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mircea_popescu: stupid fucking idea. the web shouldn't have been more luser friendly ; and linux shouldn't have been more luser friendly. nothing should ever be luser friendly.
asciilifeform: not that it ever was.
mircea_popescu: let the luser crawl into a ghetto and die already.
asciilifeform: only because ~human-unfriendly~
asciilifeform: *became
asciilifeform: there is nothing 'friendly' about poetteringola.
mircea_popescu: it is the natural evolution of luser friendly.
mircea_popescu: it's friendly to the government, which is the fundamental luser in all places.
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Perens was founder of No-Code International, which helped to convince the International Telecommunications Union, FCC and the telecommunications regulators of many nations to drop the Morse code requirement for Amateur Radio licensing. With the possible exception of Russia, all nations have now dropped that requirement. ' << lel
asciilifeform: ( https://perens.com/about-bruce-perens )
mircea_popescu: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/clique << bitrh of ubuntu
asciilifeform: morse, incidentally, is a skill that the 4th reich would quite like to see die out entirely. ohnoez, can't have folx communicating with low-tech radios, flash-lamps, through prison toilets.
mircea_popescu: not hard to bring it back
asciilifeform: if you know morse, you can send 1000km message with the pieces of ruined truck.
asciilifeform: or with mirror, to airplane.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as with many other 'not hards', it takes, mostly, knowing ~why you oughta~
mircea_popescu: what would the messages say, xoo xxxx xo oo ?
asciilifeform: depends, neh.
asciilifeform: on the scenario.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
asciilifeform: this is in re earlier thread re cpu, also. and the luser-friendly world. they want 'radio' to mean 'box with 1000MHz cpu and 1G of ram and shituntu linux' and not 'spark gap'.
asciilifeform: universally.
mircea_popescu: dude you can make a spark gap thing over teh weekend
asciilifeform: you can also make z80 comp over weekend.
mircea_popescu: if you have the ics
asciilifeform: you can get them from most 1980s car.
asciilifeform: (and surprising other variety of konsoomer tech. vcr, for instance.)
asciilifeform: the reich works in this case not by denying the parts to would-be builders, but in pushing the notion that, e.g., 'workstation' HAS to be a 4GHz wintel thing
mircea_popescu: iirc you were last pushing that notion here. and it didn't go far.
asciilifeform: (there ~is~ a certain bottom floor to 'workstation', defined imho by ability to build&run trb. but it is lower than '4GHz')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu disagrees with ^ ?
mircea_popescu: with which part ? i'm not really following
mircea_popescu: do you morse btw ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very badly!
asciilifeform: which part << 'a workstation is, minimally, something that can build trb and keep up with blocks'
mircea_popescu: aite. well i'm not terribly clear on what the idea is, but i also kind-of grew tired of clipping the junctures for sense, so i dunno.
asciilifeform: to possibly squeeze something useful from thread: as i understand, a lamport-based 'trb-i' ~could~ run on z80. ☟︎
asciilifeform: so in the end mircea_popescu may well turn out to be right about 'we can ~literally~ use 1980s devices.'
mircea_popescu: and the minimal bar for desktop is something like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
asciilifeform: ^ this is much spiffier than the box i typically sit in front of, ftr.
asciilifeform: but hm, possibly we had this thread.
asciilifeform: (i made a heathen box with massive 3d card, but so far have not used for ~anything.)
asciilifeform: in other, possibly moar interesting lulz, perens is ceo of 'legal engineering' co., which appears to have... no www site.
asciilifeform: at all.
asciilifeform: (did it ~ever~ have a www? is there some public record of said co existing, besides the d00d's say-so ?)
asciilifeform: http://perens.com/blog/2016/07/14/im-endorsing-hillary << and also.
mircea_popescu: in other news thios coffee im having is fabulous
mircea_popescu: iirc the "legal engineering" thing was an abortive attempt to "build upon" the "genius" of the "viral" gpl.
mircea_popescu: this was a massive dork wank thing a decade+ ago, where the zeks figured they're like totally owning society and the legal system and whatnot.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/rwB5B is all i found.
mircea_popescu: then they got settled down a little.
mircea_popescu: joe stack happened etc.
asciilifeform: http://www.legalengineering.com << apparently still up. but invisible to google !!
asciilifeform: like mircea_popescu's hash.
asciilifeform: (search for it all you like! it never comes up!!)
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, that we turn up 2 of these in 1 day.
asciilifeform: yandex fwiw finds it.
asciilifeform: 3rd hit.
ben_vulpes: 3rd hit for me querying for "we are the bridge between lawyers and engineering", but that's probably beyond the (s)cope(ing ability) of their filters
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i searched 'legal engineering' and 'perens'
ben_vulpes: yeah well i wanted to see how good the filter was, not how bad the search was.
asciilifeform: this one looks like simple domain ban (in google)
ben_vulpes: hey subject of perens, and then pixar, ritholtz' interview with lawrence levy is a romp
asciilifeform: might be interesting to set up a www catalogue of these 'holes'.
asciilifeform: (and take bets on how long until itself hand-banned from all known search engines)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: link?
ben_vulpes: http://ritholtz.com/2016/11/mib-lawrence-levy-cfo-pixar/
ben_vulpes: no idea if transcripts exist
asciilifeform: 'We discuss how Steve Jobs was on the worst run of his life, with a series of hardware failures (Mac, Lisa, Next, Pixar) and had been recently thrown out of Apple (1994).' << next was 'hardware failure' ??
ben_vulpes: eh, what does barry know.
ben_vulpes: or the interns at bloomberg.
asciilifeform can't be arsed to listen to tape
asciilifeform: not, at any rate, this one.
ben_vulpes: pipe to youtube, curl transcription!
ben_vulpes: ai!
mircea_popescu: pixar wasn't that bad
mod6: evenin
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
mod6: warmed up, now its raining and freezing. slicker than a minnow's dick out there.
mircea_popescu: bad for driving at any rate
mod6: oh yah. lol, could hardly walk down the driveway.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: afraid not. never had a problem with good ol' fashioned winter tires. or pick-up truck if need be. honestly not even sure what you'd use socks or chains for outside of the acreage.
ben_vulpes: eh i don't really fancy swapping tires every season, 'tis a 1-week twice-a-year sort of thing.
ben_vulpes: most of the city is iced in atm.
pete_dushenski: swapping tires isn't such a pain if you have them mounted on rims. but another whole big expense for that obv. the socks look neat. expensive ?
pete_dushenski: in other expenses, if you've ever wondered what a bitcoin atm in a major city (eg. mtl) clears, the answer is $1k - $5k cad / day. http://www.canlii.org/fr/qc/qccs/doc/2016/2016qccs5765/2016qccs5765.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHYml0Y29pbgAAAAAB&resultIndex=1
mircea_popescu: that's pretty bad innit.
pete_dushenski: given that the machines are $5-10k if you avoid the robocoin scamzors, and that commissions are ~8%, that's none too shabby if you can keep it up.
mircea_popescu: nah, iirc they threw the machines out if they dropped under 2-3k, and thgat was years ago
pete_dushenski: all you have to do is refill cash and coins for $5k/mo. have half a dozen machines around a city and you're doing well.
mircea_popescu: no, that's ot all you do.
mircea_popescu: all you do is watch insurance premiums soar ; and all sorts of little inconveniences of that nature.
mircea_popescu can't imagine anyone prices/treats these any differently from slot machines.
pete_dushenski: sorry who's the 'they' in threw out the machines ?
pete_dushenski: machine owners ? landlords with machines in their buildings ?
mircea_popescu: police departments with machine in their precinct, etcetera.
pete_dushenski: can't speak to insurance premiums, but one of the other quiet costs is dealing with noobtards wanting to buy/sell $20 of coin and can't figure out how to tie their shoelaces much less work slot machine
pete_dushenski: lotsa babysitting involved.
pete_dushenski: 'picking up pennies in front of the steamroller'
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: never heard of police taking pause with bitcoin atms around here
mircea_popescu: don't tell me canada is special and you don't have a police ransom racket somehow.
pete_dushenski: ok i'll keep it a secret!
pete_dushenski: depends where really
pete_dushenski: mtl, sure. winnipeg and westward, not so much.
mircea_popescu: well yes depends where. if you put the bitcoin thing in your shed in mississiauga nobody'll bother you. literally.
pete_dushenski: really, the prairies are bizarelly, truly insanely above boards.
pete_dushenski: board*
pete_dushenski: cops think they're carrying on the rcmp legacy. might bang some hookers or move some drugs but not shaking down small businesses.
mircea_popescu: aite then, i guess there must be some nooks and crannies where the 1k machine makes sense.
pete_dushenski: ya, i just happen to be in that spot. skews perspective.
pete_dushenski: anyways, cops can't stay above board forever.
pete_dushenski: these 5% yoy prop tax increases will come to an end, and when they do the budgets will start getting trimmed from above and replaced from below.
pete_dushenski: in other recommended security measures, http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/11/national/crime-legal/researchers-warn-fingerprint-theft-peace-sign/#.WH2XRyMrK2z
mircea_popescu: heh
BingoBoingo: From the Truefax department https://archive.is/tScCx
asciilifeform: 'LDAR - lay down and rot' (from BingoBoingo's https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/56bs95/incel_faq_read_this_so_you_dont_shitpost/ ) << genius
mats: TIL all of WoW's GUI is driven by XML and Lua
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/17/effective-government-regulation-of-bitcoin-in-china/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Effective government regulation. Of Bitcoin. In China.
mats: also, i learned of 'Amish erotica' today: http://www.newsweek.com/2015/05/08/fifty-shades-amish-strange-genre-romance-novel-324940.html
mircea_popescu: mats aha.
mircea_popescu: "I am a female incel. In 3 weeks I will be a 25 year old virgin. A socially anxious, insecure, overweight, suicidal, complete failure. I'm going to die a kissless virgin. I will always be poor, always lack traditional beauty, always be an obtuse person. Intelligence and grace will never come naturally. And despite years of positivity about myself and with some idea that I was unique and beautiful in my own way, I realize-- th
mircea_popescu: at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how! ☟︎
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: hey therer
thestringpuller: mats: yea. that's so people could mod the interface for raids and shit.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604233 << what's the implausible part ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how!
mircea_popescu: suppose you met an ant one day, and this and told you in morse code its whole genome. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: thereby you know you're asleep and dreaming. because the machinery that'd allow the item know its dna precludes it being ant-shaped ; and the culture it requires to know morse precludes it being ant-substance.
asciilifeform: ants don't eat pistols though. people -- do. so sometimes they decode enough of 'own dna'.
mircea_popescu: and if they do, they go put it on reddit.
mircea_popescu: you know, every guy in kresty dreams of one day becoming basically like us, with enough money to buy a round for everyone. and they think that if they did get the money, that's how they used it.
mircea_popescu: yet, from experience, loads of kresty alumni do get rich eventually
mircea_popescu: yet how many rounds are bought ?
asciilifeform: perhaps better than harvard.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
asciilifeform: there are indeed folx who quietly and decorously eat pistol, like gentlemen, without any reddit component. but because no reddit, there is no trivial telescope to see them through, and they do not leave 'good example' to those who must learn.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had an article about this.
mircea_popescu: it's altogether woman in question is going to eat anything. she's just as uterinely productive as any other viteline ; that she chooses to "have problems" is ultimately uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: altogether unlikely*
asciilifeform: uterinely productive ?
mircea_popescu: "Step 2. The state will maintain a fund for buying 18yo females for the puporse of populating the breeder farms - "
asciilifeform: i could think of many other animals i'd rather raise for meat
asciilifeform: but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: well that's you, yeah.
mircea_popescu: o look, the uterine / viteline thing dun work in english. aaanyway. "any other bovine" i guess.
asciilifeform: it'd be interesting to see what humans bred for 'long pig', 100+ generations, would look like.
mircea_popescu: in latin, vitellus (yolk, and such) comes from vitulus (bull calf). much like in german protein is "eggwhite" because... ALBUMIN
mircea_popescu: (yes, alb = white. in romanian and other languages)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so. the more I read from people like Emin (a "respected" academic) the more sad I become that education is now a scam. maybe its true. can't beat stupid.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: who's that
thestringpuller: http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/12/22/scaling-bitcoin-with-secure-hardware/ << this asshole
asciilifeform: snore.
thestringpuller: It would be snore for me too if he wasn't a professor teaching our kids nonsense.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try quitting reddit, it is better for you than even quitting cigarettes
asciilifeform: srsly.
thestringpuller: he's on more than just reddit.
asciilifeform: quite the 'on more' also then.
asciilifeform: *quit
thestringpuller: quitting school? sounds better every day.
asciilifeform: srsly mircea_popescu had a very good article, re how to treat charlatans
thestringpuller: In Aldous Huxely's dystopia misinformation takes over real education. What are you left with when all the real people die off?
asciilifeform: the cockroaches, the ants.
asciilifeform: and quite possibly the real people died long, long ago.
trinque: also left with your own hands, and whatever you've done with them
trinque: not to mention that socialist education was a net loss
asciilifeform: trinque has it. all that's left is your own hands. 'if not you, then who' etc.
thestringpuller: dark ages 3.0
mircea_popescu graced the subte (subway) today. the advertising is something else! "pizza #1 por cantidad the queso por porcion".
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, why not buy some cheese if that's the criteria.
mircea_popescu: "this grana padano slice is the "pizza" with highest cheese per portion content ever : 100%"
asciilifeform: relatedly, i found that streets of odessa are all on 'google street', and discovered that ~every single cafe there is a mcdonalds now.
asciilifeform: and also that there is a ~monument of steve jobs~
mircea_popescu: heh. dorks.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did.
asciilifeform: ( was ~6 wks. old beast, and already very sickly when found. fed antibiotic, liquid food, etc. but no dice. asciilifeform will not be changing professions and running a zoo, nor a circus. )
asciilifeform: but i still have the fleas. so i suppose i could open flea circus.
mircea_popescu: you still have to train thsoe.
Framedragger: oh hm - commendable efforts asciilifeform, sad outcome :(
Framedragger: https://archive.is/Z6JDu << gabriel_laddel_p's "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem", finally found time to read through it, not bad. guess it's been discussed before tho
Framedragger: !#s realistic solution
a111: 10 results for "realistic solution", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=realistic%20solution
Framedragger: i liked "incidental sexpr", too >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-09#1267282 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-09 05:01 trinque: started with math, said "what if we didn't have any order of operations except those explicitly stated, and also "wtf re: infix anyway?"
hanbot: asciilifeform's feral cat appreciation nodule would prolly enjoy the pobrecitamos shore here (found only recently because super labyrinthine/unmarked pedestrian access). penniless 'fishermen' sit on concrete stumps and occasionally pull up ~minnow, cats abound, waiting for 'might as well throw it to the cats'. nevertheless they manage to be very skinny, and fairly confused.
mircea_popescu: lol pobrecitamo is quite an apt to describe the local retard.
mircea_popescu: "small big poorhead"
asciilifeform: there are fishermen in buenos aires ?!
asciilifeform: that water looked like bmore's, mostly sludge
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: how can anything live there.
hanbot: "thing", "live"
mircea_popescu: here's a pro tip : the "vida de noche" etc fashionable resort is "mar del plata". from reports it's a) all fambly beach, very densely populated, NO PARTIES and b) deeply contaminated with sewage. they don't care.
mircea_popescu: will waddle through the characteristic ocre brown of sewage. soberania, argentina no es un pais pobre, etcetera.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my last summer near the black sea, there was ~no beach, closed, sewage.
mircea_popescu: you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage.
mircea_popescu: MILES.
asciilifeform: hanbot: no wonder the cats are thin, if they eat sludgefish
mircea_popescu: no development in sight, 100 feet to a highway. they put the fucking highway by the ~best land in town.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the depths of argentina imbecility can either be comprehended or described withouy a multi-year commitment. it's just a different planet down here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: t. dalrymple once wrote about a beach in liberia, where the locals would not even bother to build a latrine, just shat in the sand
asciilifeform: so perhaps similar.
mircea_popescu: anyone seriously looking for practical proof re the whole race-intelligence nonsense is invited to spend some time in buenos aires doing anything. start a bakery, i don't care.
mircea_popescu: the ivy league of argentina is not qualified to populate san quentin.
mircea_popescu: they're all white, but without exception the stupidest people i ever met.
mircea_popescu: and i met 1980s russian proletariat and whatnot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i saw quite a few old-fashioned greasy mechanic shops on the streets of b-a
asciilifeform: and my own mechanic here in monkeystan is from b-a, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: and i saw a bunch of parrots squeaking reveille.
asciilifeform: so perhaps that's one surviving culture.
hanbot was also harassed by uppity old women while trying to feed actual salmon scraps to local feline. it's enlightening, inasmuch as one realizes places that kinda suck for humans really suck for animals. you'd kinda hope cat > zombie but it just doesn't work out that way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it most pointedly it's not. see the noise discussion, where was it
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu could have his 'chaika' fixed somewhere in b-a
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1576008 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 20:49 mircea_popescu: it was long a low level puzzle this, "seriously, 2010 toyota sounds LIKE THAT ?!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orc mechanics naturally don't use original parts.
asciilifeform: (where would they get'em ?)
asciilifeform: hanbot: what did the old woman want
mircea_popescu: in the fucking shop ?
mircea_popescu: orc mechanics DO ATTEMPT TO CHARGE WHAT ACTUAL MECHANICS DO!
mircea_popescu: they think this is a country! that they should get rents! and salaries! and be paid! holy shit ?
asciilifeform: what can i say, i live in one of those also.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/postcards-from-retardistan/ << 2nd picture. orc real estate agent steals the windows and tries to charge what they do in miami. they're not simply orcs, not here.
mircea_popescu: "why shouldn't this be just like miami ? it's hot and by the water!" "yes, but miami is mostly party sluts and rich old jewish ex-party-sluts ; wheres buenos aires is the world's largest open air feebleminded reservation." "so ?"
hanbot: asciilifeform: she wanted to be important, i imagine. you shouldn't feed fish to cats, don'tchaknow, cause what if that's not what's good for them. this, ofc, buried in metric fuckton of babbling, todo biens, etc. i'm honestly ashamed i didn't outright sock her one. i end up questioning whether i've a moral imperative to massacre almost every time i venture out by now.
asciilifeform: hanbot: at least in this respect, my monkeystan wins. my neighbours actually compete with me for cat-restaurant attraction.
asciilifeform: but some folx get carried away, my next door old woman turned out to be 'cat hoarder', ended up in hospital somehow, and her relatives called in the d00dz in gas masks and chem suits
hanbot: fairly difficult for me to judge which state of affairs is sorrier
mircea_popescu: it's a thing with old women. classical witch with her cat is not exactly coincidental.
hanbot: why is it always cats, anyway? why not...butterflies? crystals? succulents?
mircea_popescu: cat is a preditor. the old woman is ~ a farmed animal, roughly in the sense of the afids ants keep.
mircea_popescu: yes there's a lot of cats to the crone which superficially contrasts the lots of sheep to the shepherd, but that is driven by the relative size not the actual relationship.
mircea_popescu: weasels lick blood and cats lick old women.
asciilifeform: now this is interesting, and has weight, because i actually envied the old woman her ability to get the cats to come indoors
mircea_popescu: you don't look like a sheep, even if in costume, mr wolfislav.
asciilifeform: evidently.
trinque: gotta wonder what role toxoplasmosis plays in the hoarding.
trinque admits *wanting to* find that infection drove these creatures to live in animal shit
asciilifeform: the problems of the cats are a scale model of the problems of the inhabitants of modern socialist monkeystans
asciilifeform: they congregate, unnaturally, around the concentrated (and typically quite unhealthy) food sources
asciilifeform: just like city dwellers.
trinque: "thing that ought to have died"
asciilifeform: when carnivorous beast lives in the forest, where it belongs, elementarily its population does not explode grotesquely as in old woman's basement etc.
asciilifeform: (it will, as is well-known, cycle, but not to absurd density of 'hoarder')
danielpbarron has 1 tame and 5 wild felines
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage. << Just like Murican cities!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did. << I usally bury dead critters found on premises as well. Just keep them out of the compost.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually i found this one a few blocks away, on a walk. spent considerable money and effort in attempt to grow it. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Ah, I usually don't see too incredibly young ones. Most often dead critters I find are smaller ones that seem to have been "cat entertainment"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in quite other non-news, apparently there is a ru clone ( http://oao-ka.ru/Vremennyj_katalog/Kanal_nye_shifratory_konfidecial_noj_informacii/APPARAT_ShIFROVANIJa_POTOKOV_CIFROVOJ_INFORMACII_SA295-1___KORD-KM__.htm ) of usg's 'taclane' channel cipherator.
asciilifeform: and it is even made by modern descendant of solzhenitsyn's famous employer.
asciilifeform: in other non-news, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/824E48D75383F65BF17D4C0103619CA0085F767E << a very, very busy usg beaver.
Framedragger: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html?_r=0
trinque: is this precedent for chopped off dick == pardoned ? ☟︎
trinque: seems entirely apt.
trinque: they should streamline this into a state-sanctioned rehabilitation program.
Framedragger: meh. dropping the whole 'all this is mayongenderism omg' forum kerfuffle, you think gender played an actual part here? :) ☟︎
Framedragger: dropping for a bitŪ
Framedragger: for a bit*
trinque: I don't think you realize the politics behind it.
trinque: !#s dulap
a111: 210 results for "dulap", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dulap
trinque: ^ oblig
asciilifeform pictures a future mircea_popescu novella, 'dulap archipelago'
mircea_popescu: o hai
trinque: afternoon!
Framedragger: will honestly review. i don't want to appear completely naive here
mircea_popescu: trinque effects of toxoplasmosis is somewhat well studied. for one thing it's very prevalent. for the other, it DOES affect rat behaviour.
Framedragger: i have to share this 'cause it's lulzy: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/at3ds/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: but https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2526142/ etc
mircea_popescu: survey study, "Consistent and significant differences in Cattell's personality factors were found between Toxoplasma-infected and -uninfected subjects in 9 of 11 studies, and these differences were not the same for men and women."
trinque: also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-24#1307026 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-24 19:25 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read.
mircea_popescu: oh speaking of schizophrenia, anyone seen the film i watched last night and which is quite excellent on the topic but i can't rememeber its name ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read this (iirc, this very one) when it came out, and still question the arrow of causality here
mircea_popescu: ah, i'm not proposing anything of the sort, just giving some "stuff related", ie, that he's not entirely on his own
asciilifeform: (entirely plausibly, those with the described characteristics are simply more likely to pick up the microbe, rather than vice-versa)
mircea_popescu: or the cats. yep.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, after #chainstate ended up making people learn lisp, #eulora is now making people learn c
asciilifeform: everyone oughta know c.
asciilifeform: just like knowing how to use and clean kalash.
asciilifeform: it is an eternal thing.
jurov: except this kalash is c++
jurov: and the issue is null dereference in destructor
asciilifeform: aaah, that's not a kalash at all, but american m-whatever-with-shit-bolted-on-the-sides.
mircea_popescu: stop hatein!
ben_vulpes: crazy shit stick!
ben_vulpes: what wrong with you!
mircea_popescu: dude is learning difference between data and pointer to data, it's all good.
mircea_popescu: oh and also "danielpbarron> why would adding a declaration like this cause it to crash? apparently some other change i made that works without crashing on its own conflicts with this somehow".
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's very good crash course.
Framedragger: truns out `diff` and/or version control are useful :p "what shit did i change..."
danielpbarron: yes i'm looking at the diff now
Framedragger: cool stuff.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what, your diffulator doesn't tell you about c declaration conflicts?
mircea_popescu: he's new omaigerd. give him some space.
ben_vulpes: why aren't you using llvm to crap out asts and diff those?
ben_vulpes: i have more bad ideas if you want some
Framedragger: SafeSpace<SafePointer> space(); ?
mircea_popescu: this should be expressed in comic panel form
jurov: xkcd surely has one
ben_vulpes: wait no what you really want to do is compile the binaries pipe them through xxd and into vi where you can compare them bitwise
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: admit, you just read about this on HN
ben_vulpes: or hm maybe store them as rows in postgres
Framedragger: that google girl did it
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: it's called a "topical reference"
ben_vulpes: i am occasionally au courant
mircea_popescu: put some topical ointment on it
Framedragger: it's fashionable.
ben_vulpes: xxd, a fashion item.
mircea_popescu: it standas for very very dork amirite
ben_vulpes: tar means tape archive
ben_vulpes: what other jewels can we dig up today
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
jurov: https://xkcd.com/138/
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes be seriouse.
ben_vulpes: i'm seriously kidding
ben_vulpes: oh wait hey did you know that fundamental lisp constructs are named after registers on ancient machines? omglzozol
jurov: ben_vulpes: that's deprecated, they are properly named #'first and #'rest
ben_vulpes: i have more shitty jokes from hacker news
ben_vulpes: wait come back
ben_vulpes: i'm not done
ben_vulpes: jurov: hipster
mircea_popescu: i don't think hacker news is cool enough to be here
ben_vulpes: jurov: that's just syntactic sugar
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575868 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:16 mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
jurov: looks like some NOx leaked from heathenchannel?
mircea_popescu: why, is time going by really really fast ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: drugs don't have any real effect
ben_vulpes: qualia are real
mircea_popescu: i'll never be fucking rid of that nonsense will i!
jurov: ben_vulpes: qualia are just registers on ancient machines
ben_vulpes: jurov: registers on ancient machines are just syntactic sugar for qualia
mircea_popescu: next some nut is going to go around pretending ousia are speaking to him. which is so much better than you know, plain old teddybears and doorknobs.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: my tulpa takes offense.
mircea_popescu: i thought you had a wife.
ben_vulpes: my tulpa, wife, wife-tulpa and tulpa-wife all take offense
mircea_popescu: japanese pillows strictly verboten in conjugal bed.
ben_vulpes: unspeakable conjugations
mircea_popescu: seriously, what happens if you get one of these to define the qualia-tulpa difference ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604359 << much to my loving pride, when we ran across very confused kitten on walk girl repressed her inclination to push for same. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 18:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually i found this one a few blocks away, on a walk. spent considerable money and effort in attempt to grow it.
Framedragger: qaulia-tulpa... ...so yeah, most of philosophy is just the effects of dereferencing language-originating concepts which don't have a reference. one finds random data, or barfs, and proceeds to mystify results :(
mircea_popescu: not most of all. but contemporary/english "philosophy" is entirely equal to chatter-of-bored-iran-housewives.
mircea_popescu: and for the exact direct reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it so happens that i like felines of all types. (they do not, however, like me much.) so i picked up the half-dead one.
mircea_popescu: i liked them to, but i don't go around picking them up on the criteria of how much they need me to.
asciilifeform: she ended up jimmy hendrixing (threw up and choked on vomit) , and various maneuvers incl. mouth-to-snout didn't help.
mircea_popescu: imagine if that's how it worked, you'd all be married! thrice!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah it is just that normally i can't catch'em
mircea_popescu: dude...
asciilifeform: beast usually runs away.
ben_vulpes: well there were the graveyard cats
ben_vulpes: you seemed to get along with those adequately
mircea_popescu: i had no idea asciilifeform was an incatcel.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't steal the graveyard animals, they belong to the nuns
ben_vulpes: i don't keep cats, you don't need to caution me about taking them home.
ben_vulpes: fleas, toxoplasmosis
asciilifeform: ah ben_vulpes is dog aficionado yes
jurov: asciilifeform: next time lick the anus, it helps digestion
ben_vulpes: bwaaaa
mircea_popescu: in felines, it does.
asciilifeform: jurov: lel
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, the beasts i keep find cats entertaining prey
asciilifeform: jurov: i did not go to veterinary school, did not know this algo.
mircea_popescu knows woman used to do it for jaguars at zoo.
ben_vulpes: child even would probably rend cat limb from limb within week
mats: wild cats are pests
mircea_popescu: that's kinda thesubstance of this thread yes.
asciilifeform: mats prefers wild rats ?
ben_vulpes: also pests?
mats: i prefer that my neighbors avoid supporting pests that annihilate the local fauna
ben_vulpes: i prefer extinguishing all fauna and covering the landscape in identical plastic potemkin suburbs
asciilifeform: mats: the pest next to whom all other local-fauna annihilators pale in comparison, is human.
ben_vulpes: filling water table with esoteric natgas extraction byproducts and lighting tapwater for lols
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604365 << they were hurr durring about how if he doesn't then nobody will for a while now. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 22:35 trinque: is this precedent for chopped off dick == pardoned ?
mats: asciilifeform: similarly, i prefer that my neighbors avoid supporting local homeless populations
mats: but thankfully this isn't such a massive problem as in, say, San Francisco, San Diego
mats: too cold.
asciilifeform: mats: it is quite like hanging out with d00d who runs a massive, 19th-c.-style 'hellish mill', spewing coal smoke, but objecting to the smell of his cigar.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-17#1604368 << "gender" has no bearing on the "indentity politics" construction of "gender". what mattered was that private bradley edward manning was with the usg.dos and against the usg.dod. as it doesn't look likely usg.dos will even survive the trump terms, let alone ever again come to preminence, they'll do anything. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 22:37 Framedragger: meh. dropping the whole 'all this is mayongenderism omg' forum kerfuffle, you think gender played an actual part here? :)
ben_vulpes: mats: this year's freeze killed some homeless people, to the endlessly amusing horror of many locals
mats: life ben_vulpes: why not universal basic income?!11
mats: er, ignore that prepended life.
mircea_popescu: wtf is ssi ? they already get ~700 a month
ben_vulpes: mats: sure, let's go for it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: folx with no post box dun get nuffin
ben_vulpes: definitely going to decrease the cost of living
asciilifeform: (see gabriel_laddel for instance.)
ben_vulpes: mats: so long as i get some, whatever
ben_vulpes: i am all for increasing social programs
ben_vulpes: increasing the national debt
ben_vulpes: employing and accustoming armies of bachelors degrees holders to a 'nice middle class life'
mircea_popescu: seems pretty much the only reasonable play. usg is beyond fixing, so steal as much as possible.
mircea_popescu: makes obama activity quite logical in fact.
ben_vulpes: accelerate the weimar days. let's go.
mats: a yes, the welfare recipient is a tru patriot
mircea_popescu: the patriot pointer was dereferenced long ago.
ben_vulpes: cut taxes, increase social benefits. raise the debt ceiling, it's not like it actually matters, what the government doesn't balance its checkbook like a household omg
mircea_popescu: the us had a "nationalization moment", when it attempted to become a nation (much like serbia did recently ; and got bombed for it by the same people).
ben_vulpes: just borrow more!
ben_vulpes: so easy.
mircea_popescu: the result was that the national nucleus got crushed.
mircea_popescu: and so there isn't such a thing as a patriot in that place since about the civil war, give or take.
ben_vulpes: mats: forgive me, but what's a "patriot" in this context?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every year in washington there is a parade of grim motorcyclists with long, white beards. they served in vietnam. and naive description could be 'patriot' but they have the specific patriotism of folx who sat in same jail together. specifically focus on 'missing POWs', parading with black flags with barbed-wire head, etc.
mircea_popescu: kresty group loyalty is not patriotism as the prison is not a nation even if you include its culture.
asciilifeform: aha. is the point.
asciilifeform: it is the only kind of 'patriotism' in usa.
mats: ben_vulpes: a person that loves their country!
mircea_popescu: most everything down there is cheap plastic copy of yurpean item huh
mircea_popescu: mats and what is a country ?
asciilifeform sings, 'с чего начинается родина...'
mircea_popescu: technically : a patriot is a person who is willing to die in order to keep people who don't belong in his country out of his country.
mats: i thought i was a patriot for a stretch.
mircea_popescu: love dun so much enter, the notion is fundamentally self-abortive ; and there's no "for" as such.
mircea_popescu: i actually became a patriot with the invention of tmsr, whodda thunk it. i never thought i would care enough.
ben_vulpes: !!up agustin
deedbot: agustin voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: WHO GOES THERE
agustin: Just curious.
ben_vulpes: ohai!
ben_vulpes: welcome, then.
agustin: hey :)
agustin: Thank you very much.
ben_vulpes: you have a gpg key?
ben_vulpes: agustin: ^^
ben_vulpes: anyways, mats, pretty sure that us lost 90% of our generation with the "don't let the terrorists win! keep buying shit! and supporting Our Great Corporations!" at the tail end of 2001.
mats: you mean you didn't believe Krugman when he said Debt is Good?!
mats: anyway, this is a bit circle-jerk-y, so ill stop
ben_vulpes: who?
mircea_popescu: fucking quisman. there's always a bunch of these, and then they pretend to history.
mircea_popescu: "we said the exact thing that someone was going to have said anyway in those circumstances and this should be recorded with a name associated." dude... why the everloving fuck already.
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: one point of contact at $bigcorp's name was actually quisling
ben_vulpes: hysterically apt.
mats: now that POTUS has commuted Manning's sentence, i wonder if Assange is going to come in, as per https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/819630102787059713
asciilifeform: eh, harmless pederast pardoned today does not mean actual ENEMY OF ZE PEEPLE pardoned tomorrow
mats: i'm not headed there, just curious if he's going to fly into us for trial and anal soldering
ben_vulpes: "b-b-b-but i didn't siiiign that tweet!"
agustin: I have a gpg key now.
jurov: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html
jurov: “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”
jurov: etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: mats it is a "maximum damage" strategy, isn't it.
ben_vulpes: agustin: you want to then register per http://deedbot.org/help.html
ben_vulpes: but before you do, please ensure they key does not expire.
ben_vulpes: the*
mircea_popescu: jurov "Mr." is rapidly becoming the superlative of that whole string with "embattled" and "controversial"
agustin: The key does not expire I created it that way.
mircea_popescu: good choice.
agustin: on my way.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, esp. in light of recent ipv6 crapolade 0day in linux kernel, https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg100329.html :
asciilifeform: '... the demonstrated fact that they are unwilling to make the well documented changes to deploy IPv6 because they simply refuse to make a change, or to learn something new. ... In the beta version of Windows XP I made sure IPv6 was ON-BY-DEFAULT, with no knob to turn it off, because I knew that given the option enterprise administrators would turn it off. I lost the battle in the shipping version though, and sure enough the first
asciilifeform: things that showed up on search engines were instructions for how to turn IPv6 off.'
jurov: i recommend clicking next by thread, it only gets lulzier
asciilifeform: i did, it was glorious
asciilifeform: e.g., 'demonetize IPv4 addresses and the problem will solve itself. there is financial inertia on the side of retaining v4 only stack networks.'
asciilifeform: these are ~exactly~ the 'we missed the bitcoin train!111 rewind the clock!' folx
agustin: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BTyZE/?raw=true
deedbot: 708F90EFE1A32427B6B5A131E347DD5E18F190C6 registered as agustin.
mircea_popescu: ayup
mircea_popescu: solving "scalability" problems that only exist in their nutty heads.
ben_vulpes: !!rate agustin 1 can follow instructions
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/LR0Jf/?raw=true
asciilifeform: or how about instead we 'demonetize' their princeton degrees. or 'scale' them.
mircea_popescu: yeah im also quite impressed. who are you an' what do you do agustin ?
asciilifeform: or their suburban cardboard boxes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but we already have, so there is that.
ben_vulpes: !!v ED367D99B8EB14ADF4882A0C63D1CC6CD78D1FC51F82394E54F1364BE5669B6D
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated agustin 1 << can follow instructions
ben_vulpes: agustin: ready to up yourself?
ben_vulpes: "we blamed the operators. we blamed the cpe vendors. we blamed the router vendors. and now we blame the users. it's always someone else's fault."
ben_vulpes: i will take delivery of the lols, tyvm