mircea_popescu: in other subtle perfections, the dude who supervised installing my ac arranged for the condensation drip to go straight into my lovage bush
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, haha thanks & maybe he should get his own post, spread the word on lovage
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-18 23:05:37 asciilifeform: in other lulzy orc tech:
that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
mircea_popescu: not in ac (really useless for ac with modern tech), but for... polyurethane blowout
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 10:22:53 mircea_popescu: if you'd be interested in helping out on that front, it'll prolly be best if you actually get involved in the partnership outright. none of this "fix the website copy" "helping", erryone wants to do the "helping" of employees whereas republic needs independent men not wage slave wannabe's.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 10:31:24 mircea_popescu: there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?
trinque: have awstats on the site or anything?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-24 12:01:18 asciilifeform: and atm 'back to chalkboard' re how to answer it
trinque: I mean, my inner emulated asciilifeform says there's no such thing as isolated sessions on shared hardware
trinque: moreover are there enough customers that care?
trinque: could just use the linux "namespaces" thing
trinque: just depends on where you want the bar
trinque: no real proposal here other than to do what others do.
trinque: that doesn't help you differentiate much.
trinque: ever considered offering specific services rather than commodity server boxen?
trinque: my dear old dad never once asked me whether he needed a server, but he has asked me whether he should have a VPN
trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
trinque: laughed my ass off when he asked me whether some shitcoin was any good. at least he asks!
trinque: I'm curious whether there's a market for the VPN item. gets the republican network layer paid for, if so.
trinque: you should build for from whom you wish to take money, not yourself
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:57:09 trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
trinque: current limiter is the lack of fat pipe, eh?
trinque: this is possible. I'll think on it more.
trinque: going to turn in for now, night.
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ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
ave1_away: No, unfortunately not on this trip. Ukrainian part is big enogh for now
ave1_away: I'm thinking of going here by car next year, wich would make us a lot more flexible
ave1_away: Or see about renting something big, the way these orcs drive
diana_coman: ave1_away: taxis shouldn't be all that expensive either
ave1_away: My days this week will be very much; get up / shower, enjoy big breakfast, enjoy long walk in the mountains, swimming, nice meal from wood fire, get to bed and fall asleep immediately
ave1_away: even with all the walking, I'm fattening up nicely
ave1_away: taxis are not expensive at all, but I did not yet find one I would trust to drive me more than 100km
diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
diana_coman: strictly on the face of it, you'd just move by 100km per taxi then, lol.
ave1_away: well, drive locally where they know their way vs drive further, 100km simply magical cutt-off in my brain
ave1_away: most taxis here, cars from early nighties, non working suspension, no belts etc.
ave1_away: Currenlty we've been using the train for long distance
diana_coman: heh, comes with nice meal from wood fire (and the smoke too, came instantly to mind )
ave1_away: yes, train definitely sovjet experience
ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
ave1_away: The build script will then be based on this genesis
diana_coman: sounds clear and a firm starting point to work from at least
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ave1_away: somehow, I was think that I should genesis the build script first
ave1_away: and then have diffs of patch files
diana_coman: ave1_away: well, the build script requires all sorts so it makes sense to have as genesis a complete starting point if possible
ave1_away: but then, while walking I thought, no, it needs to be the other way around
ave1_away: first genesis all the parts, next build scripts (if at all needed by then)
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snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:45:07 trinque: moreover are there enough customers that care?
mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
mircea_popescu: re awstats : there's no rule you gotta run it on the machine i nquestion. awstats will process ~any~ log in most standard formats, can just have an awstats box.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:50:19 asciilifeform: atm bar is set scandalously low. pretty much anyone can format hdd (or subtler vandalism) of a shared linux box he has any form of acct on, with week or 2 of effort.
mircea_popescu is rater on alf's side re vpn product notion ; though this may be borne of ignorance, i don't think i ever bought one.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:18:11 asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
mircea_popescu: (yes, believe it or not, i ran a "all films reviewed on trilema" server for like... a year. to see if anything interesting happens. major pipe and everything, came to high four figures all told, mostly hardware, soem sweat to get it up.
mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
mircea_popescu: it was, i guess, sorta pleasant to see the thing keep the pipe full at all times, 100s of conns, if you do the math that's 4232690270208000 bytes' worth of good films i contributed to the ethers.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 02:45:24 ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
mircea_popescu: oh. keks, we missed each other in ukrlands. how didja like kiev ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:01:02 diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-27 12:51:02 mp_en_viaje: as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 09:53:42 trinque: on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
mircea_popescu: there's no specific rule that documentation must be limited to success.
mircea_popescu: that's the logic : if it's worth doing, it's worth doing human-ly, which is to say reviewably ; and since one can't claim entire classes of fundamentals aren't wroth doing, the absence of X or Y topic is significant of weakness.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
spyked: IMHO examination of failure also counts as "interesting"; mircea_popescu has plenty examples of that on trilema
mircea_popescu: yes, it is true, illo tempore, in ages long past, with
expensive paper process, this was a useful approach. but today, it is counter-productive.
mircea_popescu: spyked, it's just the secular, momentuous change of detaching documentation from success and attaching it to activitry plain and simple that's the major significance of current it.
spyked: mircea_popescu, agreed. it's also what newton et al. used as a method and what academia could (I guess) have been if it hadn't devolved into the current shitshow.
mircea_popescu: but yes, historically, this was the longest held and dearest desire of all thinking men buried before we came :
mircea_popescu: that they might have ink and paper to write their things down
mircea_popescu: it's the pinnacle of stupid to go "now that we do, we dun wanna".
mircea_popescu: if every wanna-be corp out there actually followed their model, shit would actually work!
trinque: and I'm using a namesilo too per your recommendation, great service!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:31:06 mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:10:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:22:04 mircea_popescu: npow, we do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that it is ; which is how you end up with entire swathes of maculature (usg "scientific research" or "news media" as prime examples) rejected out of hand.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is true, signatures seem to be more than "lack of time" though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mentioned recently, now writes stultifying government copy re "immigrants" at la times.
diana_coman: well yes, that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of the queue while at the same time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
diana_coman: to link it also to earlier trinque's thread "nobody reads"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:38:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo when you wake up -- do we have site stats ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving the examples aside a bit, it seems to me that there is currently a lack of incentive to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??) than a gain;
diana_coman: other people's signatures are good and wanted but that's about as much as it seems to go so far.
mircea_popescu: but that's the fucking gain. "o look, i made a mistake".
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I should have said: what if I get negrated for having signed it while it still contains a mistake/something I overlooked; basically a too-perfect-vision of it or how to put it
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyoen's getting negrated for being imperfect.
BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
mircea_popescu: so far the bar seems more in the vein of the exact opposite, "seeking to hide imperfection"
diana_coman: but it's a more difficult thing to catch as it were: as above, it's unclear if "no signature" is a sign of "seeking to hide imperfection" or of "no read" or wtf already
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
trinque: you're again describing products you would use
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
trinque: there are not enough yous to fill a bowling hall
mircea_popescu: actually, it's not altogether clear there is another one.
trinque: there's a thread right this moment on one of the heathen pits on which vpn should I use
trinque: as for the "checks from washington" I think you bring your soviet experience into these things without first going and looking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the part you're missing is that the entire array is not made out of the one-worst-apple
trinque: I'm criticizing the approach.
trinque: not telling you where to source.
mircea_popescu: most people buying a vpn spent 5-10 bucks a month on 12 cents or so worth of usage
trinque: I'm not trying to insult you, but this is exactly the "and anyway if I did" loop.
trinque: most likely is, because satan has control of all vessels of darkness
mircea_popescu: you're allowing yourself to be misdirected. just get the peopel looking for the item called "vpn" in empire universe on a rk or w/e the actual item is
trinque: and control w/e fraction of the pipe they get to use
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:05:14 asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
mircea_popescu: just because they call it x in their fantasyworld has ~little bearing.
trinque: no, there is no market of you
trinque: this would make me sad if I felt like being sad, and I don't.
mircea_popescu: basically alf is willing to do anything whatsoever but sell.
trinque: you really need to hang out with some early 20s kids.
trinque: if it isn't a red dot they tap and that's it, they're not doing it. and you have nobody else to farm.
mircea_popescu: not "what you'd do in their place", not "what's good for them", "logical" or otherwise.
trinque: the "it'll all be pedo traffic" is the other end of the "my precious children, can't let 'em bike down the street"
trinque: there are statistically no pedos
mircea_popescu: it is quite unlikely anything like the usg socio-politico-legalo-wankist notion of "pedophile" exists in reality, yes.
mircea_popescu: then again black dudes regularly come out ~average wrt penis sizes, seems to do nothing for the meme.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone came even vaguely remotely close to anything like that, danielpbarron got his walking papers and the problem went away the same day.
mircea_popescu: why do you stubornly refuse to see, internalize and use the working process, notwithstanding it was both explained and displayed for your examination
mircea_popescu: and isntead sit there and wank idiotically about what is little mroe than "what i read in playboy letters".
trinque: if I can go briefly upstack, the proposal from me is to try things. vpn is just the first thing that came to mind.
mircea_popescu: in the EXTREMELY unlikely case you actually get a user you don't want, can just rate and move on.
trinque: if it's proved there's no market there, great, then you iterate moar
mircea_popescu: but this'd be a marked improvement over the stiuation where you got no user at all.
trinque: average derp has no idea what a box is, let alone what to do with it
trinque: but average derp can install a vpn client by clicking on something.
mircea_popescu: ONLY thing is, gotta talk to people. and tell them "here, is a thing, USE IT!".
mircea_popescu: nobody handles email by hand anymore, wtf, everyone is on google. if some douche wants you to install smtp on the shared server you just frown.
trinque: the kids don't even torrent anymore
trinque: they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e
mircea_popescu: this is kinda the bw-intensive use, and obv uy is no good for this
trinque: asciilifeform: I want to have a discussion that takes longer than the enumeration of your preconceptions.
trinque: the lulzy thing is your contempt for the lulcow could be reoriented *around* the milking, instead of lactose-intolerance
trinque: I dunno man, that metaphor went way off the rails
trinque: he doesn't want to talk to the stinky poor
trinque: trying the vpn thing is cheap, could be done easily while you still have coffers to try something else
trinque: I am not prescribing implementation.
trinque: maybe you, the operator of the service, do know what happens on it. maybe your covenant is to *not* share pipes with pedobearpig. it's all about muh datas and muh privacies, you see.
trinque: on that subj, going to sit down and write for a bit
BingoBoingo: <trinque> they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e << More to the point they want to watch US HBO/Netflix/etc from wherever rather than the local mirrors on their own ISP's network