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BingoBoingo: Also after contract is deturded, sometime today a post reflecting on dos meses.
mp_en_viaje: give me back my fuckingreal mode dos.
trinque: ./main.cpp: return DoS(10, error("CTransaction::CheckTransaction() : vin empty"));
lobbes: Was only there where I actually took apart old 90's machines, saw and held motherboards, connected power supplied, and interfaced with DOS. if only for a short time.
asciilifeform: fwiw dos boots even on some current iron
asciilifeform: speaking of which, asciilifeform just uncrated a 'omnibook 800' , prolly the spiffiest dos portable ever made
asciilifeform happened across the site when researching vintage components for a dos box that he was building.
asciilifeform: i could prolly spend rest of life fighting with the font config and still not get anything as comfortable as dos font.
BigTexasBingo: Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end.
mircea_popescu: back in dos days was even pentix, if you recall, and then that arbitrary tetris generator in space, you saw it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, there's a few of them scattered around my Barrio, but few and usually at least dos quadras off la avenida 26 de de Marzo
mircea_popescu: !~google chuckie egg dos game
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Alley Cat - DOS Nostalgia #1 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQyAngaNVx5Q>; Alley Cat (video game ) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_Cat_(video_game)>; Download Alley Cat | DOS Games Archive: <http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/alley-cat/>
mircea_popescu: !~google cat dos game
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMgDJ6EH-CBI>; Download Crime Wave | Abandonia: <http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/535/Crime%2BWave.html>; Crime Wave | ClassicReload.com: <https://classicreload.com/crime-wave.html>
mircea_popescu: !~google crime wave dos game
asciilifeform: 'Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper es capitán de la Armada norteamericana, ingeniero, y por dos veces parte de la tripulación de misiones del Shuttle. Pero Heidemarie no es famosa por poseer este impresionante currículo. Lo es por haber perdido una bolsa de herramientas en la misión STS-126 y por haberse desmayado dos veces en la rueda de prensa que dio la tripulación del STS-115 (su primera misión) nada más aterrizar.'
shinohai: How to DoS Ethereum, part iv http://archive.is/Y9u1o
asciilifeform: ( in re cp/m vs dos )
mircea_popescu: but still. at least cp/m had a rivalry with dos vaguely reminescent of linux/windoze thing
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 10:09 mircea_popescu: ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro).
mircea_popescu: ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro). ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'I am utterly frustrated with the software I have to deal with. Windows is beyond comprehension! UNIX is no better. DOS is no better. There is no reason for an OS. It is a non-thing. Maybe it was needed at one time.' etc.
mircea_popescu: aand in the same vein : http://www.ada-programming.info/ASM_86_file_for_use_with_GNAT_for_MS_DOS_jQxM.html
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the ms-dos gnat compiler ? also gcc ?
asciilifeform: i want a functioning scriptron on, e.g., my dos box.
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737542 << that's just DoS. but, if you have computational capacity, you check the padding. may also require that it's signed with my key, with the pubexp attached if you don't know it. Thus, the modulus is in principle sufficient to _initiate_ the converstaion ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i full on suspect 50% or more of all the "work" engaged in at the offices of the various silicon-valley "building the future" "entrepreneurial" pieces of shit consists on repeatedly clicking "try again" on those old dos "general failure" error prompts.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 03:56 davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o hey, check that out! this was actual RST injection : my box received a rst "from" peer (185.30.166.38) whereas that peer simply saw me drop. in other words, the above conn loss was factually third party DoS.
asciilifeform: http://old.memo.ru/memory/spiski.htm << the most liberally snarfing 'list of repressed' derps, funded by usg dos, sum up to 3mil.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i have same brand ~pata~ ssd in an ancient dos lappy. not dead yet...
asciilifeform: dos box cum laser is still imho 'state of art' re airgaptrons.
asciilifeform: 'A break from my usual exotic, esoteric, rare and high-end vintage computers- I built a 486DX2 66mhz DOS shitbox for reliving my childhood.' ( from his twatter ) << lulzily, i did this recently..
BingoBoingo: ^ Dos historias, un titulo
asciilifeform: revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689019 : 'XAKEP' mag stands head and shoulders above 'mondo' et al rubbish : it may be lame, but (most of) the things it describes ACTUALLY EXISTED, long-forgotten dos games, vapourware, electric schemes for 'detect ufo' that would at least detect passing truck certainly, tv jammer would in fact jam tv. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 17:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685367 and also, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.0-149.273
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-17#1685367 and also, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.0-149.273 ☝︎☟︎
mod6: And I only use the word "obligation" as this is the language of the taxation outline within the DoS.
trinque: I'm curious about asciilifeform's 64bit DOS as a network-edge device.
asciilifeform: mod6: further re '64-bit dos' : i increasingly also like the idea of os that has 0 kernel activity other than when invoked. and in general, 0 background activity other than user-specified; and no more threads than cpus.
Framedragger: and if the main work is in checking signature, how does a "could not have practically come into existence before you broadcast S" help with regards to DoS?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah lighthouse discussion does complicate matters, the fact of the matter is, it's the only current (written) alternative to DoS-prone traditional challenge-response (A asks B to plz send challenge, A then response to B with that challenge), within gossipd universe
Framedragger: yeah, so this avoid replay but also sets a limit to how much DoS exposure you have (one of the limits, at least)
Framedragger: i believe this relates to asciilifeform's "traditional challenge-response creates DoS vector". so with a lighthouse auth string, one more important point is that a particular auth string cannot be reused.
Framedragger: so there's no way to DoS peer B with "hi plox to send me an auth string, i'm totally legit non sybil node"
Framedragger: tl;dr asciilifeform described a way for peer A to provide a challenge-response to peer B in a way which would not require any communication from B, hence not creating a DoS vector
Framedragger: (i know it's a hella lot of comments under the newer article but iirc his "DoS magnet!!" points are addressed there)
Framedragger: afaict gossipd model assumes that some rsa keys had been exchanged out-of-band. traditional challenge-response has been constantly critiqued by asciilifeform via "it's a DoS vector" argument (sorry if too curt, am in bed)
asciilifeform: ( https://lleo.me/pesni/text/dos.shtml << full text. )
asciilifeform: '... И представил я: / Город наводнился вдруг разумными людьми: / Вышли все под DOS,...'
mircea_popescu: today's dos discussion is entirely unrelated to this.
phillipsjk: Your solution in the logs is to replace unix with DOS to avoid that problem.
mircea_popescu: historical dos is only a very general design model
ben_vulpes: but proposed is not to exhume dos but run an ada os thinger?
mod6: yeah. back to dos-like sys
mircea_popescu: there's no absolute reason most of the dos thing can;t actually be lisp
mircea_popescu: in general, seems dos model is the winner. i dunno wtf unix is even supposed to be, honestly.
asciilifeform: e.g. i fully intend a dos port of 'p'.
asciilifeform: dos per se is crippling in re sticking you into 16bit x86 idiot mode
trinque: ada sits down happily on DOS eh?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:27 mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband. ☟︎
asciilifeform: FG transmits at 115200,1,noparity, and this is readily verifiable by anyone with an oscilloscope and eyes, or with linux box, or dos box. i will not be taking responsibility for every broken os on the planet.
mircea_popescu: my most frustrating experience in this vein was back in dos dies, one of those maxtor 40mb, dick-tall drives. which i thought properly immortal, at the time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that 100 lines in 5 minute can count as a dos
asciilifeform: prior to it , i had a massive parallel port thing that needed two dozen jumpers moved when you changed chip types, and only really worked well from an emulated dos session.
mircea_popescu: see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299
shinohai: The only person I have ever met that hated Argentines more than mircea_popescu was this girl I dated from Chile .... but evidently there is this long-standing hatred between the dos paises.
asciilifeform: (ssd pata disks work fine in dos boxes, etc)
phf: i briefly used emacs and clisp in dos. as poor man lisp machine as it gets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dos wasn't altogether shell-less though. about par with ash or w/e they had at the time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were many decent clones of the dos nc : e.g., 'volkov commander'
asciilifeform: the original dos was not created by microshit.
mircea_popescu: and the original dos.
asciilifeform: the folx who could -- any day of the week -- give the order to have all 'migrants' met with flamethrowers - answer to exactly usg dos sewing circle
a111: Logged on 2017-02-26 19:26 mircea_popescu: now then : a fix for the db would significantly improve a few classes of block verification delays ; and it would alleviate blackhole-like behaviour due to that, node's frozen checking a new block. there's at least 3 different dos vectors for other nodes, and a) the foregoing wouldn't help ; b) if it helped the enemy could easily upregulate the crapflood to compensate.
mircea_popescu: now then : a fix for the db would significantly improve a few classes of block verification delays ; and it would alleviate blackhole-like behaviour due to that, node's frozen checking a new block. there's at least 3 different dos vectors for other nodes, and a) the foregoing wouldn't help ; b) if it helped the enemy could easily upregulate the crapflood to compensate. ☟︎
phf: i think there was this famous doom-like, that came out before doom, but otherwise it seems like all were either ports from dos, or else ported to dos
phf: so you missed out on "10000 best games!! (for DOS)" cds too
mircea_popescu: there's very little threat to greek national identity the dos can mount
mircea_popescu: anyway, re qc, bonus lulz for the huy-guy : so the chinese are trying to do it over satellites, because currently it's been demonstrated over much shorter distances. and the dod bright lightbulb (seriously, he is probably the smartest guy there, seeing how he has a blog) went "oh, this would allow safe key transfer, well tell you what, the army could DoS the system!"
asciilifeform: was silently fixed in the upstream git.. The analysis says that is a "possible DoS", but its a local root exploit...'
mircea_popescu: basically the us army is a ridiculous menagerie. AND the whole fucking point, from the pov of the obama DoS, is exactly that it not only stay that way, but never again become an actual army.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "leverage ecosystem" ie, "someone else will do our work for us" is very much usg.dos style, but also very much hopeless. seriously, they'll leverage ?
asciilifeform: 'We can leverage the rapidly-growing crate ecosystem. We can drop support legacy compilers and platforms (looking at you, MS-DOS).'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604368 << "gender" has no bearing on the "indentity politics" construction of "gender". what mattered was that private bradley edward manning was with the usg.dos and against the usg.dod. as it doesn't look likely usg.dos will even survive the trump terms, let alone ever again come to preminence, they'll do anything. ☝︎
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599658 <<< so basically any fucktard who can mine a block can DoS TRB into oblivion ☝︎
davout: asciilifeform: seems to me any incoming transaction that you verify could DoS you
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 14:32 Framedragger: (do note, 'work_mem' is per user / per request. so may be easier to DoS. thought i should mention this for completeness)
Framedragger: (do note, 'work_mem' is per user / per request. so may be easier to DoS. thought i should mention this for completeness) ☟︎
asciilifeform: type3 (this taxonomy is strictly from asciilifeform's notes, and is no canonical animal of any kind) is the 'thinking man's shitflood', where requested inventory is not a DOS by virtue of ~quantity~, but ~quality~ (flood of questionable but not immediately/cheaply rejectable material)
asciilifeform: 'The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.'
asciilifeform: this is why folx buy 4:3 displays for their dos rooms
Framedragger: as long as the 'check hash' operation is quick enough, otherwise DoS magnet (that's a very alf'y comment i guess)
mircea_popescu: dos really but yea
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, hm. i've seen more than one instance on that. i see what you mean. it was basically a case of, from what i gathered, "data sent; waiting for response; not a single byte sent back by server". either because server wasn't http, or some "hang forever, fucker" anti-DoS measure..
mircea_popescu: "this cpu could do anything" "i don't see your sql server doing any dos emulation work" "nigga... wut ?!"