snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 20:31:03 lobbes: still needs some tweaking (e.g. it barfs on unicode) and more testing before genesis.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting here on balcony after breakfast, watching the girly joggers file around the building, when suddenly "wtf is that plane doing ?! and why is it coming this way ?!"
mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 16:55:24 lobbes:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:32:08 asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.
mp_en_viaje: it's a approachably non-trivial, multiply useful task.
diana_coman goes to check if there's any Chec left for photos and all that jazz
diana_coman: asciilifeform: deeded copy of #ossasepia log ^
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 09:24:30 mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.
BingoBoingo as child yet to see kindergarden had a favorite book. Included all sorts of aircraft. The only ones I remember with certainty were the SR-71, A-10, flying radar picket, and the loser F-4 that didn't even have a gun while pretending to be a fighter.
BingoBoingo: Sounds like as good of a reason as any to start pushing a "fighter of the future don't need guns" meme
BingoBoingo: Gotta understand, US is largely German and misc. other serfs by mass. When the US needs a song to set to aviation footage they use Jesus stuff like Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky"
BingoBoingo: When Germany sold cheap labor to US farmers in the 18th century they didn't send them cultured.
BingoBoingo: Well, the couple that I know who did the Air ROTC and get to piloting ended up flying fat freight planes.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:15:59 a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly
snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:04:55 asciilifeform: today jet man is more or less a programmer with uncommonly unpleasant working condition.
BingoBoingo: "Guaranteed flight instruction" does not mean "fly our planes for us". It means "here are some waivers for a civilian general aviation course"
BingoBoingo: Many of the mid-sized midwestern universitits have "aviation" courses for eating the ROTC folk's "guaranteed flight instruction" buxx
BingoBoingo: The folks I knew who went pilot did the lessons. The one I talked to more was constantly stressed, because only so many of the folks taking lessons and flying prop planes from Murphysboro, Illinois to Pinckneyville, Illinois and back would get the opportunity for further instuction on flying things that would earn them a bunk and meals.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Honda now makes and markets owner-operator jet with the motors mounted like in Star Trek. Notably absent are dorks wearing their fantsuits and lined up to buy them
https://archive.is/SNaie BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The novelty is in jets above wing and made by the folks who produce the "Honda supercub - most popular motor vehicle in history"
mp_en_viaje: actually it is kinda funny ~only usian song subjects are either jaysus or else "Ashley. You 're a fuckin' bitch. You left me for a guy named Lance. Ashley. You 're really stupid. Cos I was saving up to take you to France. Yeah, I was gonna take you to France." variants
mp_en_viaje: nevermind fligjht, nevermind even something as simple as "stakhanov and his mighty pick"
mp_en_viaje: i managed to go through ten years of trilema during which i found myself forced to reference french, italian, german, even canadian songs.
BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is how they use the branding. Putting the Honda brand on it means mass market in the way VW meant mass market. Now here we are a century into powered flight and the mass market brand has a plane, but the mass market is even poorer than it was at the dawn of flight. No Honda Jet Airstrip in every gated subdivision.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 14:49:24 asciilifeform: maybe, defending motherland from demented martians is appealing, but strafing half-naked half-apes in jungle, desert, not so appealing ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the converter is awk one-liner but my logs were plain irssi (and the annoying bit was re time because hour:min only + day change only); still, if you think it may be of use, I'll post it, sure
mp_en_viaje: wowza, someone else adding bash oneliners to log, ftw!
mp_en_viaje: i am personally very fond of the bash one liner. imo it is sheer bash-illiteracy that makes all sorts of crapolade like python even appear "useful"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If Honda Jet is not designed for hallucinated consumer market, why does it give the pilot "infotainment system", the marketing text is clearly targeted to pete_dushenski and not "Here is small jet for ad-hoc coverage of unpopular routes"
mp_en_viaje: in practice, the only difference is-- longer. 1-500 char bash one liners just as expressive, powerful, comprehensible/maintainable as 1-5k loc python chunks.
mp_en_viaje: in typical scam hub fashion a) calls perl b) piles of .jar
mp_en_viaje: "A simple, modular IRC bot written in bash"
mp_en_viaje: why the fuck are socialists such liars, anyway ?
mp_en_viaje: "aaa but call awk" of course "but awk is basically all of lisp in braindamaged impl" yup.
mp_en_viaje: imo anyone who attempts to write bash irc bot other than netcat frontend either has nfi what the internet is and therefore never found netcat or has nfi what bash is and therefore doesn't understand why you don't do anything ~in~ it.
mp_en_viaje: you seriously hack on anything w/o netcat running ?
mp_en_viaje: "oh but mp, you bash via screen" yes ? "for olympiad, bash via trepanation" how about you bash your mother via anal hooks instead.
diana_coman: ftr, here's my quick'n'dirty awk that did the trick: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;}! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp sep substr($0,n);}'
☟︎ diana_coman: worth noting that the month was at least numerical rather than "jul" and all that
diana_coman: the 998966 above is lazy-hardcoded, calc based on asciilifeform's first id and the total lines in my log (i.e. so that the ids match perfectly *before* his log)
diana_coman: heh, it was...cathartic like that, awk-one-liner-does-the-job after ps-ton-does-nothing :))
diana_coman: asciilifeform: barbarous or not, it's the only logger I have logging #ossasepia, you know?
diana_coman: I suspect so; there's a shortage of building blocks, not as much of what to do with them
mp_en_viaje: there's actually a shortage of intelligent people who aren't also correspondingly dumb to balance it out.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, word. the whole thing dovetails into another angle of whole gns thing indeed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-20 15:36:00 diana_coman;is: looking if shrysr is still breathing or totally shocked.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: my tape has no space either
mp_en_viaje: yeah, emule still around, beats gopher for stability.
diana_coman: but it seems it took "diana_coman;is" as nick?
a111: Logged on 2019-08-11 19:00 diana_coman: ftr, here's my quick'n'dirty awk that did the trick: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;}! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp sep substr($0,n);}'
lobbes: incidentally, asciilifeform, I was pretty close to completion (unicode problem solved, and index implemented). Was going to polish it off this evening and genesis but... is it even needed anymore?
lobbes: If not I'll turn my focus to something else
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 15:24:38 mp_en_viaje: i am personally very fond of the bash one liner. imo it is sheer bash-illiteracy that makes all sorts of crapolade like python even appear "useful"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:38:57 asciilifeform: spyked : how about #s .
diana_coman: meanwhile I actually found 1 instance I missed so I'll tweak a bit the awk (there's a "Log opened" instead of "day changed" and the timing/date there is also different so needs fixed)
diana_coman: updated script: awk '/Day changed/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$7;} /Log opened/ {Month=$5; Day=$6; Year=$10;} ! /-|<--|>/ {count++; sep=";"; w= Year " " Month " " Day " " $1 " " $2 " 00"; if ($3 == "*") {pp=$3 sep $4 " "; $4=""; n=5;} else {pp=$3 sep; n=4;}; $1=""; $2=""; $3=""; print count+998966 sep mktime(w) sep pp substr($0,n);}'
spyked:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927010 <-- one thing that most likely changed: they bought cars. traffic is a bitch even in that little town, even though it's entirely walkable in a few hours. granted, last time I was in MM was in 2007 and there weren't that many of them, but have only passed through viseu back then
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 17:03:43 mircea_popescu: spyked, holy shit, viseu' did not change AT ALL.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 21:53:03 asciilifeform: spyked , you are now live
diana_coman: asciilifeform: take 2, format at action corrected ^
diana_coman: fwiw, I diffed the 2 and looked, couldn't find further issues; the nick is now indeed first word of payload when * is nick (on action); + the one case with messed up lines because of Day changed vs. Log opened is corrected too.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: you actually improved my archive process with just such a bash one-liner. I still use it to this day to get around the 'cloudflare' crapola. But you know, 10 years spent in a pot-induced fog tends to make one miss the obvious. I'm working with a new brain these days
diana_coman: lobbes: did you actually publish the archive process thing?
mp_en_viaje: you can always tell this story to any of the dorks explaining how drug usage "improves brain function"
mp_en_viaje: "oh, i just use it to relax, man". yeah, careful you don't manage to relax right off the deck.
lobbes: ty lol. And yes, I intend to. I think trinque has been on record saying the same
lobbes: diana_coman: I will once I get some of these other items out
lobbes: I figure I'm still going to publish my znc-eater.py anyways. Make a blog post out of it as a nice example of "why python sucks and bash ftw" if anything
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-20 15:36:00 diana_coman: is looking if shrysr is still breathing or totally shocked.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you! looks good and my nitpicker can't find anything anymore either.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you mean that awk above or what is "the eater"?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 16:09:23 asciilifeform: ru army philosophy (inherited from sovok) holds that 'magic' is poison.
diana_coman: ah, ah; if you want it there, I can add it (tomorrow though), sure; meant to ask: why no author field in your manifest?
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, anyone remember that azn restaurant reviewer dude who killed himself because his homebrew statistics indicated he'll never find twu wuv ?
diana_coman: huh, I actually remember the azn guy + story but can't extract atm direct link, huh
mp_en_viaje: speaking of meat btw : isn't it lulzy that all the butthurt coverage of sagawa (
typical) somehow omits to mention that since the dude didn't kill anyone again, a) it's very dubious confinement would have helped anything and b) by implication, it's not clear it's such a helpful thing in all the other cases, either.
lobbes: phew, well my pyturd eater is complete. Gonna eat about 4 years of #e logs for deeding, then genesis teh eater itself and publish
lobbes: ah fuck. failures all around. Was working in testing. Back to workbench...
lobbes: it verified for me too, dunno why rejected...
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, feedbot reads her blog there too
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 1d 20h 26m
lobbes: lol mp_en_viaje beat me to the punch
mp_en_viaje: and incidentally i must say, lobbes 's old logger looks very pretty and moves fast. i always liked it.
lobbes: I always did too, buuut pip-isms :/
mp_en_viaje: the colorized names work well as an alternative to linecolors imi.
lobbes: they are all static pages too. Only time a db query happens is in the search
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, yeah you know, can this not be rescued ? i dunno why exactly you're so down on it, but wtf, pretty static pages logotron ftw.
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: well, I still want to complete my own logotron. if there is an interest in a redone version of that old logger, perhaps I can respec
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, maybe you could just make your new logotron use the old ~format~ for spitting out html files ? the format itself must be portable neh ?
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: yeah, I think I might just do that. Make a simple parser that eats (perhaps even from the logbot db) and spits out html. I'll have to think on it
lobbes: not 100% sure yet how this'd go
mp_en_viaje: ok im fully confused. were you making a new logbot or not anymore ?
lobbes: I was going to make a logotron that displays loglines on a www. The logbot itself is already published (the one made by trinque/ben_vulpes)
lobbes: now, I could make a logotron that either displays lines from that db, OR from ZNC logs/irssi logs
lobbes: in my spec before, I was going for something that took the data from the logbot db
lobbes: however, I'm wondering if there is value in just having something that just spits static files in a colorized format (ala the old eulora logger)
lobbes: vs, say, something that queries the db on viewing each log page
mp_en_viaje: this works well ; it looks pretty ; it is well stable and so on.
mp_en_viaje: then you decided to re-write it because i dunno why. then you decided to not rewrite it anymore, because too much work.
mp_en_viaje: a) why not genesis the item as is ? b) what exactly is the problem with it anyways ?!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:31:54 asciilifeform: well no this is a potentially catastrophic bugola
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:39:43 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but #eulora is open, can join with no reg
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:38:49 asciilifeform: there are 3 possible pills : 1) increase delay (and there is no guarantee from fleanode re what suffices) 2) do as ben's bot did, and await the fleanode-specific 'you've been authed' string when connecting 3) perform test re which chans we are in, when connected, and retry until the set of which-chans is equal to the config'd set
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you can always /userlist see what happesn ?
mp_en_viaje: should produce list of asciilifeform [~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform ] ov=00 away=0 lt=214 etc
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: regarding b) I see your confusion. I was talking to diana_coman in #o earlier and I realized I have this bad habit of not really explaining my causes for action, nor my causes for changing course. This leads to confusion all around
lobbes: I'll see if I can't make a blog post about this describing the ugliness under the hood of the current #e logger
lobbes: I'll brb in any case so asciilifeform can debug
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, moreover, your reasoning is quite jumpy. who said that the only possible use of genesis'd material is to run it as-is ? conceivably someone might want to import... your html scheme
mp_en_viaje: if it's there this can be done, if it's not there this... can't be done. maybe someone knows how to take pip out of the process. if it's there they'll do it, if not there they won' chase you. and so following.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but that's the point... if you're not in it... dun work... ergo you know you're not in.
mp_en_viaje: can always /users to see if ircd responds or not
mp_en_viaje: "* 5238 6368 :Current local users 5238, max 6368 * 82886 94773 :Current global users 82886, max 94773" sorta answer.
mp_en_viaje: either way you wish to run it, i'm just stating it's there if useful.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, and more importantly ... if you have it published today to lookat it in 2029 you can ; and if not you... can not. and so on.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : anne heche got genital herpes from her father, who "sexually teased" her until she got her period or thereabouts -- this entirely has nothing to do with her "lesbian"-ism ; jessica alba got genital herpes from some indian dude ; paris hilton also got, possibly from dog ; britney spears got it as a teen ; pamela anderson, lindsay lohan (doh)...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:21:38 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, yeah you know, can this not be rescued ? i dunno why exactly you're so down on it, but wtf, pretty static pages logotron ftw.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:10:52 asciilifeform: delete from loglines where chan = 'ossasepia' and idx < 1000000; and will re-eat when given new
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no, correct way to do this is... as cache.
mp_en_viaje: first time any page is asked for, first look if there already, if not, shit it out.
mp_en_viaje: so WHAT if you end up with 500 versions of "same" page, hurr.
mp_en_viaje: can invalidate cache any time yo uwish also, to "fix"
mp_en_viaje: it ~makes sense~ to have it as html on disk in this particular application.
mp_en_viaje: for the application of logger as we use it, it's immensely better to keep the cache as html files on disk.
mp_en_viaje: the bulk of the cache are historical pages.
mp_en_viaje: say you don't reply, just follow a link, a situation 100x more useful.
mp_en_viaje: it didn't have to be recalculated, was on disk.
mp_en_viaje: saved 99% of all the sweat. once you get more than .05 hits/s this will matter.
mp_en_viaje: the whole point re logs is they don't really change except at the tip. like blockchains.
mp_en_viaje: kinda why i was admiring his "bad" logger.
mp_en_viaje: well, i expect he'll publish it next week sometime, then can read.
mp_en_viaje: his logger looks well the fuck better than all the others, tbh. www-side i mean.
mp_en_viaje: (it is evidently useful to ~save them~, as you found out yourself earlier in #eulora, that the search included them helped you)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, pages are 50kb at a time. takes a whole lotta them to make a difference.
mp_en_viaje: this explains it, as i never ran squid to my memory anywhere
mp_en_viaje: imo not so useful for the case here, either.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:38:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread (
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )
snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:50:38 asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-07 22:06:11 asciilifeform: nao! there ~were~ text processors designed by thinking people, where it ~was~ possible to write a readable proggy with predictable failure conditions. e.g. 'snobol'. but these, buried under 30yrs of sediment, will take serious archaeology to unearth.