deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/american-unrest-mitigation-1990 << CH - American unrest mitigation: 1990-????
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nice work there!
lobbes: Oh hey. Ty BingoBoingo for that php5.6-on-gentoo-rockchip guide. I will try it out (paging diana_coman)
asciilifeform waves
asciilifeform eats log
mircea_popescu: o hey, there you are. i was starting to think you got kidnapped!
asciilifeform: naa went to meatspace for a spell
mod6: hi asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819266 << the shoemaker's favourite tv , allegedly☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 18:52 spyked: with telly savalas aka kojak (which was also popular on romanian tv in the early 90s)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819283 << ha, i had nfi that any of the shitforks were still chugging along☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 20:10 mod6: !Q calc 0.00598863 * 35.38714671
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819298 << during the 1st lolfork, i did this for self, and for a friend, prolly time to revv up the relevant tool again ( if anybody ~really~ doesn't feel like doing his own: gpggram asciilifeform, we'll work something out )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-28 00:09 mircea_popescu: jurov, do you offer sweeping of old bitcoin addies as a service ? might be a decent way to cash some change.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819317 << i'ma definitely try this in the coming days, ave1☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-28 15:23 deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ << ave1 - Building GNAT on MUSL, now always static
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819336 << holyshit, BingoBoingo doing my chores for me! ty BingoBoingo !☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-28 23:38 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/ << Bingo Blog - Learning Portage Together: Building PHP 5.6 On Arm64 RockChip Gentoo
asciilifeform never tested php on arm64 with own hands, of yet, so did not hit $bug
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819330 << picture what fishing might be like... if fish could speak☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-28 20:10 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-girl-that-had-the-world-ahead-of-her/ << Trilema - The girl that had the world ahead of her
asciilifeform: 'hook, what hook, and what frying pan? you are a peculiarly long worm'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ideally a bot that just eats a btc address and list of privkeys.
asciilifeform: and autointerfaces to a gox?! or how does it sell
asciilifeform: seems like a mighty flammable mix, to trust to a robot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, look into that nationalist-stalinist dood i fished out. now THAT is some primo extinct species. i had nfi such extreme rarities even existed, in my book the only nationalist-stalinists were stalin himself and ceausescu. not even broz tito. but lo and behold, a french-dwelling irishman!
asciilifeform: aaactually loox like a standard limonov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ideally interfaces with all the goxen.
asciilifeform: what i did not know, is that english-speaking specimens of this, exist
mircea_popescu: nah, limonov is deeply internationalist.
asciilifeform: but ireland is prime country for these, if they do, consider e.g. valera
mircea_popescu: you mean savenko muppet or which ?
asciilifeform: him
mircea_popescu: he's about as nationalist as moldbug.
mircea_popescu: actually... he's about exactly everything moldbug. except older version = better read.
asciilifeform: which limonov did mircea_popescu read, i now gotta ask
asciilifeform: ( today he's a burned out old fart, afaik. but if one reads his prison lit -- yes nationalist )
mircea_popescu: there's also a historian limonov
asciilifeform: 'historian' is definitely not how i'd describe eduard l. ( b. savenko ) d00d
mircea_popescu: no no. what was it... hm.
mircea_popescu: medieval studies, something or the other.
mircea_popescu: this is the previous generation, 80s.
asciilifeform: that one i have nfi about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, https://www.amazon.com/Rossii%CD%A1a%EF%B8%A1-inostrant%CD%A1s%EF%B8%A1ev-Biblioteka-Stranit%CD%A1s%EF%B8%A1y-Otechestva/dp/5289009442 << this is the fellow ; but not the item.
mircea_popescu: but definitely him, leningrad school.
mircea_popescu: the book though, was early rus
asciilifeform: aa this is very diff fella than the one asciilifeform sometimes mentions.
mircea_popescu: https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/180438?lookfor=author:%22Limonov,%20IU.%20A%22&offset=2&max=2 << here, this is the actual book.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the foggiest of the foggy memories, jesus. but the mind will associate! through a fucking million lines, it will associate.
asciilifeform: btw, the 'true' limonov's masterlulz, was actually translated to english. for aficionados strictly : https://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/1002492/Limonov_Edward_-_Its_Me_Eddie.html
mircea_popescu: i thought it was mostly wank published by various french people ~about~ the funny friday fellow that someone imported to his salon.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, ro also has one of these, "check out the genuine afrussican". http://trilema.com/2011/mizerabilul-vasile-ernu/
mircea_popescu: not all that genuine either, but what can you do.
asciilifeform: naa ^this one is autobio, from his time in usa
asciilifeform: where he, e.g., : 'I am on welfare. I live at your expense, you pay taxes and I don't do a fucking thing. Twice a month I go to the clean, spacious welfare office at 1515 Broadway and receive my checks. I consider myself to be scum, the dregs of society, I have no shame or conscience, therefore my conscience doesn't bother me and I don't plan to look for work, I want to receive your money to the end of my days. And my name is Edichka
asciilifeform: , "Eddie-baby."'
asciilifeform: 'You don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's precious little – $278 a month. You don't want to pay. Then why the fuck did you invite me, entice me here from Russia, along with a horde of Jews? Present your complaints to your own propaganda, it's too effective. That's what's emptying your pockets, not I.'
mircea_popescu: eh...
asciilifeform: 'Who was I over there? What's the difference, what would it change? I hate the past, as I always have, in the name of the present. Well, I was a poet, if you must know, a poet was I, an unofficial, underground poet. That's over forever, and now I am one of yours, I am scum, I'm the one to whom you feed shchi and rotten cheap California wine – $3.59 a gallon – and yet I scorn you. Not all of you, but many. Because you lead dull li
asciilifeform: ves, sell yourselves into the slavery of work, because of your vulgar plaid pants, because you make money and have never seen the world. You're shit!'
asciilifeform: enuff for the l0gz. who wants moar? go, read, weep.
mircea_popescu: the coupla hundred bucks is a problem in the feverish imaginations of campy characters scratching at the windows of the blackface performance.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: d00d eventually went back to ru, had a beer hall putsch of sorts, jailed, sat, wrote buncha lulz, 1000s of pg of lulz, got out, now fringe politics d00d who walks around with swastica-hammersickle hybrid thing, sums to -- afaik -- 0 )
mircea_popescu: well, "poet", whatever. sorta like going around saying you're a homemaker.
asciilifeform: he was poet like yer dog is a sculptor.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is that, using the human genome to implement a bird, give or take ?
asciilifeform: the translator sweated, however : 'My girl they will snatch / From the car by the nape / And I will then watch / The men commit rape '
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's uniformly terrible. as it happens i just rewatched the original american psycho.
mircea_popescu: just about the level.
mircea_popescu: "we here in america, colony of europe, think 7th grade schooling is great accomplishment"
asciilifeform: 'Fuck your world where there's no place for me, I thought in despair. If I can't destroy it, at least I'll die a fine death in the attempt, along with others like me. I had no concrete image of how this would come about, but from past experience I knew that he who seeks fate is always provided an opportunity; I would not remain without one.'
asciilifeform: anyway, for the entomologist.
asciilifeform will bbl.
mircea_popescu: in the end the summum of concerns boils down to "whose gray-on-white business card is better".
mod6: i remember the film. only watched it once though, probably around the time it came out.
mod6: indeed, guy was obsessed with which shade of white his business card was, or something :D
mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.
mircea_popescu: he's literally the only one not psychotic.
mod6: I gotta re-watch this now.
mircea_popescu: because you know, obviously, if everyone gets to choose everything that happens to them, then necessarily there's no possibility of human interaction. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: (and obviously the choice will also be illusory, for the fundamental reason explained by qt in reservoir dogs : "if nobody knows anyone they're going to start arguing on scarce resource division ~AND NOT KNOW WHEN TO BACK DOWN~". nobody knows WHY they don't get to go to $exclusiverestaurant when they want to. nor can they know. so there's nothing to talk about.)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, imo american psycho should be watched in tandem with naked city. perfect america sandwich.
mod6: i've never seen 'naked city'
mod6 looks up
mircea_popescu: i reviewed it recently. it's pretty great imo.
mod6: Ah, I'll dig up your review here.
mod6: http://trilema.com/2018/the-naked-city/ << 1949 film, got it. Cheers!
mod6: Year my old man was born.
mircea_popescu: a long, long, time ago... but i can still remember...
mod6: these m00 cow stories are pretty sad, but hilarious at the same time.
mircea_popescu: girls keep betting me they can distinguish the two apart, and then that's the last i hear on the matter.
mod6: Yeah, last footnote there has it.
lobbes: aha! I can confirm BingoBoingo's excellent guide works like a charm; php5.6 successfully built in ol' lobbes' rockchip
mircea_popescu: nice!
mircea_popescu: arm php huh
mod6: nice lobbes
lobbes: now to get it playing nice with mysql..
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/05/mp-wp-fix-for-comments-vpatch/ << The Whet - MP-WP: Fix for Comments vpatch
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-15 22:31 esthlos: there's not even a mysql use flag, just mysqli and PDO
lobbes: seems indeed no mysql for /dev-lang/php (but then.. how did you get mp-wp working if mysqli evidently can't cut the mustard and no mysql O_o) >> https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php
lobbes off to bed-world
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/convert-a-tmsr-key-to-pgp/ << ave1 - Convert a TMSR key to PGP
phf: ave1: ^ patch and signature links 404
deedbot: http://ave1.org/2018/pgpy-a-review/ << ave1 - PGPy a review
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:46 mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.
ave1: phf, thank you, should be fixed now!
mod6: mornin TMSR~
phf: howdy
mod6: how goes phf?
mod6: ye ole 170 bps move in .it 2yrs
phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
mod6: Ah, yeah. Get some well-deserved time off. R&R for a few days at least.
phf: it's also that brief time of the year in maryland dc area when the weather is _good_. the rollercoaster of winter is past, but the swampy oppressive summer isn't here yet.
phf: mod6: you planning any vacations?
mod6: speaking of maryland, I saw that one town near baltimore had some raging torrents of rain rushing through the streets this weekend.
mod6: up here, we didn't even get a spring. few weeks back (it seems) was getting blizzards, now last weekend, it was 101 deg. F.
mod6: I'm hoping to get some vacation in, still trying to plan something. Nothing definite yet though.
phf nods
mod6: Werd. I gotta remember to work on finding some time. Even if just a long weekened or whatever.
phf: yeah that's what i'm doing, a long weekend
phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
mod6: haha, nice
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, q re php version: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115100
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Answered http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115101
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819338 << ty, I plan on blogging the rest of the walk to mp-wp on the rockchip so it is on the shelf for future reference.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 00:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nice work there!
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, thanks; looking forward to the rest of the walk to mp-wp at any rate (I can see the appeal of ligthtpd for sure)
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819354 << You only have so many hands☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-28#1819336 << holyshit, BingoBoingo doing my chores for me! ty BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty for your tests! i have linked your pg from http://nosuchlabs.com/hardware.html now.
asciilifeform: ^ now has link to mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , and BingoBoingo 's FG tests. if anyone else posted FG tester outputs and i missed -- please write in !
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I left a comment on yer guide re: php5.6 shitgnomes deprecating mysql in favor of mysqli. (Should be in queue). This will be a boon indeed if we can string all the quirks of mp-wp-on-rockchip in one place
mod6: I do have these ones too for the one hooked up to the rockchip, not sure if interested: http://mod6.net/2018/May/12/rockchip_fg_test.txt
asciilifeform: mod6: definitely, turn it into a blogpost
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : i'm still interested in , at least in theoretical stage, a less-retarded replacement for dieharder
asciilifeform: but afaik nobody's hands are free for this presently.
mod6: That is the blog post :]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's FUCKGOATS, btw, not FUCKGOAT ( re: your post )
mod6: I can html-ify it for ya.
asciilifeform: no need, i can link to as-is
trinque: it is truly poverty for a man to only have one FUCKGOAT
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: lobbes http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/05/28/learning-portage-together-building-php-5-6-on-arm64-rockchip-gentoo/#comment-115103
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819444 << and that's exactly the problem -- he was participating EARNESTLY. he actually tried to do well, and had the wherewithal to do well. he was, if you will, a republican lost in empire.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 12:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance
mircea_popescu: they don't earnestly try. that's the fucking point, when presented a paper car you don't ernestly try to drive it ; when presented a "social justice" truth / "Global warming" science etc religious nonsense you don't earnestly try to verify it. you're supposed to be excited and fucking clap, what the fuck, they're filming the advertising not asking you what you think.
mircea_popescu: what if girly in $advertising twiddled her nose and went "meh..." ?!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819451 << and if not, try antibiotics.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:17 phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819461 << hey, i know a place or two like that around cape cod! though they usually don't get wet.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:31 phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was thinking re detail of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819365 : theoretically a pure shitcoin<->btc transmutator, does not need gox in the loop, if shitcoin ~buyers~ could be persuaded to visit it and buy☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ideally interfaces with all the goxen.
mircea_popescu: this imo is involving the wrong end of the vagina.
asciilifeform: ( obvious problem -- the 'buyers' aint human, they consist solely of goxen, quite likely. still could outsource the chore of ferrying shitcoin to gox, and consider the two subsystems as independent )
mircea_popescu: most of the goxen have "api"s .
asciilifeform: they appear to. however they also insist on various idiocies, 'accounts', '2factor'-whatevers, various caltrops to attempt to prevent precisely such automation
asciilifeform: it can be worked around, but game is probably not worth the candles, considering what folx are typically willing to pay for transmuting shitcoin
mircea_popescu: note that i was talking to jurov. considering he's intelligent and seems maybe interested (hard to tell, he's so quiet), and considering he's not currently doing anything, the marginal cost in republican terms is 0.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: the marginal utility is not 0, ill throw some ex-coin in the hopper if it's made.
asciilifeform: i suspect the result will be interesting mostly as a 'journal of negative results' item. ( gox, for instance, can quietly swallow coin, once it cottons on to who's using api, and why . asciilifeform's acct, last time around, was -- interestingly -- closed by goxkeeper , tho a coupla days too late to have any effect )
mircea_popescu: ha.
asciilifeform: sorta was my point : it isn't that no one can build a convenient ( from user pov ) transmutation reactor ! it can be built. but operation will inevitably involve good deal of regular sweat from the operator, negating most of the automation.
asciilifeform: setting up nodes to actually do the deed of shitcoin removal and movement, for instance, is ( at least in asciilifeform's experience last summer ) a first class bitch
asciilifeform: ( the folx running the 'shitcoin is worth something' theatre, have substantial interest in nobody actually running nodes but themselves , etc , this prolly is obvious to the alert reader )
ben_vulpes: the electrum forks make it pretty simple in my experience.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: electrum is poison
asciilifeform: you are operating nodeless, in effect, when you use it as replacement for own node.
ben_vulpes: i'm not using it as a node, i'm using it as a scalpel to slice flesh off altcoiners
ben_vulpes: so what if it's rusty
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: same problem applies to using it to move shitcoins, as in bitcoin
asciilifeform: i.e. you are relying on somebody else's node .
asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
BingoBoingo: Expediancy
trinque: because it's an optimization problem with a disposable item as one of the terms
trinque: I guess asciilifeform never had the proverbial beater car
ben_vulpes: ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hey, at least documenting the lulz "everyone knows" where everyone takes value from the set of 5 folk who went to the same state street kindergarten we did...
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun think i've ever driven anything but 'beater car'
ben_vulpes: there are things for which i care about maintaining the tree of inputs that resulted in my balance, and there's ephemeral shit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819514 << because it isn't, lmao.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:50 asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
ben_vulpes: once it turns into a real item, aka bitcoin, i care. until then, nop
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i guess we can revisit this hypothesis when somebody asks your bot to transmute 100btc worth of shitcoin, and hostile upstream node bamboozles yer electrum into sending it to hitler.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, so you advertise a tx limit.
mircea_popescu: "nothing over 1 btc plox, we're using a friable stack"
mircea_popescu: and if it blows up, in lieu of the product you give the victims a signed full description of what happened.
asciilifeform: sorta like, you dun care necessarily if somebody steals a turd that a bird shat into your garden. but on other hand, if somali pirates steal a tanker of guano from your guano fleet...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would this bamboozling work, operator still supplies address to spend to
mircea_popescu: item is far, far from "no marginal utility", identified a bunch of significant valuable outputs from it.
ben_vulpes: afaik, the option to bamboozle is in withholding outputs or supplying synthetics
mircea_popescu: especially the 2nd order effect of "mandated post-mortems", none of that inept shit where freenode announces it was nsa infected, promises write-up, then forgets it did and replaces everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819515 << expedient, expediency.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:51 BingoBoingo: Expediancy
asciilifeform: lol re fleanode -- this was at least... 3rd time? ( and that's merely since asciilifeform tuned in )
mircea_popescu: i'm just talking about the one they themselves identified, 3 years ago or so.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-19#1410185 << they wiped the old articles, note this goes to root now☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-19 15:24 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i seem to recall electrum being one of those turds that ~nobody was able to get to even build, and ~all of the users used a binturd, which at least 1nce turned out to contain straight back orifice
mircea_popescu: this is correct.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's pill, of limiting payload mass per shot, is prolly The Right Thing ( tho keep in mind that, given the erratic block production of typical shitfork, it will make for a quite slow and volatile dumping )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#873009 << this item.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-14 17:07 asciilifeform: https://www.nccgroup.com/en/blog/2014/10/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807732
BingoBoingo: Slow and volatile dumping is desirable for damaging shitfork credibility
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-31#1000330 is gone etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-01-31 21:23 mircea_popescu: http://blog.freenode.net/2014/10/server-issues-update/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that , and last week's , and at least 1nce between the 2
mircea_popescu: anyway. rather than the transparent shenanigans, it is of greater concern that ~no one is on freenode. i mean, the fucktards in #lisp still, TO THIS DAY, haven't yet figured their way out of the paper bag of my asking "hey folk, would you like a candi_lustt ?".
mircea_popescu: there's 20k or whatever who connect, and 99% of the humans involved are on #trilema, it's ridiculous.
asciilifeform: ( and for some reason they announced it via spamatron ? or whole thing, disinfo? i've neither any idea, nor particularly care... http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-5-26#363971 )
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-26 18:13 Neru: Global Notice] Hello freenode, you may have noticed 2 days ago many users got logged out of their NickServ accounts. After our investigation, we have come to the conclusion one or more of our sponsored servers have been compromised. Please change your password IMMEDIATELY. More details are available in #freenode with the command !help
asciilifeform: ( consider, why in some chans but not other ? )
asciilifeform: https://freenode.net/news/services-maintenance-password-security << squidink in re last wk's lulz
mircea_popescu: i honestly can't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: we know it's a thoroughly despisable piece of shit.
asciilifeform: aha, pretty tedious
asciilifeform: 'Unfortunately, some people have used this opportunity to spread some misinformation, claiming that "all passwords have been released". This is not the case; there has been no threat to account security due to this incident. Additionally, we do not store passwords in a recoverable form at all.' << i've a bridge to sell.
mircea_popescu: whatevert.
mircea_popescu: the true part (there's no threat to account security) comes from the fact we don't even use their derpy scheme.
asciilifeform: iirc we still have a nonfatal headache potential baked in, if fleanode walks away somebody's nick
mircea_popescu: ~= banning neh ?
asciilifeform: ( or am i mistaken ? trinque , if can't use nick, can still auth with deedbot ? or not )
mircea_popescu: there's no "auth". there's just voice. and as douchebag aptly pointed out, if you change the name nothing happens.
mircea_popescu: so... we've actually designed around them. dun dun dun.
asciilifeform: ( then apparently trinque fixed this and asciilifeform slept through )
mircea_popescu: what was your idea of "auth" ?
asciilifeform: voice, i meant
mircea_popescu: it's how it always work.
mircea_popescu: we specifically took out the gribble "functionality" of "auth state" ; nanotube was to fix his bot to match but then opted to silently not to, ended up negrated for it.
asciilifeform: i thought he was negrated for desertion
BingoBoingo: It's a collection of related disfunctions
mircea_popescu: usually cancer presents as a ball of pasta.
trinque: deedbot doesn't require you be auth'd to nickserv, but does challenge you based on the nick with which you're speaking to it.
asciilifeform: aha, so not 100% cured , then ?
mircea_popescu: you have 30 seconds to do it.
asciilifeform: iirc if nick is proper-banned, you can't sit in it even for 30s
trinque: if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
mircea_popescu: which is why i said, ~= banning
mircea_popescu: trinque, eventually, the cost of inept hoops exceeds the cost of let's just move.
trinque: indeed
mircea_popescu: which is what's his interest in all this, i dunno why he recently figured out he wants a special irc network.
asciilifeform: lolrecently
trinque: asciilifeform: have you considered a decentralized design for an IRC replacement?
trinque ducks
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: trinque, the whole fucking idea is to replace it once and good, with gossipd.
mircea_popescu: wtf do i want to reimplement bs irc, end up with a dead genesis that we won't use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the issue isn't whether we should have proper rt comms ; the issue is why the fuck would i want an intermediate step here. i don't, it's a great way to waste manhours.
asciilifeform: generally you wouldn't
asciilifeform: however it is not necessarily the case that it'd be a total writeoff. a irc frontend for gossip station would ( iirc we discussed this ) not be useless, it would eliminate the chore of writing chat clients
asciilifeform: so potentially the genesis would not be junk, but could be productively reused.
asciilifeform: ( naturally you'd run the frontend on localhost strictly )
trinque: mircea_popescu: I was trolling alf here.
trinque: obviously I've been here for those threads.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a valid q imho, tho, whether an adatronic irc oughta be baked
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, only after cuntoo is properly made.
mircea_popescu: so far we're having some trouble getting the whole shebang to do eulora server, and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's a progression to things.
asciilifeform: hm i thought the eulora server was up and going ??
asciilifeform: ( or was mircea_popescu trying to put it on arm box , and waiting for arm gnat ? )
mircea_popescu: you were there for the threads, neh, diana_coman working with ave1 to get it going ?
asciilifeform: right; however i do not currently grasp where it fits in ( i delivered and gentooized a large amd64 box for s.mg; thought it was to be eulora server )
asciilifeform: incidentally i have ave1's latest tarball queued up for testing at nightfall.
mircea_popescu: nobody's saying we don't have the parts or that they can't be made or anything.
trinque has for example been chewing through everything that moved out from under his last cuntoo build script.
asciilifeform: trinque: moved out ?
trinque: debugging a busybox ebuild
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, shitgnomes in both the gentoo and musl-overlay portage trees continued their brownian motion and diana_coman for example couldn't build, one day
asciilifeform: aaaaaaa tarballs
trinque: not only, they delete ebuilds
asciilifeform: trinque: would there be value in offering my /usr/portage/distfiles as a mirror ?
trinque: so I wont be making a release until I again have a whole-item which builds, and then there'll be a genesis vpatch for the portage tree, and goodbye emerge --sync, and layman, and every other external political dependency
asciilifeform: ( on dulap, it's only 900MB, incidentally )
asciilifeform: and also incidentally, every rockchip box contains a complete /usr/portage/distfiles reflecting every single item present on that box ( as i emerged world prior to making master image )
trinque: there'll be a whole archeological process of making vpatches for useful ebuilds, but the initial item needs to be small as possible
trinque: and it'll still be a trb-sized genesis of a "found item"
asciilifeform: trinque: imho the rockchip set is your best bet then. it is as minimal as i knew how to make.
asciilifeform: ( keeping in mind that it includes no musltronicity patches )
trinque: I already have this minimal set, but thanks
asciilifeform: anyone who doesn't have it -- can extract it trivially from http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 ball
trinque: what moved is the constellations of musl and non-musl versions of ebuilds; gotta align the stars again, then take a picture
asciilifeform: ^ signed, observe, as 'found turd'
asciilifeform: ^ yes, there is a asciilifeform-signed curated gentoo set !
asciilifeform: there's nothing specifically arm-istic about it, either, same tarballs as used on x86 boxen
asciilifeform: the only variant src item is the kernel ( it has rockchip-specific modules )
asciilifeform: full src is in all of the rk boxen.
mircea_popescu: the concept of "political dependency" is actually a rather important one. it most valuably organizes the world.
mircea_popescu: there's meaning derived from meaning and then there's meaning derived from authority, and the shitgnomes trying to pretend equality only confuses matters.
asciilifeform: the set of 'meanings derived from meaning' accessible in practical work is quite small.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform works on expanding it, but it is a very painful uphill climb )
mircea_popescu: and yet the pretense is ~every fucking time~ that "science" and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: but obviously, one direct measure of "getting away from marxism-leninism" is "how much shit needs stalin notes".
asciilifeform: ahaha yes the 'science' where 'can haz rawdata.txt ?' 'fuckoff terrorist'
mircea_popescu: more in the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 vein of nonsense☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: "the world", don't you know. which world ? "oh, you know, the imaginary item we produced". what we ?
trinque: or the OS build process that says "first you go see usg.google.gentoo"
mircea_popescu: quite.
asciilifeform: trinque: dun forget to install the usg root certs!111111
asciilifeform: ( without which, lulzily, won't even see usg.google.* )
asciilifeform: upstack : congrats to BingoBoingo , subscriber of the last ( in pilot plant ) rockchip !!
asciilifeform: all 6 units currently occupied !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in recent lulz : asciilifeform ran into the d00d in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-start-your-own-country-adnotated/ , in meatspace
asciilifeform: turns out, he's burned out ex-physics , 1960s mit.
asciilifeform: 'quit , didn't want to be yet another grunt on yet another particle collider', went into ordinary engineering.
asciilifeform: d00d in his, iirc, 90s. so i ask him about ye olde 'sealand isp'. he waves hand, 'eh, was lame, they could do nothing serious because upstream net access was easily cut'
asciilifeform: then he conceded, more or less, that the whole 'micro-nations' crackpottery, was lame, for more or less the reasons described by mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: hey. nice to know.
asciilifeform: also revealed ( not in confidence, this was party with buncha folx ) that thiel ( apparently, friend of his ) is still pushing it, and is frustrated re 'lack of young people with any sense' , 0 takers to crew the lulztanker.
asciilifeform: thiel, apparently, built ( threatened to build? i dun follow the subj... ) a tanker, anchor somewhere, and play similar game to orig 'sealand' . what he lacks, however is the business model ( apparently sealand had a business model, and raked in some dough , briefly -- britain had no commercial radio, at one time, and sealand 'pirate' station accepted ads from brits , paid through proxies )
asciilifeform: ( cursory look at heathendom sources suggests that thiel's thing is finally, as of mar. 2018, properly dead and buried )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/kika/ << Trilema - Kika
jurov: mircea_popescu: yes I can do the exchange.
jurov: asciilifeform: i understand you like to blow your fuses over electrum, but I do *not* use electrum online, only the code.
asciilifeform: jurov: what means 'only the code' ?
jurov: I feed it inputs and keys manually via the console, then paste resulting shitcoin transaction somewhere. That's why I said it's somewhat slow.
asciilifeform: jurov: and how do you know what the transaction the closedblob output, is ? i.e. that it goes to the addr you gave (i.e. the gox's) rather than some other ?
jurov: i have read the code
asciilifeform: so jurov you actually got electrum to build ?
jurov: you mean the server? yes, some time ago
asciilifeform: i mean the item you mentioned above. that generates tx.
jurov: the client does it
asciilifeform: jurov please don't dance around my q, you know exactly what i'm asking
jurov: not at all
asciilifeform: are you or are you not using a binturd to generate shitcoin transactions.
jurov: which one?
asciilifeform: electrum.
jurov: electrum is python.
asciilifeform: and you read it ?
jurov: yes, submitted some patches
asciilifeform: ok, ty.
asciilifeform: jurov: plz consider posting a signed (with disclaimers, if you like) tarball ?
asciilifeform: of the thing that you read.
jurov: mkay
mircea_popescu: jurov, pretty cool, let me know when you want it tested
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, someone made a porny dune 1 ( http://gamcore.com/games/behind_the_dune )
Mocky: what's the story on source code editors on linux? "emacs or gtfo" ?
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's quite a few folx here who use non-emacs editors
Mocky would love to hear about them
trinque: douchebag uses Visual Studio (TM) on his MacBook Pro
Mocky: what do you use trinque? (imma guess emacs)
trinque: eh begrudgingly, as the most tunable pile of insane bullshit I can tolerate.
asciilifeform hasn't met many emacsists who say anything other than 'i use grudgingly'
mircea_popescu: i write most of my code in the terminal.
asciilifeform: emacs is a massively tall rock of local maximum surrounded by ocean of boiling liquishit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm almost surprised you dun write it with http://www.loper-os.org/pub/podvig_radista.jpg terminal.
Mocky: I used emacs for a while and didn't strictly hate it, although i did strictly hate elisp
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: I just ran across the c3 photos. But the date has me shook.
mod6: Was it really in 2015? Seems like it was longer ago than that.
asciilifeform: mod6: apr 2015
mod6: Ok, wow. Seems like a long time.
asciilifeform: possibly feels like this because, i suppose, different epoch.
asciilifeform: ( c2 feels, to asciilifeform , even 'longer ago', epochally -- even such a basic thing as trb, say, did not yet exist )
mircea_popescu: lot changed huh
asciilifeform: even v, started at end of aug of '15 -- months after c3
asciilifeform remembers finding it odd that kako did not appear at c3
asciilifeform: objectively odd, ye olde bbet was not only still in the saddle but riding at its peak...
mircea_popescu: outside of driving range tho
asciilifeform didnt drive there either, lol
mircea_popescu: myeah.
danielpbarron: Mocky, i use vim
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/muma-lui-stefan-cel-mare/ << Trilema - Muma lui Stefan cel Mare
Mocky: vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it
mircea_popescu: how did that go, "to obtain random strings on linux, give a windows person vim and ask them to exit"
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-27#1819254 << well, if you can find problems with my v implementation, i'd be grateful. any testing is appreciated, really☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-27 18:12 douchebag: esthlos: what do you need pentested?
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819437 << I documented most of what worked for me at http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ , and my portage settings are http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CY9Vy/?raw=true☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 05:56 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799701 << esthlos, how'd you resolve this? I'm having the same issue with mp-wp saying php is missing the mysql extension, despite having the mysql USE flag set when I emerged php5.6. Full details of my issue here: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zNr0A/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: esthlos: what'd you do for theming? i just took a look at "toolbox" at BingoBoingo's request, have you ever touched that?
lobbes: esthlos: ty. Also, I'm assuming this was on an amd64 and not an arm64 box?
esthlos: ben_vulpes: I took the default theme (Kubrick), ripped out most of the php, and tweaked the css. at some point I plan to go through https://codex.wordpress.org/Theme_Development and develop a proper theme, but I've placed it as low priority
esthlos: I also killed the part of wordpress which adds line breaks to raw html code, which I will make a vpatch for at some point
ben_vulpes: nifty
esthlos: oh and no, haven't looked at BingoBoingo 's thingy. I'll check it out
esthlos: lobbes: yeah, not arm. based on https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-lang/php the arm64 coverage looks bad
mod6: <+asciilifeform> possibly feels like this because, i suppose, different epoch. << true enough, Sir.
mod6: <+Mocky> vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it << Vi/M can have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it, it can ramp up your efficiency quite a bit imho. however, if you need something simple, there's always 'nano' or whatever.