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asciilifeform: as i understand, this doesn't test entropy
asciilifeform: but rather tests a proposed test of entropy.
mircea_popescu: well yes,.
asciilifeform: we ain't got any tests in FG, other than 'von neumann filter has not emitted 8 bits in past 0.5msec -- lamp is red'
asciilifeform: ( how the constant here follows from the circuit -- is an exercise for the reader )
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Escriba?
shinohai: I'm in a state of temporary retirement until market conditions improve.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as a practical matter. i was just discussing the "must have buffer" theoretical point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for just about any statistical test ( other than von neumann in/out proportion ) you need a buffer.
asciilifeform: even ~counting to 100 per se~ needs 7+ bits...
mircea_popescu: now this is interesting. there is no... state machine entropy tester ? ynot!
asciilifeform: well they're all statemachines
asciilifeform: q is , how bit
asciilifeform: *big
asciilifeform: von neumann's is the smallest that's worth anything
mircea_popescu: i suppose the state goes in what's a buffer.
asciilifeform: a 'value of pi' needs a couplea dozen bits, at least
asciilifeform: you can devise others, in principle, that use however many bits of flipflop you got to work with.
asciilifeform: i deliberately wrote FG for the smallest commercially available cpld that would hold vonneumann + uart
asciilifeform: initially targeted the '9532' but it dun even fit the uart. so it had to be the next size up.
asciilifeform: we use 63 of the 64 available LUTs.
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: ( it is normally ~impossible to actually use whole thing, because of routing constraints )
mircea_popescu: somehow the dorks going on "nsa running out of moneyz!" never seem to notice such points in their expert analyseses. "dude, corp that can stuff the cpld like that will NEVER run out of anything."
asciilifeform: !~google krakevisa
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Krakevisa | The Elder Scrolls Mods Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia: <http://tes-mods.wikia.com/wiki/Krakevisa>; Kråkevisa - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kr%25C3%25A5kevisa>; Leaves Eyes - Krakevisa - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DO7Eu7DX1s2c>
asciilifeform: grr
asciilifeform: well, 2nd link. but really you want the text, of this old folk song.
asciilifeform: (unless you speak .no)
asciilifeform: '... and the man who cannot use a crow like this, does not deserve to find one'
mircea_popescu: haha ayep
asciilifeform: http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=512 << heeeere we go.
asciilifeform: full text, with englischization
asciilifeform: ( well-known crackpot chix's www btw )
mircea_popescu: is this a reference to the "lady of pain" ruler of sigil ?
asciilifeform: deeply nfi
mircea_popescu: and in other competencies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/342d94f3bf432444b840ab02029fa4dd/tumblr_onp3juIQNh1uormd9o1_400.gif
asciilifeform: 9536 not 32 lol
asciilifeform: and 71 of 72, not 63/64 lol
asciilifeform: ftr!
asciilifeform: oooh upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-11#1681525 >> '-gnatD' gives MUCH moar readable per-file ast☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 19:15 asciilifeform: in other 'news', '-gnatG' flag is very very spiffy
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : http://docs.adacore.com/gnathie_ug-docs/html/gnathie_ug/gnathie_ug.html is useful
asciilifeform: sect. 3 in particular.
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions.
asciilifeform: interestingly this gives ~0 performance boost. gcc optimizer, turns out, is notbad.jpg.
asciilifeform: ( 'but there was a protected type!' alert reader will ask. the pill is the obvious one, i will reveal it later. )
mod6: nice!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> oooh upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-11#1681525 >> '-gnatD' gives MUCH moar readable per-file ast << ah werd.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 19:15 asciilifeform: in other 'news', '-gnatG' flag is very very spiffy
mod6: yah, seems to output .dg files for each
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, it occurs to me : it might be a good idea for the foundation to have some kind of policy whereby people interested can donate servers ? exactly like freenode, in theory, except they fuck it up so uttertly in practice it's not even funny.
mircea_popescu: but their being retarded doesn't mean we can't do it right.
mod6: Ok, that'd be nice; especially if we can audit the hardware somehow.
mod6: (fwiw, I have no clue how freenode does this either)
mircea_popescu: they only get nsa-approved diddleware from privateinternetaccess.com
mircea_popescu: dba variously as usg's very own honeypot for cypher-dorks.
mod6: It could be something along the lines of how I've envisioned the foundation mirrors. someone in L1 can start their own after a discussion with either of us. could be similar maybe.
mod6: They, of course, need to be in good WoT standing, etc.
mircea_popescu: ideally it could take anonymous donations.
mod6: Perhaps for test hardware if they were in very good trust standing, they could send us keys to a host we could use. Not sure otherwise how we would receive such hardware.
mod6: As far as production hardware, not sure how we could vet such an environment. But maybe I can just think on this a bit.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't have an obvious pill either. but for instance for running nodes ? what do you care if it's evil. doesn't pay to evil.
trinque: as it stands I'm already the host for the trb deps.
trinque: gladly, can call it a donation to the foundation for sure.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dba variously as usg's very own honeypot for cypher-dorks. << AHA, dedicated Thermos sodomizer
mod6: mircea_popescu: aha, i see.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681720 << unfortunately-- wrong; sure does pay. hence the few thou. sybils currently masquerading as btc nodes☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 02:41 mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't have an obvious pill either. but for instance for running nodes ? what do you care if it's evil. doesn't pay to evil.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a poor indicator. ~nothing the usg does pays.
mircea_popescu: but yes, idiots with daddy's money can do stupid shit thart doesn't even pay.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681717 is how you get http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681713 , every time☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 02:36 mircea_popescu: ideally it could take anonymous donations.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 02:34 mircea_popescu: they only get nsa-approved diddleware from privateinternetaccess.com
mircea_popescu: sooner or later the republic will run hardware that nobody can identify the owner of.
asciilifeform: hey this worx great so long as the secrecy of the contents, or the reliability of the computation, dun matter at all
mod6: Perhaps, something could be devised, but it'd be a bit complex. As such, someone could "donate a node" in lieu or some credit to their yearly taxation obligations, and to receive such credit we would need to have some basic requirements met. 1) The node is running trb. 2) It is "caught up". 3) Is available and connected for >95% of the time. 4) Can be independently checked/verified that it is up by some sor
asciilifeform: ( even to the extent of whether it happens )
mod6: t of bot that we have to keep track of such things.
trinque: dunno they're accurately termed "obligations"
trinque: it's a voluntary tax
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1000 unreliable whores still make a brothel.
mircea_popescu: it is, after all, how hot topic / starbux / sephora / whatever ustard outlet even stays in business.
mod6: "com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj ) as the sole and complete public contribution that may be required of him ; that such payment satisfies the total burden of taxation upon him, and no further payments may be required, in any form nor for any reason or under any title or pretense, by anyone ; that the satisfaction of this obligation is a moral requirement, and outside of the oppinion of
mod6: the sovereign people it will not be enforced."
mod6: bah.
mod6: sorry.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8274&pr=1
asciilifeform: depends in which way unreliable. e.g. say they all , on command, simultaneously reveal to be d00dz and pick up rifles. then battalion, whereas yesterday - brothel
mircea_popescu: trinque turns out iffier than that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that.
asciilifeform: that's the thing with sybils: what you thought were independents, turn out to be an aggregate
mircea_popescu: no, i know.
trinque: mircea_popescu: meant that turning the foundation into a tax man with income tax records seems wrong-headed
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8272&pr=1
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, should be up to teh forum really.
mod6: I'm not even sure that Mr. P. suggested that -- I only mentioned that as it is yet undefined weather such donation is "obligation free for the foundation". i.e. we hand back nothing in return.
trinque: mod6: nope, was responding to you
mod6: And I only use the word "obligation" as this is the language of the taxation outline within the DoS.
trinque: guy can donate in public, and deem everyone sees he donated, and decide himself to deduct that from tax
mod6: That's fair in the circumstance that said dontation was made public, indeed.
mod6: Anyway, I think this might be a bit off-topic from the original ; ``consider how to accept hardware donations''.
mircea_popescu: fact is : we will slowly and over the years migrate to a situation where control of hardware will not relate to any sort of "paying for it".
mircea_popescu: certainly not in fucking usd ; but moreover - at all. hardware, much like cunt, belongs to he who knows how to use it well, not to he who inherited a herd of sheep.
mircea_popescu: let the shepherd herd his sheep and make cheese out of them. computers are for intelligent people and no one else.
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q1/Birdman_payment_receipt.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/q2/Birdman_payment_receipt.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!rate Birdman 1 valued customer
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4EZae/?raw=true
mod6: Perhaps people can donate hardware for whatever purpose trb, uci/gossip via deedbot; then could be accounted for by some process while under our control; maybe even listed as "asset"?
mircea_popescu: possibru
lobbes: !!v 50422E169DE682AB8DAA0F4F94D5A38074FFD57F41A413D7089F263B484FADCF
deedbot: lobbes rated Birdman 1 << valued customer
asciilifeform: the ancient dream of the fungible cpu cycle keeps coming back. but sadly still - a dream
asciilifeform: ( 1024 chickens!11 )
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the suggestion, I shall think on it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta decorporealize teh hardware alfie.
asciilifeform: not that it's necessarily physical impossibility.
asciilifeform: just that neither asciilifeform nor anybody, afaik, else, knows how.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be pointed out that by-capital allocation of computing power is both a) immensely, ridiculously ineffectual and b) not really practiced, not even by the "obviously right way" de facto proponents (usg)
asciilifeform: what means 'by-capital' ?
mircea_popescu: the contortions they came up to "justify" the disconnect are also pretty lulzy. really, bitch, "silicon valley" ? "investors" ? what the fuck else ? "univeresity grants for research" ? reheheheheally ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just that -- have $100, get $100 worth of computer ; not have - not get.
asciilifeform: lol, that happens as often as buying 100 $ of waterfront
mircea_popescu: currently they're "selling" it by, iirc, the half dollar. hence amazon and all that cloudy bs.
asciilifeform: ( 'lease space inside nostril' aws et al also exists, uninterestingly )
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right but they sell it at, what , 1000x margin.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's two problems with the by-capital allocation. one is that various lusers (microsoft, govt offices, hospitals, etc) end up buying computers they can afford monetaerily, but can not afford intellectually. then it's all "antivirus companies" and "hackers" and their dumb, drunk-fucking mother on a stick.
mircea_popescu: the other one is that poisonous/poisoned minds end up dedicating their time to navigating the impedance mismatch. so you end up with nsa and "hackers" and "digital crimes" and what have you.
mircea_popescu: none of this nonsense is necessary ; just let go of the notion that dumb kid / arabic speaker / whoever on a stick may touch a machine in his born days.
mircea_popescu: for the cheap added benefit of no further fucking wiki-reddit-washpo-whatevers.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform toiled in usg salt mine, on some days the Official shitbox would be ~unusable: ~no cycles left over from 'antivirus'
mircea_popescu: obviously the only end state of "man who bought himself wife he could afford money-wise but not really penis-wise" is ... yellow rabid jealousy.
asciilifeform: and during this, thought 'you could easily get folx installing 'virus' wholly voluntarily, if it eliminated this & other crapola in a silent-to-brass way'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda the idea here.
mircea_popescu: no more all-comers computing.
asciilifeform: i fully expect that most 'uci' install would be by hand.
asciilifeform: upclose an' personal
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: in any case -- let the fucking bureaucracy get back to paper already, it's where it belongs.
trinque: hell I installed far less interesting items all over the place in high school
asciilifeform: this uci thing, is one of those items that is wholly trivial but for ONE unsolved boojum, quite like, e.g., roomtempsupercon
asciilifeform: 'first, steal a chicken..'
mircea_popescu: amusingly -- the chicken stealer (ro gainar, each language that saw them has its own word) is the lowest level of gypsy male qualification. a sort of transient baccalaureat if you will.
asciilifeform: modern equiv prolly 'bike thief'
mircea_popescu: not really, because the gypsies were/are serious about it. sort of like injun "totem animal" thing
asciilifeform: ( usaschwitz inmate could live 100yrs without once seeing a live chicken )
mircea_popescu: (note that in gypsy culture it is not a qualification for theft specifically. just independent operation, not being too dumb to live sorta thing. not a bad test for that, as it turns out.)
mircea_popescu: (and yes -- for girls it IS prostitution. works exactly like black girl booty shaking, if there's music they WILL move. which is how you get 12yos throwing passes at all passers by.)
asciilifeform: possibly we had this thread, but asciilifeform's unpublished, failed stab 'at bitcoin' decade+ ago was , more or less, 'uci running martianbank'
asciilifeform: plugging the funnel at wrong end, so to speak.
asciilifeform: and to this day afaik nobody has anything like a sybilproof way to glue 1024 unreliable chickens into a simulacrum of a pc
asciilifeform: even if you cut the problem domain down to simple storage - turns out, tricky
asciilifeform: ( ever use 'mule' w4r3znet? that's still the state of the art... )
mircea_popescu: i guess mostly open problem huh
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> modern equiv prolly 'bike thief' << In my experience people taking bikes dun really get attached to them. Bike was there and they could use it to go drug faster.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: ~same as hopping subway turnstile
BingoBoingo: Girls tend to get the opportunity to graduate to "tampering with motor vehicle" i.e. stealing man's car to drug faster and man staying pissed long enoug to file charges, but not long enough to press for Grand Theft Auto
BingoBoingo: So "tampering" charge is all that's left for oppression apparatus to pursue
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1543...5569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.89.201.250 (ssh-rsa key from 94.89.201.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EC7519B079B206656277F3C6AD770B4E7EEBD4EBEFE6BA70634BBC462AD506A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...8389 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.89.201.250 (ssh-rsa key from 94.89.201.250 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host250-201-static.89-94-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/drama-heats-up-as-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-prepare-for-next-round-of-fork-failures/ << Qntra - Drama Heats Up As fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Prepare For Next Round Of Fork Failures
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo irl, the "exchanges" were used to try and pop the "bitcoin bubble" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ; as a result they're trading while insolvent (on the btc side).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 07:44 mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along.
mircea_popescu: ie, usg attempting to fight bitcoin with ether will result in usg "bitcoin" exchanges bubble popping instead.
mircea_popescu: at this point 50-50 odds they'll manage to scare up the funds necessary to keep the charade going a little longer
BingoBoingo: Well, gotta cover the frog boiling and insert the rock hard truth when it's raep
mircea_popescu: but yes, the grand plan for june was "bitcoin prices drop while ethereum to the moon". it worked as well as the "liberation" of some town of a name i meanwhile forgot it was so long.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeh, just sayin' for teh eternal records.
BingoBoingo: And it helps to link to the linking to later for our good friend Maxwell Lulz esq.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2314.0, vol: 16969.47568326 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2281.178, vol: 6387.34062 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2282.5, vol: 31624.53370966 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2407.71153, vol: 10125.85840000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2311.867, vol: 9430.07842065 | Volume-weighted last average: 2310.28343355
mircea_popescu: meanwhile indoors, http://68.media.tumblr.com/bba3fa3749da183991fa43cfc6adef43/tumblr_on0z0ruzWx1suxmvuo3_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: !!up Derrick[afk]
deedbot: Derrick[afk] voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: who might you be ?
sina: I just popped in to complain about this thing and I feel like nobody else I know will understand
mircea_popescu: what thing
sina: https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/07/11/meshcommander-firmware-web-application << "Starting with Intel AMT 11, you can now upload a web application into the firmware that will replace the built-in index.htm page. This is super useful because you can upload a fairly complete Intel AMT management console into the firmware and access it using a browser. "
mircea_popescu: bwahaha
sina: makes me feel, so tired.
sina: anyway, hi and all that
sina: I have been watching the logs, interesting discussions
mircea_popescu: "this is super useful for any definition of useful that reduces to utterly fucktarded."
mircea_popescu: do you see what kinds and pluralities of problems oyu cause ? do you ? DO YOU ???
sina: mircea_popescu: you made me feel better
sina: I am imagining you shaking the guy who wrote that blog by the shoulders and screaming DO YOU in his face
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-09#750231☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-09 01:40 indiancandy1: mircea im in love with you
sina: phf: are you about?
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679224 << I dunno what "dat" constitutes in this case, but you can pass in any data just by the line "M := toBinArray(*message)" and sub out *message for dat☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:50 phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 20:13 trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across the network.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681116 << AFAIK there are only three methods of handling this, either read header bytes which specify how many bytes to read, or read until a newline-type char or read a fixed number of bytes. would be interested in discussing that further if others know of better ways to handle, it's an interesting problem. I guess reading a fix number of bytes is preferable.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
sina: another random thing I made https://github.com/sinner-/tinykv
sina: it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
sina: in golang :D
mircea_popescu: the advantage of cryptography is that you can say "all messages are 64kb" or w/e.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 09:21 sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680863 << it kind of sounds like an erlang cluster? except I guess you are looking for a network of untrusted nodes while erlang cluster all nodes are trusted
shinohai: "Hey my new Windows 10 install isn't bloated enough, any fix for that?" http://archive.is/CqOVm
asciilifeform: '...a barebone Ubuntu operating system that runs under the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL), which is mainly targeted at developers who don't want to build a dual-boot machine running both Windows 10 and the latest Ubuntu Linux release.' lol
shinohai: Still conveniently runs *everything* as suid 0, last time I checked.
asciilifeform: i liked cygwin moar
asciilifeform: ( when was stuck in winblowz salt mine )
asciilifeform: even built x11 for it
asciilifeform: practically ~indistinguishable from human os , when in fullscreen
asciilifeform: had 'ratpoison', proper emacs, sbcl, gcc, whole shebang
asciilifeform: would build unmodified sources for whatever.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681859 << from my pov this proggy dun actually ~do~ anything other than being a skin on top of google's libs☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 09:39 sina: it's an in memory key value store with concurrency business
asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
asciilifeform: like the thing nvidia ships with its turdballs.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681862 << lol, and if I squint hard enough she's as good as female!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681854 == 'airplane is just like boat except that it moves in the air instead of sea, trivial'
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2371.23, vol: 12839.02311130 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2333.999, vol: 4399.06916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2344.8, vol: 22652.8201857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2459.911473, vol: 7817.56330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2372.506, vol: 7636.48223221 | Volume-weighted last average: 2370.15531129
shinohai: http://archive.is/ZUBhq <<< In historical garage-sale finds ....
asciilifeform: lol the original 'get them idiot orcses usin' diddled crypto' nsavictory
asciilifeform: in other lulz from same rag, https://archive.is/18o6r
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: 'A former judge who played a leading part in one of France's biggest murder inquiries has been found dead at home with a plastic bag over his head.'
mircea_popescu: hey.
asciilifeform: heya mod6 mircea_popescu
mod6: :] Gentlemen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun worry alf, momstate's on top of things an' relevant an' errything.
mod6: Pantsuits. On scene.
asciilifeform: everybody laughs at the french, but when's the last time somebody solved american judge
mircea_popescu: this spring iirc.
asciilifeform: dun seem to have made it into tehl0gz
asciilifeform: or wait !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642888 << foundit☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz, https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Pantsuits. On scene. << Pantsuit, now with 50% more elastic for FUPA security
mod6: DONT DELAY! SECURE YOUR FUPA TODAY!
mod6: I'm pretty sure I'm gonna like sword & axe time.
asciilifeform: so far, only mop and bucket time.
mircea_popescu: these dorks.
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: they're forking the etherwebs over there. plox care.
mircea_popescu: all the teams sucked this superbowl so please focus all discussion on some aging mulatto's nipple slip ty.
mircea_popescu: do your part to keep america relevant, soviet.
asciilifeform: >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << oblig lul
mod6: hook me up with some of dat blogger speed yoh
mod6: so one day, i did do a test of ent with like ~1gb worth of '1's in a file just to see if the testing tool would hork.
mod6: indeed, did fail with some resonably expected outputs from each test. i'll have to try it again with doing like 100 consecutive 1's per Mb.
mod6: see if I can sneak one past the golie.
mod6: *goalie
mod6: The Chi^2 test should be interesting to see what percentile it falls into and weather this butts up against Knuth's "suspicious" boundary.
mod6: ahem. *whether.
mod6: If my keyboard would zap me everytime I misspelled a word, I'd like to think that I'd refrain.
mod6: *que image of leads on balls*
BingoBoingo: You might refrain, lesser homo spaiens may end up freed when their balls decay to the point the leads are no longer attached
mod6: Heh, maybe.
BingoBoingo: To find the answer we, in the tradition of our peoples, must consult the ever informative mengele files
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681775 << i'm happy to configure donated hardware to be useful to the republic; if machines need a home i can arrange for that as well☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 03:15 mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the suggestion, I shall think on it.
mod6: Thanks ben_vulpes!
mod6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H09gvuJplpg << :D
mircea_popescu: "But the real morals of the story is that one must be able to employ every little part of the animal you kill, like the man does… so that womenz can stuff that many more people into thje same fucking acre. won't you be happy then!"
asciilifeform: no 'so', causes not purposes!11
mircea_popescu: song. instrument of the purposuit crowd.
asciilifeform: instrument of all living things.
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the song, you mean ? or the spurious reinterpretation into "moral" ?
asciilifeform: song, in general
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : moar gnatology for fun an' profit : add -S -fverbose-asm to your -cargs to replace .o output with readable asmolade
mod6: sweet
asciilifeform: ( sadly heathen gas syntax. currently i do not know if this can be changed to godly nasm )
mod6: bah. i like gas!
asciilifeform: try writing it sometime. that'll cureya
mod6: i totally have.
mod6: reminds me of perl maybe. lol
mod6 runs
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: and in other emergencies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/4eb71c0bcec1be3d68d6ecb35cb8cd12/tumblr_ohzxwrQ4yb1vm0vvfo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-11#1681555☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 22:02 mircea_popescu: every stroke is precious, every stroke is good
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/love-in-an-elevator/ << Trilema - Love in an elevator
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681875 << this is actually a pretty strong line of argument. "not the work of a programmer, but the work of a designer."☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 14:38 asciilifeform: so it isn't 'a db', it's an api shim
asciilifeform: the work of a d00d who spraypaints gusts of flame onto toyota to 'make race car'
mod6: hey, it makes it faster
asciilifeform: vrooom.
mircea_popescu: in other not-rly-lulz, global warming or no, it is definitely A LOT rainier in costa rica than it was 10-15 years ago
mircea_popescu: 3x sorta thing.
mod6: related to this, it had seemed to me that since i've moved back to mn, we've gotten a lot less snow than what i remember as a kid in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: well, you're welcome to take all this water back any time.
mod6: but this chart seems to indicate that during the 60s-mid-80s we had higher-than-normal snowfall over the interval: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mspsnow2.jpg
mircea_popescu: i expect i have seen 5 to 10k hours of solid tropical rain the past three months.
mod6: it does seem, aside from this year, that we have gotten more rain recently.
mod6: here's the precipitation chart: https://www.climatestations.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/MSPPRCP.gif
mircea_popescu: wp-content eh!
jurov: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1707/1707.01204.pdf human computation password schemes, one-way functions, PRNGs
jurov: maybe some useful bits but rather underwhelming paper
asciilifeform: 'Specifically, we restrict supercomputer adversaries to at most 1024 (Avogadro’s number) steps' << wai
asciilifeform: 10^24
mircea_popescu: the model is bullshit.
mircea_popescu: human "computation" is not functional.
asciilifeform: 'Why this particular number? The intent here is to have as example a SPECIFIC MEMORABLE number (in this case, Avogadro’s number) that is roughly the minimum size sufficient to keep adversaries at bay – adversaries that have a week’s time on the fastest 2016-17 supercomputer, which in January 2017 can do 1017 petaflops/sec = 6x10^22 flops/week. In general, the specific number will depend on current technology.'
asciilifeform: it limps on 1st page.
asciilifeform reads on..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and predictably they've no idea what "a step" is./
mircea_popescu: anyway : ready way to blow this out of water. human can compute mpfhf by hand ; not reversable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj is about 'compute in their heads'
asciilifeform: not paper.
asciilifeform: 1st sentence.
mircea_popescu: people don't fucking compute in their heads.
asciilifeform: i can run x86 binary on paper, and so can whoever, it ain't interesting.
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/princessparty/
mircea_popescu: this is like people frustrated they can't make airplanes, deciding to create a "through-wall bird model of flight", proceeding to prove birds don't "fly" in the sense of, "through walls".
mircea_popescu: got little bird cannons and erry thing, bird firing range, variety of "Standard" walls, brick, whatever.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this idiocy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mnemonists, various stage magicians, computed respectably long arithmetizations in heads. but this d00d seems to concern with 'people'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a whole gallery of mostly females that swallowed long silicone strands "in their head"
mircea_popescu: wtf is that to do with anything, above and beyond "our ai consists of think()" ?
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/flanks/
mircea_popescu: whole fucking point of human brain is to avoid the walls of computation.
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/flanks/2/
mircea_popescu: !#s two calorie dragonfly
a111: 0 results for "two calorie dragonfly", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=two%20calorie%20dragonfly
mircea_popescu: yeah well, the discussion's in there.
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/pirated/
mod6: lel, the trackless wastes one is pretty good.
asciilifeform: gotta say it, the 'human functions' thing is a sphericalhorse snoar.
mircea_popescu: if it were fucking functional, it'd have been done in the 60s already.
asciilifeform: and clearly written by someone entirely innocent of mnemonist art
mircea_popescu: not like much brighter minds than these two belated if unemployagble schmucks TRIED THAT TO DEATH
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform clearly written by someone entirely inncoent of anything beyond reddit and lolpics.com
asciilifeform: blum ain't a redditus
asciilifeform: though i have nfi who vempala is
asciilifeform: sounds like an untouchable servant
asciilifeform: ( or politruk.. )
mircea_popescu: here, live and for the first time in the world, i give you the manuel blum & santosh vempala silicone model of brain computation : https://68.media.tumblr.com/45271fd5a728dffd2aff8ec6e37e12ab/tumblr_nnztkqVQlT1untuzto1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: i figured it out with my functional breadbox
asciilifeform: ( same blum as in blum-blum-shub )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform takes a year to make a wine cask, and five minutes to take a piss in it.
asciilifeform: lol swordswallower
mircea_popescu: IT GOEs IN HER HEAD!!!!1
mircea_popescu: "yeah but it also misses the point" "WE ARE THE EMPIRE OF MISSING THE POINT!!!"
asciilifeform: 'Штирлицу выстрелили в голову. "Разрывная"- подумал он пораскинув мозгами.'
asciilifeform: ( approx. ~= 'stierlitz (hero of '17 moments of spring') takes a bullet in the head. 'it's a dumdum', thought stierlitz, scatter-brained' )
phf: (how apropos, i'm about to embark on 17 moments of spring watch through with girl)
mod6: i want google to tell me if my pw is 100% kthxbye!
phf: tmsr did it first, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590352☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 23:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590325 << your password is now TMSR Safe(tm) certified. we have analyzed your password using stochastic gradient reduction methods(tm) that have determined that your password is safe from hackers. we recommend changing your existing passwords that are not TMSR Safe(tm) to your new TMSR Safe(tm) password. Ask our representative about helpful tips: how to change your Pretty Good Privacy password to TMSR
mod6: merry xmas eh
mircea_popescu: :p
mod6: <+asciilifeform> lol swordswallower << not bad, but not as good as the two from Monday!
phf: asciilifeform: you might find this entertaining, http://flibusta.is/b/426177/read (also nerfed version, but i didn't compare http://flibusta.is/b/352948/read)
mod6: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-7-8#4f359a25-2b0f-49f6-a1aa-0ae5c6488ddb << christ, was on saturday
phf: "Свершилось. ПРИШЛИ НЕМЦЫ! Сначала было трудно поверить. Вылезли мы из щели и видим – идут два настоящих немецких солдата. Все бросились к ним." etc.
asciilifeform: phf: ty. as it happens i just finished http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/miheenkov_se05/index.html
asciilifeform chronic eater of more or less everything on that w4r3z
phf: neat
asciilifeform: from phf's link, 'Бомбят, а нам не страшно. Бомбы-то освободительные. И так думают и чувствуют все. Никто не боится бомб.' mighty lulzy
asciilifeform: evidently these are the very same famous chix who lined up for the hairdressers because 'germans soon'
asciilifeform: 'Кто такая Л. Осипова конкретно, я не знаю (да и зачем?). Судя по дневникам, яркая (и ярая) представительница 'русской интеллигенции» 10-х годов прошлого века, метко охарактеризованной Ильичом (не касается интеллигенции вообще). 'Немцы-освободи
asciilifeform: тели», 'освободительные бомбы», 'друзья из СД» и пр., пр., пр. Ко 22-му июня Осипова — оголтелая ненавистница советского строя, истово жаждущая прихода немцев, чтоб они всех 'освободили». Несмотря на тяготы и лишения военного времени, Осипова
asciilifeform: ни разу не усомнилась в гнусности предыдущей советской жизни. В дневнике встречаются изумительнейшие повремённые жемчужины! ' << review elsewhere
mod6: all i see is unicode
mircea_popescu: russkiwank
asciilifeform: '... going by the diaries, a bright and eager exemplar of 'russian intelligentsia' of the 10s of the last century... 'german liberators', 'liberation bombs', 'friends from the sd', etc '
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vintage wank
asciilifeform: phf: that thing is a riot !
asciilifeform: i wonder if there's a pantsuit translation
mod6: http://www.engrish.com/2013/09/im-bubble-tea/
mod6: heeey, wb
shinohai: Hold up chicken-scratch behind Janet Yellen, reddit goes apeshit and send you free coin: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEjurnSV0AA_gH4.jpg
shinohai: I'm in the wrong fucking business.
asciilifeform: shinohai: wat am i looking at
shinohai: asciilifeform: A donation addy made for this guy: http://archive.is/TaCeC
mod6: i posted the vid earlier
asciilifeform: i saw the film
asciilifeform: did not see a btc addr in it
asciilifeform: so what means 'for' ?
asciilifeform: is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?
diana_coman: mod6, thanks!
shinohai: Supposedly the "for" is Alan Shillbert setting up tipjr for him cuz "he dun wanna b doxxed"
asciilifeform: shinohai: i said this before, and will say again, vodka is better than reddit any day and hour of the week
asciilifeform: shinohai: reading redditisms is the direct intellectual equivalent of sniffing glue.
asciilifeform: it's got 0 up-side.
shinohai: I have my reasons.
mod6: Back in the day some guy wandered in here and got 10 btc for sharpie in pooper.
shinohai: lol
jhvh1: Man must not live on reddit alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of alf ... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682044
mircea_popescu: did silbert's pooper get 10 btc together yet ?
asciilifeform: lol shinohai
BingoBoingo: At this point alf is prolly moar the religous hard liner than danielpbarron
mod6: naw, but alf has seen a lot of atrocities, and therefor has some axioms about things.
BingoBoingo: Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
BingoBoingo: Well, weaponized story...
BingoBoingo: Breaking News: Numerous Casualties Result From Chemical Weapons attack by TMSR Lord
BingoBoingo: In response to the kleptocratic aggressions and vandalism against his tomatoes, TMSR Lord BingoBoingo deployed the organophosphate nerve agent carbaryl against the evil Stink Bug order 'Pentatomidae.' The casualties will likely never be counted, but an estimated "dozen or so" stink bugs are dead or actively dying at the time of this writing. Civilian casualties among untargeted insects as a result of the TMSR Lord's chemical weapons use
BingoBoingo: are estimated to exceed one hundred thousand.
BingoBoingo: ^ In the collateral damage files
mod6: i love the smell of organophosphate in the morning
shinohai: Speaking of devices to eradicate vermin: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1499889865922.jpg
BingoBoingo: lol shinohai
mod6: that looks pretty good there ya.
mod6: fuggin captchas
mod6: JUST LET ME SEE THE FUCKING JPG
mod6: shit is gonna give me a stroke one of these times.
asciilifeform: pictured subj actually does not work reliably
asciilifeform: rat knows how to 'see' electric field
asciilifeform: proper murine electric chair works differently. switches on the hv after low-voltage conductivity sensor (use 2 transistors in the kindergarten scheme) closes.
mod6: ah
mod6: i thought it was just a creative fly swatter
asciilifeform: mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt
asciilifeform: ( 2 wires on the iron floor, 1 in the air with bait )
asciilifeform: ideally you also want some provision for switching ~off~ the current. or at least something reasonably fireproof beneath.
asciilifeform: in usa there are off-the-shelf electric rat zappers, they work ok, but difficult to clean on account of idiotic 'childproof' construction.
mod6: everything is child-proof. don't get me started about the soviet gas can.
asciilifeform: funnily enough actual soviet gas can was a 100% solid clone of the german one, probably to this day made in ru
asciilifeform: indestructible, steel
asciilifeform: https://a.d-cd.net/b7539du-960.jpg << subj
asciilifeform: well, progenitor of subj.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: in the photo is pretty obvious rat attempt << I thought it was for chihuahuas
mod6: ya, those actually seem "great" compared to this pos: http://ec-i21.geccdn.net/site/images/177x177/30860144.jpg
mod6: they have this frickin lock/unlock "spill proof" neck on them. that i have to simply discard cause i can't figure out how to use it.
asciilifeform: mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also
mod6: now i just pour out the normal widemouth with a funnel. spill gas everywhere.
asciilifeform: locks ~closes~ forever
mod6: eat my dick epa.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: it breaks after 3-4 uses also << for sure. sad.
BingoBoingo: There's a "trigger activated" variety that sucks a bit less. Prolly best to make the jump to https://archive.is/FUoB6
BingoBoingo: essentially widemouth with attached funnel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last i saw, you can still get blackmarket traditional 'jerry can'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not really blackmarket
asciilifeform: forget the 'modern' rubbish.
mod6: ya, that doesnt look as bad. i could go on for hours. how the government complicates how i pour liquid out of a container.
asciilifeform: mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work
asciilifeform: 'will they swallow this or finally hang us' 'they swallowed it' 'GREAT! let's obummercare some moar'
asciilifeform: iirc over in the heathen huts they call this stratagem 'shit test'
mod6: can't argue with that.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: it was a deliberate fuckyou-and-whatchagonnadoaboutit to people who actually work << Not like pantsuit gets to interact with men anyother way
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the Obama-can rules don't appear to apply to metal "safety" containers
BingoBoingo: Serious conspiracy by "big gascan"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not that you can actually buy those in a civilian shop
BingoBoingo: What do you mean "not in a civilian shop"?
asciilifeform: this is like the opterons thread all over again.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform could tell you where to get a opteron, or a dozen. but not where to get 10,000 by august.
asciilifeform: or next august.
BingoBoingo: This is pointedly no opteron thread. 10,000 could likely be had by late September and $maxint certainly had by next August
ben_vulpes: mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: opterons too
ben_vulpes: mm