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mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then ☟︎
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606203 << There is only a daily repreive contingent on improving one's spiritual condition ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:11 danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
mats: my time in OSUT was a breeze and mostly an exercise in schadenfreude, its a cake walk unless you're mentally unstable or a fatbody
mats: worst part was not having anything mentally stimulating to do, i had to ask people to send me books in the mail so i could read something besides labels on shampoo bottles and the fucking bible
mats: i went to all of the religious services - even the one for wiccans - to collect reading materials and sleep in the pews
asciilifeform: mats: they give'em time to read bibles?!!
ben_vulpes: mats: how many times have you read the old testament?
mats: asciilifeform: a coupla hours per day were dedicated just to standing around waiting for shit to happen, ie, waiting for the cattle trucks to appear so they could shuttle recruits to the training sites
danielpbarron: oh boy Bible talk :D
mats: ben_vulpes: i grew up in the church, so... i lost count
asciilifeform: mats: sounds like heaven
asciilifeform: mats: you could play chess in your head! etc
mats: its mind numbing, i did actually play chess on paper as a mental exercise for some weeks
mats: e4 e5 ... f3 c6 ... etc. looking back it does feel like i kinda slept through most of it, standing up
ben_vulpes: mats: ah well i can see how it'd be less than riveting then
mats: the best part was watching fatties get yelled at and smoked for being unable to complete exercises
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 20:13 asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
danielpbarron uses zoneedit
danielpbarron: used to be a very nice qntra-esque interface but "upgraded" to web2.0 a few years ago.
shinohai: ah interesting danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: aws console is very heavy on the javascript, but light on the ux
danielpbarron: i only have the one domain and it doesn't need changing so I rarely have to actually use the thing
shinohai: !~bible 1 Corinthians 13 4-8
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
shinohai: !~bible 1 Cor 13 4-8
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
shinohai: ?
shinohai: f
danielpbarron: you sure you want to print 5 lines?
ben_vulpes: "this is my domain. there are many like it, but this one is mine."
danielpbarron: if you could find a NKJV to put in there, it would keep most things on a single line, but KJV is always 1 verse 1 line
danielpbarron: but anyway it's 1 Cor 13:4-8
ben_vulpes: one man, one verse, one vote, one line ☟︎
shinohai: !~bible 1 Corinthians 13:8
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 13:8 :: Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
shinohai: thats it i was checking if it banned > 3 lines! :D
ben_vulpes: heh
danielpbarron: shinohai, it didn't. you need a colon between chapter and verse(s)
ben_vulpes: i made people read corinthians at standup for a while
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606183 << watch peanut gallery take 360 on tpp, since trump did it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:02 ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
shinohai: ty
shinohai: but no, more than 5 lines is reserved for private channels
ben_vulpes: phf: tpp would have saved clitorises and improved livelihoods of innumerable foreign brown people
ben_vulpes: you racist
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does it work with non-aws servers?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you can point whatever record at whichever ip
asciilifeform: sooo wat's the catch
ben_vulpes: you have to give jeff bezos money?
ben_vulpes: by my read it's a small side thing they provide to get as much ops cognition to happen through their tooling as possible
trinque: it's not like AWS is *more* usgtronic than namecheap et al
trinque: gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry ☟︎☟︎
mod6: evenin'
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
phf: asciilifeform: i somehow missed that later tell, i thought it was in pm
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 21:47 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
asciilifeform: i can't really think of any excuse why the 'machine anchor' of common lisp HAS to be any bigger than, e.g., tinyscheme's
asciilifeform: (i.e. the portion not written in 'itself')
ben_vulpes: strandh got his working in llvm in relatively short order
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what means 'on llvm'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: rather, what does the build chain look like in this example ?
ben_vulpes: step1: buy an apple box
phf: ben_vulpes: you mean clang?
phf: err
ben_vulpes: i
phf: clasp
ben_vulpes: don't know?
ben_vulpes: yse
ben_vulpes: yes*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: llvm is mighty heavy, so i'm not sure how this statement disproves mine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't really know what you're asking. his uses llvm-ir to tie into cpp, it's the ~whole point of it.
asciilifeform: what i am asking is to dispense with the motherfucking cpp.
ben_vulpes: and yes wtf llvm is an iridium brick of apple compiler phd time
asciilifeform: and the horse it rode in on.
asciilifeform: 64kB of asm or fuckoff.
ben_vulpes: you don't want this nice abstraction layer?
asciilifeform: (e.g., Mulisp, is 47kB!)
ben_vulpes: you won't even taste the poop anymore. it's really nice...
phf: well, you can probably write an evaluator for lisp core (and host something like sicl on top), but the result is going to be dog slow, at which point you'll have to work out an optimization strategy that's not going to leave scaring. that's a long and careful project, an anathema in open source
asciilifeform: i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm) ☟︎
phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard") ☟︎
asciilifeform: optimization has to begin with sane evaluator design (e.g. appropriate use of the type bits, integrated numeric tower, cdr-coding)
phf: it's also possible that the development cycle that involves basically no way to twitch (i.e. you're either hacking for 5 hours or gaming for 2 or you're on "trilema bbs" for 30 minutes) has something to do with it ;)
asciilifeform: eh the ancients had distractions of their own.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606296 << SICL's status makes a lot more sense in-context: "It is intentionally divided into many implementation-independent modules that are written in a totally or near-totally portable way, so as to allow other implementations to incorporate these modules from SICL, rather than having to maintain their own, perhaps implementation-specific versions" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:16 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-american-consumer-in-two-photos << CH - The American consumer, in two photos
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606239 << d00d has some rather surreal 'thousand year usg reich' wtf, e.g., https://huwieler.net/2015/10/30/quantum-cyber-warfare-the-defense-policy-we-dont-have-but-should/ ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:24 mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'will Quantum Computing be to Cyber warfare what Nuclear weapons have been to kinetic warfare? And if it is, how can the U.S. DoD establish a world-wide, non-proliferation security regime?'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mats: its humorous, really ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606256 << o noes we even have VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH nao ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:39 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606168 << this will be VERBOTEN HATE SPEECH but amazon's registration and dns record handling is entirely adequate
mircea_popescu: almost like a real irl state and errythang
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606273 << one man, one verse, one truck, one reverse ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:44 ben_vulpes: one man, one verse, one vote, one line
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606292 << this is actually pretty solid reasoning. ie, if you're going to live in soviet union, might as well live in moscow. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:58 trinque: gonna DNS at all, might as well do it at the most-fed ministry
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606322 << you'll have to one day sit down and explain to me exactly what you mean by "optimization strategy". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:51 phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard")
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606333 << i'm with mats. "dod", seriously ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 06:14 mats: its humorous, really
ben_vulpes: "bezzle ops for bezzle corps"
ben_vulpes: our options are to scratch in the dirt or pretend that a life made of plastic is worth living.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/10729577345/ << disregard the meatsack, gaze in wonder at the caddy
mircea_popescu: those'd generally be teh options yeah
ben_vulpes: in other artificial intelligences: https://player.vimeo.com/video/192711856
davout: wtf am i watching
ben_vulpes: AaronvanW: fix your connection.
ben_vulpes: davout: hard to tell from over here
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-cias-flickr-account << CH - The CIA's flickr account
davout: your article made me realize that US and mauritian politics now share this "let's put my son in charge" monkeystantronic attribute
mod6: mornin'
thestringpuller: Kim Dotcom, from MegaUpload to Bitcoin GLBSE scammer.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE2D1AFD7DCD592ADC6C52193DCABE95F5A5577E9C902FC60CE156B05BC24E5D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1739...5987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.74.151.176 (ssh-rsa key from 80.74.151.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE2D1AFD7DCD592ADC6C52193DCABE95F5A5577E9C902FC60CE156B05BC24E5D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1783...9187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.74.151.176 (ssh-rsa key from 80.74.151.176 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CH)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606330 << all that her bs... ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 06:09 a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 00:24 mats: https://huwieler.net/2017/01/18/chelsea-manning-in-basic-combat-training << luls, guy that went to BCT with Manning says he was a little bitch even then
mircea_popescu: dude ~maybe~, if i know them personally and care on some sort of level i might update some dork's gender. unless you invent fucking vlsi the odds aren't too good of that.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-deal-with-little-girls/ << Trilema - How to deal with little girls
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. epic write-up.
mircea_popescu: mats i tell you guy almost makes me want to sign up.
mircea_popescu: "At the end of the field exercise, that holdover was walking up to groups of us, offering to sell us candy for $20 a package. We all knew to keep our distance from him – he was untrustworthy, he was in trouble, and he was only going to get you in trouble too if you associated with him. And yet, Chelsea Manning bought a package of M&Ms from him for $20. I remember that scene, because Manning was not quiet about it. She was p
mircea_popescu: ractically bragging out loud that she had contraband candy. At six weeks into basic training, it just wasn’t worth it, and yet that scene has stayed with me all these years, because for Manning, it somehow was worth it. Maybe by then, she thought she had nothing else to lose."
mircea_popescu: dude's not very perceptive. manning evidently comes from a broken home, which instilled the expectation that Mommy is somehow significantly more powerful than Daddy.
mircea_popescu: which is why he joined the army, too, trying to bait that absent father ; and which is WHY the candy thing. didn't want the fucking candy anymore than i do. just wanted to see if dog may be enticed to bark in the exact manner that'd get it shot ?
mircea_popescu: and this is what he was doing with the wikileaks, too. until the day he dies, pvt c manning will be looking to reassure himself that yes, totally, mommy rules!
asciilifeform: it read exactly like traditional description of 'destined to be lowered into pederasty' d00d in ru prison
mircea_popescu: letting him out of prison is likely the dumbest thing obama ever did. not in terms of impact, which it entirely lacks, but in terms of concentration.
mircea_popescu: it's a tiny m&m of stupid.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: notice that the feathering thing is actually curative, as proven by the fact that absent the men, rooster did it to himself.
mircea_popescu: found some nice gals in white lab coats and well...
asciilifeform: actually iirc manning was never snipped
asciilifeform: only hormonized
mircea_popescu: "In 2007, the U.S. Army was habitually failing to meet its monthly recruiting goals; the application standards relaxed and a great cross-section of humanity ended up reporting for duty that warm October at Fort Leonard Wood. In the company, there was a 17-year-old who had enlisted with a waiver, and there was: a 42-year-old mother of three who was terrified of needles; a new grandmother to a brand-new infant granddaughter; an
mircea_popescu: d a former coffee distributor in South America in his mid-thirties who everyone still called “Grandpa.” One recruit ironically named “Goesforth” went AWOL within 48 hours of arrival, deserted the military, and was never seen again.
mircea_popescu: One recruit in fourth platoon had been homeless before he joined, and another had blown his entire first university semester’s tuition on OxyContin before he dropped out and enlisted. One recruit was a Mexican citizen who was willing to go to Iraq and fight for the United States in exchange for expedited citizenship. Another was a female with dual German/American citizenship who was so short, the German Army wouldn’t take
mircea_popescu: her, so she joined up with the Americans instead. Charlie 82d had dads in their mid-thirties, and it had dads not yet old enough to buy beer. My platoon had a single mom who had been working as an exotic dancer before she raised her right hand and took the oath; another had married young, got divorced and wanted to get as far away from her Ex as possible; she figured the Middle East was probably far enough, but if he tried t
mircea_popescu: o find her there, he’d probably just get blown up by an IED – problem solved."
mircea_popescu: basically the us army is a ridiculous menagerie. AND the whole fucking point, from the pov of the obama DoS, is exactly that it not only stay that way, but never again become an actual army.
mircea_popescu: "What is not accurate is the false and felonious image of the U.S. military on which the defense of her conduct has been, at its root, predicated: that somehow everyone in her formative years in the military was practically part of a tribe of 6’2”, overly-aggressive Alpha males pumping testosterone out their pores who ganged up on the smallest in the group and tore her apart out of hyper-machismo intolerance; that War is
mircea_popescu: so brutish and nasty, that Warriors too must be. That is simply not accurate." << apparently you can get random dork to support the termiting, also, for as long as you call him a "chinese linguist" or w/e the fuck.
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder, a new model army of old strippers and youthful gramas, dedicated to the global fight against the tribe of 6 foot 2 "overly" aggressive Alpha males pumping testosterone out their pores.
asciilifeform: hey it's how they abolished conscription. put folx from unemployment queue in uniform.
mircea_popescu: except its not folx.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of the considerations pof the case, what remais is that random "intelligence analyst" thinks army should be dedicated to the rooting out of manhood.
mircea_popescu: the way things shape up, this current nazism is actually a lot more insane than the original german version. holy shit, what, you want to kill ~men~ ?!
ben_vulpes: based on historical record alone it is very unlikely but i put the chances that mircea_popescu dramatically underestimates the scale and scope of insanity running amok in the states at ~5%
mircea_popescu: hey, i don't live there, so...
mircea_popescu: quite possibru.
danielpbarron: oh, from who can I get a copy of mp-wp ? my blog box seems to have crapped out once and for all. figure it's a good excuse to migrate to something better
mircea_popescu: ican't recall if ben_vulpes or phf were maintaining it. who was it ?
ben_vulpes: shinohai`:
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'll root around for mine later today
danielpbarron: k, thanks
mircea_popescu: o was it shinohai` ?
ben_vulpes: dunno that he ever formally undertook it
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://lwn.net/Articles/712366/
asciilifeform: '...trivial systemd local root exploit, that
asciilifeform: was silently fixed in the upstream git.. The analysis says that is a "possible DoS", but its a local root exploit...'
mircea_popescu: heh not the first time someone lies on exploit analysis
shinohai: danielpbarron: I have an archive i can get you later this evening, i moved this morning and setting up nw
ben_vulpes: eheh in other dependent hacks, dog wanted to destroy things the child was throwing, so i gave the child a lemon to throw around. dog will chase, but not retrieve the lemon.
mircea_popescu: lol
danielpbarron: no rush