mircea_popescu: in other sadnesses, why the fuck do the spanish oversalt the anchovies paste.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hang on a sec.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and qntra itself ?

mircea_popescu: ok, you have 3 a records now, empty to that and a ns1 ns2 as quoted.

mircea_popescu: let me know if anything else needed.

mircea_popescu: namesilo says they advertise ~15 mins, ftr.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779585 << i suspect the ~only reason this is not in the standard is ~nobody wants to confront just about how little they actually have to say. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but consider if you will the problem of dynamic content. every one (of what, 10k ?) pages on trilema changes at least once a day (header), and so on. what now ?

mircea_popescu: um.

mircea_popescu: i don't see it. i see "logins" as broadly nonsensical ; but programmable webserver seems fine.

mircea_popescu: so you loathe my changing header ?

mircea_popescu: i dun see it in a design perspective ; heck, i actually doin't even see the problem with php. (by the time you're protesting a text preprocessor being used as a systems language your problem is not properly speaking with the tool).

mircea_popescu: this said, the implementation is in fact kludgy, but this is no reason to alter the design.

mircea_popescu: phf he was headed straight into "no such thing as static content, you can discover this whenever you re-read the same words in a trilema article", but he sidestepped.

mircea_popescu: i think ferocranium of many knocks learns some intuitive avoidance.

mircea_popescu: actually, let's meditate together upon the following item, perhaps it resolves some subtle issues :

mircea_popescu: echo $banners[hexdec(substr(md5(date("F jS, Y")),7,6))%42] . ".jpg') << blabla.

mircea_popescu: now, what is the problem with non-static page ?

mircea_popescu: well, same thing for all users on same day.

mircea_popescu: so technically thjere is way

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is discussing the header production only.

mircea_popescu: well, the baked in assumption here is that the tits, great as they are, benefit from impredictable dress prison each day.

mircea_popescu: that's the major challenge : can the argument be constructed to see what is actually wrong with that piece of gnarl ?

mircea_popescu: it evidently crosses all conceivable sanity boundries. so ?

mircea_popescu: (for convenience, in pesudocode : select from an array of possible headers the one which corresponds to the remainder of dividing by 42 the number you obtain by converting from hexadecimal format the string you obtain by taking 6 characters from the 7th of the md5 hash of the current date)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in that one is imperative and the other descriptive so to speak.

mircea_popescu: "find a thing such as x" vs "follow steps x give whatever comes out" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: yes but...

mircea_popescu: the latter part is what we have issue with.

mircea_popescu: can you actually say the above snippet is "really kludge to display bouquets of statics properly" ?

mircea_popescu: seems to me it's a thing unto itself.

mircea_popescu: only if http server runs v native.

mircea_popescu: then you could in principle indicate WHICH LEAF you even permit.

mircea_popescu: "process my data with the press X as identified from your manifest, i don';t trust X'"

mircea_popescu: yes but this is a much more integrated v-http server than previously even hinted at.

mircea_popescu: but you WANT header then ; it is the evident place to report the v-struct

mircea_popescu: not mere "merkle tree", but actual proper v struct, with seals resources and errything.

mircea_popescu: this is by now SO MUCH HEAVIER than current http...

mircea_popescu: not in loc lines necessarily, but in what lifting it actually does, conceptually.

mircea_popescu: and it's a wonder if it'd be actually worth it. consider -- what alternative wp-mps would i maintain on trilema ?

mircea_popescu: possibly.

mircea_popescu: i dunno, i confess i've not prior considered the v-http server.

mircea_popescu: in fact, another ready example : rss.

mircea_popescu: "i want trilema as rss not trilema as main page" or "i want trilema as list of archives not as main page"

mircea_popescu: i dunno.

mircea_popescu: consider the hack i did recently for hanbot

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770183 << this ☝︎

mircea_popescu: now, this ad hoc hack could have been a proper alt-leaf thing

mircea_popescu: rather than unmaintainably clog out my blog and risk being deleted any day now.

mircea_popescu: so in point of fact saying "why would alternate views exist" is facetious, i listed like 4 in five minutes.

mircea_popescu: it is threateningly complex.

mircea_popescu: consider the machinery that blogs become, in this system

mircea_popescu: no longer a hodge-podge of "plugins" and "themes" haphazard and therefore entirely flat conceoptually.

mircea_popescu: it's not clear it'd do anything for linkrot sadly.

mircea_popescu: not so. consider : linkrot today means, "you might not have the data original server had". like you lost lispmachine FET say.

mircea_popescu: tomorrow, linkrot will thereby mean "you might not have the original data ; OR you might not have the original program".

mircea_popescu: "immutable" still enforced by server only. tomorrow i can decide to make a whole diff tree and gl to you.

mircea_popescu: and the old handles will 404

mircea_popescu: anyway, this worth moar thinking.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779605 << there is a good argument in favour of overloading meaning into verbs rather than inventing new verbs. an implementation of head as "get with 0 bytes accepted" is actually an improvement over current. ☝︎

mircea_popescu routinely pulls data from slaves/processes/etcetera with an explicit or implicit size limit and strong conventions as to ordering

mircea_popescu: (most important first etc)

mircea_popescu: currently there's no equivalent hierarchy of html documents, so they are always sent in order of importance of parts.

mircea_popescu: not evident that this should be as it is.

mircea_popescu: if my loading of a web page dies 10kb in, i want that 10kb to have contained the article, not some "template" fugly.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oya.

mircea_popescu: or at the very least so "page is not usable until our shit is in"

mircea_popescu: quite opposite of sense ; and a much more important ablation target than forgotten/disused http words.

mircea_popescu: we still need js as much as last time this was discussed, a week ago

mircea_popescu: as that deed was stepping towards, yes

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779611 << how do you reason ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: if i tell you i wish to see the file x except not any of its content this is logically equivalent, quite directly, to "metadata only plox"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779620 << is this a rehash of >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 ?! ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779633 << all servers had head because it's antique ; ranged requests went through an ebb and flow of implemented, then disabled because implemented wrongly and buffer overflows, then etc. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: so yes, head support universal, ranged request support present but not that reliable.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779643 << trivial to check, issue a head, see if "accept-ranges" is in there. if not -- no support ☝︎

mircea_popescu: for instance here's what your server says : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XGPpg/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: and considering what happens in response to curl -v -X GET -H "range: bytes=1-8" www.loper-os.org (full page dump) we can add asciilifeform / nfs to the list of "does not support ranges" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779651 << the correct statement would be, "you have experiences in good faith and i have imaginations in good faith, that i don't bother to check nor do i ever sit down to reason as to what THAT implies re faith" ☝︎

mircea_popescu: trinque i meant strictly from a logical perspective.

mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not clear that the extant stack of shit is capable of supporting some sort of meaningful practical consideration.

mircea_popescu: explain this to me ?

mircea_popescu: so sql doesn't have an equivalent of head is the idea ? or doesn't have an equivalent of get 0 size ?

mircea_popescu: but i can get, eg, a table's current index position

mircea_popescu: for the autoincrement metaconstruct.

mircea_popescu: isn't this "tell me about this table for a total of 0 rows" ?

mircea_popescu: that one is select john from tabler and the other is show table status.

mircea_popescu: and this show table status is a proxy for select autoincrtement from inf schema

mircea_popescu: right. which is what was contemplated here too.

mircea_popescu: basically whole thing was "Don't implement a special show table status, use the underlying select item from schema directly"

mircea_popescu: "don't have a head, use get size 0"

mircea_popescu: well the whole thing is one huge napkin doodle shared over the chan as it stands ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (good thing we got the cloud collaborate suite from $corp, too... how could we have gotten this far without ???)

mircea_popescu: trinque the most reliably encountered header in responses is Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, text, html and utf-8. some data type.

mircea_popescu: "our data type is vector list array, tyvm & come again!"

mircea_popescu: hm ?

mircea_popescu: i'm lost ; say what ?

mircea_popescu: the reason i linked the two items was, that you had a paradoxical result evaluating logical implication of negated absence in there ; and a paradoxical result evaluating predicated nothingness, here. seem to me intuitively they're related to some sort of 0-difficulty you have.

mircea_popescu: but that's not the meaning of the 0.

mircea_popescu: you're asking for 0 bits of X, not for 0 bits altogether.

mircea_popescu: and if you say "i'm interested in x but in 0 bits of it" the logical implication is that you're only interested in any meta-x may be available. which yes might be null, but also doesn't have to be.

mircea_popescu: similar to trinque goes into santaria shop, "do you have any bibles ?" "yes, shall i read you from it ?" "no, thanks. how much for one ?"

mircea_popescu: this is a major flaw of the "design" such as it is, that yes you're asking for potentially infinite metadata.

mircea_popescu: through header too.

mircea_popescu: trinque because you don't know what questions may be asked, is the idea.

mircea_popescu: well you don;t know what you don't know. exactly as in the slavery threads.

mircea_popescu: (practically, they just didn't feel like making one verb per thing, because it'd have ended all sgml.)

mircea_popescu: but anyway -- you can even now make a server return ~infinite headers if you wish. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: yes, but the thing still starts with describe or w/e it's called

mircea_popescu: right, everything is selects in the end,

mircea_popescu: but you don;t know what to put in the where to begin with. so you get potentially boundless piles of metadata.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779674 << not practically. 2kb max size or what was it, won't get you far. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779676 << this is not so. looking through trilema's : X-Pingback: http://trilema.com/xmlrpc.php is essential for the whole pingback functionality, which i deem a prime class. off top of head cache-control is probably also useful, as it tells the client the very useful bit of whether server deems resopurce is type 1 or type 2 in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780528 sense ; Location: http ☝︎☝︎

mircea_popescu: ://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ as a complement to 302 response also quite useful.

mircea_popescu: you'll also probably have trouble without a connection: close signal, and so on.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779704 << i recall looking into it few years ago and not being impresse.d ☝︎

mircea_popescu: aaand thereby log eaten. mazel tov.

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the day's log page is fulla non-linking links as a result of http being the discussion

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, imagine all the idle posturing going on in every tiny social group. kids used to be hackers, after being secret agents, after being you know.

mircea_popescu: mod6 what of ?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780757 << all they're good for. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: so for the last day i've been working on this bogota megapost. hopefully i fucking finish it today jesus.

mircea_popescu: :p

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

mircea_popescu: works.

mircea_popescu: works.

mircea_popescu: in other sads, we discover that the trilema pics sum up to almost 3gb these days ;/

mircea_popescu: yeah, how about happy gold guy

mircea_popescu: in other lulzy lulz, https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7ujeoz/i_wonder_how_long_it_will_take_for_the_other_sub/

mircea_popescu: what happened, anyway ? that got the rats so rattled

mircea_popescu: mod6 sadly i didn't have the time to check out the emeralds museum also, apparently this exists.

mircea_popescu: afaik for most of history most emeralds came from them.

mircea_popescu: apparently they also have a jewelry shop right in the museum. and a simulated mine. it was the next item on the list, but there's only so much you can cram into four days of fucking & drinking.

mircea_popescu: i dun really think i want to go back.