diana_coman: well, they are very good at pretense otherwise so they can ...pretend they haven't found anything, right? what is this, half-assed pretense only?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd very much like the redirect-unvoiced functionality already, also.
mircea_popescu: whaack, you did produce grammatically correct trash. i can readily see whence the temptation comes, but what you have to take on faith (lacking as of yet the capacity to for yourself distinguish) is that the various "similarily looking" trilema articles substantially aren't at all similar.
mircea_popescu: in short, my trivializing, oral style's built out of a whole lotta scholarship, not out of a whole lotta triviality.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you know, reading your boys' things, the most striking lulz is the creeping in the usian socialist republic of the traditions of the romanian socialist republic. do you recall how utterly infuriating for the general population it was, in the 80s, the constant need to have all social arrangements dependent on the very flimsy supply arrangements of the bankrupt & dysfunctional state ?
mircea_popescu: it couldn't be, in 1985 cluj, a case of "come meet me
at X for Y". it always had to be "[unless they're out]" as a coda. unless theyre's a [too long] queue, etcetera.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well, only earlier this morning it dawned on me that yesterday's idiot would have been quite at place at a party meeting so yeah.
mircea_popescu: but by now, "the west" is exactly in that fucking position, "oh, this is the pizzeria, you can't have some pizza, oh that was the steakhouse where i was gonna take my friend as he was leaving, well... there was a queue so we ended up not going, that'll be our memory of our parting in year Z, how we were gonna but didn't because the regime is a piece of shit"
mircea_popescu: pretty much certain it's what got ceausescu shot, in the end, a hundred thousand people with a thousand memories each of "my friend Q, place W, year R ; my friend T, place Y, year U" and so on.
diana_coman: I got the other part - which in hindsight proved good training at least - ie if you want something, you gotta do it yourself or forget about it!!
diana_coman: but apparently they are not at this stage yet/too much fat still to get there or dunno.
mircea_popescu: they fucking reconstructed it, except of course improved by experience. who the fuck do we shoot now!
diana_coman: myeah, version 2.0 revised and updated, quite so.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, what the fuck, so im gonna make my own boot atelier, produce locally everything, clothes made in the house, have my own pizza oven... do you realise this is EXACTLY what created the "Dark" ages, all the lords retired to their latifundiae and made everything there on slave labour ?
mircea_popescu: not that hanbot_abroad doesn't make >50% of all the sushi we eat by now, but holy hell
diana_coman: and what truly gets me is this memory (that doesn't even seem to be just mine alone/specific to me) of that great-grandfather who hung on to life just to get to ask the guy coming back from the first trip to the US "how is it there,really?"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you mean it's not the effect of the Dark ages but the cause? I don't quite see it tbh.
diana_coman: I suppose I should rather be grateful that they are dead and so don't get to see indeed how it is there, really.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i mean it's not the effect but the cause.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, perhaps I can see the "retreat" as that ie why not cooperate with the rest so that maybe one does x and another y and so on; rather than each tarabostes-style; but otherwise, I don't think there was much *else* to do.
mircea_popescu: well no, but look : lords there shall be. that's the first node. now, what shall they do ? either they gather, or they do not.
mircea_popescu: to gather, they must gather somewhere. if the lordship fails to produce a schelling point, they will not gather.
mircea_popescu: and obviously odoacer had that major effect, of ruining the roman forum's schelling point quality. something which it had, perdurantly, for centuries, was lost one summer, like things are lost, like all lido gets a sandbar eventually.
mircea_popescu: before some point cca 300, all that was good in this world was sorting out the seating arrangements on the benches in this acre of park somewhere. after that point, it was not.
diana_coman: hm, brings the current failure to move off freenode (and still no gossipd either) into focus really.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-04 01:39:30 mircea_popescu: there's a lenghty pile of disadvantages to the current mechanism we use, not least of these being that it actually imports koch-pgp. it also does suspect signature shenanigans of all sorts, which could potentially present security risks
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that is true re basic tools, certainly; it strikes me that we are for all intent and purpose "gathering" here in the forum, no? sure, presumably the blogs can work too as alternative (they did or at least trilema did when needed) but still.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: in 2 words, easily gone; only yest freenode was in full blown idiocy with all those parts, not like it can't decide one day to further idiocy.
mircea_popescu: everything that exists is easily gone. rome sits on karstic hills, a guatemala-style sinkhole could have opened up and swallowed it 600 cubits underearth at any point. it didn't, which is besides the point in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: the reason we want better tools is for to manage the interlocking system of options, as per von moltke's doctrine (yes, fellow's not coincidentally mentioned ; but indeed has been for a long time among the greatest influences of manly sanity available), not to actually ~do~ anything forthwith.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: sure re karstic hills; to my mind redundancy does something though (that is not to say it *guarantees* anything, of course, nor that it's any guarantees that are to be sought anyway).
mircea_popescu: yes. it specifically permits one to manage an interlocking system of options.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the media circus of the day revolves around the femstate's "weather satellites" having noticed SO2 over wuhan in concentrations of like... 1400 ug/m3
mircea_popescu: which, you know, ~technically~ could be the result of burning corpses. you know, like because so many people died from the latest "bird flu" nonsense that there's a cloud of sulphur dioxide
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for the part where wuhan was never within western world tolerances for pollutants this millenium, nor since the mid 80s/early 90s, and this includes everything, not just so2. these are the people building coal power plants by the hundred A DAY, after all.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the math... actually, i suppose i might as well make this an article huh. brb
whaack: mircea_popescu: noted. what I gather is I tried to use a style I dun understand and created something amusing in the “laugh at” rather than “laugh with” sense. When you say the various “similarly looking” articles substantially aren’t at all similar - did you mean that the trilema articles are not similar to each other or that they’re not similar to what I produced?