BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. << Take some pictures and maybe I submit a quote to fix the yard?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia. << Not everybody can be rocketed to the 4th dimension of existence at once
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 phf`: move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also
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a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:08 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made.
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, why am I in CA? Simply have not left yet. And leave to where?
ben_vulpes: you did the chill part too, right? didn't just settle for laundry?
ben_vulpes: well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs
☟︎ ben_vulpes: oh ffs the urban dictionary shortcut isn't even listed on pete's site
ben_vulpes: if you give enough of a shit about bot commands, operate your own bot, give it whatever commands you want it to have
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: a russian-american friend of mine lives in a house with math books everywhere.
gabriel_laddel_p: The kitchen, dining room & some of the bedrooms don't have bookshelves. But aside from that..
ben_vulpes: some day i will reclaim my book-storage-below-one-meter space
jhvh1: shinohai: netflix and chill :: It means that you are going to go over to your partners house and fuck with Netflix in the background. [ex:] "Yeah we just watched Netflix and chilled.""Damn nigga how deep?""Four knuckles deep" [/ex] | code for two people going to each others houses and [fucking] or doing other [sexual] related acts [ex:] Brad: "Hey Julia wanna come over and watch [Netflix] and chill"Julia: (6 more messages)
ben_vulpes: this would be one of these "easter eggs"
BingoBoingo: Eh, that's sorta average. I can't see Portland being any better.
ben_vulpes: it's depressing in its own ways, i'll grant that
ben_vulpes: some over-degreed tenderqueer barista insisted on addressing the child with gender-neutral pronouns
ben_vulpes: sadly, as i was not present, i only got to deliver the tongue-lashings for not delivering tongue-lashings.
BingoBoingo: I thought like portland was all heroin and trans-queer-furries
ben_vulpes: while very visible, those folks are a vanishingly small fraction of the population
ben_vulpes: probably same pharma abuse rates as anywhere else
BingoBoingo: You forget that at any given time the bulk of them are zonked out out of sight
ben_vulpes: i don't get lafond's fixation on failure to do anything about people shooting up in plain sight
BingoBoingo: It's the same as alf's squirrel fixation. The junkie in the throes of addiction is a pest control problem.
ben_vulpes: well sure if they were exterminable that's one thing, but lock 'em up? at whatever cost per night?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: portland is trialing just this!
ben_vulpes: selecting, obviously, against heroin users however.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the most reliable treatment for addiction is conversion therapy (i.e. removing the obsession through a spiritual experience), this requires as a prerequisite a "rock bottom" experience. Adversity is the kindest thing you can offer.
ben_vulpes: way the heck upstack; BingoBoingo i have determined that "crack-o-my-ass" county late summer county fair has a talent competition, gospel competition, but as far as i've bothered to look so far, no amateur ag competition
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a 'city' in america doesn't 'win'. it 'brings more voices to the table'.
ben_vulpes: junkies, minorities groups imported as refugees within the last decade, whatever.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the long term recovered addict tends to usually be higher than average quality homo sapien, but.. that recovery rate suffers from too many social services preventing abject rock bottom
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:23 asciilifeform: aha, i've been to professors' houses, typically very spartan, 1 b00k case at most.
ben_vulpes: is it just me or are the c99 array mutation semantics just woefully lacking
ben_vulpes: remove_copy_if takes a unary predicate
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 asciilifeform always wanted to do this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not required to actually work to be THE IDEA, is it now!
ben_vulpes: this was two lines of code with a lambda
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:41 phf`: give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
ben_vulpes: now i have to make a pair or a struct or something and then another function that eats that and returns a bool
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652728 << yup. because violence works. if you notice a coupla pretty chicks in a group of libertards, you go break the nose of a coupla dudes "for no reason" / "that was totally uncalled for and not necessary!!!1" and they'll all beeline to suck your cock : the chicks, and the dudes.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 23:25 phf`: from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 03:25 ben_vulpes: well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs
ben_vulpes: well there's the washer, and the dryer, and the latter's probably a 'high efficiency' model that doesn't actually get anything dry on the first run
mircea_popescu: speaking of, i'm a huge fan of the tower arrangements.
ben_vulpes: oh gross do you like front-loaders as well?
mircea_popescu: no, no. the washer, it doesn't have that stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal.
mircea_popescu: basically it convects your textiles through the water/air border, repeatedly.
ben_vulpes: does your drum still spin to do a pre-dry extraction?
mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: i do not think i have ever seen this wonder
ben_vulpes: you say "stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal", as in a front-loading washer?
ben_vulpes: threw me, this is a novel invention in the states to speed up parts wear and mildew growth
mircea_popescu: nah, it's what the ro washing machines all were cca 1985
ben_vulpes: why would you put a door seal in place when you could simply seal the agitator axle
ben_vulpes: plus asymmetric load due to gravity during centrifuge cycle
ben_vulpes: i have only ever bought old, used washers and dryers
ben_vulpes: no idea why anyone would buy this sort of thing with the new tax in place
ben_vulpes: also i suspect the energy efficiency numbers are twisted by shrinking load size which is total bullshit
BingoBoingo: In other news: US "Occupational Safety" politruks are about to approve IMPACT RATED CONTACT LENSES!!!
ben_vulpes: "new tax" as in tax for buying goods new
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury.
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mircea_popescu: well i guess that shows how much i know about washers ;/
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess this gets classified as /mp finally figures out what top loading washer is, likes it.
ben_vulpes: mp looks at std issue consumer item for first time since leaving .ro more like it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You also have to consider the marketing rape of "impact resistant" from "doesn't break" to implications of "shock resistant"
ben_vulpes: soft lenses are a thing, i've been using them since they came out with astigmatism weights.
trinque: man I just figure that pair of blurs in front of me on teh highway is something I don't want to drive into
ben_vulpes: what, praytell, is so manly about the rigid lenses
trinque probably needs to go get eyeball compensators soon, getting old
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh, i just happen to not need any. those girls who need eye correction, get same thing you're discussing, a-weighted soft contacts/
ben_vulpes: trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point
☟︎ mircea_popescu: wasn't implying any gender discrimination or inferiority or racism or anything of the kind!
ben_vulpes: can't have anyone dancing to well, now
mircea_popescu gets 16 inch solid iridium spiked penis cage with a little handcrafted machine gun on top.
trinque drove a nissan cock cage for 3hrs today, worst car on earth
trinque: arm wrests two different heights
ben_vulpes: you can buy the frame but they still own the engine
trinque: want to go ~100mph you'd better find a downhill or two
trinque: and make noises like you're out of weed whacker string
ben_vulpes: i figured those shits called alexa all polite like to find out what the speed limit was
trinque: no no this was the bottom tier shit nissan; I'm cheap as fuck
trinque: what's the one where you push it with feet out bottom
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 04:42 asciilifeform: irrigate desert in arizona.
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: if i knew how many there were i'd probably also know which they were
ben_vulpes: > returns an iterator the the end of the copied range
ben_vulpes: so what, truncate the array, however the fuck that works in this baroque hellscape?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes see, the problem is they have no sense of humor. why the fuck make JUST "remove_copy_if" when you could have had a whole suite. "if_copy_remove" "remove_if_copy" AND "copy_if_remove" plus removeif_copy and __remove_ifcopy for good seizure.
trinque: ben_vulpes: clearly you pick a length which will be enough for anybody.
ben_vulpes: trinque: I DON'T WANT THE MOTHERFUCKING ZEROS
ben_vulpes: or a fucking if statement downstream that doesn't serialize a magic number
ben_vulpes: yeah okay i'm going to go find satoshi and kill him myself
mircea_popescu: you ever been at those gangster weddings in the 70s where they piled up antoinette's tit champagne glasses and then filled them from the top ?
ben_vulpes: nobody i know is so tasteless as to waste good wine like that.
mircea_popescu: how you ended up programming is a mystery in this context.
ben_vulpes: i actually had to castigate someone at this otherwise nice joint, "picnic house" for serving me bubbles in a coup recently.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: story is boring: i was doing r/d for teeny tiny chip testing companies in the "silicon forest", hated commuting to the burbs and not having a keg in the office, and got hoovered up by the great webdev pressure gradient.
ben_vulpes: fucking terrible, offgass an entire glass in 2 minutes
ben_vulpes: i will drink it at whatever speed i choose
ben_vulpes: subject to conduction from the outside
ben_vulpes: i don't need a new motherfucking surface area problem on top of my drinking problem
ben_vulpes: "they will drink it at whatever speed i choose as well" my popesculator says
trinque: > not having a keg in the office
trinque: not a problem at my last pdx gig!
trinque: but y'know, straight to the hard liquor
ben_vulpes: well this was in the burbs, at a fab facility
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway. add a thin layer of oil, venting problems solved.
ben_vulpes: keeping booze on the premises amplifies the extant tension between production and engineering
ben_vulpes: i think i'll stick to the correct glassware.
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ben_vulpes: anyways, i understand the 2010-2013 "bitcoin developer" demo better now
ben_vulpes: they...don't see anything wrong with this fundament.
mircea_popescu: dude, what understand. they're drones, beta males looking to get into some kind of party, any kind of party. they've made a pact and shit.
ben_vulpes: i have derived a tiny bit of insight about a huge swath of the population, then.
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone remember any specifics re that studio fire last year ?
ben_vulpes: oakland, operators got out with their kids (mournfully), buncha other folks crisped
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gizmolearner: Probe is working great. BTW it's a purchase last week, so they still sell the kits with probes.
gizmolearner: I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
phf`: mine is a vertical spinner, but it also has a horizontal drier in the same tower. i'd say apartments i've seen it's 50/50 between vertical and horizontal washers
phf`:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
☝︎☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:14 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652709 << i grew up literally in the library of my parents' house, they put my bed there when i was 12 or something. 5-6k tomes or thereabouts. i've not kept a house with books the past decade nevertheless, nor do i intend to.
phf`: Framedragger: that's colloquial use of "anarchist" by the way, i.e. when i was growing up that was post-punk, post-left (in a marxist leninist sense) people. think bob black, rather than murray bookchin
phf`: they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art"
☟︎ Framedragger: phf`: ah ok that makes sense. i checked bob black (lols), yeah gotcha. lulzy re "art"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:50 ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 07:00 gizmolearner: I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
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gizmolearner: I was just looking for something relatively painless. Anything plug n play better than the APU1's with 4GB?
gizmolearner: The Gizmo Explorer only has 1GB. Ideally I would like something with ~8-16GB (or DIMM slots)
gizmolearner: Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury.
Framedragger: and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:40 ben_vulpes: trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point
Framedragger: gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it?
☟︎ Framedragger: (one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses))
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Framedragger: !!rate gizmolearner 1 apu etc. tinkerer / new blood
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Framedragger: gizmolearner: now you can `/msg deedbot !!up gizmolearner`
Framedragger: asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something?
☟︎ gizmolearner: In random news... the first Intel NUC I order from Amazon.com (not 3rd party seller), was just a box bag of gravel inside. Customer support sent a real one. I'm guessing a reshrink wrapped return that got send out again.
Framedragger: and in scanning news, launched ipv4 rescan. (1st phase, which is easier than 2nd phase (key extraction), but will give us some interesting data nonetheless.)
gizmolearner: I wonder how many Intel boxs with vulnerable AMT are on the web...
Framedragger: omg it seems that it is, wrong value passed to strncmp ahahaha
gizmolearner: Yeah would have been really quickly if it wasn't buried in compressed code. Instead it's in years of BIOS's and basically gives remote as if local root access.
gizmolearner: I don't even know how they reversed the huffman coding in the first place since the table is buried in PCH ROM.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652986 << used to, until this year. i like the fresh air scent of clothes / can't stand detergent perfume bs. unexaminedly i didn't even consider non-open air drying of clothes to be acceptably hygienic in the first place, as per ro traditionz.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: but reviewed the matter last month, dun actually have objection to correctly used dryer.
gizmolearner: ƒAny idea why reset on Gizmo explorer doesn't starts at EIP=0xfffffc10 instead of 0xfffffff0?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652989 << no, i have no objection to it being incomprehensible, it strikes me as nutty also. perhaps a major part of the explanation is that whenever i don't remember something i just pick a girl who likely doesn't know it, ask her about it, and when she doesn't know it she gets ordered to research it. another part of it, maybe even larger, is that the stuff that actually interests me isn't
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
mircea_popescu: being born to a stupid mother and inheriting her stupid tongue is a heavy burden indeed, as it turns out.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner it starts at whatever you have in that register neh ?
mircea_popescu: can't say without the docs for your specific item, but i guess it doesn't ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:52 phf`: they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art"
gizmolearner: I wonder if the probe takes a few instructions before it stops
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:04 asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:12 gizmolearner: Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me
mircea_popescu: what 4 gb, let it have sixteen banks for all anyone cares, put 2 tb in there. and let it not be "industry friendly" either.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
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gizmolearner: I figured it out. Instruction at 0xfffffff0 is a jump. The probe doesn't refresh the registers until after you execute an instruction. So after reset the registers are stale.
mircea_popescu: this isn't by any chance the first time you got a probe going ?
gizmolearner: yes and no. first time with this probe. also played with OpenOCD on the Quark
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:36 Framedragger: gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: multiple operations? i haven't even considered that. hmm, thanks for the pointer
gizmolearner: Yeah, aside from not being able to get the Intel side of things going yet.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653027 << but no, not really. you don't wear them continuously, and the lacrimal soup isn't very conducive in the first place. it's true plastic is great bacterial substrate, but really material science has come a long way, this is not much of a concern.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:23 Framedragger: and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well, doctor knows so you don't have to :)
Framedragger: re. soup, i dunno stats / anecdotal cases, but there have been instances of otherwise-high-hygiene folks getting nasty bacteria by forgetting not to use tap water, once (source is unreliable bbc article so yeah, meh); etc.
mircea_popescu: also, this was a field where waiting for computing paid off, past 2 decades. but i'd be gut-guessing it's just about mature by now.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sounds more like the whole "tap water is bad mmkay" pieces the bottled water folks keep regularly seeding.
gizmolearner: On the quark it actually does slide a few insructions on reset because they didn't bother to wire TRST, so they are reseting in stopping in some hacky way.
mircea_popescu: it's mind boggling that in a world arot with socialists, the one place where communal solutions fucking make sense finds itself cornered, and about to lose a head.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653033 << this is a terrifyingly stupid idea. gf knocks your glasses off next you drive into me then ima have to get out, beat you into a pulp and set the rest of the eu on fire because htye'll be all "hey, why you beat guy into pulp, that's against eu regulations" and i'll be all "fuck you and your stupid mothers"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:37 Framedragger: (one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses))
Framedragger: there is that. i don't do lots of driving at all, and plan to avoid driving at night, ever. but, yeah, point taken.
mircea_popescu: not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit.
☟︎ gizmolearner: The Sage EDK had the ability to write the flash. Any ideas on how to do that without it?
mircea_popescu: and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:06 gizmolearner: x86 should reset to 0xfffffff0
mircea_popescu: !!rate gizmolearner 1 start-up something something, dunno.
gizmolearner: It's stopping correctly, it's just not refreshing the registers
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gizmolearner: asciilifeform: any ideas on how to write the flash through the probe?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow rly ? that's ~all they did, bpg lifters, interposers and i guess some cable shits
mircea_popescu: you don't want to hook up one of these to a board, and use it to probe chip ?
mircea_popescu: and since gotta be impedance matched you'd expect they'd advertise it if they actually had it ?
mircea_popescu: i guess with the new leadless bs you'll ruin the board before you get the socket off anyway
mircea_popescu: brings the question wtf golden specked teflon they even make the interposers out of
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner did you ever say what you did for a living or anything ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit.
mircea_popescu: yes but we were talking of actual people, not like americans.
mircea_popescu: "the password should be just as long as the password presented was, wut, problem???".
mircea_popescu: what did it do, looks for signed crapload or what was it ?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that rather make that, best make new comp. trb-i all over again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for my curiosity, does imperial drm tech look for a 2048 rsa or ec sig ?
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. but why, it's so insecure and ec is so much better and there's even this stuff on mediumgithub ?
mircea_popescu: lol if that pops, the unhappening should be lulzy to watch. from space preferably.
gizmolearner: ƒasciilifeform: pseudo code but LPC ISA (Bus 0,Device 20, Function 3).Spi_Base(90h).SPI_OpCode=ERASE look like a step in the right direction?
gizmolearner: mircea_popescu: used to do security software, goofed off for a few years, running out of savings so I need to either make something or get a job again
mircea_popescu: seems rather like the whole nic-dma combo is being fortified as a wolf's last stand. i guess they expect ot lose cpus (to the chinese).
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner "used to do security software" as in, anonymously ?
gizmolearner: I was software architect for the av group for a while, got their enterprise product started, got like 20 patents, decided I hated patents and was just working against my future self, left, couple startups that failed, nothing really too noteworthy
gizmolearner: Saying would identify me, and I prefer to be somewhat anonymous for now.
gizmolearner: I'll say this about back then though, it was nice to have a company to buy thinigs like SoftIce and IDA.
mircea_popescu: oh, for my own curiosity, as an anon data point : would you say spending a few years mid career working for failed start-ups makes one more money than working for corp ? less ? ~same ?
gizmolearner: McAfee was sort of mid startup when I joined, so 90% of my money was from them becaause the stock was actually worth somthing. By startups I had higher salary, but it wasn't on a level to complete with the stock.
gizmolearner: Work at Google or Facebook if you want money. If you are into something like deep learning you can earn probably in the mid six figures.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm worth like a billion give or take a few start-ups.
gizmolearner: Even starting engineers make more than I did as a CTO for startups 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "you will always make more money tomorrow than yesterday, no matter what you do". sounds like a dream until you find out how the ustards implemented it in practice.
mircea_popescu: but you can make some great vhs tapes on this flimsy premise. who'll ever know.
gizmolearner: mircea_popescu you might make more money in terms of amount, but not nescessarily in actual value. Might be true if you have enough money that your money makes money.
mircea_popescu: no, that's what i meant, more nominally, worth ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: the soviet hotties who willingly traded their charms for a cake of soap and two rolls of proper toilet paper whenever they could get the attentions of a not-born-among-retards visitor for long enough were nominally employed, in a nominally functioning empire, nominally making a great salary.
gizmolearner: The Gulag Archipelago makes me want to retire from the human race. Capitalism is pretty broken, but I prefer it to what people in the USSR had to go through.
gizmolearner: I think in the not so far future most poeple will be obsolete, so capatlisim is out. If machines can outthink and outwork the average person that is a lot of redundant people. On the plus side, the world would still be producing as much as ever. So what do we do ? Try socialsim again?
mircea_popescu: how is capitalism out just because most people are obsolete ? capitalism is here to stay, not people, and ESPECIALLY not the obsolete ones.
mircea_popescu: they'll just get cooked as per swift's cookbook and that's the last anyone'll ever hear of them.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- socialism is always "tried" when the curve of worker consumption exceeds the industrial output, ie when there's a lot of idle, unmonetizable pretense going around. in other words, socialism is the scar tissue, papering over absent production, not ever the result of abundance.
gizmolearner: After many years of slow growth, AI is currently looking to be on an unstoppable path. If a machine that costs $.25 an hour to run can out think a person who costs $50 an hour. What should the people do? Capatilism says the machines should win the jobs. So no you have factories and things that require almost no people, but still produce as much as ever. And a lot of unemployable people.
mircea_popescu: the us is turning socialist because average us produced cuntlet can't bridge the gap between what she thinks her priceless snowflake of a snatch is worth and what i might consider paying.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner you need to be thinking on a machine costing a quarter an hour to arrive at the conclusion a machine could outthink some guy making money.
mircea_popescu: mind that people making 50 an hour "to think" are simply enjoying the upper tier of welfare. just like the idiot blue collar is paid 12 an hour to get out of the way, so is the idiot white collar paid 50 an hour.
mircea_popescu: neither is producing any value, the whole thing is "this is cheaper than shooting you, so far."
gizmolearner: At some point the people revolt, and they also have guns.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: even if you had a large supply of quarters for this new laundromat.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
mircea_popescu: people do not revolt. "people", like submissive wives, will only move out when they identify some other thing to move into.
mircea_popescu: until then, will happily boil like frogs, these "people".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes or rather, wear the plastic thing over them, like everyone in machine shop does anyway.
gizmolearner: Do you agree with the premise that at some point most (if not all) of the population will be obsolete?
mircea_popescu: same in chem lab. you are of course wearing airtight goggles, yes ? then ?
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner i actually believe that point was cca 2005.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get good ones. but anyway, i do, in the grand total i dunno, 100 hours i spent in a chem lab over three decades.
gizmolearner: So if we go further and say at some point everyone is obsolete, then you are left with a power struggle between those who happened to be in a place of power and those who aren't so fortunate. All are potentially obsolete.
mircea_popescu: hard to draw this "ouitside of uni" line, but first approx.
ben_vulpes: also proper impact resistant glasses when i had to sojurn across the fab floor when i did that.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner no. just because most women are unfuckable doesn't mean all are. or ever will be.
mircea_popescu: planet is about 99% pork bellies belabouring under the delusion of humanity. this fat will be trimmed, but the process or the delusion speak not to actual people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, yeah, popular with welders, that thing, and cnc mill people.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, imagine my relief upgrading to the self-darkening welding mask
ben_vulpes: imagine learning to strike an arc without one!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i wasn't even going to go into how i spot a lot more tiny geckos, lost earrings, etc than my glass-blessed friends.
gizmolearner: Yeah, but who will be left over? If people are actually obsolete, it's just a popularity contest in then end.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: true :( (painfully aware of it)...
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner well, that's what the republic is for. literally, tmsr = the republic of the leftover.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to make it a wot contest rather than a popularity contest, ie, to remove the franchise from the britney spears demo.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i long ago came to terms with my poor acuity.
ben_vulpes: gizmolearner: "the most serene republic (of bitcoin)"
gizmolearner: Sorry, came in via loper-os. Wasn't really here for politics.
ben_vulpes: "it's there, i guess we gotta put something in it"
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner honestly i don't think anyone is. politics is like cleanning, nobody builds himself a lab for the joy of having to clean it up periodically.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, a lab that nobody spends time cleaning shows it.
mircea_popescu: well, then again alf might be the exception. hey, do you enjoy cleaning the lab ?
mircea_popescu: srsly, this is also how silkworms clean up their lab. better make sure you got a new layer of mulberry leaves atop for them to move to OR ELSE THEY DIE!!
mircea_popescu: well... maybe the tremendously ever-improving ai opens up a whole bunch of galaxies' worth of new leaves, like sf promised.
mircea_popescu: god knows they were right about the flying cars / submerged cities, so why not this also.
mircea_popescu: not like we can do math or know enough physics to know what to do math upon or anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : i was walking with a girl, she groks maths and things, we were lulzing at the socioeconomic/politicoscamful aspect of qc. ended up discussing its future, i said it's on the outs, no gimmick long outlives its failure to produce anything, and the qc has been promising stuff for long enough now. i said, "i just dunno what they're moving to next, but they'll move".
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:11 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast
ben_vulpes: "one season following another/laden with happiness and tears"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: just because you don't have open highways doesn't mean they don't exist, aren't used
ben_vulpes: also cameras only deployed in cities out here.
ben_vulpes: but they only park the vans in certain places, have to put up signs some quarter mile before
ben_vulpes: programmatic speed limit enforcement is politically fraught out here.
ben_vulpes: cops need the freedom to go after the maseratis alone.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we are not talking of "having" to drive
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta love the folx who buy 12-cyl mazeratis to go REALLYREALLYFAST!!! between same red lights as the toyota goes << oh i had the lulz of all time with this yest. so we were coming back, in cab. on other side, porsche SUV! black! dude just peels off like crazy, in the middle of the night. i go "hey, i think he won" and dun think more of it. till... guess who's lined up at next stop ? oh, us and them. so i turn a
mircea_popescu: round and turkey the driver. total idiot look, you know the "drab tshirt, close shaved for beard and hair, stupid glasses" i-m-a-java-engineer look ?
mircea_popescu: both dude and his girl pretend to not notice. they peel off again
mircea_popescu: next stop, girl mooses him. but like, in all seriousness, turns around, does it. she's in a cocktail dress, i'm in a suit, they're NOT LOOKING
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you radically overestimate civilization density out west.
ben_vulpes: everyone lives in cities. cities are very small.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner yes. you can maintain coversation continuity even if your connection fails. so no need to apologize.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thumbs connected to tempe on either side, rest of fingers apart moving
mircea_popescu: as opposed to turkey, then pinky and thumb touch, other thumb touches nose.
mircea_popescu: (for some reason this bothers birds. turkeys are very reactive. then again all sorts of things bother birds -- when we checked out the parrots had to have girls take hats off. bothers them sometrhing fierce.)
mircea_popescu: yeah. i think birds deeply care about your head plumage, which you might not even known you had.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform talk to mthreat, he did the "driving for fun" thjing for a while. eventually moved on to buying jets and shit. addictions are addcitive!!!
mircea_popescu: most people who eat well ate shit growing up, also. what can you do. mobile world.
mircea_popescu: 500 hp prima facie sounds like it could in principle give you a 4-5.
mircea_popescu: but it's good g's. they're bad when rotating occipitally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform presuming for unknown reasons acceleration constant, there's a strict relation between it and 0-60 timings.
ben_vulpes: lateral g's are an interesting thing to keep an eye on
mircea_popescu: ie, given 0-60 in 1 second, that would be about 2.77 g
ben_vulpes: but also if you're the sort of person who side-loads yr tyres a) you undestand that stick is not purely a function of lateral g's b) you deliberately break traction when you want to anyways
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 60 * 1.6 / 3.6 / 10 = 2.666666666666667
mircea_popescu: speakingf of which, upper crust costarica folk are really fond of silver plate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the coins are totally like dubloons, too.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 14:14 Framedragger: asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not simply repurpose array of old soapdish camera ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think there exists more accessible sensitive photodiode.
mircea_popescu: wedding ring consisting of half carat pin diode should be interesting idea anyway.
mircea_popescu: it also has the major drawback that it's soaking up time and where's the rsa thing.
phf`:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653398 << best driver i knew was chinese, drove a beat up honda (mazda? acura?) that would cut off the engine at 120 mph, so he would drive it on 119. he'd get into racing fancy cars, and of course they can dust him on acceleration, etc. but he'll always overcome them by being a) habitually good b) calculatedly reckless
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:33 asciilifeform: what g can you pull in wheelbarrow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, only true manly race is the item depicted in, iirc, rebel without a cause. a) steal car ; b) meet at precipice ; c) last man to stand on two feet wins.
mircea_popescu: it's for suburban kids. stealing mom's sedan dun fucking count.
mircea_popescu: as per that resounding "n-am vazut niciodata hot mai prost decit prostu' care se vrea hot"
mircea_popescu: modern cars implemented the equivalent of "wtf is the point of locking door" from back in the day of hillside communities.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no because the culling of the herd must be "popularity contest" less the thinking monekys desert the empire.
mircea_popescu: i wish atms pilloried obnoxious sheilas typing in wrong pins n times.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get stuck in traffic
ben_vulpes: how does this work when i send my brother out in my car to do something?
ben_vulpes: well there's the piece of paper or db record
mircea_popescu: this reduces to "a complicated gui built atop the basic idea of "just hang the poor" except with various fashionable colorings thrown in for marketing".
mircea_popescu: seems a shoddy way to design. you want to hang the poor, hang the poor.
mircea_popescu: ie active poor, ie aspirational class, ie 100% of usg by mass.
phf`: hanging uppity poor by will of lord seems a lot more romantic than same by process of pervasive surveillance bureaucracy
phf`: will of lord as in "don't go hunting in my forest"
mircea_popescu: ah, no, if unknown then valid subject to target practice.
phf`: re i've had this visceral moment of "cheaper also" when i was standing in the part of topkapi palace where sultan was making decisions, and the guided slowly and patiently explained "no, this is all of the government. sultan here says what needs to be done to this other guy there, and that's that".
mircea_popescu: fuhrerprinzip is a lot more in the vein of usian miracle diets.
mircea_popescu: as you use it, i gather. as the historical element, not so much.
phf`: asciilifeform: as opposed to wat, make sure to consult condoleezza and her 5000 sister spawn?
mircea_popescu: teach the uppity poor to read and write as an escape from the hanging, they'll be penning subversive treatises about asking condolezza and her 5000 sister conclave.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the black genocide ongoing in the us is so lulzy. here are some ~africans, dedicated fundamentally an' by nature to being lazy, confronted with either become wasps, "tryinna make it in this game" or else indians, part of the bureaucracy. possibly the two LEAST adequate passtimes for black man, ghetto gangsta or university professors, are what they must do!!!
mircea_popescu: really, black dude's gonna be the carefee highway robber of 2020 ? what next, samoan ballerinas, gypsy wrestlers, what.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re: black genocide, Soldiers of Aztlan have captured *COMPTON*, KKKalifornia from the blacks. The same Compton of "Straight out of Compton" fame.
phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
phf`: i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer
☟︎ phf`: i dunno, i'm not convinced of that. orlol's target audience are cultural honkies, people who otherwise would be wiggers or otaku or "i'm irish, 5 generations ago". yes, those people don't have any culture, but it's chiefly american problem. i'm not convinced it extends to the rest of the world that well
phf`: when i was growing up, mcdonalds was a place where you go to get a milkshake before going out. nobody ever thought about it as food, because people cooked at home and still do. i noticed this in paris this time, how similar mcdonalds is, that it's not food and not treated as such. it's a place where you go to experience american. if there was going to be qualitative jump where bulk of population considers mcdonalds primary source of nutrients, i suspe
phf`: ct it would've happened already
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is Working White America likes the idea of wall, Black America NEEDS wall
diana_coman: asciilifeform, some people are barely catching up with x years ago for any value of x really; some go to 'experience Inca' or whatever
phf`: asciilifeform: some people are so far removed from american experience, they will order coca cola with their croissant and feel international for speaking english with you
ben_vulpes: lol, instructive to urbit's aspirations indeed
ben_vulpes: what are those again? being the wholly-owned sillycon valley bitcoin/namespace table?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: fuckin hilarious, "urbit's aspirations", surely you mean yarvin et al's aspirations
ben_vulpes: cute attempt to assign agency to a collective though
ben_vulpes: schmaltzman can't even get the name right
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653582 "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group : causing serious mental harm to members ; deliberately influencing the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction ; forcibly transferring children from the group to another group". standard un definition. entirely fits.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
mircea_popescu: it is literal genocide, however that may fit or not fit unexamined notions of mass slaughter = genocide. the fact that "african americans" are a sad desert where ella and louis used to walk is good enough.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, physical extermination is rather likely on the way also, anyway.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:09 phf`: i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653594 << the problem with this theory is that culture is reposited in the elite in all cases. the arab world at the time it was saving the classics from the idiot hordes of europchristians ALSO mostly made of arablite by mass. if i pile up a bunch of coal over your heirloom diamonds can i thereby convince you to throw out "all this pointless carbon" ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:10 asciilifeform: in orlol's words, 'human-lite'
mircea_popescu: there's this automatic "judge human mass by the mass" mental process, visible here, visible when new guy was going "oh, capitalism will end because most people are spurious", as fucking if.