mircea_popescu: in other sadnesses, why the fuck do the spanish oversalt the anchovies paste.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779773 << have a ns1.qntra.net set up there and a ns2.qntra.net at☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 20:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pardon my thickness, where do you want qntra ns pointed again ? ideally in the format ns1= ns2=
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hang on a sec.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and qntra itself ?
mircea_popescu: ok, you have 3 a records now, empty to that and a ns1 ns2 as quoted.
mircea_popescu: let me know if anything else needed.
mircea_popescu: namesilo says they advertise ~15 mins, ftr.
BingoBoingo: Muchas gracias
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779585 << i suspect the ~only reason this is not in the standard is ~nobody wants to confront just about how little they actually have to say.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:49 asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly
mircea_popescu: but consider if you will the problem of dynamic content. every one (of what, 10k ?) pages on trilema changes at least once a day (header), and so on. what now ?
asciilifeform: the whole 'dynamic pages' thing is a terrifying hack on classical http
mircea_popescu: um.
asciilifeform: ( where we pretend that we're serving up files, but really generate on the fly )
mircea_popescu: i don't see it. i see "logins" as broadly nonsensical ; but programmable webserver seems fine.
asciilifeform: recall the thread with the url abstraction
asciilifeform: originally url was supposed to work like phuctor urls worked
asciilifeform: i.e. you saw url once, and forever you know what it behind it
mircea_popescu: so you loathe my changing header ?
asciilifeform: not the header; nor that posts are editable (i've added errata edits to mine, etc) , but rather the ugliness of the kludge stack
mircea_popescu: i dun see it in a design perspective ; heck, i actually doin't even see the problem with php. (by the time you're protesting a text preprocessor being used as a systems language your problem is not properly speaking with the tool).
asciilifeform: prolly the way to unkludge it would be to give the various elements of the page, own urls, somehow.
phf: the notion of "static content" is a c-machine-ism
mircea_popescu: this said, the implementation is in fact kludgy, but this is no reason to alter the design.
asciilifeform: phf: it is also a v-ism, that's the thing
asciilifeform: you gotta have some notion of statics.
mircea_popescu: phf he was headed straight into "no such thing as static content, you can discover this whenever you re-read the same words in a trilema article", but he sidestepped.
mircea_popescu: i think ferocranium of many knocks learns some intuitive avoidance.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: actually, let's meditate together upon the following item, perhaps it resolves some subtle issues :
asciilifeform: ( btw, the trinque thread, ftr : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709083 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:54 trinque: the hash says what item I want
mircea_popescu: echo $banners[hexdec(substr(md5(date("F jS, Y")),7,6))%42] . ".jpg') << blabla.
mircea_popescu: now, what is the problem with non-static page ?
asciilifeform: well for instance, that there's no way to link to it such that the receiver of the link is guaranteed to see the same thing.
mircea_popescu: well, same thing for all users on same day.
asciilifeform: nor is there any way to link to an internal element of it ( sorta why mircea_popescu had to write his js hack )
mircea_popescu: so technically thjere is way
asciilifeform: right, but no way to guarantee it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is discussing the header production only.
asciilifeform: the current hack around this is the archiver. but it is a hack.
mircea_popescu: well, the baked in assumption here is that the tits, great as they are, benefit from impredictable dress prison each day.
asciilifeform: imho dynamics oughta have a marked-as-separate form of addressing. e.g. dyn:// .
mircea_popescu: that's the major challenge : can the argument be constructed to see what is actually wrong with that piece of gnarl ?
mircea_popescu: it evidently crosses all conceivable sanity boundries. so ?
asciilifeform: this goes back to the trinque thread, where he (correctly) observed that 'gimme resource R, find it using hash H' is a separate, conceptually, entity from 'perform command C and return result R'
mircea_popescu: (for convenience, in pesudocode : select from an array of possible headers the one which corresponds to the remainder of dividing by 42 the number you obtain by converting from hexadecimal format the string you obtain by taking 6 characters from the 7th of the md5 hash of the current date)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in that one is imperative and the other descriptive so to speak.
asciilifeform: right!
mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out"
asciilifeform: exactly that.
mircea_popescu: yes but...
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's angle is that it is wrong that there is no sane scheme for distinguishing these. and likewise for properly handling the fact that most of what people do with 'dynamic' is really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly
mircea_popescu: the latter part is what we have issue with.
mircea_popescu: can you actually say the above snippet is "really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly" ?
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's a thing unto itself.
asciilifeform: one possible pill,
asciilifeform: to take hash of ~program~ to use as perma-url for dynamics.
asciilifeform: rather than the pseudo-static output (html in this case)
asciilifeform: *of the
mircea_popescu: only if http server runs v native.
asciilifeform: which it oughta.
mircea_popescu: then you could in principle indicate WHICH LEAF you even permit.
mircea_popescu: "process my data with the press X as identified from your manifest, i don';t trust X'"
asciilifeform: so in this hypothetical, mircea_popescu's trilema url (or rather, the raw hash underneath it) will only change when he changes his generator.
asciilifeform: exactly this.
asciilifeform: which-leaf etc.
asciilifeform: is where i was going .
mircea_popescu: yes but this is a much more integrated v-http server than previously even hinted at.
asciilifeform: this is why asciilifeform even gave a damn to begin with , re 'sane http'
asciilifeform: it is not to swap out apache , no.
mircea_popescu: but you WANT header then ; it is the evident place to report the v-struct
asciilifeform: conceivably. =
asciilifeform: err, .
mircea_popescu: not mere "merkle tree", but actual proper v struct, with seals resources and errything.
mircea_popescu: this is by now SO MUCH HEAVIER than current http...
asciilifeform: i was giving simplified example for 'how classic http ougta have worked' lol
mircea_popescu: not in loc lines necessarily, but in what lifting it actually does, conceptually.
asciilifeform: but yes.
asciilifeform: orig q was , however, re what knobs in traditional http are actually needed, for civilized life
mircea_popescu: and it's a wonder if it'd be actually worth it. consider -- what alternative wp-mps would i maintain on trilema ?
asciilifeform: and which knobs are equiv to DELETE and CHECKOUT
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: edges into a 'causes and purposes' discussion, dunnit. even if trilema doesn't possibly use any such thing, conceivably it is still the Right Thing
asciilifeform: even from 'the code makes internally consistent sense' pov.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: i can give 1 ready example of a plainly palpable win, even for blogs:
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i confess i've not prior considered the v-http server.
asciilifeform: ease of mirroring
asciilifeform: suddenly no need for magical cache control flags
asciilifeform: and 'varnish' etc
mircea_popescu: in fact, another ready example : rss.
asciilifeform: now anyone who wants to mirror, can. and whoever fetches, knows what he's getting, and how it related to universe.
mircea_popescu: "i want trilema as rss not trilema as main page" or "i want trilema as list of archives not as main page"
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: consider the hack i did recently for hanbot
asciilifeform: ( y'know, exactly like whoever wants to , can mirror trb universe )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 << this☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 07:06 mircea_popescu: !~later tell hanbot here's something you might find useful : http://trilema.com/hanbot/
mircea_popescu: now, this ad hoc hack could have been a proper alt-leaf thing
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: rather than unmaintainably clog out my blog and risk being deleted any day now.
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu grasps the idea.
mircea_popescu: so in point of fact saying "why would alternate views exist" is facetious, i listed like 4 in five minutes.
asciilifeform: iirc ted nelson actually got stuck on how to do this particular thing.
asciilifeform: i suspect -- because he didn't have v
asciilifeform: !#s transclusion
a111: 5 results for "transclusion", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=transclusion
mircea_popescu: it is threateningly complex.
asciilifeform: lethally complex if approached from wrong end, also.
mircea_popescu: consider the machinery that blogs become, in this system
mircea_popescu: no longer a hodge-podge of "plugins" and "themes" haphazard and therefore entirely flat conceoptually.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491799 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 03:58 mircea_popescu: trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
asciilifeform: and yes, flat, and yes, goodbye to link rot.
asciilifeform: this is what www would have been if made by the sane.
asciilifeform: ( and i suspect original will not even be muchly remembered , sorta like how ~nobody nostalgiates for ibm mainframe liquishit )
mircea_popescu: it's not clear it'd do anything for linkrot sadly.
asciilifeform: if correcly made, link can only rot if nobody mirrored.
mircea_popescu: not so. consider : linkrot today means, "you might not have the data original server had". like you lost lispmachine FET say.
asciilifeform: not long ago i loaded a 'torrent' that was first put up ~7yrs ago. because somebody still mirrored.
mircea_popescu: tomorrow, linkrot will thereby mean "you might not have the original data ; OR you might not have the original program".
asciilifeform: the idea is that if you have immutable url-to-payload correspondence, large-scale mirroring ( via , e.g., gossipd wot ) becomes practical.
asciilifeform: of program and statics similarly.
mircea_popescu: "immutable" still enforced by server only. tomorrow i can decide to make a whole diff tree and gl to you.
asciilifeform: you can, but it won't have same handle.
asciilifeform: because , elementarily, doesn't hash to same hash.
mircea_popescu: and the old handles will 404
asciilifeform: right, unless someone cached'em
asciilifeform: there is not a magical pill against deletion
asciilifeform: aside from 'make copy'
mircea_popescu: anyway, this worth moar thinking.
asciilifeform: trinque's dht item also worth writing. ( hey trinque ! )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779605 << there is a good argument in favour of overloading meaning into verbs rather than inventing new verbs. an implementation of head as "get with 0 bytes accepted" is actually an improvement over current.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:56 phf: that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset
mircea_popescu routinely pulls data from slaves/processes/etcetera with an explicit or implicit size limit and strong conventions as to ordering
mircea_popescu: (most important first etc)
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779272 << mazel tov & well done BingoBoingo !☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 01:02 mp_en_viaje: but let's not let the praise fall by the wayside just because every successful step opens up so more further steps : nice bb! qntra back on huh!
mircea_popescu: currently there's no equivalent hierarchy of html documents, so they are always sent in order of importance of parts.
mircea_popescu: not evident that this should be as it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and observe that the turdmeisters implemented elaborate hacks ( i.e. realtime DOM modification ) ~just so that ad crapolade loads first~
mircea_popescu: if my loading of a web page dies 10kb in, i want that 10kb to have contained the article, not some "template" fugly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oya.
mircea_popescu: or at the very least so "page is not usable until our shit is in"
asciilifeform: ~invariably the first MB or so ( i wish this were joak ) contains only liquishit
asciilifeform: aaha
mircea_popescu: quite opposite of sense ; and a much more important ablation target than forgotten/disused http words.
asciilifeform: well that particular pile of shit goes away with js
mircea_popescu: we still need js as much as last time this was discussed, a week ago
asciilifeform: right, though it would win from a staticized url
asciilifeform: ( where, say, i can have local list of jsoids signed by actual people, that machine will willingly load, and no others )
asciilifeform: e.g. 'hey, trilema.com/js/04D9A9AB41E3AD407D8F030658273C2F8D1EC595D3D2D523252FEACF546AF86E.js is in my list, let's use'
mircea_popescu: as that deed was stepping towards, yes
asciilifeform: ( and naturally contents keccak to 04D9A9AB41E3AD407D8F030658273C2F8D1EC595D3D2D523252FEACF546AF86E . etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779611 << how do you reason ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 16:59 trinque: if you tell me offset 0 range 0 I should ignore you entirely
mircea_popescu: if i tell you i wish to see the file x except not any of its content this is logically equivalent, quite directly, to "metadata only plox"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779620 << is this a rehash of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 ?!☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:02 trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779633 << all servers had head because it's antique ; ranged requests went through an ebb and flow of implemented, then disabled because implemented wrongly and buffer overflows, then etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:06 asciilifeform: now that's fuckedup
mircea_popescu: so yes, head support universal, ranged request support present but not that reliable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779643 << trivial to check, issue a head, see if "accept-ranges" is in there. if not -- no support☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:08 asciilifeform: why not give example. e.g. 'i crawl www and google doesn't support ranged GET'
mircea_popescu: for instance here's what your server says : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XGPpg/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779651 << the correct statement would be, "you have experiences in good faith and i have imaginations in good faith, that i don't bother to check nor do i ever sit down to reason as to what THAT implies re faith"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:11 asciilifeform: so i suppose we have different personalexperiencesingoodfaith
trinque: the thing's so steeped in "the way things are" I daren't comment further
trinque: sure, if http is understood that it always hands back headers, and these are decided to exclude the "I want an item of x length and no further" then get with range 0 offset 0 would hand back only headers
mircea_popescu: trinque i meant strictly from a logical perspective.
trinque: yeah but that's what fired off the other thread too!
trinque: lol, I was speaking practically. though I'm glad it did prompt the other.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not clear that the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration.
trinque: sql would be a system where I'd consider the metadata properly designed, in that there isn't a difference in the way it's represented, or retrieved
trinque: same tools apply to metadata as everything else
trinque: but me bleeding shoulds all over existing items isn't helpful
mircea_popescu: explain this to me ?
trinque is referring to information_schema and the db-specific metadata schemas
trinque: I can select from a table that is the table of columns, for example
mircea_popescu: so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ?
trinque: if I were to hamhandedly bash this into http, there'd be no headers. you'd get that information from another ULR
trinque: *URL
mircea_popescu: but i can get, eg, a table's current index position
mircea_popescu: for the autoincrement metaconstruct.
mircea_popescu: isn't this "tell me about this table for a total of 0 rows" ?
trinque: what is special about that data retrieval, compared to "what's the age of john" ?
trinque: the charge I made was that range 0 is an implicit metadata fetch. why implicit?
mircea_popescu: that one is select john from tabler and the other is show table status.
trinque: if tables were good for storing ages of johns, why not statuses of tables?
mircea_popescu: and this show table status is a proxy for select autoincrtement from inf schema
trinque: sure, that's syntax sugar
trinque: can get curval or w/e in pg
mircea_popescu: right. which is what was contemplated here too.
mircea_popescu: basically whole thing was "Don't implement a special show table status, use the underlying select item from schema directly"
mircea_popescu: "don't have a head, use get size 0"
trinque: right the muntzing of http got conflated (by me, most likely) with how it ought to have been done in the first place
trinque: http doesn't have any sane, orderly data model underlying syntax sugar
mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands
trinque: it's all sugar
mircea_popescu: (good thing we got the cloud collaborate suite from $corp, too... how could we have gotten this far without ???)
mircea_popescu: trinque the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
trinque doesn't always know how obvious his line of reasoning is until it bounces off another at velocity
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, text, html and utf-8. some data type.
mircea_popescu: "our data type is vector list array, tyvm & come again!"
trinque: exactly that, the thing keisters away data in whatever fold of fat some autist found at the moment
trinque: incidentally I've been working on moving the entire concept out of my head in such threads, in contrast to the old thread in question.
mircea_popescu: hm ?
trinque: in this case sums to: republican HTTP may ulcer alf further.
trinque: oh, I blew my stack in the thread you linked mostly because of my own radiation damage
mircea_popescu: i'm lost ; say what ?
trinque: old thread was on python, and the behavior of some looping constructs or w/e, didn't match set theory
trinque: or one did, one did not, whatever it was
trinque: same thing's going to happen in a thread on HTTP
mircea_popescu: the reason i linked the two items was, that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem to me intuitively they're related to some sort of 0-difficulty you have.
trinque: you didn't get back zero in the latter case
trinque: you got however many bytes of headerstuff
mircea_popescu: but that's not the meaning of the 0.
mircea_popescu: you're asking for 0 bits of X, not for 0 bits altogether.
mircea_popescu: and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it" the logical implication is that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have to be.
mircea_popescu: similar to trinque goes into santaria shop, "do you have any bibles ?" "yes, shall i read you from it ?" "no, thanks. how much for one ?"
trinque: why would you imply it in that manner, and it's understood you may want potentially boundless metadata
trinque: rather than specify what question you may have about the thing specifically
mircea_popescu: this is a major flaw of the "design" such as it is, that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata.
mircea_popescu: through header too.
mircea_popescu: trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is the idea.
trinque: the inability to ask specific questions is another massive failing of the thing
trinque: "oh here's the filesize and content type and also here's what the server had for breakfast"
mircea_popescu: well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in the slavery threads.
trinque: taxonomy of metadata is not impossible
mircea_popescu: (practically, they just didn't feel like making one verb per thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.)
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish.
trinque: sql has this already, on earth.
trinque: I can go query what tables have a column of particular type
trinque: or whatever else I like
mircea_popescu: yes, but the thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called
trinque: it doesn't.
trinque: select * from information_schema.column where ...
mircea_popescu: right, everything is selects in the end,
mircea_popescu: but you don;t know what to put in the where to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779674 << not practically. 2kb max size or what was it, won't get you far.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:26 phf: we can reduce everything to just get requests (cut the headers, too, except for Content-Length), where ranges are done by "/downloads?file=...&start=...&end"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779676 << this is not so. looking through trilema's : X-Pingback: http://trilema.com/xmlrpc.php is essential for the whole pingback functionality, which i deem a prime class. off top of head cache-control is probably also useful, as it tells the client the very useful bit of whether server deems resopurce is type 1 or type 2 in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780528 sense ; Location: http☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 17:27 phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 00:22 mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out"
mircea_popescu: ://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ as a complement to 302 response also quite useful.
mircea_popescu: you'll also probably have trouble without a connection: close signal, and so on.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779704 << i recall looking into it few years ago and not being impresse.d☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 18:02 BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea.
mircea_popescu: aaand thereby log eaten. mazel tov.
trinque afk for a bit
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of http being the discussion
doppler: haha
doppler: is that just a matter of a regex needing updated?
ben_vulpes: https://blog.positive.com/predicting-random-numbers-in-ethereum-smart-contracts-e5358c6b8620 << prnglolz
mod6: node is still caught up. wewt
shinohai: gg mod6
mod6: ty!
ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
mod6: im dying
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, imagine all the idle posturing going on in every tiny social group. kids used to be hackers, after being secret agents, after being you know.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what of ?
PeterL: !!v 8625F2F43A521F78E34FD7D88C65784ACC911E3323A94F9DF8EEFCD5092C7F90
deedbot: PeterL unrated kakobrekla.
ReadErr: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780645 << you'd be amazed at what else it dun support. ultra-cut-down item.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:20 mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges"
asciilifeform: but i suspect phf is right, and ranged-GET evaporated ~everywhere while asciilifeform slept in his cave.
asciilifeform: fwiw
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780711 << sorta the fundamental braindamage of html ( and all 'plaintextist' protocols, period ) -- that they lack 'and HERE is EXACTLY how many bytes will follow'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 01:48 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish.
asciilifeform: listener is stuck waiting for his memory, and patience, to run out
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780738 << why is it that ben_vulpes gets the nosy deliverymen, and asciilifeform not!111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 04:52 ben_vulpes: guy delivering servers today wanted to know what i was doing with em; "well let's see, install some software and then rack 'em in a datacenter, what else does one do with servers?" "no but like are you mining bro?" "haha funny. don't you have something for me to sign?"
asciilifeform: nobody ever asks asciilifeform 'what is the 100kg of crate'.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << lol complete with pedo brock☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 14:29 ReadErr: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html
asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine'
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9405.0, vol: 21008.47772549 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9445.9, vol: 60871.97237583 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9390.0, vol: 9260.56420663 | Volume-weighted last average: 9430.79250653
asciilifeform: !!reputation ReadErr
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZUuG8/?raw=true
phf: http://paste.lisp.org << "Due to continued abuse, this service has been discontinued"
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: whose was it anyway
phf: i don't know
phf: i think mp had a conversation with someone from #lisp, and someone was responding as if in authority, but you never know
asciilifeform: info pg mentions a Erik Enge and a Brian Mastenbrook
asciilifeform: i have nfi who they were/are
asciilifeform: or nm, those were authors of the proggy
asciilifeform: not necessarily operators of the paste www
asciilifeform: eh well, another 'allcomers' item bites the dust.
phf: well, we don't really have non-allcomers web systems ourselves. the only example from past is mp's retired token system
asciilifeform: the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff
asciilifeform: e.g. pehbot
phf: i suppose it hinges on definition of "web systems". trinque's static thing that only takes input from channel i suppose qualifies and is exception to what i'm saying
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780757 << all they're good for.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 15:09 asciilifeform: hilarious buncha idjits, 'let's all move to 1 usg reservation and feed the waterfall there while awaiting cokemachine'
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780744 << "Mr. Pierce walked around the tree and said prayers for Puertopia, holding a rusted wrench he had picked up in the territory. He kissed an old man's feet. He blessed a crystal in the water, as they all watched. He played the Chaplin speech to everyone and to the tree, Mr. Nygard said."☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 14:29 ReadErr: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/technology/cryptocurrency-puerto-rico.html
mircea_popescu: so for the last day i've been working on this bogota megapost. hopefully i fucking finish it today jesus.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ << Bingo Blog - Pricing Information: Fun With Numbers
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what of ? << was just laughin hard at ben's delivery guy.
mircea_popescu: :p
BingoBoingo: In other Pais Pobre: "The idea that makes tPanel unique compared to other web hosting control panels is that the software does not require any root/shell access to function. Instead, it’s more of a manager for people who have ambitions to start a web host on their shared web hosting plan." - http://www.gnutoolbox.com/tpanel/
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: Because, you know... The "shared" word is in there.
phf: mircea_popescu: alright, i cleared my schedule for that general period, i'll look at flights again tonight and we can just go with whatever works out best financially
mircea_popescu: works.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780773 << ftr this is how I'm currently designing "!Qarchive-bulk-download" to work. Bot will check with deedbot for a key registered, then verify good wot standing in my L1. No allcomers allowed!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-02-03 16:37 asciilifeform: the items that only work from in-chan are close enuff
mircea_popescu: works.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/bogota-a-mixed-bag/ << Trilema - Bogota, a mixed bag
mircea_popescu: in other sads, we discover that the trilema pics sum up to almost 3gb these days ;/
mod6: wow, nice pics from bogota tho!
mircea_popescu: yeah, how about happy gold guy
mod6: yeah, the raw emeralds too
mircea_popescu: in other lulzy lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ujeoz/i_wonder_how_long_it_will_take_for_the_other_sub/
mircea_popescu: what happened, anyway ? that got the rats so rattled
mircea_popescu: mod6 sadly i didn't have the time to check out the emeralds museum also, apparently this exists.
mod6: oh, a whole one for just that huh. kinda neat.
mircea_popescu: afaik for most of history most emeralds came from them.
mircea_popescu: apparently they also have a jewelry shop right in the museum. and a simulated mine. it was the next item on the list, but there's only so much you can cram into four days of fucking & drinking.
ben_vulpes: trinque: you said you had to go gcc 6 -> 5 -> 4, right?
mod6: yeah, makes sense. maybe something for next time 'eh
mircea_popescu: i dun really think i want to go back.
mod6: fair enough.
mod6: from the higher up shots of the city, it is quite big isn't it.
mod6: wow, the plateau is @ 8660 ft above sea level too. didn't realize that.