tmsr - Log 2019-05-03

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910644 << Aha, yes it does. Thanks for the example link to get me thinking. Will switch it up on the next one. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910580 << prolly time to drop the phraseology and settle for a more adequately modest http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html sorta thing, "this is what i intend to do". doesn't it get akward to "oh, state of bitcoin address, mod6 did this mod6 did that mod6 did the other" ?

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 19:51 mircea_popescu: i ~suppose~ one manner of handling this is the followingf convention : patches to be acquired from $key/gns/ dir, for all keys in the seals ring. so it'd look for "6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/gns" which is not a "valid" domain per usg.verisign "rules" however it DOES resolve in our own system. because we can put ips on anything we want.

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910435 << using gns as proposed, I don't see any other way than passing out ip based links. I can't send a blog link to a slut on fetlife who doesn't have cuntoo, nor can i send a link to cuntoo guide. The whole thing seems like tree forts connected with tin cans and string. For gossipd I have no objection, for name resolution of published material? How is it even published if 'must be this tall to ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910401 << how to handle log links on e.g. blog, such that heathen-loadable tho. ( naked ip, and s/old/new when changes ? )

Mocky: I see embrace and extinguish as more appropriate for dns destruction (ala a dnsmasq-esque approach) than isolated bunkers. I mean, i could have joined up with republic prime instead, but they already completed work on gns prime, and maybe they passed out ip based links for a while, but eventually pulled up the ladders to their tree forts and now they can't even be found. So who knows if republic prime or double prime even exists. ☟︎

Mocky: what's the point of having names if I have to also be ready with the ip addresses all the damn time?

Mocky: i would prefer, 'that link to mocky.istheshit/proof doesn't work? you must have a shitty dns client, here's the right one...'

Mocky: 'this tall' to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this tall' to follow a link: no. ☟︎☟︎

diana_coman: Mocky: isn't the "right one" dns client you're talking about simply a bridge? i.e. sure, have as many bridges as you want, too, what exactly is the problem?

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910983 << mind : the consensus press as visible from your own set of seals! ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 03:18 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works?

mp_en_viaje: so if there's say people a - f and patches counted numerically, supposing you have 1(a-f) -> 2(a, b) / 3 (b c d e f), patch 4 for someone who has a seals list made up of a, b should be on 2,

mp_en_viaje: this produces what looks like a potential problem, in that we'll end up with ambiguous multireferences to same name. i believe this is no problem at all, but merely a licked tooth, and should be kept as such.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910987 > i haven't used civillian dns for what, two years now. i dont' care to, either. this usecase is massively more important than "fetlife slut". for one thing, fetlife slut ain't reading anything anyway ; for the other thing, nothing forces you to limit yourself to gns if you don't want to. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:22 Mocky: ride' plus 'this tall' means in my wot?

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910988 << i dunno wtf "isolated bunkers" are yo utalking about anyways ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:27 Mocky: I see embrace and extinguish as more appropriate for dns destruction (ala a dnsmasq-esque approach) than isolated bunkers. I mean, i could have joined up with republic prime instead, but they already completed work on gns prime, and maybe they passed out ip based links for a while, but eventually pulled up the ladders to their tree forts and now they can't even be found. So who knows if republic prime or double prime even exists.

mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << what exactly can possibly prevent you from keeping retarded dns if that;s what you want ? i mean, just because i'm not stuck editing /etc/hosts by hand all the time does it mean anything about that ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:38 Mocky: 'this tall' to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this tall' to follow a link: no.

mp_en_viaje: obviously in time you'll discover that it's eminently not WORTH it to pay 10 bux or w/e to random empire of idiots pretend-authority. and obviously you'll discover it's fun to declare google.com or w/e whitehouse.gov == pronhub. but these future discovery is neither here nor there ; and the fact that my email currently addressed to mp@whitehouse.gov will start even being delivered once gns is live also doesn' tmatter that much

Mocky: so re your patches example, if patch 2 & 3 both declare patch 1 as parent, and I have wot keys for all a - f, I can't press to both heads correct?

Mocky: the idea seems go be that different people have their own view of hosts file updates based on own view of wot, however, it only works a) without the manifest file and b) pressing to all heads, not just one

Mocky: what would it even look like pressing to multiple heads at the same time? how can you get the updates in both patch 1 and 2 if they are siblings?

mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT THE SAME TIME". any v tree permits any v operator the choice of where the fuck to press to. if the tree is 1->2->3 you can choose to press to 1, 2 or 3. this is not "at the same time". ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: moreover, the selection of seals you put in your seals dir permits you to choose from a multitude of different trees. ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: indeed, if the set of signatures in your seals dir signs a bunch of different possible trees, the situation becomes ambiguous. i was saying, i don't think this is a problem at all (if for no other reason, then because either the user cares or doesn't care. if he does care he can just sign whichever he prefers, then put his own signature in the seals and presto. if he does not care then he doesn't care.)

mp_en_viaje: then again, if the user cares about the signatures in his seals NOT doing this in the first place, he can just nuke whoever who does do it (and can use his own sig to bridge whatever bridges he wants bridged)

diana_coman: fwiw I don't get what the issue is there and what does the manifest have to do with anything

diana_coman: and a sig on a patch to my mind can't anyway be in isolation like that, "just this patch here is fine but I have no idea of what is being patched"

mp_en_viaje: but yes in this case the manifest is possibly spurious, as you're always changing the same one file anyway

diana_coman: and the contents of the manifest file itself are obtained from pressing a tree so it's not like you get mismatch tree <-> manifest and a tangle or I don't see it

a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 01:08 mircea_popescu: they don't got the guts to qatar/burma anymore, that's for damn sure.

mp_en_viaje: kinda how ye olde austro-hungarian lands work, from bohemia to lithuania etc. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:38 Mocky: 'this tall' to have your own actual domain: yes. 'this tall' to follow a link: no.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911006 << imho the correct use, given working gns, for errybody's stockpile of heathen dns names, is to park gateways ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 08:18 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << what exactly can possibly prevent you from keeping retarded dns if that;s what you want ? i mean, just because i'm not stuck editing /etc/hosts by hand all the time does it mean anything about that ?

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what are you using for modem, lol, the remains of the killed stealth bomber in belgrad ?

mp_en_viaje: but no, w/e this 4 star hotel thinks is an adequate infrastructure. w/e, house of sluts. moving tomorro.

mp_en_viaje stopped at "Public House" 4 star hotel earlier walking about. "i don't think they know what public house means", quoth i to my girls. "of course we do!" quoth reception desk gal.

mp_en_viaje: maybe it really is a brothel ; i doubt it tho, looked like slightly ditzy run of the mill.

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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911050 << this slipped by me at 1st but... on my planet lithuania was never in ah afaik ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 13:59 mp_en_viaje: kinda how ye olde austro-hungarian lands work, from bohemia to lithuania etc.

PeterL: maybe the 10th century southern limit of Lithuania was within the largest extent of AH, but most people don't think of that as part of Lithuania

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asciilifeform: dorkmarkets consist on 1 end of usg honeypot and on other, of redditards entirely tired -- apparently -- of living , is afaik all there is to it

asciilifeform: potentially a 'symbiosis' that could live for many yrs, neither ingredient is likely to run out any time soon

a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:02 mircea_popescu: phf, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910230 << done meanwhile ; should be ok now.

lobbesbot: phf: Sent 5 hours and 9 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> canhaz #p logger ? ( or a 'when' at least ) ? ty

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910411 << i'm back from a head clearing trip (went to st. petersburg after georgia), so i ought to be back to doing things ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:08 mp_en_viaje: phf, what are you doing these days ?

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911019 << I stated my assumption, for confirmation, that you can't press to both heads, and you answered with "why not?", and I followed up with 'what would that even look like?' I stated in two different ways that I'm talking about sibling patches with the same parent, not 1->2->3. did you even read what i wrote? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 12:18 mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT THE SAME TIME". any v tree permits any v operator the choice of where the fuck to press to. if the tree is 1->2->3 you can choose to press to 1, 2 or 3. this is not "at the same time".

Mocky: and i can also expand later on what's with the 'connecting', tcp? and what's with the directories, protocol on top of tcp? I'm hoping that its figurative and you don't literally want to build gns on tcp and http

asciilifeform: Mocky: iirc mircea_popescu's scheme centers around a return to the good ol' days when ~all~ names could be found on a given machine's /etc/hosts (or equiv.) -- so one ~could~ in principle use a very slow mechanism to sync'em, and it'll still work in practice. ( tho i also would rather avoid cementing tcpisms into future design of whatever type ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand, the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather than as a regular thing ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i.e. an object moar resembling trinque's wot db than a http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental affair

mp_en_viaje: elementarily you can press to both http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip for instance. either one or the other at any one time, of course, but both in the general sense of "can press". because it's not clear what you mean by "both", and because the question's either absurd or trivial whichever way one goes, and because you don't seem to diagnos

mp_en_viaje: in any case i'd say just about any single implication you propose doesn't follow. elementarily different people having differing views of a patchset on the basis of their seals works just fine with manifest files as without. and so on.

mp_en_viaje: to put in in those terms, the problem ain't so much that i didn't read what you said ; the problem's rather that nor i nor anyone else seems to know ~know~ how to read it.