fishing hook. this happenstance dun make the fisherman a fish -- he interacts with right end in right way.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kinda like duck will take off at the slightest provocation, but the willow under which it took off will not go anywhere even if buckshot.
mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
Mocky: I guess I've recently gone through a few years worth of life compaction events, more shaking loose each time
Mocky: hey, is my secret weapon!
Mocky: by the time i'm down to nothing but a laptop, generator and waffle maker I'll rule the world
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the sack full of gossipd relays
mircea_popescu: most successful at making me drop shit to see what the fuck now.
Mocky: what, do they have scrambled ota now?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Not sure, but they alway required a license for OTA, usually enforced through being a flock of NPC non-people like the Uruguayos
Mocky: good idea with the sunglasses btw
BingoBoingo: I forgot to bring them when I left the habitacion module on the way to the feria. Didn't feel like turning back to retrieve them. 9 km later nursing a sun induced headache.
BingoBoingo: The local options all have lenses trivially tinted and put a blue cast on everything.
BingoBoingo: I am very tempted to price a fuckton of walmart/gas station spec sunglasses and bring them in, sell for 1500 pesos each to foreigners
Mocky: speaking of the sun, it's barely getting up to 80 degrees here anymore making short sleeved motorcycle rides iffy. If only there were some place warmer to go
Mocky: course I cant drive in qa, but looking forward to a second summer
BingoBoingo: I'm kinda curious how the local bikes compare over there.
Mocky: which they are coming down of 105 degree summer to 90's autumn, so pretty good timing actually
Mocky: apparently not on a turist visa
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
Mocky: well only one week on turist visa, after that need resident permit or something. i may not have the full story
BingoBoingo: mocky AAA does the US international driver certs, place to find out the rules is prolly going to be motorcycle store
Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Qatar is probably car friendlier than Montevideo
mircea_popescu: course more practically, he's prolly selling rather than shipping the bike, and so...
BingoBoingo: Still, Honda Wave is sold just about everywhere but US-istan
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Harley is a rare site here. Anything over 120 cc really is not common
Mocky: shipping bike is loosing proposition, duties make it -ev unless you have expensive bike
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:17 asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i bet you better bike is to be found cheaper 2nd hand there than in the states.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: the new world has some of the shittiest, most overpriced vehicles in the world. second only to their internet/comms.
Mocky: that reminds me of a 'bike' i saw in Austin last year
BingoBoingo: Yumbo and Chinese sounding brands here usually are half or more less than similar Honda/Yamaha models
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes snapped a pic of a real lulzy one during his trip here
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
Mocky: which i've never been to, only watched on tv
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:39 BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
mircea_popescu: stop trying to compute on phone, folks, seriously now. it's bad for your wrists and bad for your sanity. make waffles in waffle maker, phone on phone, computer on computer.
mircea_popescu: a waffle maker that can add is an unremarkable waffle maker and a very bad mathematician.
Mocky: computing on phone for me has a couple of big wins. one is my workout app with 5 years of weight lifting logs useful while in the gym ~every day. the other is weather app that shows rainfall prediction graph at your location by the minute for next hour. priceless info for biker
Mocky: and maps with turn by turn directions while on bike and can't handle a map...
mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:54 Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: anyway, airbnb not necessarily bad, might be able to meet useful people too.
Mocky: re unlocking phone, hey if there was a reliable unlock procedure for my phone model I'd take it, but I've failed to find one. 'I don't really own it' is symmetrical with 'I haven't really paid for it'
mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's no fucking symmetry. only subjects capable of ownership are in the wot. there is no franchise, meaning no voice and no ~capacity of ownership~ outside of wort.
Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
☟︎ mircea_popescu: at&t, like any other usg agency, is not a business in any sense. it is a conduit whereby the usg pays people the rent it owes for the continuance of its (otherwise baseless) pretense to existence.
Mocky: it's been a hell of a lot of me paying them and scant them paying me
mircea_popescu: this'd be entirely your issue, strange optics on your part.
mircea_popescu: there are also folk to go to the brothel to please the whores. it's not forbidden.
Mocky: but i imagine few who go into brothel and get paid by the whores
Mocky: it does break the comparison. but I still don't see it
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing an imaginary alt-usg "as it could have been". we are discussing the usg that is.
mircea_popescu: the usg that "is" gotta pay to continue to somewhat-get to claim it exists.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:44 mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
Mocky: made me think of 'British PM fucks pig on live TV' from black mirror
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:08 Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
Mocky: driving down the street in the middle of austin like he owned the place
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:23 Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
Mocky: can-am's, trikes for old bikers who can't balance on two wheels anymore with bertha on the back
Mocky: or who can balance but nagged into extra stability wheel
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz it was becoming a pain in the ass. always this work/reward paradigm, i tried it out for a while but eventually seemed meh.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems a great way to go about things, theoretically.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a matter of client being porous, though it ~is~ freenode.
mircea_popescu: eh, van schman. but yes, sitting down and thinking about it it became obvious enough that it's not all that clear to me neither what problem i'm supposedly solving nor why exactly what i'm doing is a solution. suddenly looked like so much wasted effort.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 22:49 asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
mircea_popescu: if you don't know how to get to toilet, you have problems gizmos won't fix ; and if going anywhere else why the fuck are you by yourself.