asciilifeform: seems like a mighty flammable mix, to trust to a robot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, look into that nationalist-stalinist dood i fished out. now THAT is some primo extinct species. i had nfi such extreme rarities even existed, in my book the only nationalist-stalinists were stalin himself and ceausescu. not even broz tito. but lo and behold, a french-dwelling irishman!
asciilifeform: where he, e.g., : 'I am on welfare. I live at your expense, you pay taxes and I don't do a fucking thing. Twice a month I go to the clean, spacious welfare office at 1515 Broadway and receive my checks. I consider myself to be scum, the dregs of society, I have no shame or conscience, therefore my conscience doesn't bother me and I don't plan to look for work, I want to receive your money to the end of my days. And my name is Edichka
asciilifeform: 'You don't like me? You don't want to pay? It's precious little – $278 a month. You don't want to pay. Then why the fuck did you invite me, entice me here from Russia, along with a horde of Jews? Present your complaints to your own propaganda, it's too effective. That's what's emptying your pockets, not I.'
asciilifeform: 'Who was I over there? What's the difference, what would it change? I hate the past, as I always have, in the name of the present. Well, I was a poet, if you must know, a poet was I, an unofficial, underground poet. That's over forever, and now I am one of yours, I am scum, I'm the one to whom you feed shchi and rotten cheap California wine – $3.59 a gallon – and yet I scorn you. Not all of you, but many. Because you lead dull li
asciilifeform: ves, sell yourselves into the slavery of work, because of your vulgar plaid pants, because you make money and have never seen the world. You're shit!'
asciilifeform: enuff for the l0gz. who wants moar? go, read, weep.
mircea_popescu: the coupla hundred bucks is a problem in the feverish imaginations of campy characters scratching at the windows of the blackface performance.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: d00d eventually went back to ru, had a beer hall putsch of sorts, jailed, sat, wrote buncha lulz, 1000s of pg of lulz, got out, now fringe politics d00d who walks around with swastica-hammersickle hybrid thing, sums to -- afaik -- 0 )
mircea_popescu: well, "poet", whatever. sorta like going around saying you're a homemaker.
mircea_popescu: "we here in america, colony of europe, think 7th grade schooling is great accomplishment"
asciilifeform: 'Fuck your world where there's no place for me, I thought in despair. If I can't destroy it, at least I'll die a fine death in the attempt, along with others like me. I had no concrete image of how this would come about, but from past experience I knew that he who seeks fate is always provided an opportunity; I would not remain without one.'
mircea_popescu: in the end the summum of concerns boils down to "whose gray-on-white business card is better".
mod6: i remember the film. only watched it once though, probably around the time it came out.
mod6: indeed, guy was obsessed with which shade of white his business card was, or something :D
mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: (and obviously the choice will also be illusory, for the fundamental reason explained by qt in reservoir dogs : "if nobody knows anyone they're going to start arguing on scarce resource division ~AND NOT KNOW WHEN TO BACK DOWN~". nobody knows WHY they don't get to go to $exclusiverestaurant when they want to. nor can they know. so there's nothing to talk about.)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, imo american psycho should be watched in tandem with naked city. perfect america sandwich.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 01:46 mircea_popescu: well, his principal problem isn't even that ; but rather that there isn't ~anything fucking there~. he'd like to have some sort of relationship with someone, but the problem is that he does not actually encounter anyone capable of it.
phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ now has link to mod6 , danielpbarron , trinque , and BingoBoingo 's FG tests. if anyone else posted FG tester outputs and i missed -- please write in !
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I left a comment on yer guide re: php5.6 shitgnomes deprecating mysql in favor of mysqli. (Should be in queue). This will be a boon indeed if we can string all the quirks of mp-wp-on-rockchip in one place
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 12:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-29#1819414 << i could never understand the charges: i always thought that bateman was very earnestly participating in all the games, but it's the world around him that was completely devoid of substance
mircea_popescu: they don't earnestly try. that's the fucking point, when presented a paper car you don't ernestly try to drive it ; when presented a "social justice" truth / "Global warming" science etc religious nonsense you don't earnestly try to verify it. you're supposed to be excited and fucking clap, what the fuck, they're filming the advertising not asking you what you think.
mircea_popescu: what if girly in $advertising twiddled her nose and went "meh..." ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:17 phf: mod6: it's going alright. i have this general fatigue that i'm having hard time shaking off, but i'm going to go to the ocean on friday for a couple of days, which ought to fix me
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 13:31 phf: there's a kind of white trash beach resort area 2 hours driving from dc "ocean city". i've been going there with some friends first day of summer for the past few years for that kitsch americana experience: all you can eat crabs, dirty east coast ocean, trashy girls. perfect :)
asciilifeform: ( obvious problem -- the 'buyers' aint human, they consist solely of goxen, quite likely. still could outsource the chore of ferrying shitcoin to gox, and consider the two subsystems as independent )
asciilifeform: they appear to. however they also insist on various idiocies, 'accounts', '2factor'-whatevers, various caltrops to attempt to prevent precisely such automation
asciilifeform: it can be worked around, but game is probably not worth the candles, considering what folx are typically willing to pay for transmuting shitcoin
mircea_popescu: note that i was talking to jurov. considering he's intelligent and seems maybe interested (hard to tell, he's so quiet), and considering he's not currently doing anything, the marginal cost in republican terms is 0.
mircea_popescu: the marginal utility is not 0, ill throw some ex-coin in the hopper if it's made.
asciilifeform: i suspect the result will be interesting mostly as a 'journal of negative results' item. ( gox, for instance, can quietly swallow coin, once it cottons on to who's using api, and why . asciilifeform's acct, last time around, was -- interestingly -- closed by goxkeeper , tho a coupla days too late to have any effect )
asciilifeform: sorta was my point : it isn't that no one can build a convenient ( from user pov ) transmutation reactor ! it can be built. but operation will inevitably involve good deal of regular sweat from the operator, negating most of the automation.
asciilifeform: setting up nodes to actually do the deed of shitcoin removal and movement, for instance, is ( at least in asciilifeform's experience last summer ) a first class bitch
asciilifeform: ( the folx running the 'shitcoin is worth something' theatre, have substantial interest in nobody actually running nodes but themselves , etc , this prolly is obvious to the alert reader )
ben_vulpes: the electrum forks make it pretty simple in my experience.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-29 16:50 asciilifeform: if you wouldn't move own bitcoin this way, why wouldja move own shitcoin (worth, nominally, a qty of bitcoin) with it.
ben_vulpes: once it turns into a real item, aka bitcoin, i care. until then, nop
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i guess we can revisit this hypothesis when somebody asks your bot to transmute 100btc worth of shitcoin, and hostile upstream node bamboozles yer electrum into sending it to hitler.
mircea_popescu: "nothing over 1 btc plox, we're using a friable stack"
mircea_popescu: and if it blows up, in lieu of the product you give the victims a signed full description of what happened.
asciilifeform: sorta like, you dun care necessarily if somebody steals a turd that a bird shat into your garden. but on other hand, if somali pirates steal a tanker of guano from your guano fleet...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how would this bamboozling work, operator still supplies address to spend to
mircea_popescu: item is far, far from "no marginal utility", identified a bunch of significant valuable outputs from it.
ben_vulpes: afaik, the option to bamboozle is in withholding outputs or supplying synthetics
mircea_popescu: especially the 2nd order effect of "mandated post-mortems", none of that inept shit where freenode announces it was nsa infected, promises write-up, then forgets it did and replaces everyone involved.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-19 15:24 mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> so now with https://blog.freenode.net/2016/02/recent-events-and-future-changes/ it is probably a good time to point out that i've been trying to get you people a server for maybe three years now. are you still unable to be helped or has that bad habit of the past changed also ? kloeri ? mist ? or who do i talk to.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i seem to recall electrum being one of those turds that ~nobody was able to get to even build, and ~all of the users used a binturd, which at least 1nce turned out to contain straight back orifice
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's pill, of limiting payload mass per shot, is prolly The Right Thing ( tho keep in mind that, given the erratic block production of typical shitfork, it will make for a quite slow and volatile dumping )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that , and last week's , and at least 1nce between the 2
mircea_popescu: anyway. rather than the transparent shenanigans, it is of greater concern that ~no one is on freenode. i mean, the fucktards in #lisp still, TO THIS DAY, haven't yet figured their way out of the paper bag of my asking "hey folk, would you like a candi_lustt ?".
mircea_popescu: there's 20k or whatever who connect, and 99% of the humans involved are on #trilema, it's ridiculous.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-05-26 18:13 Neru: Global Notice] Hello freenode, you may have noticed 2 days ago many users got logged out of their NickServ accounts. After our investigation, we have come to the conclusion one or more of our sponsored servers have been compromised. Please change your password IMMEDIATELY. More details are available in #freenode with the command !help
asciilifeform: 'Unfortunately, some people have used this opportunity to spread some misinformation, claiming that "all passwords have been released". This is not the case; there has been no threat to account security due to this incident. Additionally, we do not store passwords in a recoverable form at all.' << i've a bridge to sell.
asciilifeform: iirc if nick is proper-banned, you can't sit in it even for 30s
trinque: if the circumstance arose where somebody lifted "asciilifeform" I wouldn't be opposed to changing the alias string for same key to "alfredalfer" as I've handled expired keys in the past, by proving control of key to me
asciilifeform: however it is not necessarily the case that it'd be a total writeoff. a irc frontend for gossip station would ( iirc we discussed this ) not be useless, it would eliminate the chore of writing chat clients
asciilifeform: so potentially the genesis would not be junk, but could be productively reused.
asciilifeform: ( naturally you'd run the frontend on localhost strictly )
asciilifeform: trinque: would there be value in offering my /usr/portage/distfiles as a mirror ?
trinque: so I wont be making a release until I again have a whole-item which builds, and then there'll be a genesis vpatch for the portage tree, and goodbye emerge --sync, and layman, and every other external political dependency
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: "the world", don't you know. which world ? "oh, you know, the imaginary item we produced". what we ?
trinque: or the OS build process that says "first you go see usg.google.gentoo"
asciilifeform: also revealed ( not in confidence, this was party with buncha folx ) that thiel ( apparently, friend of his ) is still pushing it, and is frustrated re 'lack of young people with any sense' , 0 takers to crew the lulztanker.
asciilifeform: thiel, apparently, built ( threatened to build? i dun follow the subj... ) a tanker, anchor somewhere, and play similar game to orig 'sealand' . what he lacks, however is the business model ( apparently sealand had a business model, and raked in some dough , briefly -- britain had no commercial radio, at one time, and sealand 'pirate' station accepted ads from brits , paid through proxies )
asciilifeform: ( cursory look at heathendom sources suggests that thiel's thing is finally, as of mar. 2018, properly dead and buried )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> possibly feels like this because, i suppose, different epoch. << true enough, Sir.
mod6: <+Mocky> vim, I could never get used to having modes. didn't feel right. but I know a lot of people like it << Vi/M can have a steep learning curve, but once you're good at it, it can ramp up your efficiency quite a bit imho. however, if you need something simple, there's always 'nano' or whatever.