deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
erlehmann: why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
☟︎ erlehmann: i noticed recently, looked a bit in the logs, then did something else
erlehmann: i think the infineon RSA super happy fun time triggered it
erlehmann: yeah, i wanted to know if phuctor had caught something like that
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 13:36 asciilifeform: in other thefts, 'The researchers went on to find 15 factorizable keys used for TLS. Strangely, almost all of them contain the string "SCADA" in the common name field.'
erlehmann: was it ever found out what system used 35 as exponent?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
erlehmann: is traitor ISP more “we will not host this anymore” or more “took server” (why would anyone, results are public?)
erlehmann: if it happens consistently, maybe it is an attempt to signal that enemy wants you to stop
erlehmann: my key expired on 2017-10-10 probably, as it should. i made the error of creating a key that does not expire only once.
erlehmann: so i changed the expiry date and uploaded it again.
trinque: can we stop putting keys in deedbot that expire already?
erlehmann: i just change expiry date after expiration
erlehmann: i'll do the rest later, it is 3:22 AM here and i want to sleep
erlehmann: asciilifeform thanks for the log, that amused me
trinque: just give me the same key but without the idiot expiration field
☟︎ erlehmann: understood. right now i feel definitely too sleepy to work out the incantation.
trinque: erlehmann: alrighty, cya later
trinque: I'd make the switch to using raw n and e today, but am loath to build anything more using a libgcrypt that has no future.
trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 23:16 BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 01:00 erlehmann: why is phuctor.nosuchlabs.com redirecting to trilema?
mircea_popescu: moreover, if your intention is to actually not put in the work so as to avoid the need for such dumb q, how about you just get lost on your own power, avoid the need to get banned in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and this dun go for him, either. if you're not about to make #trilema the organizing center of your life, don't idle here, it's not for you. read the website logs now and again like all the other nobodies.
shinohai: "Somebody must have haxxored it!!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 01:28 trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper' << Wouldn't hurt to have a Qntra explainer ready for when victory time comes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> erlehmann: enemy can fuck itself with a telephone pole. << That I CAN get for you. When do you want delivery?
BingoBoingo: That's a scam. Who fucking drinks just one beer?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 11:28 davout: would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 23:23 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
BingoBoingo has been doing a lot of switch reading while waiting for numbers, is interested in how ben_vulpes asks
BingoBoingo also figures probably gotta own the swtiches on the rack to extent crapware appliances can be owned
mircea_popescu: many dcs provide the racks with their own switches and dun wanna have them ever changed.
mircea_popescu: if you supply your own switch we're talking actual ipx, rather than simply colocation.
BingoBoingo: Still doesn't hurt to put our stuff through a switch on the way to their switch
mircea_popescu: you know some switch you can rely on to filter out magic usg packets ?
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, this is the last level heuristic in evaluating the biofilmness, "what make/model is your cabinet swirtch ?")
BingoBoingo: Well, how else does one get the ISP-ness of putting ips to boxes and managing other manages.
BingoBoingo: And big box of G-series boards on its own likely needs switch
BingoBoingo: And sure, switch is to be assumed evil until republican switch cerca 2020, but wat do?
BingoBoingo: "The video shows countless unopened boxes full of ready-to-eat meals in a dumpster, presumably thrown away by Puerto Rican officials. The video was shot in Patillas, a city on the island’s southeastern coast." << Pantsuit has to pantsuit
davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a different quote, from a tentacle of a satellite company of some sort, wants 5.3kusd just for 1G dedicated international connection
ben_vulpes: chinese arm of this project is taking much longer, but at least i have at least one translatorwannabe in my pipeline
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Generates and hammers magic packets
davout: "ring the doorbell and run away giggling"
davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: To what end does pantsuit do what pantsuit does?
BingoBoingo: And despite being immediately obvious, does that not still annoy?
BingoBoingo: AHA, and hence camp out reasonable walk from rack!
davout: BingoBoingo: i guess the point is that it's going to end up being extremely costly to preemptively weed out every single annoyance you can think of
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
BingoBoingo: Point is not "weed out all annoyances", point is make the one finite mitigation (own switch) which is less mitigation and more practice for scaling later.
BingoBoingo: Own in the sense I manage the settings on the appliance instead of trusting DC to not assign the task to their jolo. And at desired connection speeds switch handles the routing, unless you wanna go Cisco.
BingoBoingo: Maybe customer wants super anal static routing BBQ for their box?
BingoBoingo: Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense.
BingoBoingo: Urethra is generally an exit, but some people are into sounding
BingoBoingo: And today fiber runs to "meet me" room or other nonesuch, then to street or sewer ditch or wherever
deedbot: ssth1 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: But when exploring datacenter options, biggest obstacle is encountering Jolo the Pinoy in all nationalities. From "10 mbps to rack" to "Try this managed colo where we buy you boxes and do everything, it's just like getting 7Kva of dedicated servers but with more upsells"
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs
mod6: gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip?
☟︎ mod6: would figure that would be something you would want in-cage.
mod6: and rear-facing, why not, right
deedbot: Raven voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: lol yeah that name has good odds of already being in use
Guest29647: maybe check the instructions in the mail?
ben_vulpes: pick a different name? perhaps a phonetic version of your name?
ben_vulpes: mod6: kinda interesting that your `ent` chi-squared "randomly would exceed this value XX percent of the time" always comes out to something nice and round like 25.00 or 50.00
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: start by registering a nickname with nickserv
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: type /msg nickserv help for details on that
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah, i seem to remember reading about the X^2 percentiles in knuth. mine in particular came out pretty round ya. or do you mean "your" in the general sense?
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: prepend with a slash, like /register zero
mod6: i'd have to look at other's results, can't recall off the top of my head.
ben_vulpes: but that one's also going to be taken, freenode is a very busy place
ben_vulpes: mod6: for contrast this first run just came out with 80.89%
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: once you register the nick, you gotta also set it as your nick like /nick raven_zero
Guest29647: from my viewpoint, I'm stll Guest29647.
ben_vulpes: mine too; what did nickserv tell you when you typed exactly /nick raven_zero
mod6: ben_vulpes: seems fine. iirc, and i don't have the book in hand at the moment, but knuth outside certain boundaries is suspect.
mod6: might be in the logs
ben_vulpes: mod6: this is from "the art of computer programming" or... ?
mod6: yah, i'll go grab the book, standby.
mod6: "If V is less than the 1% entry or greater than the 99% entry, we reject the numbers as no sufficiently random. If V lies between the 1% and 5% entries or between the 95% and 99% entries, the numbers are ``suspect'';
mod6: if (by interpolation in the table) V lies between the 5% and 10% entries, or the 90% and 95% entries, the numbers might be ``almost suspect.''" -- Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 2, Seminumerical Algorithms pp. 46,47
ben_vulpes: mod6: yeah i think i'll just have to read this myself
mod6: There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results.
ben_vulpes: leaning on intuition here; feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition
ben_vulpes: statistics being the thing that hoses intuition every time.
mod6: yeah, not too sure. i've also never looked at the `ent` code.
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mod6: ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously...
mod6: (just to see if I get a different value, or non-round value for X^2)
mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ mod6: originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new.
mod6: anyway, have a good night :]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 03:56 davout: what's an evil switch gonna do? DoS?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:25 davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-12 21:35 asciilifeform: trinque: will need, laugh if you must, 2nd inverter
mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
☟︎ jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 30 / (220 * 24 * 30 / 1000) = 0.1893939393939394
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one like that, it wanted 30bux/mo per amp (220v)
mircea_popescu: what math did you do when you decided you don't like it ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:54 mod6: gens, sure. do you want to share power conditioning equip?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 05:01 asciilifeform: this is not unreasonable request, btw, and will filter out bozos
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 05:27 Guest29647: REGISTER Zero
ben_vulpes: i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
ben_vulpes just had an exciting; apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off
ben_vulpes: however new residence has a "whole house fan", and so exhausting all interior gasses was a trivial exercise
mircea_popescu: did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ?
mircea_popescu: mortified noob had to endure the humiliation of me having to actually go outside reset the gas line
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated.
mircea_popescu: this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there.
ben_vulpes: ah i see; i was thinking about little glass amp-rated tubes
mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well for one thing she had no idea how/where, i never saw the item installed anywhere else in that country.
ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:03 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:10 mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:37 asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 06:30 mod6: ok, just ran 2 quick tests on different box. results are very similar. different # of samples on new ones, however old|new: 25%|27.42%, 50%|53.57% respectively
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:10 ben_vulpes: vegetarians have terrible internal flora, can confirm
mircea_popescu: incidentally re
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726309 : i suppose it's obvious that teh republic, between wot, forum and the new deedbot beats silicon valley way the fuck out of the water. what angel list, what y combinator, why would i, or any thinking man, bother.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 18:54 ben_vulpes: what would the terms be?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726719 << here's model : intel box B behind cisco switch S. NSA N sends magic packet M. S notices packet it received does not match rules operator O set ; S notices M matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M pass in spite of this breaking its submission to O. B receives packet M, acts accordingly, breaking its submission to O. perhaps B also responds, with packet M'. S notices M' does
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:11 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726673 << that was what i didn't and still don't grasp : what exactly can enemy exfiltrate from a boobytrapped ~switch~ ( it ain't a firewall, it's a dumb switch) that he cannot get from his upstream tap ??
mircea_popescu: not match rules operator O set ; S notices M' matches rules N baked in and so S lets packet M' pass.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all is an overstatement, but you get the idea i think.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform simple pill for the ethernet, cut and crimp.
mircea_popescu: i teach teh slavegirls, it's part of the basic curriculum.
mircea_popescu: well that's what i'm saying, there's even teenaged sluts doing it nowadays. perhaps for the first time in internet history, at that!
mircea_popescu: (one amusing result was one girl painted her toenails thusly. NOBODY noticed.)
mircea_popescu: "what was at that hacker club thing ?" "a bunch of idiots ?" "whence can you tell ?" "i painted my toenails utp style. everyone wanted to talk of me, nobody thought ot mention it."
phf: it's such a toxic color scheme, you'd think somebody will notice.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? esp cause it takes all the half-whites and shit. and besides, where do geeks look when trying to think of something to say to girl ? yep, you've guessed it, toes!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe. tho pinky toe nails are tiny anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design.
mircea_popescu: ianae, maybe there's places where they'll mount your camera opposite if you ask. i wouldn't really add it to the disqualifier list.
mircea_popescu: and pray for a transparent cabinet door and available fixed location and nobody placing a sticker in front of it ?
mircea_popescu: what i'm saying is that i don;t know this being part of the design.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, are you being an alien. the eyes in your own box don't see your mouth in your own box do they ?
mircea_popescu: "enemy" is too dumb to stop shitting in its own mouth.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
phf: fight the enemy you have, not the enemy you want :)
mircea_popescu: actually, it does, yes. that's what the republic is : the construction of the guarantee that if enemy exists, he is dumb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the french have this communist issue. nato or no nato, during the 70s it had gotten so bad they were not even included in intel briefing.
mircea_popescu: depends. would it have been featured on the atlantic ?
mircea_popescu: lol. that's an easy enough site to make, only need one branch implemented. "yes."
phf: "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.crypto.subtle.generateKey')" well there's that..
shinohai: owner offered Btc discount, I may try to scrape up if so
trinque: just a couple generations back intel mac
shinohai likes the high-tech boxfan cooling system
phf: shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready"
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
shinohai: Thanks for advice. Fellow also has a Optiplex 3050 for sale.
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shinohai: Good to see females that have control of the mic
mircea_popescu: i always thoiught his "still more romanian than you" byline was lulzy.
mircea_popescu: "If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: in similar lulz, the badea cirtan market in timisoara was officially known as "bad curtain".
mircea_popescu: but the relation is apt, the whole drum bun is quite it, "may you make it back out" sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: well... the 20something hos tried in the early 2010s, which is how i ended up sucked in.
mircea_popescu: so an exaggeration, but not that substantial. like saying "nobody in the us uses yahoo mail"
mircea_popescu: hey, the euros are retarded. they end up footing the bill for usg red pseudomilitary adventures in the middle east via hosting refugees (hey, when's the last time anyone sent 10 mn syrians to live in new fucking york, instead of germany, france etc ?) and for usg blue pseudodiplomatic misadventure in the shape of paying more for gas, selling less machinery and total real estate collapse because no more russki suckers to buy u
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "signed up". greeks signed up for repaying debts when they took money, lol.
mircea_popescu: signed up in the way afghan signed up to use us provided weapons to defend "us interests".
mircea_popescu: venice had no standing army. charles came and as he came he went.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated with a matter of relative sizes and holy roman provinces, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class.
mircea_popescu: "Therefore, it’s pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government."
mircea_popescu: come to think i actually like this guy. asciilifeform see if he wants to join ? does he have a contact ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while
mircea_popescu: they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e.
mircea_popescu: but yes, back to it, by the time tmsr has its own isp it will have become more of an actual country than say romania. the eu member.
mircea_popescu: dja know that ancient joke that if you hear a hungarian speaking foreign languages you know he's a jew ?
mircea_popescu: i have never met in my entire life an ethnic romanian who was a competent merchant. not once, not one, not ever.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status.
mircea_popescu: apparently if you're a free market individualist without any regard for "the state", you're suspekt. news at 11 i guess.
ben_vulpes: you wanna hear about fascism; fuckin irs wants spousal consent for electing to treat a certain corporation a certain way
mircea_popescu: im kinda hoping they reintroduce the "village community". want you to buy a car, ask first the мир for permission.
ben_vulpes: "baby, it is moments like this that i sincerely regret not just signing a declaration and broadcasting it to the republic"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at least name it Preemptive Asset Hiding Corporation For Use In Later Divorce Proceedings To Circumvent Governmental Attempts At Nationalization And Assorted Activist Judge Idiocy And Also To Make Sure The Dumb Fucking Whore And Her Repugnant Spawn Fucking Starve, Inc.
ben_vulpes: i need a fiatcorp to make that happen like i need an uncooled 42u cabinet
mircea_popescu: yes, but let the empire of Named Things carry its own struggles.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "in some circumstances", when electing to treat an llc as s-corp, irs demands spousal consent
mircea_popescu: those circumstances being that they are so fucking touchy about woman not getting all that she possibly could alloted her by divorce court.
ben_vulpes: well duh, but wife's signature to change tax status?
ben_vulpes: next they'll want wife's signature to lease hookers
trinque: pretty sure it's state by state, that
ben_vulpes: in tangential lulz, one of the "children rescused in fbi child trafficking sting", touted as an "18 month old, rescued from sex trafficking!" was in fact hooker's baby and is now a state ward
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from experience i find the girls pick much better hookers than i do.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no doubt, but statal mandate that wife picks hookers?!
trinque: ah son of a bitch, texas is a "community property" state too
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of marriage is community property. whadda ya want
trinque: says your frou owns half of what you earn over the course of marriage
mircea_popescu: actually it says that a) marriage is a corporation in which b) each spouse owns 50% and c) unless specifically excepted prior, all income of either party is assigned to it.
mircea_popescu: this should be taught in "civil class" or w/e they call it in hs. but in any case -- don['t mary below your station, what.
ben_vulpes still extracting ongoing dowry payments
mircea_popescu: hey, a slim minority of the girls actually market their own produce to the point of obtaining cash for it. i see no serious problems with this situation.
ben_vulpes: buy 'em, own 'em, fuck 'em, put 'em to work.
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "oh, marketing is the only employee with ROI, everyone else just contributes to costs, marketing contributes to revenue". somebody's gotta make the shit you package and sell.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: tl;dr dood who knows when automobile was invented "can not see" how 100k people could have travelled "in the cold" of early december over "long distances" and "what they would have eaten".
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that this is the 1900s, whereas peopel routinely travelled large distances in the cold and ate just five five centuries prior, and before that. because a) the cart of the time was intended as and functioned as a whole-family-mover, which is exactly how oregon trail happened ; and because the grain->bread and corn->mamaliga cycle permit something to the tune of 2mn calories per ton, ie enough to feed a family o
mircea_popescu: but whatever, "i can't see how people travelled before they had electric cars or why would a wife benefit from the occasional beating"
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a case of "i came up with this theory which is mine".
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ugh, that guy always stank to me of americanism of the most annoying sort; and this "how could they have travelled" is precisely of that sort; "oh noes, how can one WALK a MILE???"
mircea_popescu: he has the original well researched revisionist piece.
mircea_popescu: basically, every time he doesn't use his own gut feelings, he's tolerably in the vicinty of truth.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arguments he presents don't work -- travel is much more likely in a country devastated by war than in one stable. in the latter case people feed themselves by tending to their crops ; but if no crops, they feed themselves by... GOING TO THE MARKET.
mircea_popescu: and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come".
diana_coman: that might be I guess; he certainly does write at least more than the 100 words thrown at the blank page half-randomly, certainly; not so sure if there is anything more than that
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". << Well, that's sorta what walmart is in a more retarded fashion
diana_coman: maybe he suggests he would sit and starve because... no car?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well for his good fortune he's married to some local chick, so i expect he'd just you know.
mircea_popescu: well, it's a large country. richer than the us per capita, and certainly culturally stronger. so...
phf: i think i heard it called a "cultural honkey"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, guess so, huh; he'd find out quickly "how is it possible" lol
phf: i.e. wigger, otaku, etc
hanbot: Untill and unless I / Until
hanbot: ^ in latest trilema, i mean, mircea_popescu
hanbot: anyway having spent a few years fulfilling copywriting specs i'll admit a fair amount of the work was absorbed in weighing whether a given spec-producer seemed likely to pull the penny-revision stuff
diana_coman: asciilifeform I guess I can vouch now for FG being "safe for kids" - 5 yo spotted one on my desk and asked the usual ton of questions BUT he figured out by himself that "it has a manual too, look!"
shinohai: "I am disappoint Mom, took this out to pasture and it did not fuck goat"
diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
☟︎ shinohai: Toiling away in Eulora here, u?
phf: diana_coman: did you also explain the logo?
mod6: shinohai: werd. about to log back in actually & checkout the mining today
phf: asciilifeform: i wanted to add your mpi to btcbase patches, but realized that it's not a valid vpatch, since it doesn't have a genesis. i'll add an exception to mechanisms (right now it just 404's and all kinds of broken, basically), but!
phf: diana_coman: right, i guess it doesn't have any symbolic value, when there's no underlying concept associated with it
diana_coman: phf, quite; basically "white squiggles" from his point of view atm really; he noticed the letters, yes, because those he recognises as symbols but otherwise in any case, screws and cables way more interesting
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Do you routinely take hime to the good playgorund (i.e. the hardware store)?
diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
☟︎ diana_coman: to take apart his own stuff too, lol; important this one
shinohai: lol in otc - 16:19 +joecool or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did
mircea_popescu: that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 20:49 diana_coman: aha, try explaining to a 5 yo what that is and what it does...
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 21:10 diana_coman: but he is still only 5 so a lot to figure out yet
diana_coman: asciilifeform, good idea actually; I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is ; part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?"
diana_coman: it is, yes; it just did not make it to the top of the pile really
diana_coman: I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol; tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only
diana_coman: but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol
diana_coman: hah, I can pass it on to his father then !!
mircea_popescu: teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water.
mircea_popescu: secrets are big at that age ; and especially for girlz.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of places to get little aluminum heatsinks
BingoBoingo: One cannot simply assume a world in 2017 without jbweld, much as one cannot assume a world in 1800 without procelain tile
BingoBoingo: Why not light heatsink to case? Not like it's a fucking opteron
BingoBoingo: Of dubious up to date node running ability
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's same generation as my mainbox E350 but slower. E350 vulnerable to high block processing times even with 31337 SSD attached
BingoBoingo: Except for those mega signature stuffed blocks
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