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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845908 << belarusia still has the primeval forest -- a+++ partizan terrain ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 19:10 mircea_popescu: but the deep reasdon europe is tiny is because there's ~no wilderness, everything's built up, you can walk from town to town in less than a day without exception (this is not coincidental, either, but deliberate, civilisational checkmark at a time before train was "from church to church in one day", and applied as such on us east coast for instance). there's roads everywhere, they're reasonably good (certainly better than neg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845918 << догоним и перегоним америку (tm)(r) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 19:15 mircea_popescu: nuts. apparently it was a very shitty bridge, though i don't recall this being known/discussed at the time.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845890 << florida is a shithole born of the dreams of new england mediocre, and populated by the offspring of bartenders and strippers. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 18:54 ben_vulpes: north of california, west of the rockies the humanpaste is ~entirely undifferentiated, curious to see if this holds for louisiana, tx, fl.
trinque: "nawlens" might be worth a peek, pockets of authentic weird still lurking about.
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought it had drowned?
trinque: eh they're used to it ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845958 << oh hah the mega-plaza. they repainted the old habsburg houses there, btw, not long ago, just as i was there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 20:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reminescences, http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-1.jpg http://trilema.com/paid-content/2012/timisoara-si-zapada-13.jpg HOLYSHIT SNOW
asciilifeform: they're a bright blue nao
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845938 << this supposed untranslatability of ro, is illusory imho, translates just fine to ru and prolly other civilized tongues ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 19:38 mircea_popescu: and here's a special offering for the rotaku club president, one alf : http://trilema.com/2011/cea-mai-faina-chestie-la-romania/#selection-55.0-59.608
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845959 << funnily enuff, i think i recognize all of the backgrounds.. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 20:07 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/fotodocument-ninsoarea-continua/ << sauce.
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-30#420850 << afaik ~nobody any moar has the jre horror, not even the saddest crapple folx, ~entirely abolished
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-30 18:24 mircea_popescu: that even runs in most browsers, does it ? .jre thing ?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845990 << this is possibly the most fitting description of that state I've ever read. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 00:02 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845890 << florida is a shithole born of the dreams of new england mediocre, and populated by the offspring of bartenders and strippers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845983 <<< kinda how minigame ended up with 2nd box ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 23:58 asciilifeform: 'staging box' for newstuff
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845994 << lol, drowned like the gypsy starved. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 00:04 trinque: eh they're used to it
mircea_popescu: not fatal.
ben_vulpes: trinque: hey i like finding shitty bars in shitty neighborhoods and talking up the locals; don't want to live there
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i would like to pen the pets, this isn't quite the free-range wild wild west where i can brand them and expect them back later in the week
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845900 << imho serb outpost would rock ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 19:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes france is not nearly as much "in the eu" as you think, especially the occitan portion. morever, europe is tiny, vienna is a short drive away, the vienna of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-18#1842767 ; and then hungary and serbia and so on.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pen wut ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he keeps dogs
ben_vulpes: children too
asciilifeform: the kind with legs
ben_vulpes: well one
mircea_popescu: my confusion persists.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu hails from lands where the children roam free, are eventually returned to their parents, right?
mircea_popescu: oh oh, i see, someone's gonna TAKE them.
ben_vulpes: aha, "child protective services"
mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone'd want someone else's kids is not unlike the notion someone'd want someone else's mortgage, used tp, etc.
mircea_popescu: not bloody likely.
asciilifeform: iirc they have this 'feature' in all 50 states
asciilifeform: even texas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik in texas it's "except if kid has red ryder"
ben_vulpes: oh no, this is a statal bezzle where the local cps takes "at risk" children and sells them to "foster care". statal human trafficking ring.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not humans. usg stormtroopers. take, and feed to.
asciilifeform: well, i'll let ben_vulpes describe, to what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform state, not federal.
asciilifeform: big diff?
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: fed funding.
mircea_popescu: omfg bimbo can voice self ?!
ben_vulpes: i also happen to enjoy my privacy.
ben_vulpes: it speaks!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: q was why build fence at ~old~ house. or did i misread
mircea_popescu: how do you like the republican corporate environment, ho ?
nicoleci: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845972, i had to because im sorry - i must have broken something. went back to the previous version.. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 23:00 diana_coman: none of the links on bimbo.club work for me -> I can't leave a comment
lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 3 days, 22 hours, and 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8O0EO/?raw=true << Your wordpress login
nicoleci: ah sorry, you can try now
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, its been another adventure :)
asciilifeform: oh hey is this the accountant chix
mircea_popescu: lol check her out, all like upbeat and shit.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah ah, well i started on the fence *first* and then i decided to move.
nicoleci: asciilifeform, not exactly but sure lol
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why not let new owner build it, lol
mircea_popescu: nicoleci i thought you were a pisicologist.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not selling, leasing on, incomplete upgrades are a pretty serious ding in negotiation.
mircea_popescu: wait, you actually own it ?!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hire mexican to finish it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think he can find a cheaper mexican than ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: has it
mircea_popescu: aren't taxes a wonderful thing.
mircea_popescu warmly recommends slave labour, but i guess ben_vulpes stronghold not quite there yet
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, well yes Master but you introduced me to the field...lol
mircea_popescu: wait, which field ?! accountancy ?
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, <mircea_popescu> nicoleci i thought you were a pisicologist.
mircea_popescu: lmao
ben_vulpes: wives are chattel property!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1845998 << sure, but this relies on the myth anyone speaks ru. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845938 << this supposed untranslatability of ro, is illusory imho, translates just fine to ru and prolly other civilized tongues
ben_vulpes: girl in question has been admirably sinking holes, casting posts, hanging cladding.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla folx do speak, lol
mircea_popescu: :p
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh; pisicologist ~='cuntologist'?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes but the idea is to have one in latex supervising 2-3 in the buff!
asciilifeform: neh that'd be pizdo-
asciilifeform: pisica -- cat
asciilifeform: the kind with 4 leg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a wordplay on pisi (which, http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#selection-39.0-41.1 etc, ro word for pleasant young whore) and psycho.
asciilifeform: or, mircea_popescu , also incl with 2 ?
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/pisi-dot-ar-y-otras-temas/ prolly better refpoint.
asciilifeform: lol that thing!
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845806 i don't have an issue working with anybody in here ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 13:21 mircea_popescu: an' finally, to be explicit rather than implicit : dear mats, while it's perfectly fine to be working with whichever lord you prefer to be working, if you don't enjoy working with me, but the place for that is in the respective castle.
ben_vulpes: http://mycadia.com/ << "synthetic brands to sell synthetic food to synthetic people"
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/are-you-a-muslim/#comment-49071 << this i totally gotta resurect. "In the quaint words of the virgin Mari, 'Ÿ can not begÿn to ÿllustrate the ÿmmensÿti of the fuck Ÿ do not gÿve.' "
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-30#1845961 >> those glasses though! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-30 20:08 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/paid-content/2010/graffiti_cr1.jpg << and from back when i was gay...
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.ilblogdellestelle.it/ << i dunno if anyone knows about this lulzy italian... "movement" ? basically, a 60yo comedian joined up with an online advertising "strategist" and created a haphazardly dysfunctional http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39 which nevertheless coallesced a fifth or so of the italian voting public.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's the lulz of all time.
ben_vulpes: horee shit mircea_popescu in stunna shades will wonders never cease
mats: as for the tls collection work, i purchased a 4tb hdd feralhosting box and walked the various Certificate Transparency log servers https://www.gstatic.com/ct/log_list/log_list.json using https://github.com/CaliDog/Axeman to yield ~1tb / 400mn+ certs after deduplication
mircea_popescu: mats what's next on yer plate ?
mats: if you want to do your own analysis, you can download a compressed tarball of the csv i created for your convenience here http://merr.ourea.feralhosting.com/ct.csv.tar.gz with the rows n,e,pem_cert (you'll have to prepend&append "-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE-----\n", "\n-----END CERTIFICATE-----" to this field). i would grab this sooner than later, bill payment for this box stops Sep21
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wonders will crease!
mircea_popescu: both in&de
mats: i neglected to parse for extended attributes, so i expect this csv will come in handy sooner rather than later. the n will aid a faster zgrep, sorry for the trouble
mats: mircea_popescu: over the next couple months, i'm going to reproduce the esp8266 experiment linked yesterday, and try to identify an even lower usable power state
mircea_popescu: not bad. got a blog going yet ?
mats: depending on how that goes, i'll explore different power plants, and if THAT goes well, there's a gnat port to build future ffa-gossipd
mats: no, not yet.
mircea_popescu: so make one, that way you have where to put the story of that attempt, and we have what to link against.
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/ << The Whet - hanbot's ZNC bouncer notes
mats: you got it
hanbot: ^ of possible Mocky interest
Mocky: thx! will take a look
Mocky: 'depilation treatment' lol
mircea_popescu: that said, some field investigation of powerplants is actually quite sorely needed. i suspect there's a decent gap between words online and objects the chinese ship, exactly in the vein of hanbot 's story above.
mircea_popescu: "what ~exactly~ can be had from https://www.amazon.com/Glamorway-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O or https://www.amazon.com/AOSHIKE-Polycrystalline-Silicon-Photovoltaic-Charger/ in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort. ☟︎
mats: for the record, vultr and feralhosting were uncooperative regarding abuse complaints
mats: scaleway didn't give me any lip tho
mircea_popescu: who the hell would complain ?!
mats: koreans
mats: http://archive.is/2923P#selection-9.1294-9.1761 << i got half a dozen of these sorts
mats: cause knocking on the door is criminal, or something
mircea_popescu: nutty
mircea_popescu: wait, wtf sql injection ? you were getting certs or ?
mircea_popescu: um... you did this in... 2016 ?!
mats: sorry for the confusion, i got similar complaints for doing the ipv4 ssh/http/https/ssl scans
mats: thats not my complaint above, just has identical wording. i can't see the original complaints, as accounts were banned by the various providers
mats: oops - ssh/http/tls
mircea_popescu: ah
lobbes: !Qlater tell mircea_popescu #e logs are updating again >> http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: so I have a question for the more experienced server operators out there: As of yesterday I found that I can no longer ssh into my rockchip (eggog: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PKeSK/?raw=true) ☟︎
lobbes: In addition: any attempts at reaching the www results in 403 errors.. (http://blog.lobbesblog.com/)
lobbes: the weird thing (to me), is that it seems that I can -only- connect on port 5000 (which is the port I configured ZNC to use and the port through which I am speaking through -right now-)
lobbes: any ideas from anyone will be appreciated. I suspect znc is the culprit (problem started after setting that up) but I can't even diagnose without getting into the thing
lobbes off to sit on stake for 8 hours. bbl
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Do you want me to check your sshd_config?
asciilifeform: lobbes: loox like you zapped your pubkey somehow ?
asciilifeform: ( or chmodded it so cannot load )
asciilifeform: lobbes: rockchip boxen do not have vga/kbd consoles. so if this is so, the only way to recover your unit is to move the disk to another box and manually enable pw'd root login
BingoBoingo: I got hit with that error yesterday, rockchip was unresponsive to pings. Ended up pulling the drive, going over sshd_cofig and power cycling my Rockchip
asciilifeform: folx, make separate user for znc
asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell ) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox cure lobbes's rk . but in the future, this will prolly have to cost something, as it uses hands.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the quickest cure is simply to walk there and unplug his mains, and stick the disk in your lappy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's what I did on mine.
BingoBoingo: lobbes is the D machine?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: .194 is A, ... 199 : F
BingoBoingo: Aite, going to caffinate a bit more. I would like to wait for lobbes to confirm the order.
asciilifeform: aite
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/new-york-jewtropolis-name-live-on-snapchat-zillow-other-sites-briefly/ << Qntra - New York 'Jewtropolis' Name Live On SnapChat, Zillow, Other Sites Briefly
lobbes: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: sry about the radio silence; was in transit to $saltmines. I can confirm I'm fine with BingoBoingo working his magic on the box (Im also fine with the idea of paying a 'service fee', this was most likely my doing)
BingoBoingo: lobbes: ty, will head down soon then. Got another Qntra to squeeze out.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846134 << aha, while I did make a seperate user for znc.. I did not do the sbin/nologin as shell. Will make this standard practice going forward ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
lobbes: BingoBoingo: take yer time. Im stuck in $mines for the next 7 hours or so anyways
lobbes: But also: ty
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-lawyer-changes-story-in-appellate-trial-7-years-after-case-started-working-through-courts/ << Qntra - USG Lawyer Changes Story In Appellate Trial, 7 Years After Case Started Working Through Courts
Mocky: BingoBoingo, "to play *be* its own rulebook"
BingoBoingo: Mocky: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-31#421453 << i had nfi muslims are that into micromanagement.
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 2 hours and 47 minutes ago: <lobbes> #e logs are updating again >> http://logs.minigame.biz/latest.log.html
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:35 rkta: Αⅼlаh iѕ dഠiᥒɡ
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 36 minutes ago: <Mocky> http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-8-31#421381 << we're on the same page. bot looks for You practiced Gathering but you don't seem to get any better at it. in fact, looks only for You practiced
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 06:35 mircea_popescu: Mocky i realise now i misspoke ; the idea is for the bot to stop when it sees the "you gain experience but don't seem to improve" message ; not when you level up a skill
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Looks from here like you are good to go ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828392 : ever screened http://trilema.com/2011/cel-mai-bun-film/#selection-55.0-55.14 for her ? it occurs to me it's possibly the best resource for student, genuine work of art, simplest language i can imagine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 19:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet is working through learning ru, and periodically succumbs to temptation of google translate as 'learning tool', with predictably lulzy result
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846134 << this. znc has no business sharing your user, and ESPECIALLY not root. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 13:21 asciilifeform: ( with /sbin/nologin as shell )
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu wavws
asciilifeform: re znc -- it's a terrifying crock o'shit, but afaik there's no working replacement of yet
asciilifeform: fwiw i configged mine without the www plugin, but was a while ago
mircea_popescu: we seem to be collecting these.
asciilifeform: the sad part, it doesn't even do very much, could prolly be replaced with slightly refined trinqueian irc bot
asciilifeform: ( tho znc does dance the fleanode-demanded ssl crapola dance )
mircea_popescu: i expect, yes. 99% of the function is basically an irc proxy ; i expect 99% of the code is other dumb shit
asciilifeform: aha, proxy/reconnector + buncha ???? ( www configurator, fuckknowswhatelse )
mod6: Ok, so this whole pricing thing with Pizarro. (Thread begins here: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#419975). We've been discussing this for a few days now. And anyone who has month-to-month service has been made correct in their pricing for August, as well as anyone who has established new "Shared Hosting" in August (nicoleci).
mircea_popescu: evidently a lot of republicans, and even a bunch of lords use, so it'd be entirely not wasted effort if someone wants to flatten the ircbot into this role.
mircea_popescu: especiallty considering most people who run a bot also want a znc -- if most people who want a znc get a free bot in the process it won't hurt anything.
asciilifeform: i set up a znc box in '16, has been working since ~continuously ( moved 1ce, disk burned out 1nce )
asciilifeform: you give it a user, /sbin/nologin, put the thing itself in cron @reboot , that's it
mod6: There are five (I previously thought there were four) accounts that have longer dated contracts, people who have signed up for a full year, or multiple months. We want to compensate those accounts for a mis-pricing posted since May 29th. The idea was to credit them 0.001 BTC/mo for June, July, and August.
mod6: Initially, I thought this was the right approach. But also could see that maybe, this wasn't square enough for longer dated contracts. However, this sets a bad precedent of reprincing active contracts if pricing or circumstances change.
mod6: mircea_popescu, for instance is paying for one of these for Mocky.
mod6: This one was setup on May 3rd, and goes through the end of 2018.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i really wouldn't bother ; prices can fluctuate, it's the nature of the beast, what are youi going to do, liquify all contracts and keep track of back and forth movements ? it's insanity.
mircea_popescu: the only thing it does is make accounting overexpensive.
mod6: I agree, it makes everything a nightmare really.
mircea_popescu: people sign up for what they sign up for ; if that changes it's one thing to give them the more favourable price going forward ; but you can't do this retroactive thing ?
mod6: I can see that too, Sir. I just wanna make sure we're doing the Right Thing (tm).
mircea_popescu: you seriously can't be sitting there spending hours on this pennies thing. ☟︎
trinque: if you're trying to guard reputation, all you need to do is communicate clearly about the mechanism, and be done with it.
trinque: and then yeah, go get some ads up or something much more important
mod6: trinque: Thank you, fair enough.
mircea_popescu: it seriously can not be worth your time, this. i mean we're talking 0.001 or something ? 'cmon.
mod6: Fair point, I just didn't want to judge if how much someones money is worth to them outright.
mod6: Without some considedration, anyway.
trinque: speaking for myself, I'm gonna be way crankier if I've got 0.3BTC of hardware down there that's suddenly homeless
trinque: than over w/e beer money on the shared hosting ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for one thing.
mircea_popescu: for the other fucking thing -- suppose the price went the OTHER way. what, you're gonna hit everyone with pesky small extra bills ?
mod6: True enough.
mircea_popescu: people who don't want long term contracts, ie don't want the fx risk, don't get long term contracts. it's that simple really.
mod6: *nod* agreed,
mod6: s/,/./
mod6: Well with that, I'm glad I brought this up in here. The guidence is going to be: Pizarro won't do anything at this time for existing contracts. Upon renewal, you'll pay the posted price.
mircea_popescu: as i'm 100% certain i'd have rejected a bill with the heading "see mp, it's more expensive nao than when we shook hands", i'm correspondingly 100% certain i don't care what happened. cuz that's why i'd have rejected it, "i don't care what happened".
mod6: Right.
mod6: I think I just needed some setting straight. I appreciate that.
mircea_popescu: dun mention it.
mod6: o7
diana_coman: mod6, as pizarro customer on a year-long contract I can confirm I do *not want* anything to be done; one upside of going longterm is precisely that it's set for some time and it doesn't require any additional ongoing attention essentially
mod6: Hi diana_coman! Thank you for your feedback.
hanbot: hey mod6, all this talk about znc being a crock and so on is a little unnerving. did http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-30#420622 change in meanwhile? anything you'd like me to do?
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-30 00:31 hanbot: q for the management --can i set up znc on UY3?
mod6: Hi, I've always stayed clear of znc, so have never used it myself. Let me take a look at what asciilifeform said above.
mod6: Regardless, we trust you to set it up and manage it -- It may be reasonable to find an alternative if one comes around that's suitble.
mod6: In your blog, you point out that you are using xchat. For me, since I use irssi (this might be helpful to others on the shared-environemt), it could be started up in a screen session, and simply ssh in attach your screen (or tmux?) to irc.
mod6: Or even a rockchip could be a good home for a remote irc boxen.
mod6: asciilifeform is our resident expert on these matters; are we still ok to let users run znc (at least for now)?
mircea_popescu: i suppose putting together a standard ircing recipe can't hurt anything
asciilifeform: mod6: znc (or whatever else) on rk box is between user and his gods
mod6: sure, but what about UY1?
asciilifeform: mod6: if on the shared machine, gotta avoid stepping on one another's feet, say which port you're gonna listen on
asciilifeform: ( say in #p , or here, but so as next user knows what ports in use )
asciilifeform: this is elementaryt
asciilifeform: *elementary
mod6: Aha. hanbot did give us her port number
mod6 digs up log-link
asciilifeform: so then where is problem
mod6: She's just making sure, since you noted what a pile of garbage it is.
asciilifeform: it's a pile of shit, just like emacs, kernel, gcc, all the rest of the sad sack of shit errybody is stuck using.
asciilifeform: set it up once, pour cement, leave it alone.
mod6: here's that link: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-8-31#421340
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-31 04:22 hanbot: i've got znc running on UY1:50321, ftr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly publish your recipe.
asciilifeform: this sounds like a local port
asciilifeform: i.e. cannot connect from outside
asciilifeform: hanbot: this actually worked ?
hanbot: yes, am connected thusly atm.
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: i thought ports that high weren't forwarded.
asciilifeform: mod6: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_reserved_ports on uy box plox
mod6: Sure
mod6: 0x0a
asciilifeform: i.e. nil
mod6: yup
asciilifeform: apparently not set by default on recent linuxen
mircea_popescu: yeah but upstream ? impressivbe.
asciilifeform: i see no particular reason to care
mircea_popescu: me either. just, not what i remembered.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally >=32768 aha
mircea_popescu: right. i had no idea they even route.
asciilifeform: 0..65535 routs.
asciilifeform: linux traditionally had a cutoff where 'localhost only'
asciilifeform: above 32k.
asciilifeform: it's convention, is all, the high ports were reserved for the local ends of tcp pipes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like hanbot already posted working recipe.
asciilifeform just nao read
mircea_popescu: well yeah ; it doesn't include hwatever sbin setting you were discussing though. i guess leave as a comment.
asciilifeform: http://thewhet.net/2018/08/hanbots-znc-bouncer-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-54996 ftr.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846107 << specifically : "if burried cold plate six inches deep among roots on moss side of tree and nailed warm plate six inches high on opposite side of tree, power output throughout a year at x lat y long looks like this : " ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-31 04:50 mircea_popescu: "what ~exactly~ can be had from https://www.amazon.com/Glamorway-TEC1-12706-Thermoelectric-Cooling-Peltier/dp/B00IKDL22O or https://www.amazon.com/AOSHIKE-Polycrystalline-Silicon-Photovoltaic-Charger/ in the woods behind my house / on the roof of my windowsil" etc entirely not wasted effort.
mircea_popescu: "day and nigth power output of solar panel throughout the year is here : ; observe the full moon on y and the blood moon on z" and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_moon_prophecy << for the lulz files.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: goes best with a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1842253 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-16 18:18 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform obtained and testing a LTC3108 , 'energy harvester', they've become cheapo
mircea_popescu: i expect ya
asciilifeform: ( there's several similar chips on the market, afaik that's the cheapest )
mircea_popescu: in field use ; for research, something that records voltages i guess
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: want to record not simply voltage, but just how many milliwatts/hrs available from the harvester ( in field practice you cannot do much of anything with e.g. peltier without harvester )
asciilifeform: how to do : it charges cap ( the demo unit i have here from china, has 4 1F 2.2v caps ) and runs a boost converter from these, as well as lighting up 'power good' pin when 3.3v (from the latter) is available. so you put a test load on the 3.3v out ( say , 1W 100 ohm resistor ) and record events when 'power good' signal changes.
asciilifeform: from this, can calculate practical energy availability.
asciilifeform: from this, in turn, can say, e.g., 'in the daytime, september, such-and-such latitude, can get J joules/sec , then after sundown, J', ... ' etc
asciilifeform: ltc3108 has an intake transformer . the demo board is sold in two variants, one where it has a low:high winding ( for peltiers, solar ) and one where high:low ( for piezos ). the latter is for noise/vibratory harvester -- e.g. tree branch in the wind.
asciilifeform: think of the harvester as an impedance matcher between the physical source of energy, and the consuming device.
mod6: meat,brb
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is actually a good approach yeah.
mircea_popescu: just record the light switching.
mircea_popescu: to get fancy can make something like ben_vulpes 's block follower, make it do hourly reports in a chan, review whenever
asciilifeform: wire it up to a (battery-powered) universal remote thing, with the rx end indoors , where you can log.
asciilifeform: from the intervals, can compute energy in.
mircea_popescu: yep.
mircea_popescu: and by reporting it "live" as it were, solve all the data integrity problems etc.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: nice.
asciilifeform: ( don't put logger in the box per se, will miss good % of the flips, as e.g. sd card eats ridiculous current , which the harvester may or may not at a given time be able to supply )
asciilifeform: btw peltier, solar, piezo are not the only possib harvests. there is also inductive coupling from mains cabling ( street lights, etc , user yer imagination )
asciilifeform: *use
mircea_popescu: certainly this counts as qualification for lab physicist. many ways available to introduce systematic errors.
asciilifeform: for inductive coupler, 5-6 turns of insulated copper around $victim will suffice
asciilifeform: ( use the high:low variant )
asciilifeform: think back to the old-school noncontact ac voltmeter, same principle.
mircea_popescu: but yes, judging by how ubiquitous "computer mouse thrown over power lines" are in urban environment (when it's not sneakers, at any rate) might be very practical approach -- put the inductive coil in the mouse cable ; and the transmitter in the body.
asciilifeform: can get tens of watts, this way.
asciilifeform: 24/7.
mircea_popescu: on a high power line, can get a lot yes.
asciilifeform: even on street light line. certainly enuff to run just about anything you might care to fit in the box.
mircea_popescu: http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5470/9290272320_8f198ac9e7_z.jpg
asciilifeform: i'd avoid ^ these , cable with multi-kV insulation aint cheap
asciilifeform: and 'sapper errs once'
asciilifeform: ordinary city lamps will suffice.
mircea_popescu: i suspect those are .5MV
asciilifeform: for these, frying pan wound with magnet wire ~at ground level~, as tuned circuit, is actually enuff
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: that's what i was going to say, you don't have to get THAT close. if air is no longer dielectric you're too close.
mircea_popescu: energy abundantly available well before you get that close.
asciilifeform: just stand in the near field. ( recall the folx with unplugged fluorescent lamps )
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: can prolly even bury stuff along the lines. nobody will ever fucking find.
mircea_popescu: one inch of dirt's worth one mile of otp tape.
asciilifeform: in some places they guard'em, but usually not (picture the cost), typically proprietor figures that monkeying near hv lines is self-punishing
asciilifeform: the spread of copper bandits might change the equation tho.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to "guard".
asciilifeform: ( i can picture a near future when hv line rights of way are mined, say )
mircea_popescu: if you had people that entreprising...
mircea_popescu: you don't. the cowsies just wanna.
asciilifeform: not mined by usg, lol. by copper hunters..
mircea_popescu: anyway, shall bbl!
asciilifeform: ( but no, at least over here we dun have 'enterprising'. we have repair crews that barely repair )
asciilifeform: laters.
BingoBoingo: And I just got jewed by a chicken
asciilifeform: lolwat
BingoBoingo: So I'm putting together my healthy 4 egg veggie scramble, and one of the eggs didn't have a yolk
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the 'bernstein as nsa stooge' concept slowly percolates from the republic, https://sporaw.livejournal.com/538323.html
mod6: jurov: how's it going with the move of the ML?
mod6: lol BingoBoingo
mod6: don't choke your chicken too hard
BingoBoingo: lol, I just can't believe this chicken I've never met cheated my out of the good stuff
mod6: !!sent-invoices
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mod6: Thanks Sir!
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trinque: hey mod6, when's the next auction?