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shinohai: ty d
mircea_popescu: heh so apparently they're gonna shut down the server i'm connected through. GOOD BY CRUEL WORLD!
phf: not so fast
mircea_popescu: i may have been server notice scammed.
mircea_popescu: wow
mircea_popescu: !#google pussygrab
mircea_popescu: !~google pussygrab
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mircea_popescu: somewhat odd, i actually see trilema as #2, above reddit and below something called ibtimes
hanbot: i don't see trilema in results at all, despite top of second page yielding censored term (p*ssy). motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: hanbot what do you see if https://www.google.com/search?q=pussygrab&tbs=qdr:w ?
hanbot: trilema @ 4
mircea_popescu: this "different results for different calls" thing is so fucken dumb...
ben_vulpes: EXCITING
mircea_popescu: and in other "haterz care deeply" lulz, https://archive.is/vAZU8 https://archive.is/QjKln
ben_vulpes: lol that danielkerr character
ben_vulpes: https://www.opencart.com/index.php?route=cms/company << oh god "our team"
mircea_popescu: this first name bs is really obnoxious
mircea_popescu: wtf they do anywya, "you can't be john, we already have a john. why don't you be felix ?"
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278495/Troubled-former-football-star-recovering-ice-addict-Daniel-Kerr-1-3-million-house-repossessed-bank.html << 3 bedroom 1 bathroom ? wtf is wrong with people.
mircea_popescu: how is a 1 bathroom hovel even worth more than a car.
mircea_popescu: "The 652 square metre corner block boasts high ceilings, timber flooring, a theatre room and alfresco deck." AND ONE BATHROOM
mircea_popescu: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alxsite.com << and here's how lulz look.
BingoBoingo: hovel needs less maintenance to keep hoveling that car needs to keep friving
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
BingoBoingo: 75% of car parts store is essentials, 85% of hovel parts store is unessential fluff
ben_vulpes: what need have we of rmax when we can make papercrete
BingoBoingo: Why would I want concrete that is palatable to termites?
ben_vulpes: mix boric acid in
BingoBoingo: that will interfere with cure weakening product
ben_vulpes: load tests are in order
BingoBoingo: concrete's a fickle little bitch it's first month of life.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: also i don't know who uses rmax for structural elements
ben_vulpes: you can pump it through a stucco sprayer, which i think is very fucking cool
BingoBoingo: An you're talking insulation, I thought you were talking the real estate firm
ben_vulpes: there is also http://www.masongreenstar.com/, but yes mostly considering as insulator
ben_vulpes: veehehehery interested in the material's load bearing capabilities too, but TEUs are literally haus duplos so...
mircea_popescu: hm, ben_vulpes going towards building haus ?
ben_vulpes: very seriously considering all sorts of very stupid things. what else is new.
ben_vulpes: see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598241☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:05 ben_vulpes: i'm one more 'undefined is not a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats
mircea_popescu: us is horribru place to build.
ben_vulpes: what build, i'm going to live out of a shipping container
mircea_popescu: with rmax ?
ben_vulpes: papercrete!
mircea_popescu: containers suck in all places with a weather.
ben_vulpes: us is a horrible place to live.
mircea_popescu: depends what you're looking for. not terrible if you're into fucking bums.
mircea_popescu: sort of like pinoy was 30 years ago.
ben_vulpes: anyways, 1700 bucks not bad price for beefy steel frame and corrugated panels.
BingoBoingo: Just get some concrete masonry units and play legos
mircea_popescu: yeah not a bad time to buy containers. trade's going to shit.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: container legos are best legos
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "peak stuff"!
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: steel billet is like 300, 20 foot dry container is like 2.3 tons tare, so that's about 700 out of the 1.7 just the price of the metal.
mircea_popescu: that's like buying house for 2.5 the price of bulk brick
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So how many are you stacking?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can stack em as high as 8, and in principle could cover a square mile with 'em
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking is stacked 2 high, filled with rebar and concrete poured, one could make a respectable fence.
mircea_popescu: for what, mexico ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: neglects the cost of turning brick into structural frames and walls
ben_vulpes: nevermind that the retail cost for corrugated panel is going to be rather larger than that for billet which omfg cannot be bought retail
ben_vulpes: more like 2.5 cost of bulk dirt if you're going to compare at the level of billet
ben_vulpes: and yes i can cut, weld, seal. no big. but forge from billet? get the fuck out
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For strolling through the garden you've placed atop your fence
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: barns in the 2-3 range, meatboxes same, but without truss roof
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Because rain noise you'll probably want some sort of roof above the steel
ben_vulpes: garden! like you said.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#30 << does this regular pattern of descending transaction counts to a very low number over three blocks spook anyone else?
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599556 << expect to see thousands of these, made Just For Us☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 19:08 davout: interesting: https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2017/01/08/a-bitcoin-transaction-that-takes-5-hours-to-verify/
davout: asciilifeform: it isn't very clear to me if the actual attack ~must~ be a P2SH transaction
mircea_popescu: in any case fix is trivial.
asciilifeform: davout: from my reading, it is something that sits in a block
asciilifeform: (vs a mempool tx)
davout: "It is possible to use a standard p2sh transaction as the attack vector, but it seems to be a transaction that takes no more than 500 msec to be verified." <<< this part confused my parser
mircea_popescu: davout the way this works is by piling a bunch of slow txn.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact it is not trivial, gavin et al introduces some pile of shit that almost certainly has fencepost eggog
davout: asciilifeform: seems to me any incoming transaction that you verify could DoS you
davout: (assuming you have the pre-requisites already in block)
asciilifeform: davout: for mempool tx i can just ban the opcode.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "do not evaluate script" is simple enough.
asciilifeform: it is only in blocks that you cannot.
davout: right
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: won't eval script -- can't verify block.
asciilifeform: or next block.
asciilifeform: or next. etc
mircea_popescu: blocks are header based not tx based.
davout: fix is lulzy
mircea_popescu: and you don't have to evaluate the script to check the tx.
davout: "Additionally I have done extensive fuzzing to ensure the result is identical to the current implementation."
asciilifeform: davout: gold
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: script with, e.g., nonstandard ops, results in nonwellformed block.
asciilifeform: per trb.
asciilifeform off to trb room to verify this statement. and then to bed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't have to evaluate the script. you have to check that the inputs exist, check that the txn is signed, and that's that. all the nutty bs "scripts" do is not of any interest, not really.
mircea_popescu: tbh /me has little intention to support anything but the above in trb-i. no fucking "scripts". name your input, name your output, sign. that's it.
mircea_popescu: the whole "native support for '''contracts'''" in satoshi's spaghetti is exactly equivalent to his support for '''accounts'''. deeply misguided, entirely useless, pure wildman nonsense.
ben_vulpes: this is perhaps the one instance in the history of the world where the software schelling point might actually migrate /away/ from complexity.
mircea_popescu: the sheer idiocy of building contracts into money can not be properly appreciated by coders, sadly.
mircea_popescu: it is not unlike ovaries that came with wedding rings built in.
mircea_popescu: "honey, i love you enough to cut through your abdomen and hope this kidney stone fits your finger. and mine."
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599658 <<< so basically any fucktard who can mine a block can DoS TRB into oblivion☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 05:35 asciilifeform: davout: for mempool tx i can just ban the opcode.
mircea_popescu: needs to mine about 3 blocks in succession to do anything visible. and the visible something will probably be his 3 block thing being an orphan.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that aside, fixing this in trb may be worth the doing. though in my mind it was slated for when we actually do trb-i, to be shot in head with the whole "script" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: "i know, let's put a fucking forth parser into the consensus system, that'll be so fucken smart!"
davout: mircea_popescu: not sure the blocks need to be mined in succession
davout: you just need to have the outs at hand
davout: and i'm really not sure the necessary prevouts wouldn't be rejected as 'attack-preparation' by random miners
davout: either way, I entirely agree that the scripting thing is cancerous
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598344 << lol, missed this part.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:04 mircea_popescu: ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file.
ben_vulpes: lemme guess: you're ~epsilon interested in poking a running lisp process through emacs
ben_vulpes: i think you'd get significant mileage out of it, but the cognitive overhead would probably enrage you.
ben_vulpes: it might not be so bad at that, there's one command to compile, and a single keypress to abort a failed compilation. ofc, you'll have to either edit directly in emacs (strongly recommended for parens-balancing reasons) or edit the file in something else of your choice (not recommended because no parens balancing) and then loading the file in a persistent lisp session in tmux or whatever
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ^^
ben_vulpes: (do people mute highlights from a111 ?)
davout: ben_vulpes: i don't, useful for when you're answered to
ben_vulpes: davout: aye, that's what i've always thought. no need to waste characters on a nick when a111 does it for ya!
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/09/finding-the-light/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Finding the light.
ben_vulpes: spiffy little chart pete_dushenski, howdja make it?
Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..)
ben_vulpes: vanilla wordpress would work.
ben_vulpes: you'll have a long fucking slog getting him to use finished software if he's an investor in a revolutionary online publishing platform, though.
Framedragger: ikr :( probably so
Framedragger: vanilla wp may work, yes... i hear some folx use medium because it offers "exposure". i wonder if there's anything to it (probably not). i guess you see popular articles when you go to medium.com, or something..
Framedragger: "n3twork 3ffect"
ben_vulpes: a man's work stands on its own, for everyone else there are marketing departments standing by to contribute to revenues.
Framedragger: indeed - and he should know this and consider setting an example..
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: your bot is ready, i'll be online sometime after 2200 utc to hash out the details of getting your code into it.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: you know that ellipses have three dots in 'em?
ben_vulpes: ohai jurov
jurov: o/
Framedragger: usually i am a coward and a proper ellipse is too much of a commitment to me.
Framedragger: \o
ben_vulpes: heh which reminds me: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee << zero income foundation carries on the zero asset legacy :P
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: which reminds me of a thought perhaps mircea_popescu can make better use of than i, given how it's been evading my grasp: why is it that you can have brave men and brave women, but cowards are all men?
Framedragger: hm, isn't that because of gender role legacy, with "man taking the burden" and all that? i'm sure this oversimplifies things - it's an interesting thought
Framedragger: can a woman really not be a coward?
Framedragger: or more precisely, have there been no instances of such?
ben_vulpes: it's not that women can't be cowards but that cowards (unqualified) are men.
Framedragger: right. and yes i agree, seems to be the case.
ben_vulpes: best i have is that woman adapts and survives and man dies broken, fighting to the last breath
ben_vulpes: bbl, zs
Framedragger: yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine.
Framedragger: (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.)
Framedragger: (not a very original thought.)
phf: woman is assumed to be cowardly by default, where's a man needs a qualifier.
diana_coman: Framedragger, there is sex and there is gender; in other words, an individual woman can be more of a man than a specific, given man and the other way around;
Framedragger: no disagreement there (did my statements imply or assume otherwise?) :)
Framedragger: but, yeah.
Framedragger: there are the prevalent 'expected defaults', tho.
diana_coman: which are basically models of "feminine" and of "masculine" if you prefer, to make it clear
diana_coman: and so if that's clear, what is it that you dislike?
diana_coman: Framedragger> (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unh
diana_coman: appy gay people.) <- this suggested the difference was not clear to you
Framedragger: you're right.
Framedragger: in certain places, it may be unnecessarily hard for say a man to be 'feminine'. i think that's what i meant, not more than that
diana_coman: how do you decide on "unnecessarily" there?
Framedragger: well, that's the problem and object of possible critique here. i suppose it's quite subjective and really hard to defend. my hope was that someone may relate and define this more rigorously
diana_coman: well, I don't really think someone can live a very unhappy life due to *others'* expectations; at most due to his/her own
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/575A15CF2DA998E5E78663389111EFA3BF1F80A47EEB005ED795EA946D20253F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.47.20.107 (ssh-rsa key from 85.47.20.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host107-20-static.47-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7EE9D7418360EBF5222D566B0A5B811023AC29616EBC02A9EE52BDB5A00038A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.116.209.1 (ssh-rsa key from 2.116.209.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host1-209-static.116-2-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A558B10A1CCC09194358E0502CAFA4415F57F1944DD9FE618E2A2E2D29EFAC0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.177 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host177-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24698AD72475BB28F25AD63CC626A01EC41AF82BC51BC4CB8118FC5B15BDF42E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.179 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host179-196-static.57-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F5531B421CF54E13A5413500A2CAA7EC23E3D2267C57196B08C217AC2A4EF4B7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1095...1183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.86.29.254 (ssh-rsa key from 62.86.29.254 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host254-29-static.86-62-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
Framedragger: diana_coman: i see what you mean. at the end of the day if one cannot carve out existence on their own terms, they are doomed either way - this much i agree with. (also, i didn't really have a fleshed out point, thanks for clarifying things for me)
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 <<< in my book, running away from a bank robbery scene if you can, qualifies as 'not being a moron', not 'being a coward'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:40 Framedragger: yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine.
Framedragger: bad example, i agree :D
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F884718CC1F7BBD6425044BB98EB5128654EC09BB8F8D8FFE2F4EFA26F4CC53 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 53045983853809585401822001 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marcus Benjamin <markymac99@mac.com>; Marcus Benjamin <markymac@charter.net>; '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599687 << it is likely, but obviously unreliable.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 05:53 davout: and i'm really not sure the necessary prevouts wouldn't be rejected as 'attack-preparation' by random miners
mircea_popescu: the reason you want them in succession is that single blocks will definitely get orphaned, but longer chains present a risk for miners if they opt not to build on them.
mircea_popescu: that's a real threat model, because of how bitcoin works chain differentials are real leverage in the hands of enemy.
davout: seems to me that enemy being able to build a large chain differential would be a problem in its own right
mircea_popescu: it is.
mircea_popescu: i didn't specifically separate it here, but that's where the 3 guess comes from.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "softforks" ie successful attacks to date are a very simple indication of how this works.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599676 << for the record, there isn't a case in history YET where schelling point was anything than against complexity.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 05:45 ben_vulpes: this is perhaps the one instance in the history of the world where the software schelling point might actually migrate /away/ from complexity.
mircea_popescu: which is why ustardia requires all the ideological fanfare. outside of getting people to blindly believe they matter, somehow, no matter how, there's simply no way.
mircea_popescu: in any case the usg "tax code" or "legal code" or any other pile of usg-specific idiocy is NOT a schelling point.
mircea_popescu: and for the "we all agree" (that "sexual harassment is a thing" or "words hurt" or whatever other nonsense du jour) engine to work, the strict requirement is for "everyone" to be entirely a set of usg drones. it's not even enough to pad theroom, it must be filled.
mircea_popescu: which is how hillary ended up visiting 1mn strong towns in the sense of speaking to fifty ditzy cunts nobody could be bothered to ever fuck in a basement library somewhere.
mircea_popescu: the usg is veheheheeery fragile.
mircea_popescu: (or, in the imperial expression, "putin doesn't understand how the world works".)
mircea_popescu: hence all the "gotta educate the public". their process of "education" consists of taking healthy youths and spitting out useless drones. now if only this process could be extended to anything other than placid, cowardly middle class youth, the world would suddenly be habitable for the usg!
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599724 << who is expected to protect these "good sensitive men" that run away? the men that are in fact men?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:51 Framedragger: (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.)
trinque: socialism: its kinda gay
mircea_popescu: yes. this is EXACTLY what they expect.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599692 << i'm not against it, but how do you handle the connection with some semblance of security ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 06:21 ben_vulpes: i think you'd get significant mileage out of it, but the cognitive overhead would probably enrage you.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, i don't get enraged by things i don't know ; i get enraged by things that are stupid.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599695 << i don't.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 06:26 ben_vulpes: (do people mute highlights from a111 ?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599699 << there's a c* blog/ing competition underway isn't there.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 07:26 ben_vulpes: spiffy little chart pete_dushenski, howdja make it?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski palate. the bony skull part above your tongue, where supposedly (the belle epoque frenchies thought) elevated tasting takes place.
mircea_popescu: dude this piece is beautiful. tyvm pete_dushenski no further than yest sitting with girls on sidewalk cafe we were wondering at abominable item, and then discovered it was... WV!!!
mircea_popescu: persuasive retelling of history falls right in the spot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599700 << why'd he have to ? deploy one for him, and him passwords.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:23 Framedragger: (just complained to taleb about him using medium. this whole "scrape article right after it's published because the unicorn it's riding on may go really go down soon" is a bit stupid. on the small off chance that he replies with a request for a suggestion to be considered, i wonder if there's anything to actually be suggested. need to search for a bit (i'm certain he wouldn't fuck around with mp-wp unfortunately)..)
mircea_popescu: explain how to make backups (even if it's a dump-db-encrypted-to-key script you throw together) and that's it.
mircea_popescu: and before anyone asks : the advantage of this is that this solution scales. ACTUALLY scales. specifically, if at any point in his own time and for any reason in ~his own domain~ taleb wants to get more control, he can. he actually can. you explain to him, when he asks, HOW to be more in control of his mp-wp install. in terms of configuring the php script, or in terms of configuring the apache server, or in terms of configuri
mircea_popescu: ng the linux install, or the linux kernel, or in terms of vlsi and baking his own hardware.
mircea_popescu: THIS is the important thing, and the only thing that matters ; and this is the fundamental reason we hate, equally, and forever, medium, blogspot, whatever the fuck. "convenience" my right foot. it's never convenient to be stupid, and it is absolutely never convenient to be locked into being stupid.
mircea_popescu: it is admirable to compensate for his ignorance or disinterest, to the perhaps extreme level of doing the hardware, and the os, and the http server and the php on top of it yourself, if you like the guy enough. more power to you. but it is still something of his, which even if delegated he still owns.
mircea_popescu: this is how a father acts.
mircea_popescu: it is contemptible and beyond contemptible to rely on his ignorance, disinterest AND COWARDICE to get him on a windowsesque thing which "works", and provided he's willing to adapt what he wants done to what the butons say, all will be well.
mircea_popescu: this is how a mother acts, and why kids have not much business with her past the age of about 10 or so, depending how retarded they are.
Framedragger: gotcha. (and agree). i still dream of easily-reproducible systems, though. but one way to abstract away the idiosyncrasies (of say wordpress) is exactly what you said: another person.
mircea_popescu: hey, i dream the same. but the truth is, until there's enough critical mass of those "another persons", there's no good way to fix anything.
mircea_popescu: theoretical fixes only work in theory.
Framedragger: well, i'd go so far as to offer some free support to taleb, unfortunately i'm not in his wot; will see...
mircea_popescu: until and unless, we're stuck doing the communion favour for each other, whereby the hope is that someone in the republic will be capable to summarize something you don't understand ; and you can trust he's not fucking you over in so doing.
mircea_popescu: because no, the difference between pete explaining in summary how the fuck cars got fucked and you giving the keys to working wp to taleb is not substantial.
mircea_popescu: what you've both done is - summarized a familiar topic for the benefit for foreigners.
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how working school fucking works, also.
mircea_popescu: and why kids ask "why" universally across time, space and culture ; and why idiots answer "because that's the way it is" out of fucking line.
Framedragger: sure. and that's the best one can have for the time being, and, *given trust*, it works nicely (dare i say, in a community-like aspect). and trust is unavoidable anyway and maybe the best instrument for civilisation. (also, need coffee)
mircea_popescu: no but it is. trust is the building block of both culture and civilisation, the ideal and real aspects of human society. reasoned trust (see phf's notion of recourse, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1592296 etc) builds republics and unreasoned trust builds empires.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-28 21:59 phf: Framedragger: it's always the same with you, "this online personality construct is great" "they do useful research" etc. until they publish "i don't believe in pgp" or really act in any way that you didn't expect. and then you don't have any recourse, because they are online personality constructs. how well do you know this "online researcher" if you ~having spent significant amount of effort to collect and upload ssh keys~ didn't even
Framedragger: right-o!
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599620 << bru hempcrete literally decarbonizes the atmosfear!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 04:10 ben_vulpes: papercrete!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599714 << i expect a coupla years of 0 expenditure drove the eventual 0 income☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:32 ben_vulpes: heh which reminds me: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee << zero income foundation carries on the zero asset legacy :P
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599715 << what are you talking about, there's plenty of cowardly women.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:34 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: which reminds me of a thought perhaps mircea_popescu can make better use of than i, given how it's been evading my grasp: why is it that you can have brave men and brave women, but cowards are all men?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599718 << are you kidding me, just look around. cowardice and periods are the biological female legacy.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:36 Framedragger: or more precisely, have there been no instances of such?
mircea_popescu: pro tip : take slut to party, have her take top off. all females in attendance that follow suit are class 1 ; all females in attendance that retreat to corners to gossip are class 2. class 2 is mostly cowards ; class 1 is mostly drunks.
Framedragger: aha. yeah you're right. this reminds me of when i made plans to sorta-jumpscare a guy by him being kissed by two girls, and the girls were all bravelike and c0mmitt3d until the moment came.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599719 << i have nfi, link for context ? i dun think i read it that way.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:36 ben_vulpes: it's not that women can't be cowards but that cowards (unqualified) are men.
Framedragger: but the side effect was my first ever threesome, so.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well then this isn't a proper measure. woman playing coy != woman being coward.
Framedragger: aha maybe.
mircea_popescu: if two girls that are close but the sexual bubble between them's not popped and they run into this guy at a party who looks kinda cool and interests them because maybe he's gonna do it but then he wants them to kiss this other guy they may just pretend to be going to do it to see if he stops them.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599721 < yeah, sure, which is how leningrad affair. laisses.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:37 ben_vulpes: best i have is that woman adapts and survives and man dies broken, fighting to the last breath
mircea_popescu: laissez*
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mircea_popescu: lol swiss isp
asciilifeform: 'Die Phinex Informatik AG bringt Ihnen mit groupware2go grenzenlose Freiheit und Unabhängigkeit zu einem top Preis.' >> lel
asciilifeform: did cryptoAG generate them modz for'em or wat.
mircea_popescu: they prolly imported a shitmodem
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: they fucking upgraded open dime specs as soon as mine arrived. so I sold it to some derpy trader.
asciilifeform: ...
thestringpuller: http://blog.opendime.com/announcing-opendime-v2/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599724 << dude what, whose gut wrenches because emancipated woman ? best i can tell everyone just gets massive erections.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:51 Framedragger: (that being said, and probably much against the aggregated views of this here forum, i don't really like this model. if 'emancipation of women' makes your gut wrench, consider that most men fail at fulfilling their model expectations. in .lt (where masculine models are very much in place), there are plenty of good, sensitive men who live very unhappy lives due to 'expectations'. this of course includes lots of unhappy gay people.)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it was in the logs
mircea_popescu: it's the inept children flailing AS IF they were women that get the inept child's lot, ie scorn.
mircea_popescu: and in unrelated pix, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3mg86FZnk1r6detlo1_1280.jpg
trinque: "make it look like a precious object" << wahaha go die
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592579 << thread!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 15:27 asciilifeform: vintage lulz ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542468 ) continued! >> http://blog.opendime.com/post/155026798632/announcing-opendime-v2-now-genuine-verified << 'we’ve added a special security chip, the sole purpose of which is to defeat any attempt at building counterfeit or cloned Opendime'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Coinkite factory holds the keys, so you own that factory you own Coinkite as a whole.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599727 << i'm with her. a woman may be assumed to be cowardly, and a black man may be assumed to be a thief, and an asian guy may be assumed to have a small dick, and if that works for you all the better. but it dun work in general, i don't think, nor in my experience. all children are born cowardly, all modern society tends to encourage it, the few who get out of infantilism aren't very gen☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 10:09 diana_coman: Framedragger, there is sex and there is gender; in other words, an individual woman can be more of a man than a specific, given man and the other way around;
mircea_popescu: der-biased.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this is elementarily true, but not especially interesting
asciilifeform: yes, 'anti-counterfeit' always and without exception means 'one official counterfeiter!111'
mircea_popescu: WE FIGHT FOR PEACE!
mircea_popescu: "and will you disarm at the end of the fight ?" AHAHAHA NO!
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar/ << oblig
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: maybe not interesting cause story always ends with some disgruntled employee running off on the plug with the keys
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mircea_popescu: ahahah.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599736 << and on reddit it's hard for a man to not be an idiot. and if you go swimming in the swamp it'll be hard to not be all muddy etcetera. butofcoars!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 10:12 Framedragger: in certain places, it may be unnecessarily hard for say a man to be 'feminine'. i think that's what i meant, not more than that
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599739 << slavegirls can and do live a pretty unhappy life because of master's expectations. this ironically happens the most with the best of 'em, because they tend to be very deaf to praise and very acutely tuned to reprimand.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 10:18 diana_coman: well, I don't really think someone can live a very unhappy life due to *others'* expectations; at most due to his/her own
mircea_popescu: this then follows in general, the average chump being a sort of windowsy emulation of a slavegirl, and without a master. so ends up reading feedback from /dev/urandom and interpreting it through a similar 50-50 => 1-99 grille.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, it sounds to me that their unhappiness comes from their own expectation that they are so very best, not from their master's expectations really; if it were from those, then *all* slavegirls would be just as unhappy
mircea_popescu: not exactly. there is some vanity in there, now and again, but the substance is just a sort of perfectionism.
mircea_popescu: follows from the personalization of the relationship to the divine. it's one thing to not manage to imitate the flight of the dragonfly, as michelangelo tried (and yes science is a reinterpretation of the relationship to the divine, doh, what else). it's another to not manage to do what the other guy tells you to.
diana_coman: it's not other guy, it's the master; to my mind the master was exactly the chosen god basically
mircea_popescu: yeah, but if he also speaks to you the usual contrition of the sinful is overpowering.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't mean "unhappy" in the 1850s manchester bereft-of-any-joy sense.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/yet-another-bitcoin-anniversary/ << Qntra - Yet Another Bitcoin Anniversary
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: diana_coman similarily, the life of the sane programmer is pretty unhappy. by comparison, java-machining-dotnet-etcetera dorks are very fucking happy, going from conference to conference to tell each other how fucking delicious the catered rubber chicken is, and how the 3 bedroom 1 bathroom atrocity is totally worth 1.3mn
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/built/build/ or something
BingoBoingo: trinque: ty fxd
diana_coman: I suspect "unhappy lives" was/is quite loose as a term
mircea_popescu: aha.
diana_coman: I'm very happy to not be "happy" in that way, lol
mircea_popescu: ikr?
mircea_popescu: "human happiness can not be a goal of policy, because the direct solution is also the correct one."
diana_coman: this is why I said it has nothing to do with outside expectations and what not really
asciilifeform: programmers who stay sane, at least in my experience, tend to be folks who are very disciplined re compartmentalization .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform compartimentalization is in itself a sign of insanity.
asciilifeform: programming as a profession is a form of contained insanity.
mircea_popescu: they said the same about romatic love!
asciilifeform: asking for mircea_popescu-style 'sane' programmer is rather like to ask for hygienic sewer repairman. if such a thing is possible it consists of cosmonautic-grade compartment sealing.
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear computizing has to be a sewer. but yes, for as long as one's stuck dealing with a large pile of broken solutions churned out by people who didn't understand the problem nor were aware of the fact...
davout: compartimentalization, aka shizophreny
mircea_popescu: well schizoid in any case.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599746 << yes, but you're civilised. consider one of the better depictions of the matter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R9Qiej-Tqo☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 10:23 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 <<< in my book, running away from a bank robbery scene if you can, qualifies as 'not being a moron', not 'being a coward'
mircea_popescu: also "not being a moron" ?
davout: please be more explicit, i fail to grok
mircea_popescu: is the guy being a moron ? (have you seen the film ?)
davout: i haven't
mircea_popescu: ah then that's why. so check out true romance (the tarantino cut plox) when you wanna watch something, totally worth it.
davout: i shall
mircea_popescu: and then we can revisit
BingoBoingo: !~google true trilema romance
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: True Romance (Tarantino cut) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/true-romance-tarantino-cut>; 18 So Cool Facts About ' True Romance ' | Mental Floss: <http://mentalfloss.com/article/68328/18-so-cool-facts-about-true-romance>; The Romantic Trilemma : An Existential Inquiry Into Modern Romance: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599723 << there is also a confounding set here: even supposing that you are an expert cut-throat, or whichever: why the fuck should you -- unpaid! -- die for ~a bank~ ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 09:40 Framedragger: yes, there is that model of a woman as someone who is expected to, and is bound to adapt in my mind, too. if she runs away from a dangerous bank robbery scene, it's to be expected. ties into the 'protecting children' function, too. unless she *explicitly* is a heroine.
asciilifeform: !#s die for hotel
a111: 2 results for "die for hotel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=die%20for%20hotel
asciilifeform: 'fiatola is no friend of mine' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)
Framedragger: in retrospect, it was possibly the most horrible illustration eva.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform man chooses his stand, how should i know what he decided to die for.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah you're pretty terrible at simile.
asciilifeform: illustration where nutter dies for a muddy puddle on the sidewalk is not very illustrative imho of anything interesting, other than possibly psychiatric case
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantially different from sidewalk puddles yo.
mircea_popescu: can spend your whole life sifting through puddles and sidewalks looking for that georgia that's worth dyin' for. but on its merits, it's not.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599771 << elaborate on threat model?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 14:48 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599692 << i'm not against it, but how do you handle the connection with some semblance of security ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, threat model. this is happening over the internet no ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the way i liked the original "send urls" was because then other people can see wtf.
mircea_popescu is in no terrible hurry to produce menny lines of code.
ben_vulpes: which "the connection"? from your machine to the bot machine?
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
ben_vulpes: and from external attackers? or to secure your box from whatever strange is on the vps?
mircea_popescu: in general :)
mircea_popescu: vps from my machine, my machine from vps, both of these from random internet soup. not to a standard higher than "post wwwform"
mircea_popescu: anyway, im going to town nao, so we'll continue later today.
ben_vulpes: aight later
ben_vulpes: fwiw i have a spiffy little minimal interactive lisp bot you can diddle the behavior of in toto from emacs
ben_vulpes: demo of the integrated lisp development environment if you will
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: ttyl
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << actually btcbase is broken in that respect. i keep filename from the first appearance, and then track hunk relationship through hashes only. which will break if there's hash collision☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599879 << despite hating this word (as a medical term, it's about as precise as "caught a cold"), i did use it today for the first time in a while: "technological schizophrenia" is the theory and practice of compartmentalizing/dissociating net use across multiple devices and connections to defeat the whole "google knows she's preggo before she does"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 17:05 davout: compartimentalization, aka shizophreny
ben_vulpes: why not just use other people's accounts, adlai ?
ben_vulpes: pollute the ingestion pipeline
ben_vulpes: get your girl looking at SAP ads
adlai: sure, that's one of the methods. this was in response to dude complaining that alphabets know who is, eg, studying up towards mass-production of HNIW; the precise response was roughly "be more schizo"
ben_vulpes: buy a set of old brittannicas and use tried and true blam tech perhaps?
adlai: it's just one example. some knowledge is too specialized to appear in general aggregations; and it's also way too easy to estimate who is germinating which ideologies if you have access to eg which news they read. anyway, i'm supposed to be prepping for my lab tomorrow... this is the fun one, where we dick around measuring boring stuff but end up with ice cream
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592656 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-09#1599926☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-29 18:38 mircea_popescu: much like if a boy's mating strategy consists of seeking out the places where no other boys go and waiting for girls to straggle in.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-09 19:52 adlai: sure, that's one of the methods. this was in response to dude complaining that alphabets know who is, eg, studying up towards mass-production of HNIW; the precise response was roughly "be more schizo"
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