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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the cuntbrain works.
asciilifeform: apparentlynot
mircea_popescu: it'd better not fucking BE transgressive. it has to just be transgressive, geddit ?
asciilifeform: transgressive(tm)(r) eh.
asciilifeform: 'learn 21 daring sex positions in 21 days'-sort
mircea_popescu: suppose you're 16yo girl. are you going to a) tell your mom you hate her, which is transgressive except for how she read you were gonna do that in a book when you were 6 ; or b) join isis so as to shoot your classmate in the face by the time you're both 24 ?
mircea_popescu: "she was a (((journalist))) (((working))) in irak, the dumb fucking bitch. man that wet thud of her brain on concrete was fucking satisfying, i went back into the foxhole and rubbed myself raw"
asciilifeform: my understanding is that even the isis candidates do it to get fucked well
mircea_popescu: mebbe
mircea_popescu: but it sure is ~actually~ transgressive, as opposed to expectedly.
asciilifeform: can count ~these~ on fingers of 1 hand.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: ( as in, chix went to break heads on own power, with 0 prompting )
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of orc techs, could oyu believe that schmuck in new york ? so... in preference of walking into gun shop, buying gun, killing half the town, this dude "made" bomb, which sure as fuck cost more than a walk-in in terms of effort and more than a grand in terms of dough, to... burn himself with it.
mircea_popescu: "i can scarcely apprehend the confusion of ideas" etc.
asciilifeform: approx as lame as most of the small arms people , who (with a few notable exceptions ) manage to put entire crate of ammo to waste and maybe injure 4 or 5
mircea_popescu: i can't conceive how this'd happen in times square
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : buy AP ammo, kill 4-5 per shot. op is a thing.)
asciilifeform: phunphakt, it's the cheaper type in usa
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: fmj 7,62 is what folx practice with
mircea_popescu: but seriously, metro! think about it, people line up to get in! and line up de facto once in! for like a quarter mile, like this! fire six bullets in enfilade, produce 50 dead and 500 wounded.
asciilifeform: 1 type of idjit copies hollywood shootout, wastes crate of ammo, kill 0-dozen . other type of idjit copies camelfuckollywood, builds pipe bomb etc , kills ~0
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
asciilifeform: both fundamentally same thing, however. mindless copy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the fucking fun that could be had. "buy gun, carry on person, use metro all day long, wait for a power outage where train goes dark"
mircea_popescu: or... wait for train to almost pull in, shoot, keep mental bets between your multiple personalities as to whether falling into pit from pressure of squirming mob will do more damage than gunfire./
asciilifeform: one could easily fill a thick book with these. ( in 1970s someone ~did~, but usg unhappened it and composed 'anarchist cookbook' full of items optimized to kill user )
mircea_popescu: anarchist jargon file of the elders of sinai hospital!
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: incidentally afaik in every major arson fire, stampede killed moar than smoke/flame
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: unavoidable.
asciilifeform: the derps can't wait to do ~themselves~ in.
mircea_popescu: which is why yelling fire more dangerous than setting fire.
asciilifeform: the rub is that typical 'postalist' is not a thinking agent, on a mission, but a d00d watching a sort of movie inside his head
asciilifeform: even the 'slow and patient' vegas fella recently.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: oh, that one especially.
asciilifeform: arguably 'had fun' but from a 'mission' perspective -- atrocious
mircea_popescu: it is a sad comment on the general utility and efficacity of "the state" that had the officious intermeddler "security guard" not intervened, dood probably would have watched the whole concert off his fence.
mircea_popescu: makes one wonder how many of these weren't disturbed by "security", never shot anyone.
asciilifeform: quite a few barrels in usa. most never speak.
asciilifeform: sit , instead, in a cellar, rust.
mircea_popescu: (also amusingly, nobody, not even a latter day tsp, dared make the obvious point -- moral assassin, the hotel guard.)
mircea_popescu: !~google 1986 miami shootout
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1986 FBI Miami shootout - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout>; The 1986 Miami Shootout : The gunfight that changed law ...: <http://www.guns.com/2011/08/24/the-1986-miami-shootout-the-gunfight-that-changed-law-enforcement-nationwide/>; 1986 Miami FBI Shoot Out - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D04dUCT-qO3c>
mircea_popescu: there's a list of cases where "attacked party produced more damage to attacker than sustained self". it's remarkably short, and it's remarkably tapering -- much more cases in the 80s than in the 2010s.
asciilifeform: if folx were going for actual efficacy, they'd be arming themselves with petrol-in-pressurewasher, or at the most high tech -- gasses.
asciilifeform: but nope. they are watching mental movie.
mircea_popescu: not really. problem with those is no range.
mircea_popescu: !#s die tired
a111: 6 results for "die tired", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=die%20tired
asciilifeform: not as if most of the shooters made use of max rifle distance.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: they've worked, typically, at musketry range.
asciilifeform: fire truck with petrol could cremate, theoretically, whole streets.
mircea_popescu: yes well. flamethrower effectual when enemy pinned down, such as in bunker, pillbox or clearing trenches.
asciilifeform: what's urban man if not pinned.
ben_vulpes: paging sergeant shaftoe!
asciilifeform: and what's a e.g. block of flats, if not awkward kind of pillbox.
mircea_popescu: the WTC made that point quite well.
asciilifeform: aaha
pete_dushenski: hola!
mircea_popescu: how goes
pete_dushenski: pretty swell, yourself ?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: as per teh logs...
pete_dushenski catches up
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749327 << BingoBoingo not sure i properly congratulated you on pulling the chute! digging the reportage thus far.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 13:20 deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/11/el-primero-domingo-en-montevideo-for-the-midwestern-rube/ << Bingo Blog - El Primero Domingo En Montevideo For The Midwestern Rube
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mine are going into the boxes proper. q is whether it is worth turning into a catalogue item. << I see it hard to imagine how people could want to vacation here without such a contrivance in the box they leave behind to colocate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749871 << https as entirely worthless as ever ; though evidently i don't expect smartypants a la eg http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/#comment-123821 to perceive THEIR DUTY to now mourn / worship in compensation.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 16:11 asciilifeform: meanwhile, https://archive.is/uL4b5 << usg burns yet another of $infinity ssl decrypt methods, to push 'Disable RSA encryption!'
mircea_popescu: they only perceive their duty to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749979 ie push the empire ; their percived duty never is to personally change so as to fit the republic☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:35 mircea_popescu: so to get back to mr crisan quoted above : the reason he isn't sitting atop a computer/car/hairblower/starbucks coffee cup is that he doesn't yet understand HOW such item would forward / is requisite for his notion of "a republic" == usgstan. because that is ABSOLUTELY ALL he is interested in, and will give no half a spare cycle to any other consideration, period and fuck you.
asciilifeform: linked largely for the 'so you think constanttime is optional' lulz.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, lol@terrorist tree in jail.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749901 << considering i made ~the item artisanally... o hey check that out, anally!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 19:49 ben_vulpes: "don't keep your files /with/ you, keep your files /in/ you!" https://www.etsy.com/listing/267826934/mature-usb-micro-sd-card-reader-butt
mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect there's a market.
asciilifeform: 'Kraft knew a lot more than I did about wines, and he often brought home cobwebby treasures to go with a meal. But, even though Kraft always had a filled glass before him when we sat down to eat, the wine was all for me. Kraft was an alcoholic. He could not take so much as a sip of wine without starting on a bender that could last a month. That much of what he told me about himself was true. He was a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, h
asciilifeform: ad been for sixteen years. While he used AA. meetings as spy drops, his appetite for what the meetings offered spiritually was real. He once told me, in all sincerity, that the greatest contribution America had made to the world, a contribution that would be remembered for thousands of years, was the invention of A.A.'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty
asciilifeform: re BingoBoingo's item. ( from, naturally, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744671 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 16:01 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Eznv2/?raw=true << whole thing, ftr. 31333337 w4r3z !111
mircea_popescu: i was always suspicious of this "could not" business. really, you can't ?
mircea_popescu: ran into this lots of times, most chicks are smokers, and most "can't" have a smoke like normal people without turning into their old x packs a day habit over time.
mircea_popescu: then comes the first cold turkey + beating & berating for it, then the second...
mircea_popescu: eventually once there's no hidey hole for "i just can't help myself" and no fucking benefit to binging whatsoever... they can./
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual. << Funny how incidental self care part of the plan becomes lynch pin.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
asciilifeform: loldunlookatme, i dun like developing dope tolerances at all
asciilifeform: defeats the whole point , neh
mircea_popescu: well... kinda the whole point of smoking, neh ? "it just... relaxes me, man" "and how do yo uthink it does that ?" "i don't know, there's some like brain receptors or something"
mircea_popescu: mmmmmyeeah...
asciilifeform: how to smoke -- is possibly the 1 item where the red man had right idea.
mircea_popescu: what was that ?
asciilifeform: ~monthly
mircea_popescu: liek religious ritual thing ?
mircea_popescu: aha. yeah.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i was always suspicious of this "could not" business. really, you can't ? << Well advised not to. Once started who knows when stopping happens
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wouldn't avise "free agents" to try, that's for damn sure.
mircea_popescu: but slavegirl is safe in that "tell you what, how about i crack your skull open ?" is very... relaxing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways comparing/contrasting results of past two years vs previous ten makes the case
mircea_popescu believes.
BingoBoingo: But in a world full of stoned brazilians, one has to have a vice to be trusted, so tobacco returns for now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749904 << ahahaha and the one liner of the day award goes to...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 19:57 mod6: lol "plug and play"
asciilifeform: re subj of link, seems like uniquely poor idea from opsec pov , for some reason usg likes to search arse ~first~ , sometimes even they leave the rest of the 'patient' alone. as with the famous fella pictured in old thread, who ate a pistol inside a police station, while already booked, on camera
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749913 << o ya, timing is extremely useful tool in teh arsenal.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 21:48 trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0BSH9/?raw=true << meanwhile check out the worm-hydra chatting up one of my nodes
mircea_popescu: then again i guess a good third of all trilema convos are about that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's for play pretend.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder then , pretend-what.
asciilifeform: pretend-i-am-a-disk-drive ?
mircea_popescu: consider : take chick to restaurant, do things to her, on cam, then put the files on her buttdrive and have her carry it next time you eat at that restaurant.
mircea_popescu: "hey... remember..." etc.
asciilifeform: lolk.
mircea_popescu: perversity longa.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, after meeting with accountant tomorrow will likely publish first piece on developing annoyances with subsets of the locals.
mircea_popescu: gotta bitch or else it's not a real blog!
BingoBoingo: The fucking sniffling spasm, What the everloving fuck. Go home and leave polite society until you discover the handkercheif.
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo that little Pink Elephant guy was kinda cute.
BingoBoingo: tyvm shinohai
mircea_popescu: !#s brain fag syndrome
a111: 0 results for "brain fag syndrome", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brain%20fag%20syndrome
BingoBoingo: When I saw it and the zoo I wondered if maybe they'd been trilema'd
BingoBoingo: forget to look
mircea_popescu: !~google brain fag syndrome
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Brain fag syndrome - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_fag_syndrome>; Brain fag syndrome : a culture-bound syndrome that may be ...: <https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4706136/>; Brain Fag Syndrome in Africa | ANP204 – Introduction to Medical ...: <http://anthropology.msu.edu/anp204-us13/2013/07/19/brain-fag-syndrome-in-africa/>
mircea_popescu: ^ in other orc lulz.
asciilifeform: is this another korean fan death
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a painted elephant ? i have not really been literally everywhere already, cmon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! except it's a "school's too hard" somatization.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's near the closed zoo in Montevideo
BingoBoingo: Or as the locals call it "The planetaria"
shinohai: I hadn't heard the term "Pink Elephant" in years ... last time was when I got a bunch of bennies to make sobering up from 3 day binge easier.
BingoBoingo: Looks like you did the lilly shot better http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ur-1-25.jpg vs www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000054-768x576.jpg
mircea_popescu: well you know, works best if you get them in the shadow
BingoBoingo: At the time, that stretch of street lacked shadow. This part of Montevideo has comfortable shaded walks full of sycamores and scorching sun galleries.
mircea_popescu: oh, in other great eggogs : 走火入魔 ie "life energy cultivation error" aka "something has gone wrong in your chigong"
shinohai: Sounds like a weaboo sex robot error.
mircea_popescu: could be!
mircea_popescu: "Holy shit Freud is spelled with an e not an a ? I had been spelling it wrong all these years and had no idea!"
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: brb, voy a la cama
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/xnjyJ << kinda humorous. mostly for costco > standford for learning about best of amerikan kapitalism.
pete_dushenski: "The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective by Puzhong Yao"
asciilifeform: 'We talked about microaggressions and feelings and empathy and listening. Sometimes in class the professor would say things to me like “Puzhong, when Mary said that, I could see you were really feeling something,” or “Puzhong, I could see in your eyes that Peter’s story affected you.” And I would tell them I didn’t feel anything. I was quite confused.' << lol
asciilifeform: 'Eventually I was able to meet the chief financial officer of my favorite company, Costco. He told me that they don’t hire any MBAs. Everyone starts by pushing trolleys. (I have seriously thought about doing just that. But my wife is strongly against it.) Maybe, I thought, that is why the company is so successful—no MBAs!'
asciilifeform: 'Warren Buffett has said that the moment one was born in the United States or another Western country, that person has essentially won a lottery. If someone is born a U.S. citizen, he or she enjoys a huge advantage in almost every aspect of life, including expected wealth, education, health care, environment, safety, etc., when compared to someone born in developing countries. For someone foreign to “purchase” these privileges, t
asciilifeform: he price tag at the moment is $1 million dollars (the rough value of the EB-5 investment visa). Even at this price level, the demand from certain countries routinely exceeds the annual allocated quota, resulting in long waiting times. In that sense, American citizens were born millionaires!'
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: born millionaires, didjaknow
asciilifeform: which must be why it costs usa inmate 750k usd to trade his shitpassport for one in sad old europistan, for instance.
asciilifeform looked at date of linked item. 2017. nope, not 1987, somehow.
asciilifeform: not even '97.
asciilifeform: nuts.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-14#503954 << see also !☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-02-14 17:26 mircea_popescu: ok, so school in soviet russia
mircea_popescu: "really feeling" as opposed to, importantly, "not really" feeling. it's a matter of degree not of reality that's being spoken to
mircea_popescu: the "lottery" theory is very much in the vein of "when one is born male, one gets advantages", ie, statistical retrofitting. the past 30 years have well proven that there's no causality there -- yes people who were born male i nthe past also coincidentally later developped into enviable positions. but the maleness was not germane, as proven by the sad scum that is just as biologically male born these days, and holds all the p
mircea_popescu: ower and prestige of used dishwashing sponges.
mircea_popescu: but as the old saying goes, "if anyobne's selling it, you don't want to buy it".
asciilifeform: 'spiffy jet you got there. now let's see how well it flies WITHOUT ENGINES muhahahhaa'
mircea_popescu: in other "lottery winning", for the past half hour while taking shower i've been mulling over the dilemma of whether i can be arsed to go over to fine restaurant have their absolutely fabulous porterhouse or not really.
mircea_popescu: obviously puţong yao doesn't know what he doesn't know, and consequently his lowly herbivore status remains enviable in his mind only.
asciilifeform: inevitable q, aha, is what exactly the dazed confucian d00d finds 'enviable'
mircea_popescu: well, a lot of other women sitting around gossiping about how enviable she is, evidently.
mircea_popescu: since i'm supposed to believe that "quotas are exceeded" is some kind of argument.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the pancreatic cancer quotas are routinely exceeded each year since 1972 also!
mircea_popescu: that's why they're quotas in the first fucking place : undesirable activities, harmful for everyone. if they weren't, they... wouldn't be quotas, holy hell.
asciilifeform: fwiw ( and supposing the item is true as written ) i dun get why usg would say no to an idjit willing to pay $mil to move to usgistan
mircea_popescu: throws the curve. same reason kids dun want mp to move into their class.
asciilifeform: hm.
mircea_popescu: azn with 1mn to throw around is like salt for the ivy mills.
mircea_popescu: at least if he's poor -- then some sort of kowtowing could perhaps be instilled. and even so...
asciilifeform: that'd explain why the quota appears to be filled by camelfuckers
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone with two neurons to rub together ~actually want~ to work for costco is impossible to divine. it's a dead, commoditized item, that's like research physicist desiring to work at cnc mill. wtf to do there ?
mircea_popescu: makes me suspect entirely engineered item, it dun stand up to plain reading.
mircea_popescu: ~every chinese mba i ever met however remotely wants to work for three-white-names-you-never-heard-of financfial firm.
asciilifeform: aha, but in the linked item conveniently replaced with goldmansachs
mircea_popescu: which doesn't either hire them or is sought by them
mircea_popescu: gs hires ivy spew, and quite plainly and deliberately.
asciilifeform: nomenklatura.
mircea_popescu: if they had a kickbacks scheme with eg stanford bs i would be utterly unsuirprised.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. whereas where the smart azn kids wanna go is into the firms "retired" ex gs doods start.
mircea_popescu: the sort with 10 employees and 10bn in "cash".
mircea_popescu: i guess actually this'd be the best approximation for tmsr currently, at that.
mircea_popescu: in fiat terms
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: i think this takes the cake. yo why TRIPLE on/off login wtf is this
asciilifeform: ikr?
asciilifeform: d00d must be on a propane-powered modem
gabriel_laddel: Just got out of jail, in SF, scored & M install
gabriel_laddel: not caught up on logs
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: jail for what
gabriel_laddel: on roof wasn't supposed to be on
gabriel_laddel: (working)
mircea_popescu: "farting and landing" patch on "breaking and entering" ?
gabriel_laddel: I was computing so they stuck me into mental.. no charge
gabriel_laddel: police were impressed with me
mircea_popescu: well that's something.
asciilifeform: lucky job, gabriel_laddel , iirc last d00d with laptop-on-roof was hanged ( aron schwarz )
mircea_popescu: east coast neh ?
asciilifeform: aha, mit
mircea_popescu: shittier place, the east coast.
gabriel_laddel: PG was right about CA fwiw. temp matters
mircea_popescu: meanwhile somewhere else, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e06d70a0a8e20cf0f56b79e7c5a678a0/tumblr_nkha1dEwrj1tmf8ldo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: waiwat
asciilifeform: matters for what
gabriel_laddel: http://www.paulgraham.com/siliconvalley.html
mircea_popescu: if that nonsense were true costa rica would consist of 50% of the world's tech minds.
mircea_popescu: it isn't.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748752 << obligthread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 15:01 asciilifeform: for some reason the beautiful equatorial mild valley bananistans, never grew anything in the way of interesting ~people~
mircea_popescu: california exists principally out of having (accidentally, but nevertheless) well managed the gold rush.
mircea_popescu: sparked off accidentally with actual gold, then supported pre and post ww2 by the choice of film industry to move away from the mob rackets (and they succeeded, when the mob caught on and tried to invade the movie folk got the usg to tear it a new hole) and finally post 1960 by the ic folk.
mircea_popescu: the "web 2.0" "mobile" etc "revolutions" however failed to catch, so its port is getting sanded as we speak.
asciilifeform: 100% printolade-powered, today.
mircea_popescu: yes but so is zimbabwe
mircea_popescu: anyuay, the quoted piece from a 1990s bit from a local landlord. as such it reflects the predominantly hopeful mood of the landed gentry at the time "yes, it's a downturn portion of a cycle but that's what cycles are".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile however the 90s turned into the 00s and in turn into the 10s and well...
mircea_popescu: no cycle.
asciilifeform: printer prints, prints, nonstop tho. hence 'space station' square metrage price.
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform many times offered work in ca, equally many times refused. 'tell me why i should take the double pay , so as to pay 3x for flat, and it will have roaches , why ? '
asciilifeform: what do folx need to have inside their crankcase, to swallow it.
asciilifeform: as it is, i haven't even mustered the givingashit to go there as pure tourist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you aware the colorful ( of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-08#1748888 lolz) manson fellow ended up with like two dozen under-20 chicks in tow ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-08 20:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, can anyone recount teh helter-skelter charlie mason scenario of risk, the game of world-diplomacy and international intrigue ?
mircea_popescu: "what did they have in crankcase ?" you ask ? drugs, man.
asciilifeform: aha, iirc d00d died recently
mircea_popescu: yea
asciilifeform: iirc also was never shown to have nailed anyone with own hands, or even contracted.
mircea_popescu: indeed not.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, REMARKABLY fucking idiotic. dude's idea was that rando movie star is important, on the basis of i dunno, all he ever read was vanity fair i guess
mircea_popescu: or not even. fucking vogue, something. who even thought rando what's-her-husbands-name is important in the 60s ?
asciilifeform: the heads of people-without-theorems, unless properly embedded into some variant of peasantry/army/slavery, will grow fungal bloom
asciilifeform: and it will look like this, or like camelfuck variant, or like any other.
asciilifeform: hell, bernstein et al ~with~ theorems still went to ~same place.
mircea_popescu: so is your question answered then ?
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in forgotten lulz, http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#comment-92662
mircea_popescu: apparently "goodbye" doesn't mean goodbye in EXACTLY the same way no doesn't mean no.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16559.0, vol: 16927.08443451 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16587.0, vol: 50541.79879158 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 16749.0, vol: 3163.65110059 | Volume-weighted last average: 16587.5458266
shinohai: How long before Japan tells all to cargo-cult military someplace else. http://archive.is/QANIt
shinohai almost blew hot tea through nose @ cbs imitating trilema http://archive.is/xM05B
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: obviously, they forgot to link
asciilifeform: iirc there was ~same article in the time of mtgox
asciilifeform: 'If you have money in the bank, the bank is protecting your money' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally protecting.
diana_coman: funny this "when the bubble will burst on bitcoin value" but not even one line on "when the bubble will burst on house prices"
shinohai: See asciilifeform ... this is what the usb buttplug is for, to store your 2-of-3 bitcoin seed in.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not only that, but not a line on "when the bubble will burst on usd prices".
mircea_popescu: one has to be well touched in the head to imagine usd prices > 1 satoshi are somehow sustainable.
shinohai: The buttplug provides warm reassurance that your $$$ is safe in bank.
mircea_popescu: shinohai 1 of 3. there's 2 more holes to go!
mircea_popescu: and i mean go like the latinos read it, "ho".
shinohai: hue
BingoBoingo: So, it turns out looking directly for abogados was a mistake. The accountant has popped the gringo bubble. Apparently gringos seeking tax shelters for existing money go to abogados. Empressarios like myself go to consultadoras.
shinohai: So far deviantart search is ..... fruitless. I can't get too many to talk to me yet, its like a sjw site. "Bitcoin is cool, but you trilema people are transphobic"
mircea_popescu: in similar lulz, from gal on cali mission recently : "in other news i saw a $7000 bathrobe yesterday. the moment anything says boutique i know it's gonna be like car-prices-for-decorative-knick-knacks sorta deal".
mircea_popescu: now if that 7k bathrobe came with priviledge affixed, such as ye caftans of ye olde sultans did, it'd be one thing.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: In the society you are in, likely un consultador puede ser encontrado en cado rincon no?
mircea_popescu: but you know all it says is http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/ and no more.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was it a lockheed-martin bathrobe, or a raytheon ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749890 << this is actually so clever i think ima add it to the standard mp ops manual. << In another caveat to this... Here is the first place I have been to with meetings of such epic lengths.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 17:54 BingoBoingo: Also, the local accent is beginning to break into discrete works as opposed to noise. The epic 2.5-3 hour AA meetings here have been an invaluable opportunity to listen to a variety of local speakers one at a time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neither.
asciilifeform: did it have the optional radar jamming pods.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: it was you know, the same usual crap, "microfiber" or w/e.
BingoBoingo: lol, plastifuzz
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: "if i want to wear shredded bottlecaps i'll just make my own, dorks"
asciilifeform: sustainably(tm)(r) knitted from fibers grown in the skins of sustainable(tm)(r) diverse(tm)(r) nation of africa nationals ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bingo.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck i was waiting to pop that one since i met him.\
mircea_popescu: I AM SO RELIEFED
BingoBoingo: Plastifuzz has great utility as cloth for dusting, but that property makes me disinclined to cloth self with plastifuzz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the thing i liked most about it was that chick now speaks... exactly like me.
mircea_popescu: it's uncanny.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is only 'great for dusting' when new. but i've found that lens cleaner cloth is ~disposable, it dun 'micro-' no moar after 1st wash.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?
asciilifeform: so may as well buy the single-shot wipes, same type as for rifle barrels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if any girl touches any lens with any non-natural fiber that girl thereby gets a whopping.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this. god invented cotton and silk for this reason.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What wash, buy by the tens of pounds.
BingoBoingo: and no for lenses
BingoBoingo: plastifuzz picks up hella abrasives
mircea_popescu: plastic scratches. it's the ~one thing it does well.
shinohai: One good thing about teh South, I used to go out back behind the cotton mills and get tons of free soft cotton rags.
shinohai: No bleach, nada
mircea_popescu: shinohai can go into drier, pick up free lint!
mircea_popescu: if you use no synthetics, that is.
mircea_popescu: for logistical clarity, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750338 refers to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750321☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bingo.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:28 BingoBoingo: So, it turns out looking directly for abogados was a mistake. The accountant has popped the gringo bubble. Apparently gringos seeking tax shelters for existing money go to abogados. Empressarios like myself go to consultadoras.
mircea_popescu: and logistical evidently refers to the logs.
mircea_popescu: and other clarifications as may in time be needed.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
diana_coman: and etc!!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: in other statistics nobody cares about : out of 1817 females under 30 with an interest in kink that checked out http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/ this month, OVER 900 !!!! thereby inferred that saving turtles is what i do for a living, my job or in some manner similarily my profession or occupation.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS ALMOST THE MAJORITY
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750286 as they say.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 02:34 asciilifeform: what do folx need to have inside their crankcase, to swallow it.
asciilifeform reviews linked item, with some surprise notices that it in fact mentioned a turtle
mircea_popescu: but apparently these idle-liberated domestic appliances HONESTLY BELIEVE carrying half an ounce over half a yard a coupla times one morning constitutes enough contribution to the general welfare of humanity to thereby eat, every day, and perhaps who knows, even 7k robe, one day.
asciilifeform: http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/2/interrogation.html << oblig turtle.
mircea_popescu: btw you ever had the soup ?
asciilifeform: notyet
mircea_popescu: prettygood.tw
mircea_popescu: btw, does .tw stand for trigger warning yet, or still pretending taiwan is country ?
asciilifeform: it'll end up a discount '.tv' before long. telewision.
mircea_popescu: haha
asciilifeform: tho the proper king's englisch 'tw' word is, obviously, 'twat'
asciilifeform: ( i in fact dun know any other that begins with 'tw' )
asciilifeform: twilight, i guess
mircea_popescu: upon re-wreading, it occurs to me "idleberated" is not even such a bad word to describe the situation of various wenches, maids and whatnot who belabour under the misapprehension that they're excused from the obligations their servile social class imposes on them
asciilifeform: twin. ( what else..? )
mircea_popescu: (and no, limiting this to "take master cock whenever master feels like" is VERY disingenuous. maids' knee is a thing FOR A FUCKING REASON ; servile class spends most time workign, not fucking.)
asciilifeform: who is the subj of this observation ? presumably the chix work for living somewhere, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twice tweed twain twine etc etc
asciilifeform: ^ yeah at this point i got
shinohai: mircea_popescu lieks turtles.
mircea_popescu: (for bonus lulz : twattle, evidently a twat cognate, means to buffer, to mitigate, to cushion. RITE ?)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> btw you ever had the soup ? << The snappers back home make excellent soup. The bigger and meaner the better.
asciilifeform: there exist also 'twerp'
shinohai: mircea_popescu trb nod twattles ... perfect terminology
shinohai: *node
shinohai: it buffers, but in wrong sense! xD
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha. i had it in... missouri, i think. quite excellent.
BingoBoingo: The only mandatory thing is a big snapper with proper death and postmortem treatment
shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo you seen one of those red bird shirts like Quagmire wears down there?
BingoBoingo: Que?
shinohai: I need a red shirt with Birds on it so I kinda look like Quagmire for this party I'm going to.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the locals dress in all sorts of manners. I am not obviously a foreigner until I open my mouth. And then... They still mostly guess Brazilian...
BingoBoingo: Aqui, foreigner seems to correspond either to Argentine for ones that speak like them or Brazilian for foreigners who speak funny.
shinohai: My friend in Memezuela finally got in touch. Think he's got a visa to Italy in June.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform managed to pass for troo orc in ro when closing mouth. it isn't hard, with closed mouth
mircea_popescu: oh and in other randoms : yest i saw girl shirt reading in big thick font "blowjob is still better than no job"
asciilifeform: ( so long as one doesn't suffer from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816570 problem )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: "i dunno... maybe stop sending niggers ?"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I saw a teeny bopper with a shirt that said "Acid Please" in montevideo shopping.
mircea_popescu: gave her some ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, not actually Braziallian. Don't have the psychadelic hook up... at least not yet.
mircea_popescu: lol that word keeps morphing it's gonna end up brazen-alien
BingoBoingo: Would be apt
BingoBoingo: They seem to keep the economy here flowing. Uruguay's own voluntary Indian fat reserve.
mircea_popescu: shinohai : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750345 (and also, consider constructing a mass messaging rig as pluriously described on trilema ?)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:32 mircea_popescu: shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: link to mass messaging $item handy plz?
mircea_popescu: like http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the consultadora has begun the work of massaging a bank account out of Itau which apparently is impossible for estadosunidense as private individuals, but no problem for business individuals.
BingoBoingo: Contrary to all the web derping about "Gringos are condemned to BROU"
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: nice going.
mircea_popescu: took her out for lunch yet ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this -- supposing it actually worx as-printed-on-the-box -- is pretty neato.
BingoBoingo: The venezuala? Not yet. I will probably ask her if she wants me to have some food ready when she comes for spanish lesson tonight.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do. find an upmarket steakhouse, take her for lunch (not dinner) one day at her convenience. this isn't in any sense sexual ; but it is a good idea to leverage the environment to impress upon the help that it is indeed a very good idea to be as helpful as humanly possible.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they have an estadounidense in their office who bas bank account through "series of simple tricks"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, the consultadora, whatever that is.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, the consultadora is a small firm. How the locals say "accountantancy", there is she there who is my primary contact.
mircea_popescu: that one.
mircea_popescu: the polychinelle's secret about people is that everyone wants a new friend just as much as you do, if not more. makes things easier.
BingoBoingo learning so much.
mircea_popescu: menschkeit, bro.
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: doing business, and especially being in business is principally a STYLE.
BingoBoingo suspects they want to make friends with my friends after I presented expected revenue from rack (10kusd gross) and expected number of clients per rack (less than 10).
mircea_popescu chuckles privately, yet again, at random harlequins thinking themselves "persona di stile", http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118601 -style.
mircea_popescu: how's teh frosts mod6
mod6: Not too horrible this morning. We got like maybe half-inch of snow overnight.
mod6: It warms up when it snows (as it's cloudy), so it's at least 15 degrees warmer than yesterday. Tradeoffs :]
mircea_popescu: going for ducks ? or wait, no ducks where you live huh
mod6: There are ducks here ya. I hunt pheasant tho.
BingoBoingo rolled into meeting wearing short sleeve button up red work shirt, khaki cargo shorts, and carried very slim attache case.
mircea_popescu used to go just about now, for river ducks. early to mid december, when it snows a little and as aresult warms.
mod6: I've bagged about ... 11 or 12 so far this year.
mod6: i've got a long way to go. I'd like to get ~50.
mircea_popescu: do they have season where you're at ?
mircea_popescu: ro had very few (for some reason most ppl prefer to go for pheasant, i have nfi) so it was like... one week in oct and one week in jan, pretty much 1 to 7
BingoBoingo: US duck season tricky thing. Regulated by migratory bird treaties with pete_dushenskiLand
mod6: Starts mid-october until spring. Most people quit when the snow gets too deep.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, that must suck. from memory it was just about "while snow on the ground"
mod6: Duck is good eating. I don't have all of the equip. for it. Most guys have a lot of decoys and a blind or boat of sorts.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you don't need either decoys or boat. you need an excellent dog, which is the problem.
mircea_popescu: errything else is fluff. but yes, sourkraut duck, to die for.
mod6: I don't have a low-land dog either, no. Definitely need a newf or lab or whatever.
mircea_popescu: but in general -- the duck is harder shooting, because pheasant is dumb as rocks, will let you come close enough to fucking arrow it to death. duck will not. but with modern rifles this isn't a problem.
mircea_popescu: some people actually need the extra quarter mile or w/e decoy/caller buys you, but really, healthy human doesn't actually have to need it.
BingoBoingo: AHA, in usa duck needs to be taken with shotgun using steel shot
mod6: I'd imagine that there wouldn't be much decent meat left after getting hit with a rifle round.
mircea_popescu: still, if you manage a mile-and-quarter kill or some insanity like that, you really want the dog to do the running for you.
mircea_popescu: mod6 well you don't want explosive round lol. but anyway, picking the lead out from the pheasant in experience not much worse than eating around the hole in the duck.
mod6: I can't imagine trying to hit a fast-flying anything @ 100 yds with a rifle much less a mile and a half.
mircea_popescu: they fly very predictably. but anyway, mile-and-half is you know, stuff of legends.
mod6: haha. i imagine.
mircea_popescu: you'd use something like i dunno, 1oz tungsten shot ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much 12gauge standard for waterfowl anyway.
mod6: I use .12 ga lead #6 shot.
mod6: Does the job. I try to shoot 'em within 20-50 yds.
mircea_popescu: i think duck is usually #2 or i guess #4
mod6: Any more than that and they're gone.
mod6: Ducks fly fast tho, ya. I should give that a try next year.
mircea_popescu: per tradition it's higher on the hierarchy of hard game
mircea_popescu: turkey possibly easiest, below grouse, rabbit, anything
mod6: i wanna give turkey a try too. i hear it's a lot of walking, but lots of fun.
mod6: I think it'd be good exercise if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's possibly best beginner game, basically golf with clubs that shoot
mod6: haha. werd.
mircea_popescu: pheasant NOT MUCH DIFFERENT :D
mod6: What kinda blows my mind about the turkeys is the like to roost in the trees.
mircea_popescu: yep
mod6: *they
mircea_popescu: you have grouse there btw ?
mircea_popescu: or how do you call the little runny bird in this language
mod6: Yeah, for sure. I've never been grouse hunting tho.
mod6: People love to eat em.
mircea_popescu: gotta pay attention with them
mircea_popescu: yeah. you need like a dozen to make a meal, but the meal is worth making.
mod6: Yeah, otherwise you get the ole dick-cheney to the face.
mircea_popescu: the who ?
BingoBoingo: Ye Ole birdshot to the face
BingoBoingo: W's veep
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> gotta pay attention with them << shooting things that walk on the ground -- a bit more risky ya.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform finds that he cannot think of grouse without recalling mayakovsky's 'Ешь ананасы, рябчиков жуй, / день твой последний приходит, буржуй.'
mircea_popescu: yes well, let's ideally not do that then, lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you getting fired up with proletariat rage over thar ?
asciilifeform: nah it's just this old skull attic furniture, this rhyme.
mircea_popescu: ftr, ananasy is like, cheapest fruit here, on a per lb basis. apples are like... WHOA.
mircea_popescu: and also not very good, us imports.
asciilifeform: a grous is рябчик , and for most of life asciilifeform never encountered it in any other context.
mircea_popescu: yop ever had it ?
asciilifeform: one day i'd like to so much as see one
asciilifeform: outside of a picture, i mean
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: they're very hardy, pretty much every farm has them. go for walk post wheat harvest, there's 100s
mircea_popescu: at least in humanlands.
asciilifeform: now where to find wheat field...
mircea_popescu: satellite shows you!!1
mod6: You'd think there would be a bunch just west of where you are.
asciilifeform: mod6: so far all i found : corn
asciilifeform: and soy.
mod6: Ah, might be pheasants in the corn though.
asciilifeform: lotsa lotsa soy.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: if there's woods by the side, pheasant almost guaranteed
asciilifeform: pretty sure i once saw a pheasant.
mircea_popescu: and also, i guess, fox.
asciilifeform: fox even here in the shitlands
asciilifeform: right on the streets
asciilifeform: sometimes i see flattened ones
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hanbot once saw fox on traintrip in romania, guy was like, standing watching the train, 20 meters off if that.
mod6: Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field. Was like O_O.
asciilifeform: mod6: that's the 1 reliable animal we have here
asciilifeform: it's errywhere
mircea_popescu: mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now where to find wheat field... << Wheat fields are a seasonal thing in US, check bean fields a few weeks after harvest
BingoBoingo: <mod6> Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field. Was like O_O. << Vermin!
mod6: mircea_popescu: indeed! lot of meat on an animal like that.
mircea_popescu: yeah. i always was more of the ... how to put this, defensive hunter ? "i don't mind killing things but i really dun wanna carry them" sort.
mircea_popescu: i shot a grand total of 1 doe. and honestly the excstasy wasn't worth the laundry.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ? << No where close on a deer. Large buck (deer) is usually ~100 kgs total weight/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i am in hunter mode, applying numeric factor of 2x to 9x as need be.
BingoBoingo: Ah
mircea_popescu: please respect my culture & traditions.
mod6: mircea_popescu: its quite a lot of work. i helped dress my buddies buck this year. took ~3 hours.
asciilifeform: 9x << i thought that was fishing mode
mircea_popescu: mod6 and that's if you know what you're doing. otherwise, takes ~3 fingers.
BingoBoingo: Now moose, elk, feral cow...
mod6: we took the hide off, then hung it in the garage for 4 days.
mod6: let the meat age. then cut it up.
mod6: I love those venison burgers, we mix it 50/50 with ground up pork butt.
mircea_popescu: a yeah.
mircea_popescu: perfect like that, even the fat.
mod6: yeah, adding in the fat really helps hold em together. Venison is so lean.. makes a damn good rare stake too.
mod6: *steak
mircea_popescu: yeah but how many rare steaks can you eat in a week.
mod6: Shit, like maybe 2.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? i'm at like 1.25 or so.
mod6: These guys go out and take 1-2 deer, that is probably enough for at least the whole winter.
mircea_popescu: yeah. and in places like alaska, say, where they do take a moose now and again, it's more convenient because freezer everywhere.
mircea_popescu: but in temperate zone, really, ima pay to freeze that much meat for months so as to have month-old meat for months ? BUT I DUN WANNA!
mod6: Right.
mircea_popescu: only way is to have a large population that can eat it, somehow. though iirc usg was pretty shitty about preventing hunter sales.
mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.
asciilifeform: iirc in feudal jp they had.
mircea_popescu: sorta like how milk works (or worked, dunno, maybe they did away with that too)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.
BingoBoingo: Back in old country, most people had a good chunk of their venison processed into salty "stick" form for long term sub freezing refrigeration.
mod6: Yeah, srsly now. It'd be great to have a local wild-game guy, just like butcher or automotive repair guy.
mod6: I really want to get some elk steaks, but no where to be found in immediate area.
mircea_popescu: exactly!~
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am. << In old country missouri village of "Town and Country" licenses hunters, but only as far as reducing the traffic hazard posed.
mircea_popescu: then THAT guy can afford to take a buck or something, knowing full well that in a coupla days its gone anyway
mod6: True enough.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but really, meat distribution is teh point.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re milk thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728908 and elsewhere ) -- i found out that there is apparently nao an Official loophole -- while it lasts -- in usgistan : raw milk sold 'for cats' , for piles of money , wink, nudge, posh clientelle fills up thermoses☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:32 mircea_popescu: but yes, timisoara has automated raw milk dispensing machines. while that lasts, which is to say until some dumb cunt "raises awareness" enough on facebook
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If the locals in old country were sane it would be
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha nice.
asciilifeform not tried yet
mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, meat age matters IMMENSELY. unless you operate a smoking thing, which fwis is all but unknown in the us, and unless i guess you know how to rot it properly (whicjh again, is nice, but MAYBE once a month sorta thing, like the romeo&juliets), in order to eat a steak shot-this-morning i'd pay, but really i wouldn't eat a "straight from the freezer" steak unless i have to.
mircea_popescu: huge difference there.
mod6: ah, indeed.
mircea_popescu: if you can sell the meat without having to preserve it ~at all~, you got a fiddy to a hundy buck a pound sorta thing. if not... whatever costco charges, 9.95 or such
mod6: I think those guys in alaska have something figured out with those full walk-in smokers they built with logs, etc.
mircea_popescu: then again, there are those places that'll take your meat and make it jerky. not very expensive, but back to "and how much jerky can you eat ?!"
mircea_popescu: mod6 ayup. cold smoked meat is perfectly acceptable, what else are you gonna have for breakfast. that, salmon, breastmilk, so on.
mod6: Aha.
mod6: Jerky is great, but it's a hassle to make ya.
mircea_popescu: speaking of mother's milk, britt sells these macadamia nuts covered in black chocolate here. they go fabulously well with danish cookies, but i have the following complaint :
mircea_popescu: the correct proportion is like .7 cookie to the nut. since the macadamia come in fixed size, how about they change the damned cookie size to match my needs!
BingoBoingo amazed by how much better everything dairy and chocolate here is compared to old country.
mircea_popescu: innit!
mircea_popescu: it's because women here breastfeed.
mod6: Here they just feed the babies Diet Coke.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that plug in ?
asciilifeform: ( other than the obvious way observed by uncle al, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671450 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:31 asciilifeform: 'FDA specifically bans from human infant formula ("felonious fortification") the addition of a tetraunsaturated fatty acid only found in human breast milk. Near as anyone can tell, its only metabolic purpose is to encourage brain development. Human milk for human babies - or you bring up a Democrat.' ftr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform woman's milk is good quality ; powdered crap/soy/etc is not. child forms good tastes from his mom's tit.
asciilifeform: aa possib
mircea_popescu: that's why you don't permit your kids to live in room with "posters" of idiotic pop "legends". let them have roman antiquity decor.
mircea_popescu: costs a little more, but then again what's the money for.
mircea_popescu: btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750533 : you are aware costa rica routinely dominates catches in pretty all categories ? they get literal quarter ton tuna here.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:48 asciilifeform: 9x << i thought that was fishing mode
mircea_popescu: swordfish longer than teh boat. and so on.
mod6: Doing some fishing like that could be a pretty fun time.
mod6: Trying to haul in a vw bus.
ben_vulpes: funnily enough, the family democrats have failed on parenting to the degree that "she only eats white things" like...bread. pasta. plastimilk.
ben_vulpes: while my two year old is scarfing down olives, prosciutto, spicy chilis, with nary a blink.
mircea_popescu: you know apparently lots of (badly brought up) girls go through this "only white things" phase ?
mircea_popescu: musta been in some disney or something
ben_vulpes: it's almost as though they never thought to have the fun of putting novel tastes in the kid's face
mod6: bleach all the foodz
ben_vulpes: (clearly also lacking in the discipline to say "eat what we eat or go to bed hungry")
mircea_popescu: what bed.
mircea_popescu: "love the fucking food or else you do dishes all night and then straight to school at 8am missy"
ben_vulpes: hahaha
mircea_popescu: the reason i deal with 16yos not 6yos becoming ever more apparent.
ben_vulpes: if you let food become such an issue that you're fighting over it at dishwashing age you dun fucked up way the fuck uptree.
mircea_popescu: as they all did.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter this wonder, correctly parented hussy. but who knows, maybe it's just me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly that those never reach escape velocity ?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: now that i couldn't know.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other alt-milks, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b8af049219fec2d4c22e14cb09813834/tumblr_nkd1a2gZSr1u06pkwo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it's your theory!
asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11
ben_vulpes: has anyone even "parented <republicanly> correctly" in history?
asciilifeform: prolly sometime before the sybilline books burned
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, that guy cut down some cherry tree...
ben_vulpes: the washington apocrypha?
mircea_popescu: no good ?
ben_vulpes: just a lie like the rest of the american myth
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, they have it pretty well streamlined. spend a grand or so, hire a boat with crew, go fishing for the whole day.
mircea_popescu: imo very much worth it for the fisherman.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not very possible. it's easy to believe that "thank you for your leadersheep" cocksuckers a la mccain and what's-his-name-married-ketchup aren't worth pressing for glue. HOWEVER back when the country was poor and the us president depended on the largesse of european middle class to afford a meal in a decent restaurant, they HAD to have had some folk with mettle
mircea_popescu: or otherwise the us'd never have occured.
mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)
ben_vulpes: the apple tree was a spectacular spot of marketing; doesn't mean the guy lacked in steel.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. or perhaps vice-versa : apple tree was spectacular bit of steel, marketing cocksuckers trying to take it over.
mircea_popescu: between these two i can't discern.
ben_vulpes: lol right, salary last time i checked as a kid was what, 100k? sounded like lots when i was a kid but today...
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> imo very much worth it for the fisherman. << yah, pretty reasonable for a guided trip. probably be a blast.
ben_vulpes: moreover, what does sitting prez a la obab even pay for. agent orange clearly living at mar a lago because omfg rats in the white house
mircea_popescu: for the pres ? salary is recent invention.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja mean peperoncinni ? or actual mexican chillies ?
ben_vulpes: the american stew of sloth, poverty, beans, paprika, and various meats
mircea_popescu: tradition in mp's slice of old world is that hot peppers not good for single-digit age kids.
mircea_popescu: "makes them short"
ben_vulpes: still astonished the pantsuits that a) child can eat with spoon and b) would eat something with flavor
ben_vulpes: the retardation with these folks is astonishingly deep: get this. one wife placates her children with an ipad meditation app.
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
ben_vulpes: because (it gets better), "it works wonders for my most disturbed children at school"
mircea_popescu: but what's it do ?
ben_vulpes: yes, this is a woman who is an american "school counselor" and she interprets her job to be placating kids with fucking ipads
ben_vulpes: there's a spoken word meditation guide and some rhythmic pulsing
phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
mircea_popescu: to revisit tradition : there are two main strands in "wet nurse pacifying neglected upper class kid his mom dun want" : the irish and the italian.
mircea_popescu: the irish wetnurse mixed whiskey in the milkfeed ; the italian wetnurse masturbated the infant.
mircea_popescu: both strands live and well as late as 1900s.
ben_vulpes: yes well now we have transistors and the high-pixel density hyperattractors
ben_vulpes: and traditional fun is bad.
mircea_popescu: the rhytmic pulsing thing may not be terrible. iirc actually works on mild autism.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the hole through which the camels nose comes in.
ben_vulpes: next thing you know they'
ben_vulpes: they'll demand inane child content all day
ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750614 << for my own peace of mind, wtf is a theory in your view ? cuz to my mind, theory = pairing of allegedly observed phenomena with aleged causative factor.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11
ben_vulpes: strictly designed to turn the learning part of tiny brains off and turn them into drooling zombies.
phf: ben_vulpes: as far as i understand some of those videos are actually algorithmically generated?
ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, causative factor , a->b, but not necessarily includes one for ..->a
phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
asciilifeform: phf: lol, remember 'computernarcotic' ?
mircea_popescu: ic!
asciilifeform: there were a buncha these
ben_vulpes not going to try, computronium strictly off-limits to the feeble-minded and children in my house
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that is impossible. nature computes.
ben_vulpes: that's not /computronium/
mircea_popescu: how do you expect digestion works. computational machines ALL THE WAY DOWN
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i used to work with a number of d00dz who had young chillunz, they all bought rubberized tabletrons for'em 'as soon as knew how to hold it'
asciilifeform: was frightening thing.
phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares
ben_vulpes: i speak stricly of the miserable agglomeration of transistors with no purpose
mircea_popescu: takes 6.023e23 LUTs per 18kgs of water to FIND LEVEL.
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: but it comes with guarantee : will NEVER fail ; ALWAYS find.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truths!
asciilifeform possibly had an essay re subj even
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sounds like Real America
mircea_popescu: i think so.
mircea_popescu: this convo somehow ended up so fucking dense i keep having to re-read from behind
mircea_popescu: must be all teh protein.
phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
asciilifeform: lol asciilifeform also rereading
asciilifeform: commodore a++++ recommended
asciilifeform: if you can find a working one
ben_vulpes: i actually caved for a plane ride recently, procured a set of entirely unobjectionable 45-minute videos of various animals tearing each other apart. imagine my fury when the downloadotron had failed to save these for the flight!
asciilifeform: ( or a display for it, for that matter )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750615 << anyway, this is probably going to be a recurring topic.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 ben_vulpes: has anyone even "parented <republicanly> correctly" in history?
ben_vulpes: phf: some day perhaps, he is well occupied learning to make me breakfast and working on his basic numeracy at the moment
phf nods
ben_vulpes: see also: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-10#751952☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-10 18:07 benkay: latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat
phf: did you give him a copy of lord chesterfield's letters to his son? :p
ben_vulpes: phf: haw no but looks grand
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 19:40 mircea_popescu: cut through the gringo fleecing zone, and the quicker the better.
mircea_popescu: he only reliable and effectual fabric of reality.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/13/midwester-rube-on-uruguay-one-week-in/ << Bingo Blog - Midwester Rube On Uruguay One Week In
mircea_popescu: peek and poke.
asciilifeform: ^^^
mircea_popescu: this is a revelation ticos, for instance, by and large never achieved ; and you will be surprised if you examine young slavegirl hopefuls, in that they also, do not see the world as mere covers stretched on a numeric structure.
asciilifeform: i have yet to meet, i think, a d00d worth half a shit on a comp , who didn't grow up with a 8bit micro
mircea_popescu: amusing what iniquity this brings, seeing how fucking terrible i am, and yet by 8bit priviledge...
phf: "my son is so smart, he really understands the technology!! he plays with his ipad all day" on the other hand
mircea_popescu: a lot of smarter folk put A LOT more work than i ever did into "modern computing plarform" and didn't get as much out of it.
asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
asciilifeform: can you picture what's left of a man after 20 yrs of javascript ?
mircea_popescu: no.
asciilifeform: 'miner's lung' for the mind.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750625 << dunno re this. iirc washington was one of the megaplantators of his time ( albeit by marriage ). jefferson not exactly 'poorfag' either.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:18 mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)
mircea_popescu: very poor.
asciilifeform: by standard of euro royal houses -- poor. by local standards ?
mircea_popescu: french not-even-rich guy gambled away in one night the income for 100 square kilometers of plantation
mircea_popescu: IN EUROPE. new world didn't make similar revenue per acre until 1920.
phf: jefferson has a lot of lulzy stories of balling out while he was an ambassador to france. he's also the person who advocated 10 year (5?) debt removal system, being perpetually in debt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no such thing as restaurant outside of paris, vienna, and a few more.
mircea_popescu: took london a while to get one, even.
mircea_popescu: phf word. numerous stories, as far as eu was concerned, us were a sort of you know, haitians.
mircea_popescu: so -- yes washington was mega plantor ; yes this is respectable ; no it wouldn't have bought him a set of dandy shirts.
asciilifeform: i dun think anybody imagined the plantators being loaded by euro standard.
phf: american "founding fathers" in a lot of ways remind me of the three musketeers" "i sold this ring from a countess that i fuck, let's go have some proper food"
mircea_popescu: ^
asciilifeform: not far from where asciilifeform lives , there is a preserved manor house from enormous plantation, that once covered what is now 4 or so townships. the house is quite tame by even timisoara standards.
mircea_popescu: timisoara was a major center in the 1700s and 1800s.
asciilifeform: what 'rich' means muchly depends on locale. 'rich chukcha' has moar deer, i imagine. rich plantator -- moar ground. but there is not a habsburg house for him to live in, he cannot buy it any more than he could have bought a pdp-8
mircea_popescu: to prove this, i bring the following point : in http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ the lord of swabia complains that the city council won't get him stuff that, by the standards of the empire';s holds in belgrade, would be very modest.
mircea_popescu: timisoara was the sister city.
mircea_popescu: (the film is exceptional in that it summarily but correctly renders the early capitalism dissolution of traditional feudalism : the lord wants a "ballet" so as to line up the nubile daughters of the land for feeling up ; the councilmen do not wish to give him ~the money~ to make one because it's their fucking daughters. capital exists, in the early modern phase, to dissolve the traditional family, in the strict sense of liber
mircea_popescu: alizing the women market.)
mircea_popescu: the propagandistic aim of the film is to propose that the agent of this dissolution was the ethnic jew. which... well, it's a dubious point like all truths of propaganda. but the thing it DISTRACTS from is that... without women market there's no modernity, which is to say no "progress" or steam engine. a point poorly diggested by the councilmen of the peasantry,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even nao not everybody's sold on this modernity thing -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749994☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: he doesn't specifically care if it's 1500s german peasant life, ie, outright medieval peonage. just as long.
mircea_popescu: and THIS is why jefferson advocated nonsense : not because "he was perpetually in debt", but because the style of womenholding he had grown up in and preferred was untenable. which is why he was in debt and also why he was pro silkver and everyhing else : feudal lord wanting to compete with the moderns and discovering he can't, and that the cuntlets dun care.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. but i sure as fuck am not contemplating "a woman for every man and who cares what she looks like" nonsense.
asciilifeform: dunno that jefferson subscribed to it, at least in this formulation
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the "balabusta" concept, which is used in romanian to denote a fat GYPSY woman, but actually is a jewish word denoting a comme il faut (ie, fat) housewife is proof positive thjat the jews were in fact even more traditional than the peasants that hated them)_
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform evidently did.
mircea_popescu: that he cheated it is no proof against ; but on the contrary, proof he did.
mircea_popescu: you can't cheat rules you don't believe.
asciilifeform at one time took a stab at reading jefferson, to try to find out what specifically the man subscribed to. but walked away with picture 'was simply prolix d00d who couldn't manage his 'creditcard', nuffintowritehomeabout'
mircea_popescu: my reading was slightly different. "strange sort of new world equivalent of old world aristocracy, stranded in incomprehension through lack of language and, properly speaking, any sort of tradition supporting him"
mircea_popescu: the closest conceivable item, the haiti plantationeers, spoke french.
asciilifeform: j gave the impression of longing for his one troo motherland, france-with-platinum-creditcard-on-expenseaccount
mircea_popescu: see ?
mircea_popescu: he wanted to be the duke of rohan.
mircea_popescu: henri thomas, duc de rohan.
mircea_popescu: why louis antoine and not henri thomas ? LIFE IS SO UNFARE
BingoBoingo: And instead Jefferson became duke of Appalacia.
mircea_popescu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Antoine_de_Rohan-Chabot << item
BingoBoingo: Folk hero nobel of the hill people.
BingoBoingo: brb, stroll
mircea_popescu: doesn't pay as much as... BingoBoingo you know that line, "it doesn't profit a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales ??!"
mircea_popescu: ozarks are like... the altcoin of wales.
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750644 << is there something more fun than pestering the meditation-type chick while she's trying to ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:23 phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
mircea_popescu: "hey, you're supposed to not get angry!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750654 << well i wasn't proposing it hasta be on ipads obv☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:27 ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750659 << word! the WHOLE schtick with the "monetization" nonsense is 100% "hey kid... wanna take a job with no security, no insurance and subminimum wage ?" ; ie "This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
mircea_popescu: affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist
mircea_popescu: at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for The Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid." on steroids.
asciilifeform: ahahaha it's from that piece that he deleted
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: great piece, too.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the item that brought him to my attention.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's eyes also that was the piece that made the d00d stand up from the background hiss
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750661 a better question is why exactly does one want to pacify them. god knows the erect penis is the only item in short supply, why fuck with it. how about instead of spedning a dime to "pacify", spend the dime to buy more acreage ; get them a dog and don't let them back in the house until the dog's not so exhausted it can't stand up.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
asciilifeform: dime lol
mircea_popescu: as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running.
mircea_popescu: this bookended by full jars of jam on either side carried me well into two digit age.
asciilifeform: for typical usaschwitz inmate, 'acreage' is measured either in decimal 'dust' fluff ( if mortgagist ) or in big fat 0 ( if urban zek ) . but mircea_popescu probably knew this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i lived (with 10`000 other kids all my exact age) in a purely hruscheba neighbourhood ; to the point i was SUSPICIOUS of traditional houses.
mircea_popescu: but asciilifeform perhaps also knew this.
asciilifeform: aha. if mircea_popescu's orcistan looked anything like the old-town of timis, then it looked quite like asciilifeform's.
asciilifeform: but they dun have these in usa, afaik.
mircea_popescu: mmm lessee, must be some pix
mircea_popescu: it was called... the aurora!
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Blick_%C3%BCber_den_S%C3%BCden_von_Cluj.JPG << there
asciilifeform sings 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'
mircea_popescu: aha lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much of the old-times flats still stand ?
mircea_popescu: all those were there when i was 5
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: the pic looks recent
asciilifeform: troo
mircea_popescu: taller item on down right is a hospital actually. the rest, typical ro 4+1 double-sided apt buildings, 3 rooms and 4 rooms, for 2 parents + 2 kids.
asciilifeform: dish antennae, toyotas.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't even a bad design tbh
mircea_popescu: anyway, this item ran for maybe 10 or 20 sqm, in which there were however many thousands of the blocks they could fit.
mircea_popescu: it was almost entirely built late 60s and throughout 70s, and populated as it was built.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform must confess, that he did not live in a hurscheba-type until it was almost time for the airplane ( after the ancestral home , an early 1900s flat , had been sold )
asciilifeform: i recall asking why is the ceiling low, and nobody had answer.
mircea_popescu: there was answer! "cheaper to heat"!
asciilifeform: well noshit
asciilifeform: and moar plebes per cubometre
mircea_popescu: honeslty i much preferred the density. made all sorts of буржуй bullshit untenable and plain-evidently not desirable.
asciilifeform: oh hm like what ?
mircea_popescu: such as having to explain why she's supposed to strip.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of idle and stupid pompousness "traditional" society still clinged to after ww2 in europe.
mircea_popescu: possibly the lowest precious cuntlet factor i ever encountered in my life ; and i personally credit the active male population and high density.
phf: ^
asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'
mircea_popescu: moscow same deal ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aspect of the coy behaviour.
phf: yeah, pretty much
mircea_popescu: i am somehow not surprised.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aka недавашка ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the happy female is plain and direct. the poorly quartered female is neurotic and generally obnoxious.
asciilifeform: ( is there a straight ro equiv word ..? )
phf: i suspect downtown, where they had "early 1900s flat"s, it was a bit different, but on the periphery of the city, where they had "sleeping neighborhoods" it was pretty much the same as described. (we had 15 storied buildings with a slightly more space in between instead)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there isn't ; chiefly because the old folk didn't want to think about it and the kids such as me had no idea it even existed. "suspicious of trad houses" hides a lot of meaning.
asciilifeform: i ended up, briefly , in a 15 . gotta wonder where the 15 came from , possibly it is 'tallest that folx can endure regularly walking up to with groceries , given that lift ~never works'
mircea_popescu: lifts worked.
asciilifeform: woah
asciilifeform: high-tech.
mircea_popescu: transylvania had this great advantage over run of the mill russo-kirghizstan, in that it was old crown land.
mircea_popescu: ALL SORTS of bs the sovtards were doing other places never happened here.
phf: i don't think i've ever seen a non-working lift in moscow! certainly never two (and there's always two in those 15s) at the same time
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah; worked as long as there was electricity; and if you lived in a town with any big industry,there would be random blackouts meaning you'd get stuck in the lift between floors
phf: oh yeah, the electricity thing…
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but cluj wasn't slatina. it had... computers and chocolate factory and panties and you know... large campus for all the arab friends.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the power ever going out.
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, not exactly industrial city, what
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but odessa is not moscow :D
mircea_popescu: now, the gasoline, that was a major fucking issue.
mircea_popescu: you could have i dun recall, maybe 10 galons/mo ? and the queues looked almost like modern traffic jams.
asciilifeform: by all accounts moscow and rest-of-su were just about separate planets.
diana_coman: at least that: in ploiesti you could get it ...probably even directly from the air I suppose
mircea_popescu: i expect lol.
mircea_popescu: buncha people actually used toluene
mircea_popescu: stolen from the paint factory.
asciilifeform: ( consider the often-used 'light' punishment in su penal code : 'the 101st kilometre' . i.e. exile-from-moscow. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lift discussion notwithstanding, ~best possible thing that can happen to a girl is to spend her 6 to 16 decade going up and down 12 flights of stairs 12+ times each day.
mircea_popescu: dat ass...
asciilifeform: nao this is so.
mircea_popescu: buy her heels and fresh beef and let her be.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750671 << my interest in that stuff was limited to those "unfocus eyes for 3d" things ; and fractals ; and shit like that.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares
mircea_popescu: wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ?
mircea_popescu: the why was never answered.
phf: that was basically what it was. i think there was maybe 3 total "cyberdrug" programs, but the rest was basically visualizers and sound generators lifted from all over
asciilifeform: kidz alsowanted to know the 'why'. is, i suppose, why they did it.
mircea_popescu: there was a mp3 player that ran on the 286, i played clayderman on it while the dots moved. i guess it was kinda cool, or at least teh girls liked it lots.\
mircea_popescu: "O WOW TECHNOLOGY!" ~that~ was the technology. somehow.
asciilifeform: sorta what a kid is, neh, this brownian-motion probe that goes and first does, ~then~ possibly finds out 'why', if it lives.
mircea_popescu: that is true
phf: there was for example the game of life editor/simulator and at the same time winamp with a bunch of plugins bundled
mircea_popescu: this wasn't winamp... wtf was it...
mircea_popescu: no soundblaster or anything, used the speaker. i imagine it cheated and clipped to 16 bit.
mircea_popescu: MPEG only sorta thing.
asciilifeform: afaik no sound decompressor worked worth half a shit on 386 and pre
asciilifeform: was all straight 8b pcm
phf: well, winamp had a visualizer plugin for it, written by a democoder guy who went into gaming (he did, for example, the visualizer for the original xbox). it was a kind of visuals construction kit
mircea_popescu: gah i wish i remembered wtf it was called. it actually had equalizers and shit. 640px vga too
asciilifeform: and was played using clever method , where normally '1-bit' pc speaker membrane was allowed to travel 'partial' way , squeezing extra 'bitness'
mircea_popescu: phf yeah but this sounds like 486 fare
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha!
asciilifeform: you could know that a proggy used this method if you tried to run it on a comp with piezo beeper: would sound like rubbish
mircea_popescu: yup!
asciilifeform: e.g. msdos megagame 'star control 2' used this type of audio
asciilifeform: and a few others
asciilifeform: but afaik was mostly a 'demo' item.
mircea_popescu: molst of the better ones did. they towards the end managed even VOICE
mircea_popescu: !~google crime wave dos game
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMgDJ6EH-CBI>; Download Crime Wave | Abandonia: <http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/535/Crime%2BWave.html>; Crime Wave | ClassicReload.com: <https://classicreload.com/crime-wave.html>
asciilifeform recalls.
phf: hehe
asciilifeform: it ate 100% cpu tho
asciilifeform: so was used sparingly
phf: could be played on my dad's computer at the NII though :p
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.abandonia.com/files/games/535/Crime%20Wave_8.png
asciilifeform: woah, vga!!
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform never saw a colour comp display until usa
phf: i've actually tried playing it quite recently, i couldn't get more than 2 screens forward. i've gotten soft with these modern "video games"
mircea_popescu: that game actually owned any possible videogame store item, they had those quarter operated console things ?
mircea_popescu: phf i recently mastered captain comic with my sister. we used to play it (she shot) when she was like...5 ; then we ACTUALLY managed to finish it, for the first time ever. she was more like 25.
mircea_popescu: !~google cat dos game
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Alley Cat - DOS Nostalgia #1 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQyAngaNVx5Q>; Alley Cat (video game ) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_Cat_(video_game)>; Download Alley Cat | DOS Games Archive: <http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/alley-cat/>
mircea_popescu: YEAH!
asciilifeform: that was my 2nd ever game
mircea_popescu: anyone recall that one ? you're an alley cat ?
asciilifeform: after 'digger'
mircea_popescu: manic miner ?
asciilifeform: i still have 'alley cat'. on hp 200lx.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: !~google digger windmill software
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Digger : Windmill Software : Free Streaming : Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/details/msdos_Digger_1983_1983>; Digger (1983, Windmill Software ) Gameplay - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_Llby6mpU58>; Digger - Back and Digitally Remastered: <http://www.digger.org/>
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: !~google chuckie egg dos game
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Download Chuckie Egg - My Abandonware: <https://www.myabandonware.com/game/chuckie-egg-2jw>; Play Chuckie Egg Online - My Abandonware: <https://www.myabandonware.com/game/chuckie-egg-2jw/play-2jw>; Chuckie Egg gameplay ( PC Game , 1983) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCyzOINa-g0U>
mircea_popescu: aha! that was my 2nd i think ; after the jumping jack one
asciilifeform: hm 'egg' loox like a 'lode runner' clone.
mircea_popescu: q possibly.
phf: mircea_popescu: alley cat triggers some ~really~ old memories, i.e. i played it before i even have conscious awareness of things
asciilifeform: ^^
asciilifeform: recall the room with the cheese ?
phf: there's actually a bunch of games that i only have a vague awareness of that i only spent an hour or two playing at various research facilities and construction sites
asciilifeform: !#s hard hat mack
a111: 1 result for "hard hat mack", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hard%20hat%20mack
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#516664 << subj☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 15:51 asciilifeform: brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is
mircea_popescu: it got my mom off gaming for life ; at first she was kinda into it, but then lost track and burned a steak. got so pissed off she swore off gaminf forever! and stuck to it.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, apity.
mircea_popescu: phf apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750670 exaggeration then ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 asciilifeform: was frightening thing.
asciilifeform: lol rly will compare ipadistry to good ol' proper gamez ??
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing
phf: mircea_popescu: i started contemplating the same thing as soon as i said it :)
mircea_popescu: anyway, duck shot generally 80-100 per.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! and they did this dance, six cats dancing if you did really well. drove my sister up the wall
mircea_popescu: (she could never do it, small kid.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can even now recall the sound.
mircea_popescu: aha some sort of squeak
phf: it is possible that in those situations they deemed it safer to pacify me with a video game, than to let me roam free. although the thinking was probably more a long the lines of "let this young kinder experience this thing that he won't normally, because the computer he's playing on is otherwise used to design important shit and was smuggled through border by tov. popov on his recent trip to CERN" or somesuch
mircea_popescu: right. in other words : let the kid eat the fucking berries, and if it kills him fuck him ; and fuck you too so you get another one
asciilifeform: phf: i had somewhat different kind of 'pusher' in re gamez -- elder brother whose machine it was, and strictly rationed
asciilifeform: he had it , picture this, at home. unfathomable luxury
mircea_popescu: i had it in the livingroom too.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't supposed to "do too much" because "ruin eyes".
mircea_popescu: did not ruin any eyes.
asciilifeform eventually ruined eyes,.
asciilifeform: ( possibly seealso mircea_popescu's thread re weak cancerous meat )
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say "yeah but through masturbation not computation" but then i abstained.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: at least briefly :D
mircea_popescu: (geddit ? ab-stained ?)
ben_vulpes: ugh
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750685 << the problem isn't finding a working one ; fuck, you can prolly MAKE one, and in less time than it takes woman to make you the kid.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 asciilifeform: if you can find a working one
mircea_popescu: the problem is that IT WAS THE PEAK. go, re-make that, if you can.
asciilifeform: ain't this rather like asking latin teacher 'nao go and remake republic of rome!'
mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
asciilifeform: can't remake republic of rome, no. but can still latin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, what's needed is what's needed ; not up to me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not as a 6yo.
asciilifeform: why exactly not
mircea_popescu: because 6yo will speak whatever the cocksucker that didn't speaks.
mircea_popescu: dja know any latin speaking hussies ?
asciilifeform: maybe in that one ro province mircea_popescu wrote about, where togas
mircea_popescu: (decryption key : pregnant woman = cocksucker that didn't)
mircea_popescu: that thing was kinda ended / in any case ending by 1920s.
asciilifeform: sux.
asciilifeform: and here i was just about ready for buying ticket!11
mircea_popescu: hey, ticket you can buy.
mircea_popescu: teh ticketbuying -- works.
asciilifeform: i'd like to revisit upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750941 . i suspect the magic of 8bit micro can still stand . even next to crapple.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:07 mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
asciilifeform: because ~manipulable~ by the kid.
mircea_popescu: to kid eyes ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
asciilifeform: commodore stood up to comparison with e.g. nintendo.
asciilifeform: for young asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: for ~everyone, only bedwetting pussies had whatever you called those non-computer gamestation things
asciilifeform: in usa they were pestilentially common
asciilifeform: still are, as i'm told
asciilifeform: and i still dunget it. dafuq, box that forces you to BUY gamez!
mircea_popescu: the despisement such heresy enjoyed in little mp's circle was only matched by the sort of folk that'd listen to depeche mode.
mircea_popescu: (first, and for many years ONLY meaning i had for "faggot" ie "homalau" in ro was... "actually listens to depeche mode")
mircea_popescu: the notion that they ALSO do butt things came as a much later discovery, and unsurprising! and not even germane. the core still remained the "wtf is this dumb shit" musical taste.
mircea_popescu: but then... electronic music happened and omfg.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, perhaps there's something to alf's hope, in point of fact the criteria was very much "but can't poke the code". that you had to buy cartridges didn't even necessarily land, because evidently if you had some and your friends had some you couldn't play them all at the same time.
mircea_popescu: you also had to buy the casette tapes, so often we didn't bother, just kept trading like a sort of library service.
asciilifeform: thing is, 80s micros had the rom basic. so cassette was really optional, could enter simple gamez from paper, if wholly starved for 'sneakernet'
asciilifeform: and much of the 'formative' aspect was precisely the romtronic prompt
mircea_popescu: well i think i'd have scrounged together the two bux for a RAKS blank before i spent two days typing in
asciilifeform: not everybody had the proper tape deck
mircea_popescu: what did you use btw ? iirc raks was teh tape
asciilifeform: ( for e.g. bk0010, you needed specifically one ~without~ equalizer thing )
mircea_popescu: at some point they came out with a 90minute tape, kicked all ass.
asciilifeform: funnily enough i did not program the 'iskra', was small, programmed already 'commodore' ( and inherited a 8086 a few yrs after )
mircea_popescu: https://news.avclub.com/take-a-tour-of-the-last-audio-cassette-factory-in-exist-1798284330 speaking of.
asciilifeform: the commodore had -- luxury!! -- the 5inch disk drive.
asciilifeform still has it...
mircea_popescu: 5 inch ?!
mircea_popescu: oh disk, i was thinking flexible diskette thing
asciilifeform: 5.25
asciilifeform: !~google 1541 disk drive
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Commodore 1541 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1541>; Commodore Vintage Computer Floppy Drive | eBay: <https://www.ebay.com/b/Commodore-Vintage-Computer-Floppy-Drive/175690/bn_557417>; Commodore 1541 -ii Floppy Disk Drive for C64 | eBay: <https://www.ebay.com/p/Commodore-1541-ii-Floppy-Disk-Drive-for-C64/1424009074>
asciilifeform: ^ subj
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: the one infamous for faster cpu than the comp it connected to
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: and costing moar than the comp as well.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750708 << incidentally re this, following the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750128 divide, it may very well be the case that to pantsuit, it appears as opposite! it is GOOD for the exact reason you judge it dangerous.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:39 asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 00:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
asciilifeform: i dun get it ?
mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.
mircea_popescu: for the pantsuit, the fact that it will soak up with no change or other effect all the time/effort/cyckles etc you put into it IS A SELLING POINT.
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: ecological item-unit, can be stored in the wall and "keep happy" large population of... well...
mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
asciilifeform: as, e.g., commodore, bk, apple1/2, sinclair, mircea_popescutron, etc. did.
mircea_popescu: well technically they first loaded basic
asciilifeform: rom basic
asciilifeform: what load.
mircea_popescu: not so different then from "first loads kernel, then here's your terminal"
asciilifeform: commodore had blinking ready cursor immediately when you flipped power switch.
asciilifeform: because rom.
mircea_popescu: not immediately. took .3 or so
mircea_popescu: because rom but it actually did move it about
asciilifeform: it did, but i never noticed with naked eye. prolly because tv had to warm.
mircea_popescu: yes, but... was still there.
asciilifeform: booted faster than ye olde crt.
mircea_popescu once spent hours pushing the reset button trying to figure out the pattern on the screen
asciilifeform: ( and iirc classical crapples executed the rombasic directly from rom, so 0 boot )
mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
asciilifeform: commodore did the copy-to-ram thing to win the owner a 'cheat' of usable address space
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: you could actually use all 64kB if you overwrote the basic
asciilifeform: ( which you could not, if it lived in rom )
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: the reason this was doable, was that mos6510 -- unlike ye olde 6502 -- had an extra register, that gave you 6 flippable bits , nonmemorymapped; and you could bank-switch with it
asciilifeform: tiny, seemingly, change, but made for whole new kind of micro
asciilifeform: ( i.e. rom got deselected after being copied to ram , so did not sit and uselessly hog addr space )
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: major tech advance, this was, for teh era.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing << It looks like #6 shot pellets are .11" in di., which makes about 225 pellets per oz.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: yeah, so if you actually do tungsten steel shot for duck, you want like 100.
mircea_popescu: lead imo not the best choice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of asciilifeform's persistent crackpotteries, is to reforge this sword. i.e. make comp that fits in kid head .
mircea_popescu: not a bad angle tbh.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677537 approach. )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
phf would also like to use same computer for general computing
asciilifeform: phf: naturally same computer.
asciilifeform: it is to this day my belief that a comp that dun fit-in-kid-head is broken by design.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lead imo not the best choice. << ah. one reason that i prefer lead over steel shot is that it tends to not break my teeth when I bite into one.
mircea_popescu: im not so certain of that ; most plowing happens happily with plows the ploughsmen could not replicate.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but at larger distance / larger size it kinda taints the meat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody said kid oughta know how to smelt the sand, gassify fluorine, etch chipz.
mod6: true enough too.
asciilifeform: but to know what makes the program -- oughta.
mircea_popescu: problem of temperatures etc. if you keep it small sure, but as it grows gets more energy... not so good, leadcooked duck.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751018 << they all did this, because 'randomized' memory on boot ( no addr lines were wasted making video switchable on/off , so you could see the rubbish when power came up )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:30 mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: it was asciilifeform's first close-up playing with 'random'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's this type of thing that makes it good. kid's eternal interest, once he gets out of learning his mom's language, is figuring out THE SECRET of dad's tools.
mircea_popescu: because evidently there's secrets.
mircea_popescu: and with a well compressed, angry item like the z80, there's plenty of such "accidentally caught glimpse of santa naked" events
asciilifeform: re tools, asciilifeform was given saws, nails, hammers, then wires, diodes, etc long before comp
mircea_popescu: yes but what can you do with a saw.
mircea_popescu: "could diodeman beat up hammerguy???"
asciilifeform: you'd think not much. but can even more readily learn 'reality has a shape and a resistance-of-medium objectively' than with comp.
mircea_popescu: true.
asciilifeform: i actually wish , in retrospect, that i'd had an extra year of saw, hammer, before comp.
mircea_popescu: cnc mill|!
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: we had a tired old horizontal mill as 11-12-13yos.
mircea_popescu: "practical studies" or something. the girls knitted.
mircea_popescu: an hour a week.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it.
asciilifeform: preparation for bureaucracy.
mircea_popescu: http://www.seprocom.ro/ofertesh2004/strung-paralel2_clip_image002.jpg <<< exact item, actually.
asciilifeform: dat's a lathe mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: and a pretty common one in su world
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform would luvv one.
asciilifeform: my current one is sewingmachine-sized.
mircea_popescu: this was like a ton.
asciilifeform: ( and even it, i suspect, will have to be sold, won't fit in orbit capsule )
asciilifeform: well noshit, proper lathe has steel pedestal
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: it's what makes it stiff, usable.
mircea_popescu: 4kw or such too.
asciilifeform: there is a misconception that 'fine' 'watchmaker' work wants small lathes.
asciilifeform: nothing could be more mistaken -- the finer the work, the stiffer you want the thing
mircea_popescu: word.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only multi-kw, but proper gearbox
mircea_popescu: saw the ancient marble ones ? for jewelrywork ?
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: sad tabletop lathes typically lack gearing, period
mircea_popescu: marble actually better than steel, no temp-mechanics
asciilifeform: how to grind marble flat , also was learned prior to how to grind steel .
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's little lathe has brass, interestingly, bed. 1970s item, even then ground rails were costly )
mircea_popescu: o look, you can actually buy the modern version. same maker. Arad SN 401, 2,5 tons, 7.5kW, made 1987.
asciilifeform: nifty.
asciilifeform: maybe asciilifeform will buy !
mircea_popescu: not even fucking expensive. course it's 380 so you'll have to get that
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: 1250rpm max 25 min, 400mm/105mm this isn't even bad
ben_vulpes: proper lathe has /cast iron/ pedestal
ben_vulpes: graphite flakes in the medium damp vibrations
asciilifeform: point
asciilifeform: it's a lathe, tho, not a holography rig , stiffness moar important than dampening
ben_vulpes: resonance is a bitch.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh /me regards the lathe as the definitive item. for the obvious reason : lathe can build milling machine way the fuck easier than the other way around
asciilifeform: lathe is ~the~ basic metalwork item.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: foundation of all industry, really.
ben_vulpes: good luck cutting drivescrews on a mill lol
mircea_popescu: ikr
mircea_popescu: yup.
asciilifeform: dedicated mill is a luxury.
asciilifeform: didn't even mostly exist in 19th c
asciilifeform: consider, to this day, what's a machinist called in most civilized folk langs
asciilifeform: ( even in english, until recently was 'turner' )
ben_vulpes: sadly, 'operator' now. special booth on floor for guys who plan cutterhead trajectories; 'programmers'.
asciilifeform: токарь . Dreher . tourneur . etc
asciilifeform: all 'turners'.
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en strungar
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: turner
mircea_popescu: item is "strung".
asciilifeform: hm what's the etymology
asciilifeform: is there rotation in there ?
mircea_popescu: nope,
asciilifeform: or cognate with стружка e.g. saw chip
mircea_popescu: word has no familiy ; lonesome import from possibly czech
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. i expect something like that.
asciilifeform: root строгать -- what you do with a carpenter's plane
mircea_popescu: the action is "a strunji" ; the g to j morph is very indicative of it having been imported from dalmatia
asciilifeform: dict says стружка is 'a shaving'
mircea_popescu: ro thinks it's from "slavonian" which makes 0 fucking sense. what, old church books on lathe ?
asciilifeform recalls a metal shaving thermite thread from yr or 2 ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc modern ro 'academic' position is that all ru-isms are really 'slavonian', lol
mircea_popescu: "2 you shall not count, unless in time then proceed to lathe. 4 is right out!"
mircea_popescu: you should see the ukrainian position.
mircea_popescu: but hey -- don't like it, be friendlier next time!
asciilifeform: last i heard 'the ancient ukrs had wireless : archaeologists, see, found 0 wires !!'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, im giving up on catching up with this log before lunch.
mircea_popescu: catchyall laters.
asciilifeform: ( then of course occasional archaeologist turns up item that vaguely looks like wire, or bolt head, the ufologists swarm, like flies )
asciilifeform: laters.
asciilifeform also to fresh air
mod6: c-ya
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running. << Since arriving I have been primarily drinking faucet water and coffees with occasial forays into the local bottled water and juices.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ? << What does any idle escapism promise?
diana_coman: now I wonder whether asciilifeform knows what "drujba" means in Romanian, lol
asciilifeform: that one is no accident, is named for the canonical 1950s-70s su chainsaw
asciilifeform: the one with lawn-cutter motor, that dwarfs the saw blade per se
diana_coman: I know it's no accident, yes; still funny though
asciilifeform: but , diana_coman , my current fave is vrednik
asciilifeform: err, vrednic
asciilifeform: a вредник is, approx, a pest ( as in annoying kid brother )
asciilifeform: whereas my ro dict translates 'vrednic' -- 'worthy, notable'
diana_coman: aha; well, depending on whose vrednic it is...
asciilifeform: lol
diana_coman: although to be honest I wouldn't have defined it as notable, hmm
diana_coman: to me its main meaning is of someone capable/doing stuff and doing it properly
asciilifeform: however the champion's crown for (possibly) ultimate hilarious false-cognate lang sibling to ru is not ro
asciilifeform: but czech
asciilifeform: !~seen jurov
jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <jurov> mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
asciilifeform: https://ribalych.ru/2016/05/06/kupite-vonyavki << subj earlier.
asciilifeform: ( examples. )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it. << In highschool we had "forestry" class that consisted of maintaining walkable path near edge of school grounds. Got to fell smaller weedy trees with reciprocating saw (i.e. sharp fucksaw)
asciilifeform: from earlier lulzwww, https://ribalych.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/anekdoty-i-kartinki_006.jpg << for mircea_popescu .
mod6: asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg
diana_coman: that actually looks quite like it to me at least, mod6
mod6: ah, thx diana_coman
mod6: how's it goin?
diana_coman: mod6, so far so good, preparing ch2 for tomorrow
diana_coman: how's it going for you?
mod6: ah, good. busy. i need to dig into stan's ch2 still. been tinkering around with the wallet.
mod6: I also want to spend a few minutes here soon and adapt my FFA unit tests to the vpatches that stan has released thus far.
mod6: (I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)
mod6: There've been a few small adjustments to the code since then.
diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
diana_coman: of* someone else's patches I guess
mod6: Hm. Well, depends on which project I suppose. For trb, one can send such signatures of pre-existing vpatches to the ML, whereby I can scoop them up and place them in the Foundation's repository as needed.
mod6: For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.
mod6: *designate
diana_coman: makes sense
mircea_popescu: all this discussion of hunting got me all fired up, so went to chinese store bought myself some fireworks.
mircea_popescu: i swear, some of these things look perfectly apt for antisubmarine warfare.
mod6: nice!
mircea_popescu: but briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750551 : that the various "survivalists" and other "prepper" "communities" all over the us are directly reducible to their weight in retards is directly evident not simply from the patent inanity of schemes like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662898 (or for that matter 10 minutes spent on orlov's nonsense). it's much simpler shit such as : if they were EVEN VAGUELY☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:53 mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 18:25 mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
mircea_popescu: serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.
mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
mircea_popescu: especially on modern tech this could work fabulously well. 1. cross all the items you'd like ; 2. cross all the items you absolutely do not want. hunter centralizes this, goes and shoots. literally, "your steak in the mail by 10am"
mod6: Hypothetically, one could just change that
mircea_popescu: and yes it does mean you'll have to buy meat "you don't want". fuck you, survivalism.
mod6: well, nevermind. suppose that won't work. anyway, there is some groundwork laid.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready. << fair enough. no reason to leave some of these things up to chance.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751186 <<< Recall, mod6 that you and I discussed this but may have been im PM. I hard-baked sdf and localhost servers in your V and it built trb fine☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo who ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, in other advantages of living in tiny spec of a country : i went for that steak i was considering yest. across from my table, laura chincilla (ex president)
mod6: mircea_popescu started us off with 10, some guy threw in 10, I threw in 10 + a bunch of change while testing
mircea_popescu: wow. so it's more like... half a mil rly ?
mod6: i'd have to dig it up, i forget who the gentlemen is.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The paranoid one who wanted to put coins somewhere safer than he could keep them started with a t, will dig
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-16#1344134☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-16 02:46 mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: nice
mod6: Ahh, that's it.
mircea_popescu: well there you go, you've got more than most foundations out there.
mod6: shinohai: ahh, that's right. good memory.
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough.
mod6: If all goes well with BingoBoingo's adventures, we may have a reoccurring infrastructure expense to manage. Should be very manageable.
mod6: Shouldn't be too bad anyway.
mircea_popescu: yea srsly.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Yellen poked US interest rates up by a quarter point before the door meets her ass.
mircea_popescu: 1980s style 8% is quite on the table actually.
BingoBoingo: As is 18%
BingoBoingo: Thrashing is how do contain
BingoBoingo: Not as directional an activity as threshing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 18:14 asciilifeform: dime lol
mircea_popescu: fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.
shinohai: neato
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750808 << this possibly deserves dwelling. so, as far as biology is concerned, there is a very direct problem sexual dimorphism bestows upon the female, referenced now and again in logs (eg http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551894 ) as well as the possibly related psychological issue (coy behaviour, lotta words on trilema re this).☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 18:26 asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:06 mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.
mircea_popescu: now, as it happens said behaviour is a terrible strategy in postmodernity (basically, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-21#727929 ie you'll lose out on EXACTLY the long tail SV.VC can not afford to lose) ; but the remnants of a pre-modern time manifest in the lowest forms of culture -- such as disney films ; and passive socialization.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-06-21 22:43 mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%
mircea_popescu: girly ends up persuaded that she has a very valuable something she must take great good care of between her legs -- her precious cuntlet.
mircea_popescu: drives a whole class of neurotic behaviour that ultimately ensures her social marginality, economic poverty and personal dishappiness (not mere unhappiness, as the absence of happiness, but the exact constructed OPPOSITE of happiness)
mircea_popescu: a concern with "privacy", preoccupations with "feminism" in the ustardian sense, complete unskilled cluelessness etcetera are all great predictors of the underlying syndrome.
mircea_popescu: "snowderella or what's her name DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO STAY ALIVE till the prince came, why should i hit the threadmill". how did he come ? well... that's his problem! and his business! as a prince, to come! (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749973 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:32 mircea_popescu: LEONIDA (în luptă cu somnul): Treaba statului, domnule, el ce grije are? pentru ce-l avem pe el? e datoria lui să-ngrijească să aibă oamenii lefurile la vreme..."
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s
mircea_popescu: traight gold or in PPP than it was in 17ad.
mircea_popescu: it's true that women also have the avenue of not-being-animals anymore, but this happens to have opened just as most "jobs" got destroyed. so yes that works for a 5% of them, and another 10% or so could pretend and convincingly hope. the majority however, very much confront the pork bellies are $2 problem.
mircea_popescu: which neatly sends the precious-cuntlet syndrome straight into metaphysics, "there's a thing beyond the sensible which makes me valuable, let's call it emotions and you could never understand".
mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the mental pathology we call ustardianism directly derives from this fundamentally economic problem.
mircea_popescu: (neurotic here is used properly -- as the opposite of psychotic, which is to say, attempting to resolve psychological tension through self-transduction rather than reality-reconstruction.)
mircea_popescu: (transduction also term of art in biology, but ima stop before retyping the whole thesaurus by hand)
asciilifeform for 1st time in long time, sits down to mega-l0g, eats
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751163 << indeed it is☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 21:09 mod6: asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751171 << aside from FZ's not being structs any longer, there shouldn't be much that you can't fix with search+replace☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 21:54 mod6: (I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << same protocol as everybody uses for their original sigs -- just put'em somewhere people can see'em , they'll end up in phf's thing☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:00 diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751185 << but! then, they'd have to confront the fact that the land can support maybe 1 in 20 of'em .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mircea_popescu: serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.
asciilifeform: optimistically.
mircea_popescu: is this survivalism or is this comfortingalism /
asciilifeform: whatdoyouthink.
mircea_popescu: i don't have time to think
mircea_popescu: OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
asciilifeform: 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to fr 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: "Votre mot, camarade Mauser!"
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: oh notbad
mircea_popescu: it's actually from alice in wonderland.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: and mine -- from mayakovsky
mircea_popescu: well yes
mircea_popescu: but have you ever had an ostrich burger.
asciilifeform: nope. (tho they are sold widely here. but can't bring meself to eat ameriburger at all, not after the 1st one)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751191 << lol, did we just see mircea_popescu thinking in zimbabwebux !111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:27 mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?
mircea_popescu: there was a brief craze with "ostrich farms" at some point late 90s, but meh. it's just not very good.
asciilifeform: there was, i even saw the occasional ostrich in dc suburbia back yards in '90s
asciilifeform: 1st time i thought it was delirium dream
mircea_popescu: !~tr ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751194 << there was a d00d, iirc he was going mad, decided to get rid of his coinz..☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:30 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: жажда зеленых листьев, птица, как свинья, нет.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: going mad ?!
asciilifeform: nm looks like BingoBoingo linked : TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: !~seen TheNewDeal
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen TheNewDeal.
asciilifeform: !#seen TheNewDeal
a111: 2016-01-22 <TheNewDeal> so so, how bout you?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751219 << aaa☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16030.0, vol: 17172.64030044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16051.0, vol: 63032.24001347 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15995.4, vol: 3281.82689278 | Volume-weighted last average: 16044.4948324
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, what's the definition of tov popov ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751233 << softer version of the industrial world's 'abort everything that moves' issue☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:16 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
mircea_popescu: though that's an overpopulation problem ; india is stuck in a different sphere.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#selection-347.0-349.784 << see also.
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: whole item -- pertinent, imho.
mircea_popescu: it is.