asciilifeform: so far i'm getting surprisingly good result

asciilifeform: (close to theoretical max sync rate on the given box)

asciilifeform: ^ achtung, panzerz !!

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-14#1323387 is terribly, horribly wrong, disregard. ☝︎

asciilifeform: the correct, Troo , algo, is the one used in phf's vtron.

asciilifeform: lolk

asciilifeform: i didn't either, for 1st hr or so

asciilifeform: if yer surrounded by ocean of prb, it does 0

asciilifeform: trinque: i'd especially luvv a depythonized and deperlized one

asciilifeform: the constant and entirely unnecessary reset of history is imho urbit-like and a Bad Thing. e.g. polarbeard ain't coming back to regrind his patches, nor is punkman

asciilifeform: a vtron ought to have programmable hash knob.

asciilifeform: forget revered

asciilifeform: i have a flounder , bought at bucharest flea market, preserved in epoxy like mircea_popescu's kindergartener

asciilifeform: but dun... revere it

asciilifeform: tools get updated, idiocies removed, etc. but the HISTORY gotta stay.

asciilifeform: otherwise it gets repeated.

asciilifeform: if vtron dun know about it, it's as good as gone

asciilifeform: who said 'support sha2'. said : 'programmable hash knob'

asciilifeform: i.e. vtron not married to a hasher.

asciilifeform: takes cmdline arg for standalone hasher.

asciilifeform: why does it have to ship ~with~ keccak

asciilifeform: keccak is a req'd util , lives on the box

asciilifeform: usa 'restaurants' are getting , slowly, to where folx will be carryin' folding forks in their boots again

asciilifeform: like it were 1941

asciilifeform: aaactually...

asciilifeform: !#s tsort

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258158 << subj ☝︎

asciilifeform did not use it in vtron, because insufficiently illustrative

asciilifeform: https://ss64.com/bash/tsort.html << subj x2.

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757748 << plox to snarf vpatch ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 , phf , apeloyee, diana_coman , PeterL, all ffaists : ^ ptronic puzzle included! gentlemen, start yer engines...

asciilifeform: !!up neur0

asciilifeform: neur0: clock's ticking

asciilifeform: neur0: consider reading the logs ?

asciilifeform: neur0: http://btcbase.org/log

asciilifeform: can't say that i am, shinohai

asciilifeform: they have a , what, 32byte slot allocated for the output of 'find out' ..?

asciilifeform: ty phf !

asciilifeform: congrats to phf , the 1st winner of ch4 puzzler.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757842 << the wp 'code' plugin is massive headache, i've been fighting it since ch1 . ( e.g in ch4 i had to replace the " in ('"') with a similar-looking uniturd, because double-escape is apparently impossible ) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ^ this in re: to the ~www~ text strictly !!

asciilifeform: ( i.e. nothing ~inside~ the vpatch, suffers )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757839 << this is pretty neat idea ☝︎

asciilifeform: in other noose, 'aggression' patch is apparently ~the~ pill against what ailed zoolag; 482253 -> 484621 in ~12hr , previously that was 3-4 day's worth

asciilifeform: ( naturally , this is not a Troo Rigorous test. that'd go as i described, 2 identical, save for 'aggression', boxen, on 2 identical pipes )

asciilifeform: the current test on zoolag, however, is mighty interesting: after floundering in a sea of prb for ~hour, thing's been loading blocks almost continuously. at this rate will actually sync in a week or so.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this one isn't a wp problem per se, it's interaction b/w wp and the colorizer thing

asciilifeform: took a bit of massage to get it to stop mutilating >, <, &

asciilifeform: < , <, & , did not have to uniturd, there are ready-made escapes for these

asciilifeform: err, >

asciilifeform: i'ma prolly have to rewrite the code-formatter plugin thing, it insists on autoprocessing to emplace the escapes, but does not do ~mismatched~ double-quotes

asciilifeform: the as-is incurably kills it, because unpaired quote.

asciilifeform: ( being a code formatter, it naively insists on colouring the inside of the double-quotes... )

asciilifeform: author, apparently, did not give it any ability to distinguish 'standalone double-quote because actually need it' from 'idjit user forgot to close the " '

asciilifeform: well how would it dwim. gotta offer an explicit escape. and the thing, apparently, doesn't.

asciilifeform: ( and can't simply use the html escape notation, because it gets literalized by the code-formatter )

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to write a correct module, but prolly not by homo-phpicus.

asciilifeform: whip has curative power but apparently wasn't enuff for, e.g., microshit

asciilifeform: cargocultism?

asciilifeform often tries to picture what kind of software would have been written under stalin, if there had been on-what

asciilifeform: it's a stretch, conceptually, sure

asciilifeform: but i did say ~under~ stalin, not 'by'

asciilifeform: kurchatov was able to work in conceptual sphere, and not only without interference but with offer of 'tell us who is getting in the way, he'll be gone next morning'

asciilifeform: and very muchly under stalin.

asciilifeform: there was a specific conversation, legendarily:

asciilifeform: stalin summoned kurchatov to the throne room, and described to him 'we're gonna have a cleanup, in physics, like in genetics, what do you think'

asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.' ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: s replied 'bomb'

asciilifeform: then next wk 'tell us who is trying to be philosophical, and getting in the way...' ☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. sorta why i retell it nao.

asciilifeform: it pertains.

asciilifeform: it also only works where you have a throne room. would do 0 against a fungus.

asciilifeform: kurchatov could strike a gentleman's understanding with stalin. but would have 'snowball's chance in hell' against a committee.

asciilifeform: from pov of committee chair-warmer, 'something happening' is as desirable as an out-of-ordinary day at nuke power station

asciilifeform: !#s from:mircea_popescu nothing happen

asciilifeform: ^ recurring thread

asciilifeform: there remains the possibility that it was not, yet, in the l0gz...

asciilifeform: see also :

asciilifeform: !#s societal security

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-11#1450220 << thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: well-known episode aha

asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, but before i fughet, observation : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1755826 i.e. bastardry handler, is unproductive because it asks 'fill in what we're missing', but 99 out of 100 shots, that's ~another~ bastard. really instead it ought to either 1) send a normal pushgetblocks() to the bastard-emitter , asking him for the ~one and only block we won't reject~, it being the immediately-next-one-after-our-topheight , or ☝︎

asciilifeform: , 2 ) disconnect from him )

asciilifeform: this'd matter moar in practice if 'aggressive' node saw many bastards . but it now sees very few, because immediately pushgetblocks() when it gets visited.

asciilifeform: thing's been purring along, incidentally, at almost 100% blockverificationdutycycle, for most of a day nao.

asciilifeform: almost like it were 2012 again...

asciilifeform: in ~1wk i expect to learn how it behaves at tip.

asciilifeform: ( supposing ben_vulpes et al , dun report sooner )

asciilifeform: ... as mircea_popescu prolly intuited , it remains possible that 'aggression' takes the trb<->prb link breakage from , say, the 80% of before, to 100% , and i would not learn about it until reaching tip.

asciilifeform: and speaking of this, can haz patch that logs ~from what kind of node~ each ACCEPTED block came ? ( or do i have to do errything meself..? )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, idea being that it is conceivable that 'aggression' increases isolation . i cannot yet rule it out.

asciilifeform: well right nao it's pulling blox from other trb's, at ~100% efficiency

asciilifeform: exactly like what an unpatched trb does for first hour or three of boot

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: it is possible that it will improve block reception at the expense of outgoing tx propagation.

asciilifeform: ( and may have to be turned into a toggle knob )

asciilifeform: ... it is equally conceivable that the thing is a pure win, and dun need to become a knob. we'll see.

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque what do you recommend for a talking-in-chan bot-tron ? i'd like to hook up 'ffacalc'... ☟︎

asciilifeform: nothing, took me a minute or so to recall that indeed it is posted

asciilifeform: now only remains to plug it in

asciilifeform: and i'll add that if somebody other than asciilifeform feels like doing this operation, i will take off my hat

asciilifeform: ( i recommend bolting the width in place to 256 , to keep lines short )

asciilifeform: ( ... at least until operation 'X' , i.e. mod-exp, is defined ! )

asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu , was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-07#1623064 q ever resolved ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: because there's a possibility of speeding sync 100-200x... ( the obvious way. if block sha512's, or keccak's, etc. to a checksum-cum-heighposition that is signed by node owner's l1 -- then ACCEPT )

asciilifeform: not quite cosmetic, this. potentially massive speedup .

asciilifeform: as in , stand up new node in 1wk, instead of 3-4 months.

asciilifeform: it ain't a substitute for the cut-up, no.

asciilifeform: indeed

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox to elaborate re 'as large as will be'

asciilifeform: aaa

asciilifeform: this is exactly the picture asciilifeform drew last yr, aha.

asciilifeform: ( for some reason everybody always asks 'how'll you pass out the coins', but this is orthogonal problem! )

asciilifeform: well e.g. ben_vulpes asked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754135 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's answer is 'first you pillage , ~then~ you burn, fughetabout it for the time being, have an algo for the basic mechanics that makes sense, first ! )

asciilifeform: and yes.

asciilifeform: could, but then you get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: which is retarded.

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu has thought of a meaning for it that doesn't 'a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' -- i'm all ears

asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but i dun see the algo 'between the lines' here

asciilifeform: ok..

asciilifeform: dun tell me we gotta have the ring signatures thread again

asciilifeform: process of elimination?

asciilifeform: ok..

asciilifeform: what does signature even mean, if folx habitually sign both P and ~P

asciilifeform: or do i miss something

asciilifeform: consider, what do you do in your wot housekeeping ~today~ to people who habitually sign P ~and~ ~P

asciilifeform: nah, there's a time parameter

asciilifeform: 1 way, would be by going to his own cellar and fetching optical disk where he has ~his~ mpi

asciilifeform: sorta like what archaeologists do already.

asciilifeform: it proves only to him, naturally

asciilifeform: how could it prove to anyone else.

asciilifeform: there is not, nor could there be, a fixed-star for existence proofs. even classical blockchain has the obvious limitations ( discussed numerously, see l0gz )

asciilifeform: ( if you ~could~ get a 'fixed star' , all sorts of marvels not found in nature become possible, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621087 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'blockchain'ism is simply a very expensive means of approximating a solution to this problem.

asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nxnWA/?raw=true << or for that matter anybody else using trinque-bot -- any idea what gives ? i followed the example in the readme...

asciilifeform: oooh i think i see why. ben_vulpes's 'multiple-channels' patch mutilated it

asciilifeform: ( how the fuck did it ever work , ben_vulpes ?? )

asciilifeform: you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes ) ☟︎

asciilifeform rewound to trinque's original, which in fact worx.

asciilifeform: no eyes involved, i pressed and used trinque's original usage.txt and got barf

asciilifeform: only then, had to unsheath eyes.

asciilifeform: anyway , worx, now all i need is to think of how to properly cut the output so as not to straddle message breaks...

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aa see i was making a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757976 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: it isn't even impossible that there's only been 1 block in past 2hrs, say

asciilifeform: i'ma thinking already about next level of possible 'aggression' : namely to pushgetblocks() at ALL running peers, if >20min pass, say, without a new block received

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: consider making a patch ?

asciilifeform: it'll be, what, 4-5 lines.

asciilifeform: ^ useful

asciilifeform: right up there with 'from-where-i-got-ACCEPTED-block'

asciilifeform: ( also in the log )

asciilifeform: that already printed ( the latter , in classical trb, mutilated )

asciilifeform: what i'd like to see is 'was it from a trb?'

asciilifeform: i'd like to get a sense for where blocks come from.

asciilifeform: and from where only rubbish comes.

asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that we already had this thread

asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but asciilifeform often ( almost always, in fact ) runs trb during tests, in pure userland, making use of 0 systemwide loggings )

asciilifeform: it must remain useful when printing to stdio

asciilifeform: yea i can't think of any reason whynot.

asciilifeform: the 'find and open debug.log somewhere' is a winblowzism.

asciilifeform: 'os' without redirectable output , belongs in the oven.

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, the absolute all-time champ at never-lagging in asciilifeform's house of horrors is... an ancient (circa 2013..?) prb !! e.g. currently at 500849

asciilifeform: where's the tip of the spear ?

asciilifeform: aah

asciilifeform: notably i have no way of knowing.

asciilifeform: vs what, paper cups ?

asciilifeform: yes expensive.

asciilifeform: incidentally, this is a pretty sad situation, if even 1 of us has a node at block B, but everybody else somehow floundering at B-k, for some positive k

asciilifeform: *blockheight

asciilifeform: it ought not to be possible under the game rules

asciilifeform: ( if i know of a nextblock, and i'm peering with mircea_popescu , and he doesn't, or vice-versa -- the boxes oughta share )

asciilifeform: q is why 'eventually' is a week, 2 weeks

asciilifeform: and not 10min

asciilifeform: elementarily.

asciilifeform: single-threaded, locking gossip, is a sad thing tho.

asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox post your puzzle-hash as comment in ch4 ☟︎

asciilifeform: btw , ftr , sha512(ch4_official_solution.txt) = 6878eec821232031b43b28f955971388d33262531c4205eff6be5e8e0244a2e092556623b9daff54058b781dc9eafc91bf8099c29ef1fd21602eccc18e63c8f1 .

asciilifeform bbl,meat

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: plox to link to mod6's latest spear-tip ?

asciilifeform: rather than 'who the hell knows if this is even still around' item

asciilifeform: ( it in fact is : http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/db.cpp?%21v=makefiles#0840 . but really oughta link directly imho )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758167 << ro was like this. to the point that even nao neither asciilifeform nor his pet can bring themselves to eat at american 'coffee' shops any moar. at all. ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: some of the bread eaten in blockade-era leningrad , was, i suspect, a serious step ahead of 'starbucks'.

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform discovered that it is impossible to use trinque's bot on fleanode if connecting from a shitazon session:

asciilifeform: result is, e.g., NOTICE: hitchcock.freenode.net pehbot "*** Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server"

asciilifeform: and it happens regardless of which *.fleanode box the lottotron gives you

asciilifeform: nao how would i know if ~only~ from there

asciilifeform: maybe also from zimbabwe , who the fuck knows

asciilifeform: but quite certainly -- from aws.

asciilifeform: evidently world's largest, fastest spam isp, whod'vethunkit!11, is banned even on fleanode. ☟︎

asciilifeform: which presently leaves asciilifeform with no place to put the bot ( i won't keep it on zoolag, uncloaked irc-to-fleanode results in massive shitfloods routinely )

asciilifeform: trinque's default

asciilifeform: what was it, 6667

asciilifeform: znc proxy would cure, i suspect

asciilifeform: but nao we're talking about a day or three of work.

asciilifeform: part of the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756115 process is that they're phasing in 'force people to run heartb^H^H^H^H^H^sasl to merely connect' item. ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'I put together a Python-based client that can talk to Uber’s backends, to start harvesting OAuth2 tokens for entropy analysis and to see if there are any issues with their PRNG. What’s weird though is that the OAuth2 token doesn’t ever change, and I can’t find anything in the Uber developer documentation that deals with token expiration; literally the same token I was issued when I first created my Uber account for testing i

asciilifeform: s the same token I keep getting, no matter how many times I log in and out of my account using the Surface app' << lel

asciilifeform: also Believe Moar PGtronic sc4mz0rz...

asciilifeform: 'If you invest any time and effort into HackerOne Bug Bounties, HackerOne does not honor their minimum bug bounty guarantee, and will not go to bat for you if you have a dispute with one of their well-placed vendors such as Uber.' << noshit.jpg

asciilifeform: also why wouldja 1) help hitler 2) for $ 500 3) that you'd have to suffer from down's syndrome to actually believe will be paid ...? ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: the 3 or 4 people on the planet who can actually SELL 0days , knowing they'll be paid 1) know who they are 2) wouldn't even cough and spit for a mere 500 , esp if paid in taxolade 3) don't deal with 'uber' et al, or any 'responsible-disclosure'-pushing usg.tentacle , not for promises of three kingdoms and five princesses

asciilifeform: if yer a nobody, and you were to show up with a ~serious~ 0day : you have 1000x chance of getting 'weev'-ed, rather than paid .

asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is neato, i'ma look when i get back

asciilifeform bbl, meat