mircea_popescu: anyway, the exact way to apply luby to it prolly can take more thinking. but hte idea certainly has merit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re ^ : romanian mythical-hero math professor (moisil) famously allowed students to pick questions.
mircea_popescu: however forcing one to keep A PORTION of blockchain is not altogether a bad outcome ; it is better than the current "forces to keep nothing -- and they provably, as historical fact, DID NOT!" and through lubby ensures blockchain is never lost.
mircea_popescu: to make it perfectly clear -- the reason blockchain still exists today is not the 2015 miners.
danielpbarron: is it possible to do a lossless pruning on this lubby thing? say some chunk of data kept in an early blk.dat can be removed and the whole thing still verifies because the missing piece can be re-produced from data in more recent blk.dat ?
danielpbarron: and if you ever decided to mine, you could use what you have to make the rest
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:56 mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
mircea_popescu: lenin, as well as everyone else, can still be admired exactly as they were
mircea_popescu: incidentally, a non-amounts coin is by definition unfungible.
danielpbarron: that's where quality comes in. perhaps you can mix old coins with new and the result is somewhere in the middle 'age' wise. and when coin's quality reaches 0 it stops existing
mircea_popescu: not a bad piece if i do say so myself. but yes, perhaps that's what it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 00:38 mircea_popescu: and an apple costs a fortune.
mircea_popescu: all the weird, pointless random shit on trilema that has nothing to do with anything!
PeterL: while we are talking about things to stick in TRB-I, how about lowering the block size by an order of magnitude or so?
PeterL: decrease the total disk usage, and improve the txn fee market, win/win, right?
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ben_vulpes: in other truly top notch lols, "Moreover, the executive order forces Oregon to violate its own laws against discrimination, frustrating Oregon's sovereign interest in providing a welcoming home to people from all over the world"
ben_vulpes: oregon is a sovereign, dontchaknow! has...interests!
BingoBoingo: 4 srs though, Oregon was founded to explicitly NOT be open to all
ben_vulpes: those interests are pretty much providing a home to the royal sons of whereverthefuckistan, and effete boys with which they frolic
deedbot: bobbie_pasta voiced for 30 minutes.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: how do you imagine tx fee working with "mining is a bug" ?
mircea_popescu: yep. i vituperated against the nonsesne in the 2011s, because well, nonsense.
mircea_popescu: quite. there's 0 incentive for people to stick to a chain otherwise.
mircea_popescu: people fail to correctly comprehend the batshit insanity that is an unorderd bag because common reality graciously provides default orderings in all cases
mircea_popescu: and timekeeping for free doesn't seem to be a tenable proposition.
mircea_popescu: not even the marine chronometer dudes aimed to make it COSTLESS
mircea_popescu: it's not clear what the meaning of "coin" is supposed to be without the owner.
mircea_popescu: otherwise this too much resembles the ai problem of thought();
mircea_popescu: there is no sane way to lay claim of ownership to random strings
mircea_popescu: and no, "i was the first to mash 1 into the kbd eighty-nine million times" is not it.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the sum-total intellectual output of tardstalk "bitcoin theory" thinking for 2011.
mircea_popescu: whether stuck or not remains debatable, but what's certain is that this gal's going straight home from the battered women shelter.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. same way everything is done that we don't know how to do.
danielpbarron: some clicks in eulora, you have no idea what comes out and most of the time you don't like it
shinohai: Eulora is the perfect engine of the cardinal rule of unfairness.
danielpbarron: that isn't to say there aren't ways to find clicks that work well, or that in the long run the seemingly bad ones don't pay off
mircea_popescu: note that boats never became currency. almost everything else did.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear the notion oflbock is actually useful outside of "no hash per tx" sort of collectivism.
mircea_popescu: a block is like a bus - eschews the need for every child and woman to maintain an engine.
mircea_popescu: no, because you may require txn to include previous txn.
mircea_popescu: there's no rule that this space fortress must seat > 1.
mircea_popescu: each txn gets its difficulty coins on top of whatever.
mircea_popescu: 1 btc input 1.1 btc output 10mn difficulty txn checks out.
mircea_popescu: monetary mass at all points = aggregate difficulty to date. it's even (sanely) inflationary.
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : both the "conservative" and the "nazi" candidates to french elections are being prosecuted by the "state" socialism for hallucinated misdeeds (they hired family members as assistents fictitiously|!11). the influence of inept obamaism and his kidnapping of french candidate last time around clearly left no scars, hurr.
mircea_popescu: they're both pissing on the french legal system, of course. obviously trump left no marks either.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which last bit, you should see how vocal macri is these days! he's suddenly found himself very opinionated and shit!
mircea_popescu: everyone's on all fours after the republican electorate, somehow. INEXPLICABLY, i guess, because trilema rather than the new york times told them to, and of course everyone listens to one of those not the other!
mircea_popescu: no. they wanted sarkozy, and figured taking him out would help. taking him out propelled a) hollande and b) le pen.
mircea_popescu: neither of these are good, and in any case the us' days in europe are numbered. trump is mostly saving face with all the rhetoric.
mircea_popescu: sounds just about inept enough to have come out of the dept of state sewing circle.
mircea_popescu: this is so naive i'm not going to entertain it. let's get back to cryptocoinz naivites.
ben_vulpes: can anyone recommend a paper or book with a rigorous definition of "computationally secure pseudo-random number generator"?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 22:04 asciilifeform: it keeps coming back
mircea_popescu: they are discussing "how easy it is" and mislabel it as "how hard it is". but at no point is their discussion actually about how hard anything is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the value of a winning lottery ticket = the value of the prize. lucky guys are worth money.
mircea_popescu: the entire story of the "olympiad problems" (the fly between trains thing et al) is a fine indication of just how hard this sort of thing is, irl.
mircea_popescu: which is why "solve problem x" is undergraduate work ; prove solution is optimal is lifetime work.
mircea_popescu: in other news im reading this hemingway interview and why the fuck was this guy such a dork and why does he only go out with ugly women.
shinohai: I recently watched that new Hemingway movie .... it was mildly entertaining.
shinohai: Coulda been the rum that made it palatable though.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ty, mircea_popescu's line that '(I suspect USGtards would call it a "PRNG")' had me thinking in that line
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this discussion vaguely reminds me of pound
mircea_popescu: "i will know what part of poetry can NOT be lost in translation."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news im reading this hemingway interview and why the fuck was this guy such a dork and why does he only go out with ugly women. << Beer goggles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> new ? hasn't he been dead for 50 years ? << Ate an abercrombie and fitch shotgun, likely movie about the guy
mircea_popescu: but pound didn't drink and did you see what fucking chinplowers he hang out with ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they even make these women that are half chin.
mircea_popescu: are you suggesting they're trying to capture more torque from environment ? adaptative megalochin ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Maybe hemmingways select womyn for chin, because easy to turn off when aggitated?
BingoBoingo assumed WPA was routinely MITM'd for what it is
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:23 asciilifeform: much of academitard 'cryptography' is an elaborate dance around the fact that nobody knows, publicly, of any solid axioms that were unknown to von neumann.
mircea_popescu: it seems altogether unlikely this particular truth will come out of more futzing with algebraic strucutres
mircea_popescu: but the lazy just won't let go of the holy ring. the idle complification, towards vector spaces, latices et all is just the toil of avoiding doing any work.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in random lulz re the luminaries of this so called english literature and their chinxcavator belles : ezra pound had some 23yo named dorothy dropped on his head by her mother ; he also was fucking olga the violinist, who some friends dropped on his head when he was complaining he's been in paris for months and doesn't even have a mistress.
mircea_popescu: olga got caught, and delivered a daughter in summer 1925, which she didn't really feel like raising. ezra told dorothy later that year ; she left for egypt *by herself* and came back next march. pregnant.
mircea_popescu: by you know, the rich mother of the wife-slut. other kid (mary) grew up without shoes in the house of a peasant, who was paid 20 bux a month for it.
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mircea_popescu: there's this nonsensical view that recently-expired patents are better tech because you know, "newer" (than older expired patents, presumably, for whatever sense this makes)
mircea_popescu: on the face. there may be some merit to it in that : a) the chinese are mentally dull. i mean this specifically in the sense of chinese born baby ~= piece of furniture, funcially incapable of either finding a novel idea, evaluating it, or figuring out off own steam that should do this ; b) the euros are cuckolds. this means they're less likely to consider idea if the womenz boo hoo than if the womenz don't boo hoo ; c) the wo
mircea_popescu: menz boo hoo certain things, so satoshi ends up following.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what means "giving back the yet-unfucked-once ping back to the late von neumann"?
ben_vulpes: the other day, one of these wha ads streaked across my vision and i was amused at how /female/ the campaign is
ben_vulpes: "in the pussy? in the mouth? in the butt? YES."
ben_vulpes: cracks in the edifice of ideological hegemony are starting to show, though: "You have the choice between standing for a cause or standing against whoever disagrees with you. One choice may result in a boycott. The other can build a bridge."
ben_vulpes: "tearing libtards arms off and beating them to death with them since before you quit facebook"
trinque: remember that country that cared whether a breakfast cereal company had a political opinion?
ben_vulpes: i like my highly-refined corn byproducts generously seasoned with WOKE
ben_vulpes: it's how i differentiate myself from the basket of undesirables; their hrcb comes with penises which is just i can't even
trinque: in other news, BingoBoingo's deed txn 771d53910d31b6cc038d457f57579ef60da9b29271a6e5f82df0ec8e9e32c50b has yet to confirm. I might have to increase deed fee a tad.
trinque: this is shocking because I hear there's no fee market!11!1
mircea_popescu: been in business for what, 50 years, NEVER did anything above "the Random Q Nobody Highschool 10 Year Reunion" complete set of flyers + leaflets PLUS those napkin paper rings!
veen: they're on the map here for the 'planned parenthood by any other name' campaign
mircea_popescu: they're on the map in new york as "those dumb broads from almost west coast". at some point people were writing fanfic they're so ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: trinque> this is shocking because I hear there's no fee market!11!1 << zing
mircea_popescu: veen you'd think the god damned bears of yesteryear would fucking shave before going within inches of a glorified lawnmower
mircea_popescu: their mommy gave them that bush and by god they'll take it to paradise via the retirement home!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am but a lol-sniffing pig of the web
mircea_popescu: o look, i can read the stuff from the chan on websites a few months later now! well done team andreesseen! totally made a difference!
mircea_popescu: "This article was written hastily, and I don’t want to further improve it. You’re lucky I wrote it. Therefore, I may provide some facts without source links." << i lolled. and also lost interest.
mircea_popescu: not entirely terrible early 1900s parody of early 2000s hollywood
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's about a girl who can't take seriously any online dweebs who attempt to immitate her style without comprehending the substance and under the guise of a very thin excuse omit to address their thanks plainly. or something like that.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b