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BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. << Take some pictures and maybe I submit a quote to fix the yard?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia. << Not everybody can be rocketed to the 4th dimension of existence at once
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/pantsuit-macaroon-takes-french-presidency-amid-widespread-ballot-destruction-allegations/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Macaroon Takes French Presidency Amid Widespread Ballot Destruction Allegations
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652704 << bouncing up and down: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/peIQQ/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652717 << lol remember when xeni jardin was cool, and people thought cory doctorow wrote cutting edge scifi? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 phf`: move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also
ben_vulpes: !up gabriel_laddel_p
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652699 < Had to do laundry. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made.
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, why am I in CA? Simply have not left yet. And leave to where?
ben_vulpes: "laundry and chill"
gabriel_laddel_p: Not after seeing those living conditions..
ben_vulpes: you did the chill part too, right? didn't just settle for laundry?
gabriel_laddel_p: Settle?!
gabriel_laddel_p: wtf I left asap
ben_vulpes: well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs ☟︎
ben_vulpes: oh ffs the urban dictionary shortcut isn't even listed on pete's site
gabriel_laddel_p: Took a shower & nap.
ben_vulpes: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=netflix+and+chill
ben_vulpes: lol actually this is probably perfect
ben_vulpes: if you give enough of a shit about bot commands, operate your own bot, give it whatever commands you want it to have
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: a russian-american friend of mine lives in a house with math books everywhere.
gabriel_laddel_p: The kitchen, dining room & some of the bedrooms don't have bookshelves. But aside from that..
ben_vulpes: some day i will reclaim my book-storage-below-one-meter space
shinohai: !~ud netflix and chill
jhvh1: shinohai: netflix and chill :: It means that you are going to go over to your partners house and fuck with Netflix in the background. [ex:] "Yeah we just watched Netflix and chilled.""Damn nigga how deep?""Four knuckles deep" [/ex] | code for two people going to each others houses and [fucking] or doing other [sexual] related acts [ex:] Brad: "Hey Julia wanna come over and watch [Netflix] and chill"Julia: (6 more messages)
ben_vulpes: this would be one of these "easter eggs"
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7631&pr=1
ben_vulpes: christ bb
ben_vulpes: that's a real wrist-slitter
BingoBoingo: Eh, that's sorta average. I can't see Portland being any better.
ben_vulpes: it's depressing in its own ways, i'll grant that
ben_vulpes: some over-degreed tenderqueer barista insisted on addressing the child with gender-neutral pronouns
ben_vulpes: sadly, as i was not present, i only got to deliver the tongue-lashings for not delivering tongue-lashings.
BingoBoingo: I thought like portland was all heroin and trans-queer-furries
ben_vulpes: while very visible, those folks are a vanishingly small fraction of the population
ben_vulpes: probably same pharma abuse rates as anywhere else
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7629
BingoBoingo: You forget that at any given time the bulk of them are zonked out out of sight
ben_vulpes: there is that
ben_vulpes: i don't get lafond's fixation on failure to do anything about people shooting up in plain sight
ben_vulpes: cops'
BingoBoingo: It's the same as alf's squirrel fixation. The junkie in the throes of addiction is a pest control problem.
ben_vulpes: well sure if they were exterminable that's one thing, but lock 'em up? at whatever cost per night?
asciilifeform: what cost, lol, let'em mine uranium until die.
asciilifeform: cut wood, in alaska.
asciilifeform: irrigate desert in arizona. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: portland is trialing just this!
asciilifeform: feed crocodiles in florida.
ben_vulpes: selecting, obviously, against heroin users however.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the most reliable treatment for addiction is conversion therapy (i.e. removing the obsession through a spiritual experience), this requires as a prerequisite a "rock bottom" experience. Adversity is the kindest thing you can offer.
asciilifeform: a city doesn't win from bipedal turds walking loose, any more than it wins from ordinary turds on sidewalk.
ben_vulpes: way the heck upstack; BingoBoingo i have determined that "crack-o-my-ass" county late summer county fair has a talent competition, gospel competition, but as far as i've bothered to look so far, no amateur ag competition
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a 'city' in america doesn't 'win'. it 'brings more voices to the table'.
ben_vulpes: junkies, minorities groups imported as refugees within the last decade, whatever.
asciilifeform: i.e. begs, begs for neutron bomb
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with malathion?
asciilifeform: y'mean vx ?
asciilifeform: nuffin wrong, worx great
asciilifeform: at one point su even had a custom sprayer warhead, even
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, these were all scrapped ? or a few remain.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the long term recovered addict tends to usually be higher than average quality homo sapien, but.. that recovery rate suffers from too many social services preventing abject rock bottom
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652709 << i grew up literally in the library of my parents' house, they put my bed there when i was 12 or something. 5-6k tomes or thereabouts. i've not kept a house with books the past decade nevertheless, nor do i intend to. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:23 asciilifeform: aha, i've been to professors' houses, typically very spartan, 1 b00k case at most.
ben_vulpes: is it just me or are the c99 array mutation semantics just woefully lacking
mircea_popescu: isn't the idea "don't mutate just copy" ?
ben_vulpes: also the copying semantics!
ben_vulpes: remove_copy_if takes a unary predicate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652716 << wtf. how do you do it ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 asciilifeform always wanted to do this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not required to actually work to be THE IDEA, is it now!
ben_vulpes: this was two lines of code with a lambda
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652720 << costa ricans, hater. and i liek ticos just fine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 22:41 phf`: give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
ben_vulpes: now i have to make a pair or a struct or something and then another function that eats that and returns a bool
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652728 << yup. because violence works. if you notice a coupla pretty chicks in a group of libertards, you go break the nose of a coupla dudes "for no reason" / "that was totally uncalled for and not necessary!!!1" and they'll all beeline to suck your cock : the chicks, and the dudes. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 23:25 phf`: from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652750 << dude wtf, i've not seen a machine that takes AN HOUR since the 90s. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 03:25 ben_vulpes: well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs
ben_vulpes: well there's the washer, and the dryer, and the latter's probably a 'high efficiency' model that doesn't actually get anything dry on the first run
ben_vulpes: given that he's in california
mircea_popescu: speaking of, i'm a huge fan of the tower arrangements.
mircea_popescu: you seen those ?
ben_vulpes: oh gross do you like front-loaders as well?
mircea_popescu: basically vertical archimede screw.
mircea_popescu: well no, it loads from top.
ben_vulpes: ah, washer below, dryer atop?
mircea_popescu: no, no. the washer, it doesn't have that stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal.
mircea_popescu: it has a spinning tower with fins, vertical.
ben_vulpes: oh interesting
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better imo. nfi why it took so long.
ben_vulpes: oh wait
ben_vulpes: this is standard issue?
mircea_popescu: basically it convects your textiles through the water/air border, repeatedly.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
ben_vulpes: does your drum still spin to do a pre-dry extraction?
mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water. ☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i do not think i have ever seen this wonder
mircea_popescu: i shall inquire re model number.
ben_vulpes: you say "stupid rotating faraday cage thing, horizontal", as in a front-loading washer?
mircea_popescu: i guess ?
mircea_popescu: i've seen them top loading also
ben_vulpes: threw me, this is a novel invention in the states to speed up parts wear and mildew growth
mircea_popescu: nah, it's what the ro washing machines all were cca 1985
ben_vulpes: madness
ben_vulpes: why would you put a door seal in place when you could simply seal the agitator axle
ben_vulpes: plus asymmetric load due to gravity during centrifuge cycle
ben_vulpes: i have only ever bought old, used washers and dryers
ben_vulpes: no idea why anyone would buy this sort of thing with the new tax in place
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whirlpool clean touch.
ben_vulpes: also i suspect the energy efficiency numbers are twisted by shrinking load size which is total bullshit
mircea_popescu: what tax ?
BingoBoingo: In other news: US "Occupational Safety" politruks are about to approve IMPACT RATED CONTACT LENSES!!!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's actually not such a bad idea.
ben_vulpes: "new tax" as in tax for buying goods new
BingoBoingo: Not a bad idea, but how is the execution?
mircea_popescu: oh metaphorically speaking
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: https://youtu.be/HkPkkCVF6f0?t=1310 << centrifuge
mircea_popescu: bout a third of the trade of eye surgeon friend.
ben_vulpes: !!up trinque
deedbot: trinque voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: hola trinque
trinque: ty
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh huh.
mircea_popescu: well i guess that shows how much i know about washers ;/
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gravity's not enough
ben_vulpes: psh, washers. try surface tension!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess this gets classified as /mp finally figures out what top loading washer is, likes it.
ben_vulpes: mp looks at std issue consumer item for first time since leaving .ro more like it
ben_vulpes: but yes, glorious technology
ben_vulpes: infinitely repairable
mircea_popescu: hey, them girls. they make random things fun.
mircea_popescu: i'm like in adult kindergarten.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You also have to consider the marketing rape of "impact resistant" from "doesn't break" to implications of "shock resistant"
mircea_popescu: yeah. not shattering is a biggy.
mircea_popescu: the rest... well.
ben_vulpes: wait shattering?
mircea_popescu: oya.
ben_vulpes: people still use hard lenses?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: w-why?
mircea_popescu: shut up and side load.
ben_vulpes: lolzlozl
ben_vulpes: soft lenses are a thing, i've been using them since they came out with astigmatism weights.
mircea_popescu: that's what girls get also.
mircea_popescu: they're not even expensive, coupla hundred or such.
trinque: man I just figure that pair of blurs in front of me on teh highway is something I don't want to drive into
ben_vulpes: what, praytell, is so manly about the rigid lenses
mircea_popescu: hm ?
trinque probably needs to go get eyeball compensators soon, getting old
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh, i just happen to not need any. those girls who need eye correction, get same thing you're discussing, a-weighted soft contacts/
ben_vulpes: trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point ☟︎
ben_vulpes: dreamt*
mircea_popescu: wasn't implying any gender discrimination or inferiority or racism or anything of the kind!
ben_vulpes: muh feefees!
ben_vulpes: hurtful
mircea_popescu: shall i wear some prescriptionless glasses for you ?
ben_vulpes: a cock cage, methinks
mircea_popescu: hue
ben_vulpes: can't have anyone dancing to well, now
mircea_popescu gets 16 inch solid iridium spiked penis cage with a little handcrafted machine gun on top.
mircea_popescu: disintegrating belt feed!!!
trinque drove a nissan cock cage for 3hrs today, worst car on earth
mircea_popescu: lmao
ben_vulpes: penii spikata
trinque: arm wrests two different heights
trinque: *rests
mircea_popescu: didn't cuisinart buy nissan ?
ben_vulpes: did it wrest you out of alignment?
ben_vulpes: tooo laaaate
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: GE
ben_vulpes: you can buy the frame but they still own the engine
trinque: want to go ~100mph you'd better find a downhill or two
mircea_popescu: TWO downhills ? wtf is this, skater car ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: it'll break speed limits?
trinque: it'll tickle them eh?
trinque: and make noises like you're out of weed whacker string
mircea_popescu: was it at least a nissan suv pickup ?
ben_vulpes: i figured those shits called alexa all polite like to find out what the speed limit was
BingoBoingo: Speed limit will brake
trinque: no no this was the bottom tier shit nissan; I'm cheap as fuck
trinque: versa.
mircea_popescu: so basically you went around on a toothbrush.
ben_vulpes: trinque: sidesaddle or cowboy?
trinque: what's the one where you push it with feet out bottom
BingoBoingo: Footisting?
mircea_popescu: standard issue mall cop model eh.
ben_vulpes: i fucking hate this: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/algorithm/remove_copy_if/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652781 << viceversa, really. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 04:42 asciilifeform: irrigate desert in arizona.
ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements? ☟︎
ben_vulpes: if i knew how many there were i'd probably also know which they were
ben_vulpes: > returns an iterator the the end of the copied range
ben_vulpes: so what, truncate the array, however the fuck that works in this baroque hellscape?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes see, the problem is they have no sense of humor. why the fuck make JUST "remove_copy_if" when you could have had a whole suite. "if_copy_remove" "remove_if_copy" AND "copy_if_remove" plus removeif_copy and __remove_ifcopy for good seizure.
trinque: ben_vulpes: clearly you pick a length which will be enough for anybody.
ben_vulpes: trinque: I DON'T WANT THE MOTHERFUCKING ZEROS
ben_vulpes: or a fucking if statement downstream that doesn't serialize a magic number
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, copy it again, don't truncate.
ben_vulpes: yeah okay i'm going to go find satoshi and kill him myself
mircea_popescu: you ever been at those gangster weddings in the 70s where they piled up antoinette's tit champagne glasses and then filled them from the top ?
mircea_popescu: THAT is how c objects are supposed to work modernly.
ben_vulpes: nobody i know is so tasteless as to waste good wine like that.
ben_vulpes: well, hang out with.
mircea_popescu: how you ended up programming is a mystery in this context.
ben_vulpes: i actually had to castigate someone at this otherwise nice joint, "picnic house" for serving me bubbles in a coup recently.
mircea_popescu: what's a coup ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: story is boring: i was doing r/d for teeny tiny chip testing companies in the "silicon forest", hated commuting to the burbs and not having a keg in the office, and got hoovered up by the great webdev pressure gradient.
ben_vulpes: the tit glasses
ben_vulpes: coupe?
mircea_popescu: ah. they're actually fine for champagne cocktails imo
mircea_popescu: but yes, usually coupe.
ben_vulpes: fucking terrible, offgass an entire glass in 2 minutes
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to drink it not dribble in it.
ben_vulpes: i will drink it at whatever speed i choose
mircea_popescu: and the girls ?
ben_vulpes: subject to conduction from the outside
ben_vulpes: i don't need a new motherfucking surface area problem on top of my drinking problem
ben_vulpes: "they will drink it at whatever speed i choose as well" my popesculator says
trinque: > not having a keg in the office
trinque: not a problem at my last pdx gig!
trinque: but y'know, straight to the hard liquor
ben_vulpes: well this was in the burbs, at a fab facility
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway. add a thin layer of oil, venting problems solved.
ben_vulpes: keeping booze on the premises amplifies the extant tension between production and engineering
mircea_popescu: sesame works fine.
ben_vulpes: i think i'll stick to the correct glassware.
mircea_popescu: recycled motor oil also
ben_vulpes: !!up trinque
deedbot: trinque voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: anyways, i understand the 2010-2013 "bitcoin developer" demo better now
ben_vulpes: they...don't see anything wrong with this fundament.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: dude, what understand. they're drones, beta males looking to get into some kind of party, any kind of party. they've made a pact and shit.
ben_vulpes: i have derived a tiny bit of insight about a huge swath of the population, then.
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone remember any specifics re that studio fire last year ?
ben_vulpes: oakland, operators got out with their kids (mournfully), buncha other folks crisped
mircea_popescu: a ty
ben_vulpes: http://www.sfchronicle.com/oakland-fire/
mircea_popescu: qntra dsid it, as it turns out. http://qntra.net/2016/12/oakland-warehouse-destroyed-by-artist-infestation/
ben_vulpes: shame
ben_vulpes: everlasting shame
mircea_popescu: !!up gizmolearner
deedbot: gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
gizmolearner: Ahh. Chat is off by default?
mircea_popescu: yes.
gizmolearner: Probe is working great. BTW it's a purchase last week, so they still sell the kits with probes.
gizmolearner: I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe? ☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/teatro-la-comedia-de-san-jose-calle-13-entre-av-6-y-8/ << Trilema - Teatro "La Comedia" de San Jose (Calle 13, entre Av. 6 y 8)
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i thought those are mostly standard, but i take it your girls line dry after? because centrifuge doesn't get it dry dry ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
phf`: mine is a vertical spinner, but it also has a horizontal drier in the same tower. i'd say apartments i've seen it's 50/50 between vertical and horizontal washers
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had) ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652709 << i grew up literally in the library of my parents' house, they put my bed there when i was 12 or something. 5-6k tomes or thereabouts. i've not kept a house with books the past decade nevertheless, nor do i intend to.
phf`: Framedragger: that's colloquial use of "anarchist" by the way, i.e. when i was growing up that was post-punk, post-left (in a marxist leninist sense) people. think bob black, rather than murray bookchin
phf`: they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art" ☟︎
Framedragger: phf`: ah ok that makes sense. i checked bob black (lols), yeah gotcha. lulzy re "art"
Framedragger: !#s abolition of work
a111: 1 result for "abolition of work", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=abolition%20of%20work
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652926 << http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html >> 'C++ is a language strongly optimized for ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:50 ben_vulpes: how am i supposed to know how many elements to allocate for the array which will receive the filtered elements?
asciilifeform: liars and people who go by guesswork and ignorance.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652984 << afaik: the 4GB apu1 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 07:00 gizmolearner: I noticed in the probe faq that new APUs aren't supported. Any thoughts on what the best board (memory capacity I guess) that will work with the probe?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652989 << exactly this ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know. ☟︎
asciilifeform: almost certainly cheapest and most practical is to have it made , yourself, at, say, 'gold phoenix' plant.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i have a '90s tower of horizontal-horizontal here. worx great. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:27 mircea_popescu: it dun have a centrifuge, it sucks the water out inertially. ie, as it lifts the clothes they lose water.
asciilifeform: but it was made pre-'saving'.
Framedragger: !!up gizmolearner
deedbot: gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
gizmolearner: I was just looking for something relatively painless. Anything plug n play better than the APU1's with 4GB?
asciilifeform: what's that mean ?
asciilifeform: what lacking 'plug and play' is there to complain about in a box with all peripherals soldered down ??
asciilifeform: gizmolearner: if you don't feel like soldering the debug jack : biggest readily available board is probably gizmo2
gizmolearner: The Gizmo Explorer only has 1GB. Ideally I would like something with ~8-16GB (or DIMM slots)
asciilifeform: ( 2G )
asciilifeform: but no slots.
asciilifeform: if you want something with dimm slots, AND a debug jack, god help you, i've been searching for 5+ years on secondhand market.
gizmolearner: Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me ☟︎
gizmolearner: https://www.gizmosphere.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/4531_Gizmo2_ProBRIEF_FNL.Element14.pdf says Gizmo2 is only 1GB?
asciilifeform: hm yea nm
asciilifeform: get the apu1 while you can.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652852 << contactlens is imho terrifyingly bad tech. entirely unsuited for anybody who works with hands ever. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well that i dunno. but shatter contacts are a major and growing part of serious eye injury.
asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: traps gasses, melts into eye, makes just about any mishap a blindness event
asciilifeform: even soldering becomes a hazard with contact lens.
Framedragger: and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652887 << ever considered the laser job ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 05:40 ben_vulpes: trinque: i've dreamed of waking up and being able to see for decades at this point
asciilifeform: ( get it 1 eye at a time, so that if fails, at least you have 1 good eye left )
Framedragger: gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it? ☟︎
Framedragger sits here with ~ -10 dioptre (genetics, man)
Framedragger: (one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses)) ☟︎
Framedragger: !!up gizmolearner
deedbot: gizmolearner voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: gizmolearner: just fyi, you could register your gpg key with deedbot (http://deedbot.org/help.html), would make things easier
gizmolearner: Framedragger, thanks for the info
gizmolearner: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5iWTd/?raw=true
deedbot: B147983D4E7087710B0DC9D0BA56F6ACA4219D40 registered as gizmolearner.
Framedragger: !!rate gizmolearner 1 apu etc. tinkerer / new blood
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I9CWG/?raw=true
Framedragger: !!v A4F5EC635F416E296E2BCA9C11C7D7F4701F9E5B516236AD55C29E4A844F158D
deedbot: Framedragger rated gizmolearner 1 << apu etc. tinkerer / new blood
Framedragger: gizmolearner: now you can `/msg deedbot !!up gizmolearner`
gizmolearner: Framedragger cool, thanks
asciilifeform: in other noose, the LYSO crystals are here !
Framedragger: asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something? ☟︎
gizmolearner: In random news... the first Intel NUC I order from Amazon.com (not 3rd party seller), was just a box bag of gravel inside. Customer support sent a real one. I'm guessing a reshrink wrapped return that got send out again.
Framedragger: heh.
Framedragger: and in scanning news, launched ipv4 rescan. (1st phase, which is easier than 2nd phase (key extraction), but will give us some interesting data nonetheless.)
gizmolearner: I wonder how many Intel boxs with vulnerable AMT are on the web...
asciilifeform: afaik vuln still not public...
asciilifeform: Framedragger: neato
gizmolearner: I thought it was just a null password? https://www.embedi.com/files/white-papers/Silent-Bob-is-Silent.pdf ☟︎
gizmolearner: (err null response I guess)
asciilifeform reads
Framedragger: omg it seems that it is, wrong value passed to strncmp ahahaha
gizmolearner: Yeah would have been really quickly if it wasn't buried in compressed code. Instead it's in years of BIOS's and basically gives remote as if local root access.
asciilifeform: anybody disasm the patched fw yet??
gizmolearner: I don't even know how they reversed the huffman coding in the first place since the table is buried in PCH ROM.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B5jUA/?raw=true ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652986 << used to, until this year. i like the fresh air scent of clothes / can't stand detergent perfume bs. unexaminedly i didn't even consider non-open air drying of clothes to be acceptably hygienic in the first place, as per ro traditionz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 09:57 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652831 << i thought those are mostly standard, but i take it your girls line dry after? because centrifuge doesn't get it dry dry
mircea_popescu: but reviewed the matter last month, dun actually have objection to correctly used dryer.
gizmolearner: ƒAny idea why reset on Gizmo explorer doesn't starts at EIP=0xfffffc10 instead of 0xfffffff0?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652989 << no, i have no objection to it being incomprehensible, it strikes me as nutty also. perhaps a major part of the explanation is that whenever i don't remember something i just pick a girl who likely doesn't know it, ask her about it, and when she doesn't know it she gets ordered to research it. another part of it, maybe even larger, is that the stuff that actually interests me isn't ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:04 phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652797 << i don't get it. i'd say i could get rid of about 20% of my books, but the rest i read or consult regularly. i had the bulk of my books in storage last year, and it was inconvenient (unlike say clothes or random "useful" junk that i have, that, once it goes into storage i don't even remember i had)
mircea_popescu: in english, and consequently by and large digitized. consider http://trilema.com/2017/balul-de-simbata-seara/#comment-121981 which is literally correct : virtually all romanian films worth watching are on the youtube. ~same for say italian, or french.
mircea_popescu: being born to a stupid mother and inheriting her stupid tongue is a heavy burden indeed, as it turns out.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653061 << got it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 14:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/B5jUA/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner it starts at whatever you have in that register neh ?
gizmolearner: x86 should reset to 0xfffffff0 ☟︎
mircea_popescu: can't say without the docs for your specific item, but i guess it doesn't ?
mircea_popescu: "x86" is, sadly, not really a thing in this sense.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652992 << not much, but still better than "skateboarding", i guess. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 10:52 phf`: they were permanent residents of european hackerspaces, and if they did ~anything~ it would've been some kind of experimental "art"
gizmolearner: docs say FFF0 - http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/24593.pdf
gizmolearner: I wonder if the probe takes a few instructions before it stops
mircea_popescu: seems possible you stumbled on something there.
mircea_popescu: do both addresses hold the same value ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653003 << doesn't aries sell them anymore ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:04 asciilifeform: gizmolearner: theoretically you can attach probe to any (but the latest, crippled) amd cpu using a 'socket interposer' that sandwiches under the chip. but as to where to get it -- no one seems to know.
mircea_popescu: dude check it out, they're still online!
mircea_popescu: http://www.arieselec.com ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653018 << you know, maybe a proper probe might even make sense for nsa. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:12 gizmolearner: Soldering debug I can do. Having PCB manufactured is a bit beyond me
mircea_popescu: what 4 gb, let it have sixteen banks for all anyone cares, put 2 tb in there. and let it not be "industry friendly" either.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653024 << it's fortunate then that nobody gives a shit about glasses except in hot women, if at all. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
mircea_popescu: !!up test58290739
deedbot: test58290739 voiced for 30 minutes.
gizmolearner: I figured it out. Instruction at 0xfffffff0 is a jump. The probe doesn't refresh the registers until after you execute an instruction. So after reset the registers are stale.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: this isn't by any chance the first time you got a probe going ?
gizmolearner: yes and no. first time with this probe. also played with OpenOCD on the Quark
mircea_popescu: well good for you. having fun ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653031 << it does, yes. though the better doctors will just do it over time, take 3-5 years to shave you down to .1 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:36 Framedragger: gets more dangerous with more intense myopia etc., doesn't it?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: multiple operations? i haven't even considered that. hmm, thanks for the pointer
gizmolearner: Yeah, aside from not being able to get the Intel side of things going yet.
Framedragger will bring it up on next visit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653027 << but no, not really. you don't wear them continuously, and the lacrimal soup isn't very conducive in the first place. it's true plastic is great bacterial substrate, but really material science has come a long way, this is not much of a concern. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:23 Framedragger: and good environment for all kinds of very nasty bacteria to flourish
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well, doctor knows so you don't have to :)
Framedragger: yeah, suppose so!
Framedragger: re. soup, i dunno stats / anecdotal cases, but there have been instances of otherwise-high-hygiene folks getting nasty bacteria by forgetting not to use tap water, once (source is unreliable bbc article so yeah, meh); etc.
mircea_popescu: also, this was a field where waiting for computing paid off, past 2 decades. but i'd be gut-guessing it's just about mature by now.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sounds more like the whole "tap water is bad mmkay" pieces the bottled water folks keep regularly seeding.
Framedragger: heh, yeah, true...
gizmolearner: On the quark it actually does slide a few insructions on reset because they didn't bother to wire TRST, so they are reseting in stopping in some hacky way.
mircea_popescu: it's mind boggling that in a world arot with socialists, the one place where communal solutions fucking make sense finds itself cornered, and about to lose a head.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653033 << this is a terrifyingly stupid idea. gf knocks your glasses off next you drive into me then ima have to get out, beat you into a pulp and set the rest of the eu on fire because htye'll be all "hey, why you beat guy into pulp, that's against eu regulations" and i'll be all "fuck you and your stupid mothers" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:37 Framedragger: (one good outcome of .lt joining .eu: was able to get driver's license (change in regulations for driving, if person can see well with glasses))
Framedragger: there is that. i don't do lots of driving at all, and plan to avoid driving at night, ever. but, yeah, point taken.
mircea_popescu: not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit. ☟︎
gizmolearner: The Sage EDK had the ability to write the flash. Any ideas on how to do that without it?
mircea_popescu: and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653073 << if you want to stop at reset vector, you gotta enable this, see my gdb monitor commands guide. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:06 gizmolearner: x86 should reset to 0xfffffff0
asciilifeform: otherwise you end up stopping wherever.
mircea_popescu: !!rate gizmolearner 1 start-up something something, dunno.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i86s4/?raw=true
gizmolearner: It's stopping correctly, it's just not refreshing the registers
mircea_popescu: !!v 4947C1175F722ED8FF8619456B757E85CBD4194015DD8C789EB86C87D92CCFA9
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gizmolearner 1 << start-up something something, dunno.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653085 << i dun see an interposer in that catalogue ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:17 mircea_popescu: http://www.arieselec.com
gizmolearner: but I know it's just a jump so it's all good
gizmolearner: asciilifeform: any ideas on how to write the flash through the probe?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow rly ? that's ~all they did, bpg lifters, interposers and i guess some cable shits
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not a socket-f interposer, certainly. we're talking about a pretty hefty and expensive (impedance-matched, etc) thing.
mircea_popescu: http://www.arieselec.com/products/data/23016-csp-hybrid-socket.htm neh ?
asciilifeform: gizmolearner: you do it with induced pci write cycles. see 'flashrom' (i have the beginnings of a 'flashrom' back-end to sage, but not finished yet sadly)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's a socket ! as in what goes on a mobo. not interposer.
asciilifeform: interposer is this condom thing that goes UNDER cpu.
asciilifeform: and still fits in stock socket. bringing out certain pins.
mircea_popescu: dude... it has probes built in etc ?
asciilifeform: the linked item is a socket. as in, solders onto a bare pcb.
asciilifeform: as in, these are sold wherever. not rarity. and not at all useful for subj.
mircea_popescu: i must not be understanding something.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma find a photo.
mircea_popescu: you don't want to hook up one of these to a board, and use it to probe chip ?
asciilifeform: https://cdn3.volusion.com/gqopm.ulhpm/v/vspfiles/photos/Q6UJ9A00RBLU-2.jpg << intel interposer.
asciilifeform: sits down in a socket, and has ~second~ socket for cpu.
asciilifeform: you can't solder a stock socket on top of a regular socket, no.
asciilifeform: they have ball grids, and 0.01mm dimensional tolerance, and impedance match, etc.
mircea_popescu: so not like eg http://www.arieselec.com/products/data/23026-bga-high-temp-burn-in-and-test-socket.htm ?
asciilifeform: needs dedicated gizmo, to work.
asciilifeform: exactly not like. 'test socket' is what folx used to call a 'zif', gizmo for use in factory to test ~chips~ on conveyor, rated for many insertion cycles and easy to open/close
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: and since gotta be impedance matched you'd expect they'd advertise it if they actually had it ?
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: ic.
asciilifeform: it isn't a mass-produced, in the ordinary sense, item.
asciilifeform: 'letter from hitler.'
mircea_popescu: i guess with the new leadless bs you'll ruin the board before you get the socket off anyway
mircea_popescu is evidently stuck in the past.
asciilifeform: soldering to an exposed ball is also out of the question
asciilifeform: impedance.
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: whole thing more or less has to be perfect, to work at all.
mircea_popescu: brings the question wtf golden specked teflon they even make the interposers out of
asciilifeform: literally teflon.
asciilifeform: flex pcb
mircea_popescu: i expect, yeah
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner did you ever say what you did for a living or anything ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653054 << lel! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 14:31 gizmolearner: I thought it was just a null password? https://www.embedi.com/files/white-papers/Silent-Bob-is-Silent.pdf
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653116 << in usa , there exist braille lettering on ~drive-through~ atm. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: not like it's a rule everyone must drive, wear the same dumbass clothes and read reddit.
asciilifeform: because indeed 'everyone must drive'
asciilifeform: no auto ~= no legs
mircea_popescu: yes but we were talking of actual people, not like americans.
mircea_popescu: ok this has been one hell of an entertaining morning.
mircea_popescu: "the password should be just as long as the password presented was, wut, problem???".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653086 << probe is actually not so hard to clone. problem is what to plug it into. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653018 << you know, maybe a proper probe might even make sense for nsa.
asciilifeform: amd g-series has been properly crippled, as of 2y ago.
asciilifeform: all new production affected.
asciilifeform: this leaves 0 useful x86 cpu in current production.
mircea_popescu: what did it do, looks for signed crapload or what was it ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: 1024b ?
asciilifeform: 2048
mircea_popescu: o brother, luxurious fuckers are they.
asciilifeform: now i've thought about having a mobo for ~classic~ opterons made. but this would easily go 10,000 $ a piece in small qty. and needs docs that i dun have.
mircea_popescu: and decades idem
asciilifeform: well no, no decade. but would have to get asic made, for southbridge
asciilifeform: so equally painful as making new comp from 0.
asciilifeform: no particular point in doing so, x86 gotta die.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that rather make that, best make new comp. trb-i all over again.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: 'spittoon was in one strand'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for my curiosity, does imperial drm tech look for a 2048 rsa or ec sig ?
asciilifeform: 2048 rsa
mircea_popescu: not eating own dogfood, be they.
asciilifeform: i even put the amd pubkeys in phuctor, recall.
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. but why, it's so insecure and ec is so much better and there's even this stuff on mediumgithub ?
asciilifeform: recall the finn
asciilifeform: he showed how to extract'em
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: iirc i got all known, at the time, variants, in there.
mircea_popescu: lol if that pops, the unhappening should be lulzy to watch. from space preferably.
asciilifeform: aha. but fat chance.
mircea_popescu: hey. did you see the password length item above ?
mircea_popescu: not like empire can hire above monkey.
gizmolearner: ƒasciilifeform: pseudo code but LPC ISA (Bus 0,Device 20, Function 3).Spi_Base(90h).SPI_OpCode=ERASE look like a step in the right direction?
mircea_popescu: wtf is that ƒ he keeps putting in there ?
gizmolearner: Maybe RISC V will take over enough
asciilifeform: would make 0 diff, to have it
asciilifeform: if your box still has such things as intel NICs, DMA, pci.
gizmolearner: mircea_popescu: used to do security software, goofed off for a few years, running out of savings so I need to either make something or get a job again
mircea_popescu: seems rather like the whole nic-dma combo is being fortified as a wolf's last stand. i guess they expect ot lose cpus (to the chinese).
mircea_popescu: !!key gizmolearner
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/B147983D4E7087710B0DC9D0BA56F6ACA4219D40.asc
asciilifeform: they already lost'em in pocket comp space ( to arm, which is still centralized/nato design, but tottering control )
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner "used to do security software" as in, anonymously ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
gizmolearner: McAfee/Network General/MyCio in the 90's
mircea_popescu: yes, but as Joe Schmoe or as nobody in particular ?
gizmolearner: I was software architect for the av group for a while, got their enterprise product started, got like 20 patents, decided I hated patents and was just working against my future self, left, couple startups that failed, nothing really too noteworthy
mircea_popescu: did you publish anything at any point of this ?
mircea_popescu: ah, ok, liek what patents ?
gizmolearner: Saying would identify me, and I prefer to be somewhat anonymous for now.
mircea_popescu: aite.
gizmolearner: I'll say this about back then though, it was nice to have a company to buy thinigs like SoftIce and IDA.
mircea_popescu: oh, for my own curiosity, as an anon data point : would you say spending a few years mid career working for failed start-ups makes one more money than working for corp ? less ? ~same ?
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's experience -- less
mircea_popescu: omg stop tainting the straw poll!
asciilifeform: lolk
gizmolearner: McAfee was sort of mid startup when I joined, so 90% of my money was from them becaause the stock was actually worth somthing. By startups I had higher salary, but it wasn't on a level to complete with the stock.
gizmolearner: Work at Google or Facebook if you want money. If you are into something like deep learning you can earn probably in the mid six figures.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm worth like a billion give or take a few start-ups.
gizmolearner: Even starting engineers make more than I did as a CTO for startups 10 years ago
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the fiat is worth less.
gizmolearner: Actually maybe 15 years ago.. Time flies
mircea_popescu: like an arrow ; fruit flies fly like flies.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "you will always make more money tomorrow than yesterday, no matter what you do". sounds like a dream until you find out how the ustards implemented it in practice.
asciilifeform knows very well, how.
mircea_popescu: but you can make some great vhs tapes on this flimsy premise. who'll ever know.
gizmolearner: mircea_popescu you might make more money in terms of amount, but not nescessarily in actual value. Might be true if you have enough money that your money makes money.
gizmolearner: Although "always" is a loaded term
mircea_popescu: no, that's what i meant, more nominally, worth ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: just like socialism fails in general.
mircea_popescu: the soviet hotties who willingly traded their charms for a cake of soap and two rolls of proper toilet paper whenever they could get the attentions of a not-born-among-retards visitor for long enough were nominally employed, in a nominally functioning empire, nominally making a great salary.
gizmolearner: The Gulag Archipelago makes me want to retire from the human race. Capitalism is pretty broken, but I prefer it to what people in the USSR had to go through.
mircea_popescu: capitalism is broken ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, don't worry, it's definitely coming.
gizmolearner: I think in the not so far future most poeple will be obsolete, so capatlisim is out. If machines can outthink and outwork the average person that is a lot of redundant people. On the plus side, the world would still be producing as much as ever. So what do we do ? Try socialsim again?
mircea_popescu: can't say i follow those jumps.
mircea_popescu: how is capitalism out just because most people are obsolete ? capitalism is here to stay, not people, and ESPECIALLY not the obsolete ones.
mircea_popescu: they'll just get cooked as per swift's cookbook and that's the last anyone'll ever hear of them.
mircea_popescu: but in any case -- socialism is always "tried" when the curve of worker consumption exceeds the industrial output, ie when there's a lot of idle, unmonetizable pretense going around. in other words, socialism is the scar tissue, papering over absent production, not ever the result of abundance.
gizmolearner: After many years of slow growth, AI is currently looking to be on an unstoppable path. If a machine that costs $.25 an hour to run can out think a person who costs $50 an hour. What should the people do? Capatilism says the machines should win the jobs. So no you have factories and things that require almost no people, but still produce as much as ever. And a lot of unemployable people.
mircea_popescu: the us is turning socialist because average us produced cuntlet can't bridge the gap between what she thinks her priceless snowflake of a snatch is worth and what i might consider paying.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner you need to be thinking on a machine costing a quarter an hour to arrive at the conclusion a machine could outthink some guy making money.
mircea_popescu: mind that people making 50 an hour "to think" are simply enjoying the upper tier of welfare. just like the idiot blue collar is paid 12 an hour to get out of the way, so is the idiot white collar paid 50 an hour.
mircea_popescu: neither is producing any value, the whole thing is "this is cheaper than shooting you, so far."
gizmolearner: At some point the people revolt, and they also have guns.
mircea_popescu: lol ok.
mircea_popescu: and shoot what, transformer stations ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: even if you had a large supply of quarters for this new laundromat.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653024 << yeah uh don't wear contacts in the machine shop ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:21 asciilifeform: no good in machine shop, no good in organic chem lab, no good anywhere but perfumed throne room finery.
mircea_popescu: people do not revolt. "people", like submissive wives, will only move out when they identify some other thing to move into.
mircea_popescu: until then, will happily boil like frogs, these "people".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes or rather, wear the plastic thing over them, like everyone in machine shop does anyway.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653028 << regularly. "when i'm rich!!!1" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 13:24 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1652887 << ever considered the laser job ?
gizmolearner: Do you agree with the premise that at some point most (if not all) of the population will be obsolete?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it costs less than new lappy iirc
mircea_popescu: same in chem lab. you are of course wearing airtight goggles, yes ? then ?
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner i actually believe that point was cca 2005.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~nobody actually wears the school goggles in actual lab. they 'sweat'.
mircea_popescu: anyway. past not future event.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get good ones. but anyway, i do, in the grand total i dunno, 100 hours i spent in a chem lab over three decades.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: outside of uni ?
ben_vulpes: yeah i wore 'em. sweat and all.
mircea_popescu: bout half.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet these, 'good ones', sweat evaporates and condenses inside the lenses, ick.
gizmolearner: So if we go further and say at some point everyone is obsolete, then you are left with a power struggle between those who happened to be in a place of power and those who aren't so fortunate. All are potentially obsolete.
mircea_popescu: hard to draw this "ouitside of uni" line, but first approx.
ben_vulpes: also proper impact resistant glasses when i had to sojurn across the fab floor when i did that.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner no. just because most women are unfuckable doesn't mean all are. or ever will be.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i wear 'riot shield' face thing in machine shop. worx great. and 0 sweating.
mircea_popescu: planet is about 99% pork bellies belabouring under the delusion of humanity. this fat will be trimmed, but the process or the delusion speak not to actual people.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah those are great asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, yeah, popular with welders, that thing, and cnc mill people.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, imagine my relief upgrading to the self-darkening welding mask
asciilifeform: these are mightily spiffy.
mircea_popescu: heliomatic glass is cheap now eh.
ben_vulpes: imagine learning to strike an arc without one!
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653118 << also ruins the peripheral vision, demanding more head-swiveling ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 15:35 mircea_popescu: and yes you have some dB loss because of the resistence of the medium. "i couldn't see that light officer". of course not, it was faint and you were wearing glasses.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i wasn't even going to go into how i spot a lot more tiny geckos, lost earrings, etc than my glass-blessed friends.
gizmolearner: Yeah, but who will be left over? If people are actually obsolete, it's just a popularity contest in then end.
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: true :( (painfully aware of it)...
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner well, that's what the republic is for. literally, tmsr = the republic of the leftover.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast ☟︎
Framedragger goes to rearrange life
mircea_popescu: to make it a wot contest rather than a popularity contest, ie, to remove the franchise from the britney spears demo.
gizmolearner: tmsr?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i long ago came to terms with my poor acuity.
ben_vulpes: gizmolearner: "the most serene republic (of bitcoin)"
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't care for chan topics.
ben_vulpes: i will admit to the same
gizmolearner: Sorry, came in via loper-os. Wasn't really here for politics.
mircea_popescu: hey, me too. what's one to do ?
ben_vulpes: "it's there, i guess we gotta put something in it"
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner honestly i don't think anyone is. politics is like cleanning, nobody builds himself a lab for the joy of having to clean it up periodically.
asciilifeform: gizmolearner: keep in mind that the article that brought you here, would not exist if not but for the 'politics'.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, a lab that nobody spends time cleaning shows it.
ben_vulpes: clean up after every shift!
mircea_popescu: well, then again alf might be the exception. hey, do you enjoy cleaning the lab ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform did not clean up the year+ of work that led to it for publication 'for the lulz' or for whatever idiot reddit reason.
ben_vulpes: let no leeb leave undiscomfited
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i clean by moving to new lab, lol
mircea_popescu: next you're going to tell me silk comes out your ass.
asciilifeform: pbwwwkfft.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: srsly, this is also how silkworms clean up their lab. better make sure you got a new layer of mulberry leaves atop for them to move to OR ELSE THEY DIE!!
mircea_popescu: silkworm dun care!
asciilifeform: it's the only tru way to properly clean anything!111 phakt!!
mircea_popescu: leik how they cleanned up europe cca 1500 yes ?
asciilifeform: aaha
mircea_popescu: well... maybe the tremendously ever-improving ai opens up a whole bunch of galaxies' worth of new leaves, like sf promised.
mircea_popescu: god knows they were right about the flying cars / submerged cities, so why not this also.
mircea_popescu: not like we can do math or know enough physics to know what to do math upon or anything.
asciilifeform: gotta also love the 'imminent mega-ai' from the same folx who brought us crashing microshit excel.
asciilifeform: and c.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : i was walking with a girl, she groks maths and things, we were lulzing at the socioeconomic/politicoscamful aspect of qc. ended up discussing its future, i said it's on the outs, no gimmick long outlives its failure to produce anything, and the qc has been promising stuff for long enough now. i said, "i just dunno what they're moving to next, but they'll move".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653301 << gotta love the folx who buy 12-cyl mazeratis to go REALLYREALLYFAST!!! between same red lights as the toyota goes ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:11 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: now imagine you have a car that actually goes fast
mircea_popescu: i have a pretty good guess by now : ai.
mircea_popescu: apparently the winter was temporary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gotta disagree, hot-fusor seems to be immortal grantomatic
asciilifeform: despite 100% expensive, massive -ev.
ben_vulpes: "one season following another/laden with happiness and tears"
asciilifeform: philosopher's stones can live for centuries.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: just because you don't have open highways doesn't mean they don't exist, aren't used
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the autobahn without the speed booby exists somewhere near valhalla, in asgard.
ben_vulpes: it's a cost, ya pay it
gizmolearner: sorry chat client died
ben_vulpes: y'also buy a valentine
asciilifeform: a what?
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner you know how to use the logs ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: radar/laser detector
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you are posting from 1980s ?
asciilifeform: these do 0 against camera trap
ben_vulpes: ah this
asciilifeform: ( and hefty fine if found in a search )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform zee germanz have no speed limit thing.
ben_vulpes: no fine here.
ben_vulpes: also cameras only deployed in cities out here.
asciilifeform: neato. ben_vulpes's city must be 100% cameratronic then
ben_vulpes: mostly, yes
asciilifeform: ( in east usa there are still some radars, and massive fines for radar trap finder )
ben_vulpes: but they only park the vans in certain places, have to put up signs some quarter mile before
ben_vulpes: programmatic speed limit enforcement is politically fraught out here.
ben_vulpes: regressive, you see.
ben_vulpes: cops need the freedom to go after the maseratis alone.
gizmolearner: http://btcbase.org/log/
gizmolearner: ?
asciilifeform: i'll repeat my old verdict: the fastest, most luxurious, most cushioned, most speedtrap-proof auto, is ~not having to drive~
Framedragger: gizmolearner: http://btcbase.org/log ; http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema ; http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today ; pasting anchor hrefs from the first and the last will make bots sitting in channel quote those lines
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: we are not talking of "having" to drive
ben_vulpes: but driving as a thing done for fun.
asciilifeform: not-having-to-drive beats mazerati, aston-martin, bentley, all in one
ben_vulpes: yes yes
asciilifeform: one day i want to be shown this place where 'driving is fun'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta love the folx who buy 12-cyl mazeratis to go REALLYREALLYFAST!!! between same red lights as the toyota goes << oh i had the lulz of all time with this yest. so we were coming back, in cab. on other side, porsche SUV! black! dude just peels off like crazy, in the middle of the night. i go "hey, i think he won" and dun think more of it. till... guess who's lined up at next stop ? oh, us and them. so i turn a
mircea_popescu: round and turkey the driver. total idiot look, you know the "drab tshirt, close shaved for beard and hair, stupid glasses" i-m-a-java-engineer look ?
mircea_popescu: both dude and his girl pretend to not notice. they peel off again
asciilifeform: i had an old colleague who lived in arizona, in the desert, had sov 'ural' motorbike.
asciilifeform: for him, i can picture, driving -- fun
asciilifeform: but for people in civilization?!
mircea_popescu: next stop, girl mooses him. but like, in all seriousness, turns around, does it. she's in a cocktail dress, i'm in a suit, they're NOT LOOKING
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you radically overestimate civilization density out west.
ben_vulpes: everyone lives in cities. cities are very small.
mircea_popescu: gizmolearner yes. you can maintain coversation continuity even if your connection fails. so no need to apologize.
asciilifeform: what's to 'moose' ?
ben_vulpes: are also deserts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thumbs connected to tempe on either side, rest of fingers apart moving
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: as opposed to turkey, then pinky and thumb touch, other thumb touches nose.
mircea_popescu: (for some reason this bothers birds. turkeys are very reactive. then again all sorts of things bother birds -- when we checked out the parrots had to have girls take hats off. bothers them sometrhing fierce.)
asciilifeform had nfi !
mircea_popescu: yeah. i think birds deeply care about your head plumage, which you might not even known you had.
asciilifeform: lol!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform talk to mthreat, he did the "driving for fun" thjing for a while. eventually moved on to buying jets and shit. addictions are addcitive!!!
asciilifeform: jets -- i can see
asciilifeform: but wheelbarrow!
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere.
mircea_popescu: most people who eat well ate shit growing up, also. what can you do. mobile world.
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who had a g-sensor on the dash of his 500 horse bmw. laughable.
asciilifeform: what g can you pull in wheelbarrow. ☟︎
asciilifeform: on city road.
mircea_popescu: you can calc this, neh ?
asciilifeform: you can. can also empirically see. iirc maxed at 2.
mircea_popescu: 500 hp prima facie sounds like it could in principle give you a 4-5.
asciilifeform: (forward, that is. sudden braking is not anybody's idea of lulz)
mircea_popescu: but it's good g's. they're bad when rotating occipitally.
asciilifeform: 5g will separate your wheels from chassis, lol
mircea_popescu: nah.
asciilifeform: this was konsoomer auto, not 'formula1' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform presuming for unknown reasons acceleration constant, there's a strict relation between it and 0-60 timings.
ben_vulpes: lateral g's are an interesting thing to keep an eye on
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: i always wondered why 'speed devils' don't drive hovercraft.
asciilifeform: it seems entirely the thing to do.
mircea_popescu: ie, given 0-60 in 1 second, that would be about 2.77 g
ben_vulpes: but also if you're the sort of person who side-loads yr tyres a) you undestand that stick is not purely a function of lateral g's b) you deliberately break traction when you want to anyways
mircea_popescu: !~calc 60 * 1.6 / 3.6 / 10
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 60 * 1.6 / 3.6 / 10 = 2.666666666666667
mircea_popescu: wutever.
asciilifeform: hovercraft is controllable in lateral, as well as forward motion (unlike wheels); and comes with unbeatable emergency brake...
asciilifeform: ( and if you see a head-on collision coming, can gun the vertical thruster and try to jump over it... )
mircea_popescu: aghagaga
mircea_popescu: jumping hovercrafts, eh ?
asciilifeform: this is 20th c. tech, nothing martian about it
asciilifeform: su built 10,000 tonne hover.
mircea_popescu: tis funny.
asciilifeform: speaking of auto, i recently for the first time in entire life saw a 'bentley'.
mircea_popescu: didja take pics leaning on it ?
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: what a waste!
asciilifeform: somehow did not think of it. and not of wearing silver dishes on head, either...
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: i did take photo of water, from yacht, but it's a snore, didn't even feel like posting.
mircea_popescu: speakingf of which, upper crust costarica folk are really fond of silver plate.
mircea_popescu: i think i've 50lbs on the premises.
asciilifeform: everyone knows what sea loooks like already.
mircea_popescu: that and trunks. everyone got numerous trunks.
asciilifeform cements image of mircea_popesculandia as treasure island now in head
asciilifeform: yarrr.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mircea_popescu: "estilo colonial"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the coins are totally like dubloons, too.
asciilifeform can picture it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653047 << this is a slow-burning effort, Framedragger . currently stuck on finding a pin diode that 1) has any uv sensitivity to speak of 2) doesn't cost its weight in diamonds ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 14:14 Framedragger: asciilifeform: are you planning on building an entropy source based on them, then? :) need a good uv light reader, or something?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not simply repurpose array of old soapdish camera ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we're talking 430nm or so
asciilifeform: this doesn't even go through plexiglas.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there exists more accessible sensitive photodiode.
mircea_popescu: no you expose it directly.
asciilifeform: at the amplification needed, ccd is ~100% own noise
asciilifeform: (which is no good for rng, for reasons explored in older thread)
asciilifeform: common n00b mistake -- 'use ccd'
mircea_popescu: well then your problem is insoluble innit ?
asciilifeform: soluble presently for 50bux/ea.
asciilifeform: i'd like cheaper.
mircea_popescu: 50 bux is "Weight in diamonds" ?
asciilifeform: for 100mg diode aha
mircea_popescu: a carat is 200mg.
asciilifeform: !~google silicon photomultiplier
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Silicon photomultiplier - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_photomultiplier>; An Introduction to the Silicon Photomultiplier - SensL: <http://www.sensl.com/downloads/ds/TN%2520-%2520Intro%2520to%2520SPM%2520Tech.pdf>; Silicon Photomultipliers (SiPM) | Hamamatsu Photonics: <http://www.hamamatsu.com/jp/en/community/silicon_photomultipliers/>
asciilifeform: ^ them ^
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: wedding ring consisting of half carat pin diode should be interesting idea anyway.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that afaik nobody's ever tried THIS application.
asciilifeform: and conceivably much cheaper, poor sensors, will work
asciilifeform: because rng is NOT concerned with accurate photon counts
asciilifeform: if it catches 1 in 500, still great!
asciilifeform: i dun even care about background gamma, but only the 'own goals' from the Lu's ~3% unstable isotope itself
asciilifeform: (which is why LYSO and not, e.g., BGO)
asciilifeform: gamma rng has certain advantages which cannot be had any other way
asciilifeform: 1 ) cannot be influenced from outside, certainly without you knowing about it, not by 'all the king's horses and all the king's men'
asciilifeform: 2 ) trivially verified to work exactly as described, incl. the analogue 'business end'
asciilifeform: 3 ) trivially boosted to almost any bit rate you might want, by simple expedient of putting 'test capsule' from geiger kit in the box...
asciilifeform: 4 ) as bonus, acts as detector of radiological monkey business against your facility.
mircea_popescu: it also has the major drawback that it's soaking up time and where's the rsa thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rsa thing is complete other than the exponentiator -- currently on asciilifeform's desk, on grid paper..
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: gotta have the constant-time exponentiator .
asciilifeform: btw anybody other than phf` and mod6 built the example from earlier ?
asciilifeform: gentlemen, get yer gnats in working order. will need them shortly.
Framedragger: (not yet, but plan to later)
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653398 << best driver i knew was chinese, drove a beat up honda (mazda? acura?) that would cut off the engine at 120 mph, so he would drive it on 119. he'd get into racing fancy cars, and of course they can dust him on acceleration, etc. but he'll always overcome them by being a) habitually good b) calculatedly reckless ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:33 asciilifeform: what g can you pull in wheelbarrow.
asciilifeform: phf`: endurance hunter, lol
mircea_popescu: sounds like it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, only true manly race is the item depicted in, iirc, rebel without a cause. a) steal car ; b) meet at precipice ; c) last man to stand on two feet wins.
asciilifeform: 'chicken'
mircea_popescu: nah, that's driving at each other.
asciilifeform: why not old-fashioned pistol duel.
asciilifeform: cheaper.
mircea_popescu: it's for suburban kids. stealing mom's sedan dun fucking count.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since when is cheaper an argument.
asciilifeform: i suppose very rich can duel with colliding 'boeings' also, why not.
mircea_popescu: the cars are stolen. rich dunenter into it.
mircea_popescu: if you fucking buy it you already lost wtf is this.
asciilifeform: would suck if you stole one that gives out unexpectedly.
mircea_popescu: hey, be a less shitty thief.
asciilifeform: steal directly from importer!111
mircea_popescu: as per that resounding "n-am vazut niciodata hot mai prost decit prostu' care se vrea hot"
asciilifeform: not wholly unrelatedly!! :
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was recently buying faraday ~bags~ to test, after noticing that they have become cheap and ubiquitous, and then went to find WHY
asciilifeform: turns out, there is a simple electrical hijack that is now used against expensive autos,
asciilifeform: 'rf range extender attack'
asciilifeform: where upscale auto now likes to start engine immediately 'as owner walks in', from pure proximity (it is continuously polling 'is the key here??' like idiot)
asciilifeform: so to steal it, all you need is to artificially help the key box hear the interrogator antenna, and vice-versa.
asciilifeform: this is apparently done, today, on massive scale, and handily circumvents whatever alarms, etc.
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/yxcbL << see also.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: modern cars implemented the equivalent of "wtf is the point of locking door" from back in the day of hillside communities.
mircea_popescu: except ofcourse without the communities.
asciilifeform: this is exactly same thread as with the credit cards
asciilifeform: auto vendors profit from theft.
asciilifeform: ( stolen auto ? gotta get new one )
ben_vulpes: make anti theft devices lethal again
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how'd you like to be stuck in traffic behind idiot who sets off own grenade by mistake.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no because the culling of the herd must be "popularity contest" less the thinking monekys desert the empire.
asciilifeform: 'oops mistyped code'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what traffic ?
phf`: magnavolt!
mircea_popescu: take two months off, come back to empty streets.
phf`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtqRir7dco
asciilifeform: if only
mircea_popescu: i wish atms pilloried obnoxious sheilas typing in wrong pins n times.
asciilifeform: police radio in this town is maybe 40% 'check on tripped alarm' 'oops, nothing'
asciilifeform: or think of car alarm, most of the time it is what ? wind ? bird shit ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't get stuck in traffic
asciilifeform: the 'trap alive' solution is imho neato tho. car stops, locks. if the d00d inside has title to it -- they let'im go.
asciilifeform: ( if he doesn't, why not hang him ? )
ben_vulpes: how does this work when i send my brother out in my car to do something?
asciilifeform: simple, you pick him up before hanged, 'this is my brother'
ben_vulpes: also implying title is in car?
asciilifeform: title is presumably with the local lord.
asciilifeform: or however titles work in your monkeystan.
ben_vulpes: well there's the piece of paper or db record
mircea_popescu: this reduces to "a complicated gui built atop the basic idea of "just hang the poor" except with various fashionable colorings thrown in for marketing".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, britain, 1700s.
mircea_popescu: seems a shoddy way to design. you want to hang the poor, hang the poor.
asciilifeform: they didn't simply 'hang the poor' tho. ~uppity~ poor
asciilifeform: breed the malleable poor.
mircea_popescu: ie active poor, ie aspirational class, ie 100% of usg by mass.
asciilifeform: fuck the fuckable poor. etc
asciilifeform: i dunno what form of social organization lacks some kind of 'hang rustlers'.
asciilifeform: you -- them, or they -- you, tertium non datur
phf`: hanging uppity poor by will of lord seems a lot more romantic than same by process of pervasive surveillance bureaucracy
ben_vulpes: cheaper, too
asciilifeform: 'by will of lord' is what ? sultan selim using own subjects randomly for target practice from the parapet ?
asciilifeform: not esp. good pr, and accomplishes 0
asciilifeform: sort, somehow, the candidates .
phf`: will of lord as in "don't go hunting in my forest"
asciilifeform: this yes.
asciilifeform: 'don't go pinching lord's auto' is same deal.
mircea_popescu: !#s rate -10
a111: 132 results for "rate -10", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rate%20-10
mircea_popescu: ^ that.
asciilifeform: rate unknownthief -1001 does what exactly.
mircea_popescu: ah, no, if unknown then valid subject to target practice.
phf`: re i've had this visceral moment of "cheaper also" when i was standing in the part of topkapi palace where sultan was making decisions, and the guided slowly and patiently explained "no, this is all of the government. sultan here says what needs to be done to this other guy there, and that's that".
mircea_popescu: "you wouldn't give passport to furniture???"
phf`: *the guide
asciilifeform: phf`: fuhrerprinzip!111
mircea_popescu: nah, not really.
mircea_popescu: fuhrerprinzip is a lot more in the vein of usian miracle diets.
asciilifeform: it's an ideal object, wat.
mircea_popescu: as you use it, i gather. as the historical element, not so much.
asciilifeform: 'buck stops here', in the words of the original usians.
phf`: asciilifeform: as opposed to wat, make sure to consult condoleezza and her 5000 sister spawn?
mircea_popescu: phf` 1001 nights is all about that yes ?
asciilifeform: phf`: i dun see any respectable alternative to fuhrerprinzip.
asciilifeform: it's how working organizations -- work.
mircea_popescu: teach the uppity poor to read and write as an escape from the hanging, they'll be penning subversive treatises about asking condolezza and her 5000 sister conclave.
asciilifeform: alternative is, yes, insect life.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the black genocide ongoing in the us is so lulzy. here are some ~africans, dedicated fundamentally an' by nature to being lazy, confronted with either become wasps, "tryinna make it in this game" or else indians, part of the bureaucracy. possibly the two LEAST adequate passtimes for black man, ghetto gangsta or university professors, are what they must do!!!
mircea_popescu: has a certain kind of ironic sublimicity, the thing.
mircea_popescu: really, black dude's gonna be the carefee highway robber of 2020 ? what next, samoan ballerinas, gypsy wrestlers, what.
asciilifeform: lolwat genocide. i went to annapolis , mega-rich ~100%-of-visible-people white and yacht-riding. walked by a school yard -- guess what, 100% dark faces.
asciilifeform: there's only 1 genocide going in usa nao.
asciilifeform: and it ain't of the africans.
mircea_popescu: genocide comes from genus!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-3-once-outside-the-terminal/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 3 - Once outside the terminal
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1615.8, vol: 17614.37403308 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1596.0, vol: 8693.63804 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1688.9, vol: 16614.88335759 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1285.825448, vol: 8410.80110000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1624.692, vol: 9011.88418159 | Volume-weighted last average: 1588.41103976
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re: black genocide, Soldiers of Aztlan have captured *COMPTON*, KKKalifornia from the blacks. The same Compton of "Straight out of Compton" fame.
phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots" ☟︎☟︎
phf`: *think
asciilifeform: in other noose, latest fg orders shipped.
BingoBoingo: !~google compton black genocide
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Attack on family in Compton latest incident in wave of anti- black ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/25/local/la-me-0126-compton-20130126>; ' Compton : A Soundtrack,' and Dr. Dre's L.A. legacy - LA Times: <http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-ca-ms-sasha-frere-jones-straight-outta-compton-la-rap-20150816-story.html>; Demographic shift: Compton's new Latino majority | Al Jazeera ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653582 << speaking of, e.g., sending children to a white school costing $mil or moar, etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
BingoBoingo: ^ phf, no literal systemic eradication
phf`: i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf`: this'd likewise describe ~all of 'white' world at this point.
asciilifeform: no culture to sit on.
asciilifeform: just mcculture instead.
asciilifeform: in orlol's words, 'human-lite' ☟︎
phf`: i dunno, i'm not convinced of that. orlol's target audience are cultural honkies, people who otherwise would be wiggers or otaku or "i'm irish, 5 generations ago". yes, those people don't have any culture, but it's chiefly american problem. i'm not convinced it extends to the rest of the world that well
asciilifeform: if there's a mcshitfood in the place, it extends.
asciilifeform: only a question of time.
phf`: when i was growing up, mcdonalds was a place where you go to get a milkshake before going out. nobody ever thought about it as food, because people cooked at home and still do. i noticed this in paris this time, how similar mcdonalds is, that it's not food and not treated as such. it's a place where you go to experience american. if there was going to be qualitative jump where bulk of population considers mcdonalds primary source of nutrients, i suspe
phf`: ct it would've happened already ☟︎
asciilifeform: fr, it turned out, was to be eaten by halifate, not usa.
asciilifeform: i have nfi presently what their mcdonalds looks like.
asciilifeform: as for 'experience american', there are all kinds of insane folx, there are even people who go to chernobyl to experience .
asciilifeform: i for one have nfi why anybody at this point would want to 'experience american', rather than run as fast as his legs would carry him, in opposite direction. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the point is Working White America likes the idea of wall, Black America NEEDS wall
diana_coman: asciilifeform, some people are barely catching up with x years ago for any value of x really; some go to 'experience Inca' or whatever
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://d1jn4vzj53eli5.cloudfront.net/mc/2017_05/bok-swamp.jpg
asciilifeform: in yet-other, lulzier-yet lulz, https://archive.is/wRzSJ >> 'Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager whose shooting death by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in 2012 prompted a national debate over racial profiling and civil rights, will be awarded a posthumous university degree in aeronautical science that reflects the 17-year-old’s dream of becoming a pilot before he was killed.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
phf`: asciilifeform: some people are so far removed from american experience, they will order coca cola with their croissant and feel international for speaking english with you
phf`: ahaha
asciilifeform: source of lulz -- http://dyspepsiageneration.com << somebody invite him over ?
asciilifeform: in other hilaribad, http://urbit.org/fora/posts/~2017.2.10..07.20.41..fdda~/
asciilifeform: 'There is a revision system out in the wild called v. It defines source code, or other data under version control, as a function of patches and their authorship, as sealed. Being a product of the Most Serene Republic, it is Spartan, manual, and instructive to Urbit's aspirations.'
ben_vulpes: lol, instructive to urbit's aspirations indeed
ben_vulpes: what are those again? being the wholly-owned sillycon valley bitcoin/namespace table? ☟︎
asciilifeform: nfi!!
asciilifeform: i'd imagine at this point some 'reality setting in' and scaling down of appetites -- but what would i know.
ben_vulpes: fuckin hilarious, "urbit's aspirations", surely you mean yarvin et al's aspirations
ben_vulpes: cute attempt to assign agency to a collective though
phf`: i think, but i might be wrong, it's this guy https://github.com/mnemnion who posted above
asciilifeform: in other lulzies from my www log, http://www.vaikan.com/man-vs-machine << cn fans.
ben_vulpes: schmaltzman can't even get the name right
asciilifeform: 'And cc-release is our first release really designed so that neither your ship, nor the whole network, can actually sink. The Urbit network had zero unplanned, and one planned, breach (network flag day) in 2H 2016. The last planned breach, the cc-release update, is planned for 1H 2017.'
asciilifeform: ( from the man himself -- https://urbit.org/blog/2017.1-update/ . guess what, actual testable promise... )
asciilifeform: 'With the infrastructure converging, we can finally think seriously about the user experience of Urbit. What we're imagining is a small-scale social network and command-line API aggregator. It's just screenshots right now, but we're confident that we can build it and make it work. System software is boring (at least when done right). So let's start with the user experience.'
asciilifeform: 'Galen Wolfe-Pauly is Tlon's CEO and Urbit's interaction designer. Galen went to architecture school. He talks like it'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
asciilifeform: 'If you're a "US person" and win a medal, bear in mind that we have to 1099 you for the assumed value of these goods (at the last crowdsale price, ie, $205 per star).' << ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: massive lulzmine, complete with -- yes,i shit thee not -- 'rust'
asciilifeform: ( if it wasn't 'rusty' before, apparently is nao!!! )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/rogue-doj-continues-obama-era-persecution-of-farmer-for-crime-of-tillage/ << Qntra - Rogue DOJ Continues Obama Era Persecution Of Farmer For Crime Of Tillage
ben_vulpes: dang, urbit went straight to the browser ☟︎
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-4-sam-and-pam-were-separated/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 4 - Sam and Pam were separated ☟︎
BingoBoingo: OMG more like Petrus Rico!
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/XsgTu << in other petruses. ☟︎
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/08/the-noob-investors-temptation/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The noob investor’s temptation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653582 "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group : causing serious mental harm to members ; deliberately influencing the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction ; forcibly transferring children from the group to another group". standard un definition. entirely fits. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 20:59 phf`: i thin genocide in this case is not the literal lynching, but rather the systematic removal of agency under the guise of help and support, aka "useful idiots"
mircea_popescu: it is literal genocide, however that may fit or not fit unexamined notions of mass slaughter = genocide. the fact that "african americans" are a sad desert where ella and louis used to walk is good enough.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, physical extermination is rather likely on the way also, anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653590 << quite. their situation is complicated by the fact that pre-oral "culture". you don't build much of an identitarian resistance along 12 yo values, a love for colorful skirts and dancing. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:09 phf`: i think that traditionally would be called pogrom, rather than genocide. problem is that unlike jews, coptics, parsi, etc. american blacks don't have a culture to fallback to, and their persecution narrative is artificially constructed, so they just fall back. there's not going to be a tzadik in projects, unmovable, because torah told him to suffer
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653594 << the problem with this theory is that culture is reposited in the elite in all cases. the arab world at the time it was saving the classics from the idiot hordes of europchristians ALSO mostly made of arablite by mass. if i pile up a bunch of coal over your heirloom diamonds can i thereby convince you to throw out "all this pointless carbon" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:10 asciilifeform: in orlol's words, 'human-lite'
mircea_popescu: there's this automatic "judge human mass by the mass" mental process, visible here, visible when new guy was going "oh, capitalism will end because most people are spurious", as fucking if.