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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-26#1743205 << IPKVM, obviously. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-26 23:55 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927 << Loper OS - The Peculiarly Quiet Decline and Fall of the KVM
asciilifeform: for 4k?!?!!
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone uses kvm in the sense you use it.
asciilifeform: it's a box, that at one time was sold everywhere, and worked with the gear of the time
asciilifeform: 1 display <-> n comps
asciilifeform: with hand toggle
mircea_popescu: it's a box, which was once driven by the needs of people offering ISP services, which was consequently sold everywhere and which you picked up and used in your own way. meanwhile the people that drove the kvm item moved on, leaving you stranded. because how you use it and how they use it were never fundamentally the same, just briefly appeared that way.
asciilifeform: 0 to do with the isp item (ipkvm) -- wholly different gadget that suffers from misfortunately collided name.
asciilifeform: used to operate moar comps in a room than there is room for consoles.
mircea_popescu: not at all. kvm item appeared to serve the isp market, not the alf market.
asciilifeform: http://content.us.dlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DKVM4Ksidesitecore.png << conventional 1990s (vga) kvm, for reference. 0 connection to isp remote kvm
mircea_popescu: obviously 1990s tech will not reference 2010 tech wtf nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: that "conventiona 1990 vga kvm" EXISTS so that people in the noc can look at their god damned comps
mircea_popescu: not so you can do pcb layouting
asciilifeform: kvm apparently even deader than asciilifeform thought, if mircea_popescu managed to entirely forget that it existed.
mircea_popescu: jesus christ.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only place i ever used one, in the 90s, WAS IN DATACENTER. not at your fucking house.
asciilifeform: and yes i had massive one when i was a bofh. 32 holes. and yes these still sold.
asciilifeform: ( 32 vga hole. )
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu is right in re why the hand-cranked items sold today are still vga-only -- they are for use of gnomes, in the mines.
asciilifeform: ( why remote-controlled box is vga-only is not a mystery )
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: nobody even had a decent monitor in the whole fucking noc. half of them at that point still fuckling tandys or whatever the fuck bicolor cgas.
asciilifeform: today you'll see folx use rack mount lcd, slides out sorta like an oven door
mircea_popescu: yes, but not ideal (gotta go over to the box).
asciilifeform: ( if you ever wonder where surplus 1990s tft panels go -- they went to make these. )
asciilifeform: right, they're used for per-rack hand-cranked sweat -- sorta like those rack-mount rotary phones one sees in photos of old pbxen
mircea_popescu: i wonder if ppl even have any fucking clue WHY it's "~dial~ tone".
asciilifeform: folx who never pulsedialed -- likely not
mircea_popescu: comes, originally, when this newfanged tech was new and needed a name, from a different item that was common curriculum and meanwhile disappeared
mircea_popescu: the SUNDIAL.
asciilifeform: sundial still lives, wat
mircea_popescu: where ?
asciilifeform: there's one not far from asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: see if anyone can read it.
mircea_popescu lived this recently, very elegant vertical 1920s style item, on wall. "what interesting art" "it's a fucking sundial" "a what ?!"
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will say that modern anglo kidz dun laugh at the wrist-sundials in 'flintstone' cartoon.
mircea_popescu: (phone was new and needed name... in the 80s. the other 80s.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i say.
asciilifeform: nuts.
asciilifeform: but indeed goes back to subj of thread, asciilifeform is stuck with 1880s state of the art, i.e. plugboard, for switching console b/w boxen, in a room where there is simply nomoar wall to hang moar lcd onto.
asciilifeform: ( why not over ip ? well for starters not all of the boxes have nics. or run an os that knows what is a nic ! )
mircea_popescu: you know back in the day she worked for the usaf, chet had a buncha crap systems that had to interop, ended up plugging them all on a hunk of wood to switch manually ?
asciilifeform: i can picture.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing more perennial than 1880s tech, in the 1960s as in the 2010
mircea_popescu: back then everything came with its own apple-style keyboard etc, nothing fucking worked. subtly.
asciilifeform: i suppose the only thing remaining after 1880s plugboard is the final rock bottom : http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643498 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did you ever encounter the tale of 'подвиг радиста' as schoolboy?
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-25#643502 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-25 20:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: !#s ecaterina teodoroiu
a111: 0 results for "ecaterina teodoroiu", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ecaterina%20teodoroiu
mircea_popescu: ^ ww1 machinegunner woman.
asciilifeform: ( and i gotta disagree re 'nothing fucking worked, subtly' -- things fucking didn'twork ~honestly~ and in plain daylight. it's today that they dysfunction subtly.)
mircea_popescu: to hear the woman retell it, it was more a case of ww2 russian materiel, "we made a buncha duds so now we're gonna call this a new standard rather than throw them out"
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/M0rJY << notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: i thought youy'd like!
asciilifeform likes.
asciilifeform: 'Inainte baieti, nu va lasati, sunteti cu mine! Inainte! Razbunati-ma!' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: dja know how despicable faggots of the interwar (such as, eminently, bedwetter blair) were "indignant" at "the cruel and violent sport of boxing" especially because "of how it makes a minority of women behave" ?
mircea_popescu: fucking scum of all time, those are the only women anyone even wants!
asciilifeform: afaik just him, i know of no other source for the item
mircea_popescu: "not when anyone's three year old" "yes, well."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heard it pluriously, much like the whole "if men just went out to rape and pillage there'd be ANARCHY!!!1"
mircea_popescu: "and other bad things!!! all the bad things!!!"
mircea_popescu: or the exact equivalent, "if there were no state THE WORLD WOULD END!1111"
mircea_popescu: it's this diffuse mula-dom.
asciilifeform: i suspect some mentally weak folx have problems with abstraction. i.e. ~his~ 'world will end' and thereby somehow 'world will end'
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
mircea_popescu: arabs believed "if one doesn't believe in god, no matter which as long as one" world also ends. looked at me as you'd look at something thart crawled out of black hole.
mircea_popescu: "BUT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!! I USED THE JUICE!!!"
asciilifeform: similar reaction if you invite an american d00d into a house with no tv set ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'but where is it!'
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is the proper definition of divinity.
mircea_popescu: "spurious item which the superficial mind regards as the universal underpinning of existence"
mircea_popescu: usian can not comprehend existence unless tv explains it to him ("how does the news relate to me?!?!"), arab hasta have the allah basis, socialist needs the state to, conceptually, assuage his existential anxieties and so following.
asciilifeform suspects that sufficiently advanced cases of 'homo americanus' don't actually require existence to have, in their heads, an underpinning at all. but asciilifeform has not sufficient entomological field experience, to say if this is a thing yet.
mircea_popescu: je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothese a lot more radical than originally thought.
asciilifeform: wai wasn't that herr newton
asciilifeform: or did it happen that he actually said it in fr
mircea_popescu: laplace.
asciilifeform: that'd explain.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, he was "french newton"
asciilifeform: sorta.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the idjit pit, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18295
mircea_popescu: you're too hard on the general public.
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727334 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 19:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
asciilifeform: 'we're all out of prime rib, but wouldntcha like some maggot by the pound ? we have all the maggots you could use!'
asciilifeform: 'how is it not the same thing!'
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo counting down the days left of winter
asciilifeform: for BingoBoingo not so much left of this winter!
BingoBoingo: Aha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do you have a coup flying day set yet?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nope.
BingoBoingo: Still worried about .ro language write head, or ?
asciilifeform: it, and that ticker need to go some moar up.
BingoBoingo forgets alf has to care/feed/bed the pet
asciilifeform: pet is by far the easiest part.
asciilifeform: pet is a second pair of hands and in fact eats not so much.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "come play with me" (1977) is such a confusing piece of nonsense...
mircea_popescu: meanwhhile in healthy youth, http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4vrx26LgH1rvqneyo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9648
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat 4u box thing in the back..?
mircea_popescu: KVM!!!1
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743279 <- I had this with cypriots too; bbbut no tv? not *even* where you sit with friends? what do you do?? well, we...talk, you know; to be fair I've put that on account of youth rather than more generic rot but maybe I was wrong ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 02:03 asciilifeform: similar reaction if you invite an american d00d into a house with no tv set
mircea_popescu: few people can get through any social call without tv support. which is how they ended up invading bars etc.
mircea_popescu: !!up kjj
deedbot: kjj voiced for 30 minutes.
kjj: were withdrawls delayed because of the holiday weekend?
mircea_popescu: what withdrawals ?
kjj: I put in a request on the 25th. haven't seen anything on that address yet
mircea_popescu: yes but where did you put it ?
kjj: mpex.biz textbox as usual
mircea_popescu: ah. will look into it.
mircea_popescu: !!key kjj
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/19F1FBD703330401EE654DAB5D91317ED300C048.asc ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !!rate kjj 1 Ancient.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/nD0Nf/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: kjj you can now self-voice btw. send !!up to deedbot in a pm whenever needed.
mircea_popescu: kjj http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iNoOh/?raw=true ☟︎
kjj: thanks
mircea_popescu: my pleasure.
mircea_popescu: trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qrKUM/?raw=true
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/3i3U4 << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: 'Prague's High Court on November 24 upheld a lower court's ruling allowing the extradition of Yevgeny Nikulin, whom the United States accuses of hacking computers and stealing information from major Internet companies including LinkedIn and Dropbox.'
mircea_popescu: why the czech republic ?
mircea_popescu: o, right, teh cuntlets huh.
asciilifeform: that makes... 4th? 'вредитель' kidnapped by usg from 'neutral' cuntry this yr ?
mircea_popescu: bohemia never independent.
asciilifeform: troo
mircea_popescu: dood ~could~ have just sat his ass down in belgrade, bussed the hos in from prague
mircea_popescu: but no, gotta be dumb.
asciilifeform: belgrade not colonized yet ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i kinda dun see the "sorry, avion ti gori" folk upholding any rulings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P9rhc/?raw=true
trinque: mircea_popescu: sure can
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes that was pretty clear.
deedbot: kjj: gpg: error reading key: public key not foundhttp://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EMRuw/?raw=true
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: waiwat how's that work. to what did deedbot encrypt the message then ?
deedbot: kjj: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uJZQW/?raw=true
trinque: mmm apparently the correct key
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743327 << lol, dsa and elgamal !! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 14:06 deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/19F1FBD703330401EE654DAB5D91317ED300C048.asc
asciilifeform: and, bonus, sha1 flag for sigs
asciilifeform: a trifecta.
asciilifeform: and in 2012..
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : ~one~ failure of rng leaks entire privkey, in dsa. )
asciilifeform: sadly for kjj, as i understand he is stuck with this key 4evah, unless he wants to buy a boeing for mpex...
asciilifeform: moral -- measure seven times, cut once, etc. ( asciilifeform for instance is stuck with a 2048b rsa, at least until we finally throw gpg ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other olds, https://arxiv.org/abs/1501.00447v1
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-19#1347996 and elsewhere. ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-19 22:55 punkman: "I actually have two implementations of example malicious signers:  One produces non-deterministic signatures and leaks a 256 bit private key, to the holder of a specific public key and no one else, in ~33 signatures with very high probability (failure rate of 1 in 1000 for 33 signatures, around 1 in a million for 34). The other produces a seemingly RFC 6979 like deterministic signatures and
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in deaths: http://www.colorforth.com is now a link farm.
ben_vulpes: awwwww
ben_vulpes: nobody cares about dns records anymore apparently
ben_vulpes: also earthlink, bless
asciilifeform: https://colorforth.github.io/index.html << he moved to shithub, apparently.
asciilifeform: chuck moore's http://www.greenarraychips.com still alive.
asciilifeform: http://www.ultratechnology.com/color4th.html << text transcript of moore's speech re colorforth .
asciilifeform: 'I am utterly frustrated with the software I have to deal with. Windows is beyond comprehension! UNIX is no better. DOS is no better. There is no reason for an OS. It is a non-thing. Maybe it was needed at one time.' etc.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9515.0, vol: 15398.84215450 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9514.8, vol: 76883.33269031 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9469.9, vol: 3428.4299081 | Volume-weighted last average: 9513.22382425
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743362 << hopefully that's 2018. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 18:17 asciilifeform: moral -- measure seven times, cut once, etc. ( asciilifeform for instance is stuck with a 2048b rsa, at least until we finally throw gpg )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: o hey.
asciilifeform: ( each own ada compilationunit. )
asciilifeform: builds a static .a lib, linkable.
mircea_popescu: do what i did when i leaked teh wikileaks, set it to publish one per hour or such
asciilifeform: yea, could ( tho i imagine a serious reader will need somewhat moar than 1hr to follow along )
mircea_popescu: so whatever, 6/day
asciilifeform: the other notion is that each shot oughta be a vpatch from previous . so also vtronics practice.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea.
asciilifeform: ( rather than release of whole thing as 'born grown' genesis )
asciilifeform: it will make apparent what the logical structure of the thing is.
asciilifeform: ( which pieces make use of which other )
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: if it's worth writing, it's worth writing well. if it's work writing well, it's worth publishing well. if it's worth publishing well, it's worth reading. and so on.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743378 <- yay; I'll read! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
mircea_popescu: the cnat raed crowd of brogrammers didn't get ONE thing wrong. they got a whole list of things wrong (that they think is one single thing, but then again primitive man also has a single word for enemy, be it wolbachia, wolves or western men.
asciilifeform: currently asciilifeform is barfing over the fact that adacore's gnat is happy to build static 'independent library' .a while gpl gcc's gnat barfs ☟︎
asciilifeform: the latter is the source of 100% of the tears in the l0gz to date re 'it dun go'
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, rot or non-rot shows equally at all levels, so it's rather hard to get much of a mixture of either side of it
asciilifeform: i'd naively expect that adacore's item would be the satanic one, and gcc's fork -- the functional. but so far in no case was this the finding. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in other fake news / mass media lulz, i read in today's la nacion that bitcoin went over 8k usd, and that various nobodies leeching the tax chest opine as to how "items not backed by anything are risky".
mircea_popescu: somehow it's 2012 again and the item not backed by anything is bitcoin, not the various fiats.
mircea_popescu: "bitch, really, what is the united states dobaloo backed by ?!" "the full faith and credit of the us government!!" "you mean like... the webpage by that name ?!" "no no there's so much more to it than that!!1" "im sure."
diana_coman: to me it seems they rehash that ~every time it jumps up in price by 1k or so
trinque: can't wait to read, asciilifeform
trinque: and use
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ayup. but it's funny, you know, dude in a toyota going "hey mister, shitty imports are not reliable cars".
mircea_popescu: doh ?
mircea_popescu: you'd think it's sheer postmodernism, thief yelling thief and the dudes sitting atop piles of unbacked paper derping about how bitcoin is "risky because not backed by anything"
mircea_popescu: only thing to be backed by something out of the whole field. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (but it's cracking ; for instance the supposedly captured fmi is putting out notions of how countries should probably monetize bitcoin rather than other countries currencies. so dixit lagarde. who, i suppose, has been raping hotel maids in new york according to the usg suto dept.)
diana_coman: eh, it's postmodernism in the usual sense that "this word here doesn't mean what it means anymore but something else I decided"; aka "backed" now means as far as I heard "but everyday transactions happen still in fiat"
mircea_popescu: i'm all for it, too. let the pretend sovereigns pay for the cost of circulating monetary mass.
mircea_popescu: cuck wants to pretend, let him pick up the tab.
diana_coman: yeah, I just can't see the "logic" in that "definition" but not really expecting it by now anyway; perhaps it's more of "but this is what we know and it's been around for x years therefore it is solid"
mircea_popescu: o yeah totally.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should put up a video lighting cigars with benjies or something.
diana_coman: lol; those aren't plastic at least, are they
mircea_popescu: afaik still linen paper.
asciilifeform: light but dun inhale, thing is full of rare earths and nao also polymer crapolade
asciilifeform: ( would be interesting to burn it and mass spec, see exactly what inside. )
ben_vulpes: DRM violation alert!!1
asciilifeform: and what % cocaine
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743408 << what's it even mean for something to be ~honestly~ backed ? even in era when various paper moneys were theoretically 'backed in gold' what would have happened if million folx walked in to claim their au ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:50 mircea_popescu: only thing to be backed by something out of the whole field.
asciilifeform: as i understand it, whole idea of 'backed currency' is intrinsically chumpatronic.
asciilifeform: three modest warheads, together weighing less than a toyota, and usd worth ~0 in short order, regardless of by what backed.
asciilifeform: or if one insists : 1 sha256 collision on tx set, and btc similarly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform huh didn't consider that.
asciilifeform: ( see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709540 and possibly elsewhere ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 23:26 asciilifeform: we already established that a hash collision is asteroid event for blockchain.
mircea_popescu: i meant re the "don't inhale" part.
asciilifeform: oh yea
mircea_popescu: you can't light a cigar without "inhaling", goes right into it
asciilifeform: hence the observation.
mircea_popescu: aww pity.
asciilifeform: light a detcord or sumthing else useful and pyrotechnic.
mircea_popescu: whole point is to light something useless by burning something useless.
asciilifeform: then light the pyre with captured nsa stoolie or whoever is first candidate...
mircea_popescu: if useful pyrotechnics, i'd burn say voltaire.
asciilifeform bbl,teatime
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in old whore passing the whore torch to young whore, http://78.media.tumblr.com/bf711257d2423930babcd74671debfb9/tumblr_mi0oaslL301r2cjkwo1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: In other news, network switch has arrived, does fit in luggage
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun]
BingoBoingo: Checked bag to be clear, not carryon able
mod6: <+diana_coman> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27#1743378 <- yay; I'll read! << ditto ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-27 20:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've cut ffa into 30 pieces, each ~1 pg; -> bl0g article.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: meanwhile i bought ssds.
asciilifeform: in other not really noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-26#1743205 sparked pretty lively ( if inconclusive ) comment thread. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-26 23:55 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927 << Loper OS - The Peculiarly Quiet Decline and Fall of the KVM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to boil down to approx discussion here.
asciilifeform: ( amusingly, there is an nsa version : https://ipgard.com/product-category/secureswitch )
asciilifeform: in other older olds, asciilifeform finally dug up http://trilema.com/2011/poveste-trista-cu-ciobanesc-german -- because literally same thing happened to him in timis ! even same ~type~ of dog
mircea_popescu: jesus
mircea_popescu: those fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: should have to get a license to own dogs.
asciilifeform: german shepherd. and followed me around town, for hour+
asciilifeform: and stopped to poke head into yards, 'hey maybe they need a dog'
mircea_popescu: didja buy it a bacon "?
asciilifeform: proper, tall beast, with proper pointy ears
asciilifeform: nope, it switched to another d00d before asciilifeform got to where they have eats
mircea_popescu: them's da breaks.
asciilifeform: this was in the north-eastern part of town, with the old water tower
asciilifeform: ( what's the story of that thing, i did wonder, it was grandiose and entirely abandoned by all appearances )
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_1.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_2.jpg << subj ( and it dun fit in 1 frame, even ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'steampunk' monument.
asciilifeform wondered what it would cost to buy.
mircea_popescu: eh, the locals are retarded. there's a building right downtown, huge, ancient, derelict, standing there for decade+.
mircea_popescu: not sold because... they're poor and stupid, basically.
asciilifeform: whaddayamean 'a building', i saw 100s
asciilifeform: there was 1 even right by the hotel, the very next door. roof fell off ( i wondered how, there were what, hurricanes ? strong enuff to rip off steel roof ? ) and squad of metallists worked on cutting it to pieces, and carting away, whole time i was there
mircea_popescu: rain.
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: rain twisted 20 tonnes of steel roof so that i could see the underside ?
BingoBoingo: Many of these in Middle West along towns that were formerly rail transit hubs, architecturally grandoise for setting, but neglected and then fall
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that water tower is epic