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asciilifeform: meanwhile, in world of wikitards, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1927&cpage=1#comment-18369
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9768.26, vol: 24838.62685390 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9677.2, vol: 122749.34195273 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9871.0, vol: 6717.04767699 | Volume-weighted last average: 9700.29431853
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ch.1 of ffa article series just about done.
asciilifeform: expect it tomorrow.
asciilifeform: ( + vgenesis )
mod6: cool!
BingoBoingo: TBI statement baking
BingoBoingo: Reading S.MG statements and S.NSA statements to see how the problem of spending has been handled in past republican ventures
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation's STATE OF BITCOIN ADDRESS: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000278.html
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mod6: o7
BingoBoingo: 07
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ << Trilema - When did America end ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform awww lol y teh haet! dude's trying.
mircea_popescu was even gonna reply to his reply, then noticed the google thing and recalled why he hasn't been commenting, something /me was vaguely wondering about
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, i just managed to link TWO DOZEN trilema articles from this latest one. i think that takes the cake.
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 1: Genesis.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu !
mats: ugh, at a conf where a fed is pimping ‘trusona’, some biometric nonsense, and telling folks to shitcan passwords
mats: no mention of rsa
mats: not sexy
asciilifeform: mats: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-19#883672 and elsewhere.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-19 18:39 asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg
mircea_popescu: hola
mircea_popescu: mats hey, usg's been trying to shitcan the whole it security thing since day one.
mats: admitting to the worthlessness of fingerprints would result in twenty year judicial backlog of reviews
asciilifeform: 100+ yrs.
asciilifeform: and 1e8 accused folx who are no longer half as intimidated into confession.
asciilifeform: Would Be Wrong (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: there is no manner available currently of runing physical-space law&order without the fingerprint construct.
asciilifeform: mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1.
asciilifeform: and got the expected result.
diana_coman goes to read
mircea_popescu: moreover, if you took a year's worth of court practice of your choice, listed all the inferences made in a sort of mega-AST and then sorted this list by tenuousness measured how you will, the fingerprint construct wouldn't make any sort of top.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only because 'religious precept' and nobody even entertains the idea of a serious attack.
mircea_popescu: all society works like this.
asciilifeform: noshit.
mircea_popescu: cannibalism, also "only because... and nobody entertains..."
asciilifeform: 'waddayamean no witches'
mircea_popescu: marrying dudes, fucking children, whatever matter of conventional behaviour is a convention.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744952 << mega-piece btw☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 17:19 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/when-did-america-end/ << Trilema - When did America end ?
asciilifeform takes off hat.
mircea_popescu: dja like ?
asciilifeform: 'I do believe it's better this way. She was bitterly sad every day of the last years' reminds asciilifeform of his (younger) grandfather, who narrowly missed the '90s
mircea_popescu: kinda not so enamoured with the shoemeister ?
mircea_popescu: (i find it amusing how all the later day soviet saints have some shoe reference readily accessible to be retrieved by)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, diana_coman , trinque , ben_vulpes , et al : lemme know if you were able to follow the ffa tutorial ch1. <+asciilifeform> and got the expected result. << will take a look for sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which shoemeister
mircea_popescu: you recall, guy was at the un, took shoe off banged table.
asciilifeform: that'd be hrusch
asciilifeform: not the least bit '90s
mircea_popescu: well yes. i took narrowly missing the 90s to mean he lived last days during khruschev's tenure
asciilifeform: mno, died '91.
mircea_popescu: a
asciilifeform: hrusch 'retired' in '64
mircea_popescu: o shit, you're right.
asciilifeform: but no, not fan of 'the marked man'
mircea_popescu: i had this brejnev-khruschev thing in my head.
asciilifeform: ( gorby often 'меченый' in folk parlance , from the birthmark )
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf can haz ffa-genesis and subsequent patches inserted into your spiffy patch viewer btcbase.org/patches ??
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/tqtkm/ << Trilema - TQTKM
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vvwce/?raw=true
phf: asciilifeform: si, also i'll look for the ada source, pretty sure i have it
asciilifeform: phf: new one
asciilifeform: phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1744956☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 17:57 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 1: Genesis.
phf nods
asciilifeform: phf: i 'pedagogized' it, will be a series of vpatches.
phf: i've been following the log
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform bbl,meat
phf: though a bit of shame that annotation narrative is lost in vpatch
phf: i also saw your romanian dictionary vpatch, but i'm keeping it out for now, because at 2mb or whatever it is, it's putting some stress on gc
mircea_popescu: oh, is size a consideration in that sense ?
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10597.63, vol: 17290.56679003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10592.0, vol: 87963.98571419 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10660.0, vol: 4760.24698717 | Volume-weighted last average: 10595.8271459
diana_coman: aaand gprbuild 2011-4 apparently is strictly married with gnat4.6; gah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bSyas/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay hanbot 5
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/W6zcF/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !~later tell hanbot http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gNYJr/?raw=true
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got it!!
asciilifeform: will answer last numeric q in gpggram in a bit , hands full atm
phf: mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be really, i just need to tune it
mircea_popescu: !!pay asciilifeform 0.26916256
mircea_popescu: phf aok
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XQWRj/?raw=true
phf: but it does do a lot of tedious manipulation of lists of lines, so at >n lines it starts generating a lot of garbage
trinque: mircea_popescu: looks like I have some deposits to credit. one sec. your hanbot one did not go through.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: prepping for travel, will probably review on the plane
mircea_popescu: o.O
phf: asciilifeform: i added your ffa, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa
phf: colorizer is missing ada support, so i'm slowly hacking in the highlighter http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/ffademo/ffa_io.adb comments and strings so far. i'm going to add keywords now and then leave it be
mircea_popescu: trinque while at it, can there be an acct history to check on this side ? or what's iyo the ideal approach here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pantsuit << phf's spiffy histogram rendering the birth of a notion.
trinque: that's coming, full transaction history
mircea_popescu: cool.
phf: nice
asciilifeform: phf: colour is a luxury . for so long as it knows that comments begin with --
asciilifeform: then a-ok
phf: yeah, it does at this point
phf: i've had color disabled in my editors for years now, though some color like comments and string sequences is somewhat handy
mircea_popescu: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8ZDg9/?raw=true
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJhlc/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis << neato phf !!
asciilifeform: in the next chapter i will link to this.
mircea_popescu: trinque http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hNK0H/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: in other news, this footlong plastic calzador i vbought at flexi (local shoe store) is one hell of a buttpaddle.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb << coad loox perfectly ok, phf
mircea_popescu: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8_GvwX_zIXKJkSafVq6yWgXXaL/BSAID-1-Unids-Calidad-Extra-Largo-Calzador-18-5-pulgadas-font-b-Flexible-b-font-Easy.jpg << item.
mircea_popescu: phf is it double-wide intentionally ?
phf: mircea_popescu: nope, it's a styling bug, which needs to be fixed, but i've been having hard time with it last time i tackled it (but i don't remember what was the issue, something related to tables and <pre>s)
asciilifeform: waitasec wat's doublewide
mircea_popescu: ah k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform annotation style printouts (every line is followed by an empty line)
asciilifeform: hm not seeing this here
phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/doublewide.png
mircea_popescu: basically fits half as much on your screen, but leaves plenty of room for writing in things on paper.
asciilifeform: yea just a few sec ago finally saw, it shows up on lynx
mircea_popescu: it does.
asciilifeform: oh hey phf , colours!!
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb ok i've thrown in reserved words
asciilifeform: pretty great.
mircea_popescu: lol he was live-reloading it
asciilifeform loaded a pg and saw NIL NIL NIL and scratched head
phf: :>
phf: i can do other useful features, like
mircea_popescu: alf's browser (emacs) includes live-browsing extension, sends 4k px wide 100fps film of the page to his tape ticker.
mircea_popescu: alf reviews nightly.
phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb
mircea_popescu: cocks useful routine.
phf: makes code more readable
mod6: where are the balls?
mircea_popescu: i guess there should be a product COKCS
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: COCKS : COCKS(COCKS .. COCKS) := (COCKS#COCKS#, COCKS COCKS COCKS); << win
mircea_popescu: reminds me of that tarantino monologue
mircea_popescu: where he explains what madona means by "like a virgin"
mod6: dick dick dick dick dick dick
phf: mod6: i've added the feature you requested
mircea_popescu: this is much improved now.
asciilifeform: BALLS COCKS COCKS COCKS .. COCKS(COCKS'BALLS - BALLS) BALLS << ahahahahha
mircea_popescu: finite fucking arithmia.
mod6: phf: lol
asciilifeform: finitely fattening fisarmonica.
mircea_popescu: i have this impression i was doing something but i can't remember what it was now.
mircea_popescu: o right i was reading alf's article.
phf: for future log readers http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_arith.adb?cocks=true (only works in ada though, because)
mircea_popescu: cock amnesia.
asciilifeform: phf: spiffy
mircea_popescu: phf future log readers can just search archive!
shinohai: I feel happy to be a part of such a grand institution that goes out of the way to be so all-inclusive in the logs.
phf: well, it's also only proper for a long running lisp system to have a *cocks-and-balls* global variable somewhere that subtly affects the behavior
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reading this backbreaker of an article i must say i r impresst. exactly what ffa needed, too.
mircea_popescu: phf there is that.
mircea_popescu: "fits in head".
shinohai: head of cock precisely
mircea_popescu: shinohai wanna put his thing in r/code or w/e it is, r/crypto, r/weRgrownupsnao ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think the previous runaround was enough punishment for his sins.
mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913 i mean
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
mod6: ben_vulpes: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system) as it's old. This is the latest: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html
mod6: asciilifeform: you may want to update the link to my V in this blog post (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545) as it's old. This is the latest (from the foundation site): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz (and corresponding sig file): http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20170317.tar.gz.mod6.sig
mod6: If you to gentlemen would rather not update your blogs, please let me know and I'll post a comment at the bottom of each.
mod6: s/to/two
mod6: lol, asciilifeform ignore that. i already put a comment on your blog.
ben_vulpes: go ahead and leave a comment, mod6
mod6: yup, will leave the same comment on yours, Sir. Thanks.
mircea_popescu: you know it's not a great idea to leave live links to dead urls.
mircea_popescu recently went through his comment section, nulled out dead links. (you'd be surprised what survival rate of commenters pages is like)
mircea_popescu: i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745104 << my heathen one also has'em, but by the time i found out, it was too late, there is no built-in have-it-both-ways☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 21:14 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform ! mp-wp has nice names for urls!
mircea_popescu: and in other wowz, alf's 2010 material is pretty fucking epic too! http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 specifically.
asciilifeform: ( and i have hardlinks everywhere, not only in own www, which'd be fixable, but all over heathendom )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mine has it both ways.
asciilifeform: neato, i gotta crib it at some point.
asciilifeform: lotta goodstuff in mp's wp.
mod6: ben_vulpes: is there a comment approval process? I submitted the comment.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745109 << waitasec mod6 where was this☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 21:24 mod6: lol, asciilifeform ignore that. i already put a comment on your blog.
mod6: asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 -- take a look at the last comment at the bottom. apparently on may 10th of this year.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745114 << i deleted a few folx from my links bar earlier this yr, who turned out to have... actually died☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 21:27 mircea_popescu: i looked at thousands of once-there, now deceased sites. pretty depressing as an incidental, facebook made people measurably dumber.
asciilifeform: was also depressing.
asciilifeform: mod6: aa ok
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eg http://trilema.com/?p=76183
asciilifeform: neato. possibly only works if you had it going from the beginning ? ( or not. i'll check it out )
mircea_popescu: nobody ever has anything from the beginning.
mircea_popescu: (and it also very usefully 302s, at that)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : lemme know if obvious typos, gaps, or thing dunbuild, etc.
mircea_popescu: i am reading. so far, this is a major achievement, and quite fundamental at that.
mod6: I read the entire thing so far, and it looks great. I have droped the vpatch and sig into my V and pressed it out, which also worked great.
asciilifeform: i sawed it into almost pathologically small jigsaw pieces. e.g. next episode concerns e.g. shifting.
mircea_popescu: everything about it is good right and proper.
asciilifeform: yay
mircea_popescu: you are aware there exists no usable "learn to compute" item ANYWHERE ?
mod6: I don't have an ada at my disposal atm. So will do an entire test of the thing tonight and post results as I have them (probably on my site).
mircea_popescu: precisely because universities "became open" and "put online" their inept webcasts etc.
asciilifeform: ( this is something like 3-4 yrs of sweat of asciilifeform , depending on from where we count, dates to original ctronic cardanolib )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will conveniently double as many things. i will add it to the topic link later today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite aware. the 1 src that turned out to be reliable reference, was knuth (i.e. a 1960s work)
ben_vulpes: mod6: released
phf: slightly better rendering (will work on padding widths sometime later) http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/ffademo/ffa_io.adb
asciilifeform: oh hey looxgreat on lynx and on guitron
phf: also there's a somewhat useful, though non-standard css property "user-select" that lets you select only the code part of the page
asciilifeform: this is quite spiffy and shithub et al dun have it
mircea_popescu: this apple piece makes for fabulous companion reading.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that "older comments" thing is abominable.
asciilifeform: ohyea ancient lulzpiece , iirc was in the l0gz at some point
mircea_popescu: proper blog can load 1k comments.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever got 1k comments, or near
asciilifeform: but yes
mircea_popescu: so then why "older comments" link bs
asciilifeform: pretty much stock wp, almost exactly as it was in the bush presidency
mircea_popescu: yes well it sucks.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: released << awesome thanks!
mircea_popescu: his pragma list is longer than my penis
asciilifeform: what it does is snippy-snippycut large chunks of the language.
asciilifeform: forbids oop, uniturdism, threads and asynchrony of any form, constructs that require complex runtime support, 'unprincipled exceptions' (chiefly c-style type-casts), pointers (yes), and a few others
asciilifeform: ... the heap. and in fact any form of allocation other than stackframe
asciilifeform: floatingpoint. the 'catching' of exceptions. etc.
asciilifeform: the 2 things i did not forbid (though wanted to) were recursion (can't... karatsuba) and implicit-loops (can't... array assignments)
mircea_popescu: check out teh proof. yes.
trinque: heads up to all, I'll be traveling from about 2.5hrs from now until sunday night.
trinque: pls to send all withdrawal requests in now or wait til sun
asciilifeform: happy travels, trinque
mircea_popescu: enjoy.
trinque: ty
trinque: mega congrats to asciilifeform on his first ffa post, will read soon.
asciilifeform: trinque: it is largely old material, but carefully portioned and commented.
mircea_popescu: perfect airflight fodder heh
asciilifeform fixed a handful of typos
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> dja like ? << very nice post, indeed.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << updated. including delicious V<sup>v</sup> itam.
mircea_popescu: taking comments.\
asciilifeform: ohheyheyheylbj!
mod6: ah cool
mod6 looks
mod6: neato
mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, usg.state's main asset in romania looks well headed to jail. kovesi (special "anti-corruption prosecutor") lied about meeting various politicians (as part of usg embassy-directed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743878 scandal).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 19:30 mircea_popescu: "don't vote for x, he not only would confiscate our constanta base BUT IS VERY CORRUPT" sorta bs.
asciilifeform: betcha he'll turn up in miamistan soon then.
mircea_popescu: she.
mircea_popescu: all the rices are shes.
asciilifeform: interesting; had nfi.
asciilifeform recalls the juice she-prosecutor from old thread...
asciilifeform: *juicy
mircea_popescu: which one was that ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 18:55 asciilifeform: http://p.ocdn.ee/4/i/2015/11/12/tfkyk4ty.t3l.jpg << in other mega-chix
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: yikes
mircea_popescu: congenital retards ftw
asciilifeform: supposedly was from pregnancy or somehow.
asciilifeform: (i.e. temporary)
mircea_popescu: ic
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in heathendom, https://archive.is/Oyq47 >> bitpay 'We are now beginning the work to require Payment Protocol wallet payments for all BitPay invoices.' << i had nfi this mikehearnism still lived on, even in zombieform
mircea_popescu: ahaha
asciilifeform: the one where hearbleed was to be merged in, that one.
asciilifeform: *heart
mircea_popescu: what is it even ?
asciilifeform: prbism where you gotta tcp to somebody's box to pay him, or something of the kind
asciilifeform: 'When a Payment Protocol wallet interacts with a Payment Protocol URL, it creates an SSL-secured connection to the true owner of the receiving bitcoin address (in this case, BitPay).' etc
asciilifeform: sslism.
mircea_popescu: so what, they'll pretend they didn't get paid with tx in the blockchgain ?
asciilifeform: the excuse being 'We can also analyze transactions to make sure an adequate bitcoin miner fee is included. If the fee isn't sufficient to allow the transaction to confirm on the bitcoin network on time, BitPay can return a helpful message back to the wallet to let the user know. Mistaken payments will never reach the Bitcoin network.'
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely, they;'re marginal as it is.
asciilifeform: it's a resurrection of circa-2014 embraceandextendism -- 'let's impose prbtronic sslistic payment-via-tcp, and at the same time spam some moar spamola, make blox less breathable'
asciilifeform: 'If you are using the BitPay, Copay, Mycelium, or Electrum wallets for your bitcoin payments, nothing will change. These true bitcoin wallets all already "speak" Payment Protocol. If you are using a non-Payment Protocol wallet or service to pay BitPay invoices, you will need to move your spending bitcoin to a wallet or service which can support Payment Protocol. We strongly recommend that you use a true bitcoin wallet for spending to
asciilifeform: avoid delayed transactions, but you will be able to use any service compatible with Payment Protocol.'
asciilifeform: i.e. all of the major heathen fronts, nominally on board.
asciilifeform: 'whaddayeamean you don't want ssl in the loop, and put it all through nsa cables, terrorist.'
mircea_popescu: um. so literally, they say pay x to y, you do, they go "lalala" ?
mircea_popescu: this'd be pretty lulzy.
asciilifeform: i suppose it will be propped up with 'hey it was in shitoshi 1.0, so He Meant This To Be' crapolade.
asciilifeform: ( iirc some variant of this idiocy was in fact present in 0.3 )
mircea_popescu: lets get teh popcorns then.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's better to "sacrifice" self on the noble altar of high socialist ideals than to simply admit that can't make money and can't continue supporting losses.
asciilifeform: dunno that bitpay et al ever had the intention of making profit.
asciilifeform: it's a tentacle.
mircea_popescu: started as a for profit, for sure.
asciilifeform: 'we recommend that wallets take an additional step and not broadcast payments rejected via the Bitcoin Payment Protocol' didjaknow
mircea_popescu: hurr ?
mircea_popescu: ah so the idea basically is to tell the inexistent miner cartel not to mine txns they don't want ?
asciilifeform: aaha
mircea_popescu: hey, soft forks upon soft forks, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, new car theft method : drink a bottle of coca-cola, screw the tap back on, stick it in between wheel and chassis on parked car, wait for owner to get in and try to leave. the bottle will sound, the muppet will get out of the car to see, at which point you can just leave with it.
asciilifeform: 'Customers with mistaken payments only receive partial refunds of the BTC they sent because of miner fee costs. One customer of a BitPay merchant recently spent 0.003853 BTC on a payment which was mistakenly underpaid by a small amount. They were only able to receive a refund of 0.002247 BTC. This is not the experience we want bitcoin users to have.' << 'use our gox or Lose It All!111' etc
asciilifeform: lol who gets out and leaves key ?!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( iirc some variant of this idiocy was in fact present in 0.3 ) << The one they use now did not exist till 0.9
asciilifeform: or is idea that you whack'im over the head
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from the perspective of "we're trying to survive mp" it is perfectly understandable. miner fees per tx are rapidly growing to a size comparable to the "walmart one item cost", which is what bitpay & all are willy-nilly married to.
mircea_popescu: they wanted smaller fees for a reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 90% of women and 50% of men.
asciilifeform: wanted small fees -- shouldn't have 'stress tested'
mircea_popescu: toolate.jpg
mircea_popescu: this is how the empire fails, takes local optimums.
asciilifeform: for some reason ( and from both threads, oddly ) asciilifeform recalls the classic monkey trap, with the coconut
TomServo: 3
asciilifeform: ohai TomServo
asciilifeform: 3 of what ?
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing ro lulz, http://sov.ro/2017/11/21/capitolul-59-imi-veti-plati-4-miliarde-de-euro/ ( http://trilema.com/2010/ticalosul-si-libertatea/ rewriting http://trilema.com/2010/in-opera-sa-ne-masuram/ forgetting, of course, the "i'm just re-writing mp poorly years later" coda)
asciilifeform: lol sov.ro
asciilifeform: is it meant to evoke sovroms ?
mircea_popescu: guy was a major... well, like bill gates, or khodorovsky, however you call the faux business men produced by governments. except in ro, so he's talking 1e7 rather than 1e10
diana_coman: "Note that endianness is irrelevant, here and elsewhere in FFA" <- FINALLY! esp given my recent keccak-induced headaches on the topic, I am delighted to read this; will dig deeper into ffa ch1 over the weekend
asciilifeform: 'O țară de talia României nu are cum supraviețui în afara uni bloc economic' << really ?? really?
asciilifeform: and best kr ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform initialism, sorin ovidiu vintu
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the trick to endian-agnostic mechanisms is to never byte-address. at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point though. you need someone as doggedly determined as ceausescu to keep the thing afloat. economic blocs are a reality for what, 50 years now ? euro "common market" was not particularily DESIRED.
mircea_popescu: just unavoidable.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the one place where we give any shit at all re octets, is the printer, and there we simply shift Byteness*2 times.
diana_coman: ofc; but idiotic keccac "reference" implementation goes about reading *bytes* although spec clearly talks of bits and at most of z-dimension long array of bytes and as a consequence madness necessarily ensues
diana_coman: as I said: my recent headaches on the topic made this absolutely pop out to me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fortunately ffa is an arithmetron not an academitard-designed hashtron, and doesn't ever need to care about bytes, worx in units of machineword.
diana_coman: array of bits* there
asciilifeform: i'd sit down and do a proper incarnation of keccak, diana_coman , but i have maybe half a free hand and 40 hands worth of what to do..
asciilifeform: incl. unspeakable saecular horrors
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I sorted out some ada implementation and will post it; atm the struggle is more to figure out the "test vectors" for full sponge because of all this madness
asciilifeform: yea afaik nobody ever made a proper one
TomServo: asciilifeform: 3 of what ? << 3 reasons to not leave myself voiced while I'm clumsily reading scrollback, I suppose.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: TomServo: tried ffa ch1 tutorial yet ?
mircea_popescu: lol this guy
TomServo: I can barely fit a bite in my mouth.
TomServo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726202 << They did actually. 1998 'Gia', with Angelina Jolie, if you count HBO movies.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:12 mircea_popescu: and speaking of aids-en : isn't it a pity nobody's yet made a film out of gia carangi's life ? that chick was ACTUALLY a model, in the most proper of senses.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in asciilifeform's spam collector, ' Start live in Germany in only 15 days. In 2 months you will receive the Residence Permits. '
asciilifeform not previously seen this flavour.
phf: edi weitz nuked all his lisp stuff, with a redirect to shithub. naturally if you want to look for documentation you have to go to ???
asciilifeform: uggh
asciilifeform: when did this happen phf
phf: eg http://weitz.de/drakma/
phf: must've been couple of days
asciilifeform: sad.
ben_vulpes: why would an ancient lisp hacker give two shits re what the kids are doing?
phf: note that the redirect says "~most~ of the common lisp stuff is now on shithub"
phf: because for example his lispworks extension hacks are nowhere but archive.org at this point
asciilifeform: i would have guessed 'starved, lost server' but ~something~ is still hosting that pg
phf: i believe the only correct solution at this point are terabyte backup drives with everything you ever touch, i suppose that's what asciilifeform's been doing for a while now
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: fortunately cheap nao.
phf: time isn't though
asciilifeform: troo
phf: well, scratch that, i'm just ranting. once you have the setup, it's a pretty smooth operation i suppose. i just don't want to bother with the whole backing up the internet thing
phf: but that's in the "i just want to" territory, so tough.
mircea_popescu: TomServo i count that like i count microsoft windows offering. it's the anti-item. gia is all about fucking, not all about being a dork.
asciilifeform: meanwhile the critics speak : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913&cpage=1#comment-18374
TomServo: mircea_popescu: That's about what I figured, but in case you were unaware.
mircea_popescu: i saw it, it offended me.
asciilifeform: phf: it may interest you to know that i dun have any fancy setup, beyond e.g. wget -m -r ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it's because computing class is postodctoral, whereas language class is highschool. so they learn the x:=a a:=b b:=x "trick" way before anyone even explains xor.
asciilifeform: hm where does one learn to program, but not see xor.
asciilifeform: even in american school first we did gate etc.
asciilifeform: ( not speaking of uni, either, but of plain old plebeschool )
mircea_popescu: very much a case of "are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 on the basis of having been a f-4 pilot, or are you trying to learn how to fly the f-14 because you loved f-14 flight sim on crapple as a teen ?"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "numerical methods for mechanical engineers", for one
ben_vulpes: also known as "enough matlab to make completely convincing fabrications"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and f4 man luvved his father's crop duster
asciilifeform: everyone starts somewhere.
mircea_popescu: "double ugly flying anvil"
mircea_popescu: "the triumph of thrust over fluid flow"
asciilifeform softly sings canonical 'Мой Фантом, как пуля быстрый, в небе голубом и чистом, с ревом набирает высоту...'
mircea_popescu: and, importantly, luftverteidingungsdiesel
asciilifeform: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_NOPpfJ0F4 << subj )
phf: asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure i've not even seen xor mentioned at umd. i learned about it first and last at evening math school in moscow
mircea_popescu: "it is better for your jet fighter to resemble a stove than a wafer".
asciilifeform: phf: how didja avoid system architecture ( iirc #311 ) ?
asciilifeform: or 'discretes' ( #250 ) ?
mircea_popescu discovered xor while trying to make z80 gfx as a 7-8-9yo.
phf: well, i was placed straight into 300 levels, but i recall 311 being fast and loose with actual teaching.
mircea_popescu: (thing had programmable characters, you could define your own 8x8 bitfield glyph, anyone recall ?
mircea_popescu: HAD UNICODE SUPPORT! CORRECTLY MADE!
asciilifeform: what chars a particular z80tron had, depended on chipset eh
phf: maybe they taught it, but seeing a boolean map really translate into understanding of how you apply dat shit to bit twiddling etc.
mircea_popescu: also had direct-to-memory (via poke) chartable switching :D
phf: /seeing/does seeing/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most cards on pc from ega up also let define 8x8 char
asciilifeform: sorta how orcs were able to koi8 etc
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: even on c64 ( 1980s micro popular in the west ) it was pretty simple. was my 1st comp in usa, and i wrote a cyrillic thing, but useless ( what to read! )
phf: mircea_popescu: actually that's probably more correct, i have vague memory of doing xor in pascal maybe to do leet vga graphixxx
mircea_popescu: good soviet types in the book he wants to read.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: phf: certainly can't do e.g. spritegraphics without xor.
mircea_popescu: phf pascal was huge letdown for me, either didn't have or i didn't know how to get to the direct memory diddle.
mircea_popescu: borlandc much better.