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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721450 << lol.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 19:20 apeloyee: we had that thread today!!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure that's BingoBoingo o no wait, was it cazalla's good friend ?
mircea_popescu: the guy with the slutty wife.
asciilifeform: waiwat who
mircea_popescu: homero garza
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: ran a fake miner farm scam fore a while in iirc 2013
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721519 << ahaha☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 19:50 apeloyee: on what planet gcd(a,b)<>gcd(b,a).
mircea_popescu: alf is obv lefthanded, has http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-20#1716151 problems with commutativity.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 19:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lookx to me like your addition dun commute ( or associate... )
mircea_popescu enjoyed reading convo, evidently enough.
asciilifeform currently making an efficient seekritshift, it is somewhat tricky
asciilifeform: incidentally ( and luckily for asciilifeform ) asciilifeform is not left-handed : left-handers were savagely beaten on asciilifeform's home world
mircea_popescu: at age 4 ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: tsk
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 19:55 BingoBoingo: ethnic enclaves, they never fail to put on a smile and admire everything Asian. Without the Asian industriousness and food, the Westerners will just be cave people just like their cave-dwelling ancestors not too long ago. One has to wonder why didn’t the Mongol overlords finish colonizing these Westerners and turned them into proper Asians. In the near future, the Chinese will just do that because the spineless lazy Westerners have gr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it this custom was not alive in classical ro ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. they even tolerated left hand writing, to some degree.
asciilifeform genuinely surprised
mircea_popescu: bear in mind tho that i come from the civilised third of romania.
asciilifeform: vlad's dukedom iirc ?
mircea_popescu: no, vlad was voievode of the south, actually. this'd be the northwest.
asciilifeform: oh hm.
mircea_popescu: at the time, right and proper austrian lands.
mircea_popescu: whereas most stories of romanian independenciality tend to come from 3rd 3rth, the north east.
mircea_popescu: stephen and such.
asciilifeform: interesting combo, boys fighting over meat in soup, but left-handing -- tolerated
mircea_popescu: which soup is this ?
asciilifeform: hm could've sworn it was in l0gz
asciilifeform: alluded to in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615576 but iirc was in a trilema piece☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
asciilifeform: where girls in mircea_popescu's school would beg him for meat or how did it go
asciilifeform: did i dream this?
mircea_popescu: boys fought for the proper cut of bread (ie, the end bit, for some reason, was the only proper bit). but the last time communal eating was common was just about kindergarten
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, yeah, but teh story was subtly different.
mircea_popescu: such as -- 4yos ; girls not boys ; mostly me being an uppity snot. that sorta thing.
asciilifeform: this piece was memorable, because at no point was meat any kind of luxury for asciilifeform & co.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all common man could have for the asking wo9uld be dog food parts, lower chicken legs, necks, that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: this, throughout 80s.
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: romania had a plan!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/nateeee/ << Trilema - Nateeee
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/wskHt
asciilifeform: d00d evidently did his homework.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform pretty sure that's BingoBoingo o no wait, was it cazalla's good friend ? << He was the cheif jizz mopper cazalla and self cut teeth on
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ran a fake miner farm scam fore a while in iirc 2013 << Perhaps something that early but mostly 2014 thing. Complete collapse happened between Xmas and New Years
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721569 << random response to whiny barangs☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 00:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721529 << ahahaha what is this bs, some other nobility elliot ?
BingoBoingo: In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "‘Fetal remains’ found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's a barang ?
BingoBoingo: Foreigner, in a language which apparently features a high degree of mutual intelligibility in its region
asciilifeform: aaah gaijin
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/alDC3/?raw=true
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the plastic titty farm, http://78.media.tumblr.com/026b682e39e8d861144fc10671cf5777/tumblr_nqmymnrUUT1tzf701o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721597 << that url read "weak shit" to my first pass parser.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 02:42 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://archive.is/wskHt
mircea_popescu: in other news, HOLY SHIT has vegas gone down. seriously, that's how the rug and curtains of a "multi-millionaire"'s suite look like, in 2017 ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721603 << i guess it's good the "custodian" paid close attention.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 02:53 BingoBoingo: In other 12 hour sagas "The remains of a possible fetus were discovered by a custodian Wednesday in the bathroom of Wirth-Parks Middle School in Cahokia. The coroner arrived at the scene shortly after 8:30 p.m. and carried a small, covered box into the school." << "‘Fetal remains’ found in school bathroom actually a used feminine hygiene pad"
mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
mircea_popescu: custodian-american sure as fuck has a certain ring to it, huh.
mircea_popescu: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/imagebuzz/web04/2011/3/14/22/obama-fist-bumps-a-white-house-custodian-29908-1300156824-111.jpg << "and in this historical shoot, historical hussein bahamas engages in mate dance specific to his tribe with wild american-custodian provided by the event organizers."
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu I can see that: "In them we Trust"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
Framedragger: my sincere apologies for my AWOL.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721122 << trinque is correct, partly what happened. got busy, did not announce.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 16:33 trinque: if folks are ashamed of not having time for the republic, there's more shame in being unable to say so.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << fwiw `/msg scriba help sexpr` (and json) works, but iirc cuts off line, so need to fix the cutoff. and obvs fix all the other by now accumulated stuff.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
Framedragger back later/tomorrow
diana_coman: wb Framedragger
Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
Framedragger will probably link to the cached http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctor-stats/
Framedragger: i assume that asciilifeform's recent ping was in connection to my attempt to update the cached stats - he saw the http request for one of the large pages on dulap when it was still alive
diana_coman: Framedragger, I think there was some ping re the customs duty for fg when you were in the UK too
Framedragger: ah there was that, too. will go thru backlog. still interested in some particular detail diana_coman?
diana_coman: since I recently got similar notice to pay and I was trying to see if you had some post somewhere to link to
diana_coman: I think the only sort of unclear thing is why the difference (mine was a bit higher) but it's probably correlated to value of package I suppose or something
Framedragger: nah nothing like that, only those irc lines you saw.
Framedragger: yeah i think they have a minimum VAT fee + royal mail fee, and then the VAT increases after some threshold of declared value or somesuch. or, increased fees / inflation...
diana_coman: anyways re state of isp affairs I don't see it getting any better by itself
Framedragger: yes but someone committing to the project without having the necessary time is not far away from malice, imho
diana_coman: well, one can't commit what one doesn't have, sure
mod6: mmornin'
mircea_popescu: heya mod6
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721620 << o hey.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 11:40 Framedragger: hello! reporting alive status. went for extended travels through portugal and the likes, moved into apartment in homeland, managing whole new (to me) world of poly relationships, and other fun stuff.
diana_coman: hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm)
asciilifeform: wb Framedragger !
mod6: diana_coman: awesome, thanks for standing that up! let us know how it goes.
asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721628 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721130☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 11:55 Framedragger: ty diana_coman. sad to see the state of tmsr isp affairs. i suppose it was kind of always like this, the state simply got.. actualised, so to speak. still, am planning on giving small talk on ssh scan to hackerspace people, wanted to link to phuctor, now - can't. :(
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 16:42 asciilifeform: i refreshed archive.is of all the major pages 2-3 day before dulap went
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
diana_coman: mod6, np; and will do
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721644 << what is 'vanilla trb' ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 13:55 diana_coman: hi mod6, I've set up a public node running vanilla trb, at 103.36.92.112; it's still getting up to date so probably not of much use yet but it's meant to stay as it is anyway (it's at ~260k atm)
asciilifeform: i.e. latest v(mod6)? ...or something else
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no experimental changes/patches or anything, straight the build from http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
asciilifeform: ./v.pl p v trb54 makefiles.vpatch <<< is the answer
asciilifeform: it's v('makefiles')
asciilifeform suggests this, or equivalent, terminology. using v - be specific plox re what you pressed, makes it possible to reason meaningfully re eggogs later
diana_coman: asciilifeform, makes sense, noted
mircea_popescu: "Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2977 / 19
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2977 / 19 = 156.68421052631578
mircea_popescu: !~calc 156.68421052631578 / 58
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 156.68421052631578 / 58 = 2.701451905626134
mircea_popescu: see, this is why no MAGA : us has been losing jobs to the east, where per-capita productivity is 170% higher.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 6000 / 19
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 6000 / 19 = 315.7894736842105
asciilifeform: what's all these ?
mircea_popescu: vs 527 injured, so check it out, maybe there's some merit to that "5.56 wound round" theory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform comparison of net results per capita of wtc bombing and lv shooting.
asciilifeform: aaa
mircea_popescu: dood had 37% the kill efficiency and 167% the wound efficiency of the wtc folks.
asciilifeform: this counting what? just cartridges ? or with hotel bill ? his lunch ?
mircea_popescu: heads.
asciilifeform: cost, i mean
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, either are many degrees of magnitude more valuable than any us citizen ever deployed in an armed conflict.
mircea_popescu: teh russian ww2 snipers sorta come close, but not rly.
asciilifeform: finland alltime recordsman iirc.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: sniper can only dream of the 'packed train' target tho.
mircea_popescu: true.
mircea_popescu: goes right back to yest's atomic/city discussion.
asciilifeform: recalls a funny incident in early 2000s when some d00d actually went around sniping in washington . locals went apeshit, you could see people on streets walk in zigzags, children kept at home, etc
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: john malvo & john muhammad
mircea_popescu: wtf is a zigzag gonna do to a scope.
asciilifeform: 'don't run from sniper, you'll just die tired' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: exact equivalent of that "russian geologist bad hunter" joke
mircea_popescu: anyway, consider asciilifeform : dood starts firing at 10pm, swat makes it in (as a "jumble", even) at 11:20.
mircea_popescu: this is about as long room service takes in the god forsaken shithole.
asciilifeform: folx queuing up again, supposedly, to buy the littleblackrifle
asciilifeform: ( the one of http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-08#372732 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2013-11-08 05:01 asciilifeform: "the little black rifle" which is useless to our cause!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721660 << in ru sphere 'принял ислам' often is used in meaning 'darwined himself'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 14:25 mircea_popescu: "Although ISIS have repeatedly attempted to claim credit for the shooting, saying Paddock had recently converted to Islam, both his brother and authorities have dismissed the claims. He had 'no religious affiliation, no political affiliation,' Eric said, adding: 'He just hung out.'" << good soviet!
asciilifeform: ( sometimes generically in sense of 'finally went to meet allah' )
shinohai: Those 72 virgins ain't gonna fuck themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the amusing bit to my ear was the implicit "only good citizen is citizen who isn't doing anything"
mircea_popescu: we're supposed to think he's respectable because he was purportedly inactive in EXACTLY the same manner we'd have been supposed to think him respectable for being active, in the same place a century prior.
lobbesbot: !!up lobbes
deedbot: lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721301 << My bot's not following spec either. I'll be tinkering with it this weekend anyway so I'll add this to my list of tinkerings☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 18:20 mircea_popescu: ok so results of audit : Framedragger, shinohai, phf : your bot has no help implemented whatsoever, in spite of spec. trinque Framedragger you don't follow the json/sexpr portion, bot simply puts out the same help.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-september-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: lobbes cool
mircea_popescu: speaking of ^ asciilifeform , how's the isp thing going ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes turns out i named Framedragger twice, but the first instance was supposed to be you lol/
mircea_popescu: http://www.nacion.com/sucesos/desastres/deslizamiento-Miramar-puntarenense-Montes-Oro_LNCIMA20171005_0090_1.jpg << in other chocolate bites.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did we ever publicly proclaim the details ?
asciilifeform assumed it was being saved for the broadcast
mircea_popescu: certainly not so far.
asciilifeform: oh hey there it is
asciilifeform reads...
asciilifeform: soooo since mircea_popescu already broke the radio silence, i will put on record :
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prepared a quantity of servers, each approx. similar to spec of dulap-II ; these will be colocated, under the banner of s.nsa, and a certain number leased to folx in l1 .
trinque: specs? rate?
trinque: ah I'm sorry, "each"
trinque: so then just rate?
asciilifeform: trinque: not proclaimed yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but specifically re the colocation part ?
asciilifeform: re colocation, i have 1 positive answer from india; 0 from ru ( apparently ru folx are decent XOR likedoingbusinesswithforeign ? )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform continues to write letters, most without answer.
mircea_popescu: heh. the errybody wants to not-do anything extends to dcs, does it.
mircea_popescu: iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns.
trinque: will there be additional space in the rack to rent, or must rent a machine?
trinque has an xserve g5 collecting dust
asciilifeform: trinque: the iron, as probably surprises no one, is the easy part.
mircea_popescu: trinque i expect parking your own will be available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you talk to teh russkis in russian neh ? what foreigner ?
asciilifeform: in ru of course. but i don't have a phone or post box in ru.
asciilifeform: seems as if it is deal killer, given that i wrote to dozen and 0 answered.
mircea_popescu: all these vast empires of grandiose technological achievements which upon examination fail to actually exist in any meaningful sense.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in abstract geometries and other non-eluciderean spaces, http://68.media.tumblr.com/779edccbb52931b59bf7be8ce9cf0af2/tumblr_nrbao7rYPY1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: they exist, if exist at all, orc-style, 'for me and mine', not for whoever devils.
asciilifeform: holy fuq is that an arse or a torso
mircea_popescu: "and why did you bury this car halfway in the mud, mr X ?" "well, gotta produce cars for our own consumption, postmodern free trade world. what can you do."
trinque: if you pinch the nipples, do they go back to normal size?
asciilifeform: trinque: if you bring a pin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ass dun have nubbins.
asciilifeform: it could if diseased correctly.
mircea_popescu: in any case, these aren't even that huge.
mircea_popescu: the chick's just too tinyfor them is all.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu is not even kidding. ~1.1 liters or so. with ~1 liter being the low-average, in the sense of "average computed after excluding the outlying 10%"
asciilifeform: back to thread upstack : parking a 1U in india runs avg. 1-3hundy u.s. , depending on amperage and bandwidth curve.
asciilifeform: if purchased by whole vertical rack -- about 1/2-2/3 of this.
mircea_popescu: yearly ?
asciilifeform: monthly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really don't see point of buying less than 1 rack.
mircea_popescu: and why not get for year.
asciilifeform: eggs/basket
mircea_popescu: eh, get out. that's the egg size.
asciilifeform: ideally strength is in having 25 locations, not massive room in one ?
mircea_popescu: you know the above ru may well be a case of "we don't deal with weirdos trying to get 1u for 1mo"
asciilifeform: entirely possible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 25 locations, 25 racks.
asciilifeform: do we have 25 racks worth of biznis lined up ?
mircea_popescu: to quote the celebrated mr wolf, "get out of the sticks, boys."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind that. many worse ways to waste money ; not many better.
asciilifeform: aite, i'ma then switch to asking for rack/yr.
mircea_popescu: re-do ru like that!
asciilifeform: ru & the rest.
asciilifeform: !~seen phf
jhvh1: asciilifeform: phf was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <phf> asciilifeform: that i figured out, the whole contraption reminds me of that ru anti-temper device pdf that you posted recently
asciilifeform: iirc he had a lead also.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ye olde 1990s 'communications decency act' is back: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1693
asciilifeform: guts the commoncarrier provision of clinton era
asciilifeform: ( i.e. mandates full time stable of censors at whatever isp , and whatever slips through, isp still liable )
ben_vulpes: heh yeah the sex trafficking thing
ben_vulpes: "foar teh children!"
asciilifeform: !!up phf
deedbot: phf voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: i've talked to a handful of 1 hop from mmtsm9 collocation facilities in moscows, and they can do 1u or rack. i also have a trusted non-wot who can oversee or handle the installation. if we're doing a rack, and "worse ways to waste money" me can try and go straight for mmtsm9 (which is rostelekom's main internet relay, i.e. local web providers, like telcos etc put their equipment there)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: phf: get quote for the rack.
phf: i've not had time to get a corporation going this time around (mostly i need to figure out what the tax structure is going to be), but i'll be going back in a couple of months.
phf: i have someone who can handle these requests on my behalf though, for legitimacy
asciilifeform: neato phf .
phf: i've catching up with the going ons in d.c. since i came back, so have a bit of low bandwidth at the moment. should free up in a week or so
asciilifeform: phf: there are goings-on in dc ?!
asciilifeform: or you mean phf's saecular matters.
phf: yes, it's called life :)
asciilifeform: aa.
phf: there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
mircea_popescu: phf so concrete figures here ?
mircea_popescu: on the home front : we clearly need a box for phuctor, i will also want a box for eulora ; there's also need for a third box for general purpose bitcoining/qntra/etc. that's three, plus whatever anyone else wants to add. iirc we also got 3 box servers ready to fly out.
mircea_popescu: there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 18:42 mircea_popescu: is this something the foundation may maybe consider ? open us an embassy in beijing, hire a chick to sit there 4 hours/day or such ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721786 << this, fwiw, isn't even the giveaway it used to be. i personally supervised the release of piles upon piles of posters in us university campuses, for a very modicum costs. people off fiver just print what you give them, and put it up. nothing keeps you from having them print something decent, and with the abundance of "kids who fucked around with adobe illustrator instead of doing t☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 18:10 phf: there's curiously a lot of protests in d.c., with very well designed posters: artistic variations on the clenched fist, nice typefaces, the works.
mircea_popescu: heir job" these days...
mircea_popescu: every nonprofit has one, including nonprofits that don't actually exist.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/five-bucks-for-great-justice/ << example.
mircea_popescu: !!up phf`
deedbot: phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
phf`: not home, and i also didn't have time to process the information in detail yet, but i piped in since there was conversation. depends on what we want, baseline avg 3000 rub/mo $50 to put a 1u rack, with a 100mbit line, 300W. line is typically not metered, but also not guaranteed. then depends on our needs, an unmetered guaranteed 100 mbit line will cost another ~~$100 mo (to 1gbit around ~$500), plus whatever over cap on power usage.
mircea_popescu: and if getting a whole 4/16/36/42 ? lockable sets ?
mircea_popescu: and if paid by year/quarter ?
asciilifeform: phf`: my boxes need ~700W ea. ( and have 2 redundant ps, so 2 wires, any 1 of each may draw 700 )
mircea_popescu: and rubles, fine. but usd wires also ? bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 700W rackable boxes ?
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: 300-350 is where teh standard is, what are these.
asciilifeform: opterons!
mircea_popescu: 2Us.
asciilifeform: 1u.
asciilifeform: they're here.
mircea_popescu: they're not 1u if they draw 2u power yo.
asciilifeform: they're 1u.
mircea_popescu: and lo how quick a rack doth fill.
asciilifeform: the ruler doesn't lie.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not at 700w wtf already.
mircea_popescu: size is only part of this discussion.
asciilifeform: argue with the ampermeter, mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: size is 1u.
asciilifeform: 44.5 mm .
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is why you get rack : so you can specify something like 14.4KW and 24 Gbit link and then sort it inside.
asciilifeform: right.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it quickly devolves into hopeless.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721789 << gears grinding. i don't know anyone in beijing, but i've got a line on some folks in chengdu for translation services and building lists of eg datacenters☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 18:18 mircea_popescu: there's seemingly a lot of distance from this to 42u, but once the chinese woman tbf is hiring (is it ? mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? what's incremental from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1688633 discussion ?) starts hitting the hosting forums with offers...
phf`: mircea_popescu: i'll look into it. it would be helpful to know how many Us we'll be putting upfront, but i'll look at a rack. also i've no idea what kind of traffic requirements something like eulora or phuctor have.
phf`: i've no idea about bitcoins or dollars, since i have facilities to pay necessary amounts in roubles.
mircea_popescu: ah you can just handle rouble ? send you 10btc, you send out w/e 2.5mn rou or w./e it is ?
phf`: there's a bitcoin craze in russia right now (i.e. talk shows on t.v. discussing bitcoin as investment platform. dorky former FIDO node administrators talking about bitcoin mining on a rig in their apartments, etc.) so i wouldn't be surprised if i can find a colo that takes bitcoins. i haven't noticed one yet though
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes gears grinding for 10 weeks!
ben_vulpes: i know, i know.
asciilifeform: the alarm rang on sep 14 iirc
mircea_popescu: phf` i don't specifically care what they take ; but whatever it is they take, we'll have to figure out a process.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "hire chinese chick in china" thing's been ongoing discussion.
ben_vulpes: moving, and an afk crisis in my life are eating my time.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i recall mod6 sending me a proposed draft for something at some point, but also weeks ago.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform will be , if plan worx, equipped to usd/rubleize/etc btc in necessary qties, before november
mircea_popescu: phf` so the question is very specifically, what do they take, and how do we sort it out ; it's in no case a "let's filter out whoever doesn't take bitcoins"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's good. also want more than 1 of these.
asciilifeform: absolutely, otherwise asteroid will fall on asciilifeform much faster than expected
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: phf` anyway, we're getting, imo, the smallest lockable, stand-alone item. whichever that is. in no case less than 4u, except really, we much prefer to discuss by the kw and gb, as seen in the convo earlier.
ben_vulpes: i wrote a "hey tmsr, what would you use a cn embassy for" draft, which you saw, but since then i opened a line of conversation with a meatwot gentleman on the ground in cn who's working with me on finding dcs in chengdu and beijing in which i can lease a rack. "embassy chick" not at the forefront of these discussions because republican state of emergency.
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: translator also part of the deal.
mircea_popescu: so woting not part of deal ?
ben_vulpes: someone will hafta.
mircea_popescu: so tell gentleman to make himself an account neh ? easier to comm here than via email or w/e anyway.
ben_vulpes: more important to me to get the locals into the wot, but i hear you
phf`: mircea_popescu: right, i figured paying is not going to be a problem, either directly with btc or in the format that you've described. finding a reliable colo, getting a number down. unfortunately i don't have a good feel for russian colo space yet, and people i talked to while happy with their colos didn't necessarily have tmsr demands.
mircea_popescu: the more of a chain is wot-illuminated, the better link control.
mircea_popescu: phf` well, on the other hand we gotta start somewhere. it's an adventure!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> iirc BingoBoingo was pounding the arabs/sw azns. << For some definitions of pounding, perhaps other definitions later
mircea_popescu: anyone inclined to go "oh i'd have done a much better job" after any particular doing is going to find himself buried under a thick wall of "why the fuck didn't you DO IT then!".
mircea_popescu: and i'm thinking of eventualk jdws here specifically.
phf`: mircea_popescu: right, that would be the correct spirit :)
mircea_popescu: ie http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-03#1720052☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-03 03:44 mircea_popescu: fwiw, jdw = jeff wheelhouse = https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2353366181/bq71cdufsrasc0sqxk8k_400x400.png
ben_vulpes: !!up phf`
deedbot: phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
phf`: the place to be is of course http://www.mmts9.ru they do have 1/2 rack but i haven't tried them, since wasn't sure about our requirements. they can even get you a personal cage. antenna placement on the rooftop so we can put a microwave relay, the works :p
mircea_popescu: eh, fuck the works. lemme quote from minigame boardroom : <dc> aia, am crezut ca na, ai ramas si fara net de la vanturi alea
mircea_popescu: <mp> pai am si ramas. adica : cind bate vint au problema cablurile, cind is nori incarcati are problema radio si cind is densi are problema satelitye uplink. intre cele trei m-o tot chitait doua zile de am cedat nervos si m-am dus sa ma culc ieri
mircea_popescu: ie, approximately, "wind hurts cables, charged clouds block radio, thick clouds block satellite, fuck it all."
mircea_popescu: i definitely want the dc to provide the uplink with w/e guarantee they can manage. i get it, outside of nato 99.999% isn't so common, but whatever they got.
phf`: well, in this case this is equivalent of sitting on the outside pipeline. everything else is a hop away, though the guys i was talking to sit on various short fibers from the facility
mircea_popescu: aha. that's how it's done.
mircea_popescu: or rather, that's why normal people don't pick a hill in the midle of the jungle to plop down servers on.
phf`: are the servers sitting at vendors ready to ship to a destination, also is it going to go proper shipping container or through a consumer service? latter doesn't work reliably in russia and is generally discouraged
mircea_popescu: afaik fedex has 100% of server delivery market.
mircea_popescu: anyway, at least 3 are waiting.
mircea_popescu: how do these people normally deliver their parts ?
asciilifeform: servers are a wk or so from ready-to-recrate ( burn-in testing, gentooization ) and will be shipped via whatever carrier phf` comes up with
asciilifeform: initially -- 3.
phf`: kk
phf`: i'll have to look into it, if they were sitting on my porch, i'd send them by freight. i think dhl/fedex have suspended services to russia, to individuals though, i'm not sure what's the deal with corporate.
mircea_popescu: ahaha really ?
mircea_popescu: so what, russia has no business courier service now ?
mircea_popescu: dhl ? what ?
mircea_popescu: rossex ?
phf`: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dhl-russia/dhl-fedex-suspend-shipments-to-russian-customers-idUSBREA0M1JX20140123
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: so basically russia argentinized itself, or what is it.
asciilifeform: looks like circa 2014 . still current ?
phf`: i suspect there's postal offices, "yandex package" and also some kind of baygun delivery service that can overnight from a chinese factory
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine the country actually works without some kind of such service though. i mean really, how do yo uget a wrench, walk to factory ?
phf`: asciilifeform: i can't find any news updates, last i heard from people is that fedhl packages go, but spend weeks to months in customs, for "inspection"
asciilifeform: sounds like the only us-ru courier is now suitcase.
mircea_popescu: which brings to the fore the q "do we even wanna deal with russia".
asciilifeform: pretty stiff membrane, but i thought that was ~entire appeal
asciilifeform: poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit
mircea_popescu: well, they've gotta be able to receive the machines.
mircea_popescu: this part's not negotiable. how else would it work ?
asciilifeform: and also spare hds.
mircea_popescu: if it's "two weeks to find out if you have to wait two weeks more or not" is how everything is done, utterly not worth bothering with.
mircea_popescu: and their historical hallucinations of sovereignity etc do promise a lot of idiocy in that vein.
asciilifeform: if they let in suitcase, problem is solvable
mircea_popescu: what, and fly every time a computer needs a new buttplug ?
mircea_popescu: no computer is, ever was, or ever could be worth this much love.
asciilifeform: 3-5 yrs is normal life for a box
mircea_popescu: it's a ddos vector dood. i'm not paying to get a rack so that enemy has a method to burn my engineer work hours. wtf.
phf`: well, we're speculating right now, i just know that it's something to think about. this dhl/fedex restriction is for individuals. perhaps business shipments fall under different rules.
mircea_popescu: phf` i am speculating. but there must be a way to get machiens there for it to work.
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, sure, if they have their own state courier they're trying to prop up in this way, more power to them, we'll use it.
mircea_popescu: but there is a huge difference between intelligent sovereignity and soviet idiocy.
phf`: mircea_popescu: that's understandable. but also we're and what we're shipping. e.g. hard drives can be purchased and replaced on the ground. it's a colo, ~someone~ will have to do a replacement and it's necessarily not going to be the facility
phf`: *not necessarily
mircea_popescu: phf` except we ship boxes, as i understood the design, not for them to stick hands in our parts.
phf`: so we're explicitly shipping boxes from asciilifeform's home lab to a colo?
asciilifeform: phf`: initially yes.
phf`: it seems that whatever space that's going to satisfy our needs is also going to make it non-trivial to exchange items with ~washington dc~
mircea_popescu: unless we have a ~trusted~ engineer on the actual ground there, we will be shipping from wherever it is convenient to ship. but items originate with us, not with randos.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it's wash dc specifically, or alf specifically.
asciilifeform: phf`: we install , for instance, FG. ain't nobody else who will do it.
mircea_popescu: but it is VERY specifically NOT "oh, whoever anon herp"
phf`: mircea_popescu: that was never under consideration.
mircea_popescu: but yes, sure, my ideal world would be for you to live there and assemble them yourself, and go to colo and install self, and document whole thing on your blog.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, this "your raid needs new hdds hurr" thing is not flying. i don't need to "hire" a "colo" for them to re-do the whole cherryservers bs for me, now do i.
mircea_popescu: !!up phf`
deedbot: phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: if i wanted that i could have it for the same coupla hundy or w/e. heck, apparently they'd even do it for free if we don't make fun of them for it.
phf`: i've no idea where that straw man came from. shipping things from u.s. to russia is tricky, but everything else is inherent in the problem. a ~colo~ in russia only makes sense if i also can somehow facilitate trusted upkeep. whether or not we can overnight a hard drive isn't going to make a difference in that case
mircea_popescu: so in this sense : an unmanned operation behind a maybe-porous wall is not in any sense useful.
mircea_popescu: phf` well, strawman came from trying to discuss a rather unconstrained by actual data universe of possibilities.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect overnighting is the point. what's the point is that there's little difference between a colo you email to and run of the mill "dedicated servers" hosting.
phf`: i suspect that with proper infra we can overnight whatever we want. but a proper infra in this case might just be a corporation in russia, a corporation in u.s., a business account with fedhl, etc.
mircea_popescu: trusted upkeep means things, very specifically.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poorly porous to us, but theoretically even moar so to pantsuit << Appeal of jungle is non-interference in white man's affairs. Downside is shifting past marketing speak to discover "1GBP/s unmetered (30Mb/s international)"
mircea_popescu: phf` that wouldn't be a problem in principle. just has to be done.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol because i totally need 1gbps to talk to the rest of the pinoys or w/e"
phf`: mircea_popescu: if you're implying that my plan for colo was to ~hire~ people ~from~ colocation facility to do a sensitive operation like hard drive replacement, then i can't even! :)
mircea_popescu: phf` im not implying anything, and certainly not about you!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, that one was Vietcong
mircea_popescu: i think they eat up almost a gb of trilema
mircea_popescu: per month tho. not per second.
phf`: right, so this kind of logistics need to be figured out. which also explains why you started talking about hosting 3 years ago..
mircea_popescu: heh. lemme show you something.
BingoBoingo: Checks one box, opaque to pantsuit. Fails on its soviet style USSA idiocy.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/primul-ipo-si-alte-consideratii/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if there existed a sane crowned head we would probably never have this thread to begin with
mircea_popescu: april 2012, that's... well...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which is why we may end up with 25 racks per lord and half the lords running ISPs
mircea_popescu: hopefully Framedragger is polyamorying with female sysadmins.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the projects, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b6293de5953f1604865fbe4a78517c72/tumblr_nq3c9lXYJe1r2sy0fo1_540.gif
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "for the end user, ux is not a part of your product -- ux IS THE PRODUCT!!" lulz, https://thehackernews.com/2017/10/macos-high-sierra-apfs-password.html
BingoBoingo: In other ???, Heather Heyer, the fat Charlottesville "victim" apparently died of a heart attack and not Dodge Challenger induced injuries http://www.vdare.com/articles/anarcho-tyranny-update-mounting-proof-that-the-charlottesville-five-are-political-prisoners
mircea_popescu: aaand today in "just give me the justices" social-thing news, https://www.fundedjustice.com/a1Hvve
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "coronary was BECAUSE SHE WAS FAT, and NOT because she was an excited fat person someone drove a car into" ?
BingoBoingo: If morbidly obese and has coronary while excited, cause of excitement is not material. Could have just as well been seeing a pallet of "Count Chocula" "breakfast cereal" causing terminal excitement.
BingoBoingo: Allowing a tort against the car with such a massive and sclerotic mitigating circumstance is insanity.
mircea_popescu: well that's hwat tort is.
mircea_popescu: and in other random dribbles : i was going by teh sabana park (huge park here), noticed they had cut down some rainbow eucaliptus trees. so i had car stopped and... got a chunk for the trunk.
BingoBoingo: Sweet
BingoBoingo: Free smellwood
mircea_popescu: it's not that fragrant.
BingoBoingo: Yet! Start making some sawdust!
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: in vehehehehery other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719744 >>> the 16s is now 2s, and with room for obvious 8x speedup further on☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:43 asciilifeform: ( the 16s incidentally is , e.g., 10s, on intel box )
asciilifeform: ( barrett with 8192b barretoids, i.e. 16384bit mult via ordinary symmetric karatsuba with simple brutal slice , rather than apeloyee's shift )
BingoBoingo does not know what other purpose free exotic wood from tree execution could serve other than production of curio or knickknack to celebrate the fortunate happenstance
BingoBoingo: Not like it hasn't already been shaped by tree's executioner
mircea_popescu: i dunno, so far i just got it.
BingoBoingo: Well, keep it somewhere visible and eventually something will strike the fancy.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/LHHTp/?raw=true << mod6 , mircea_popescu, et al .
asciilifeform: ( 8x speedup -- exercise for reader. )
asciilifeform: 2.02sec per 4096b^4096b mod 4096b on the goldstandardopteron.
asciilifeform: that is, modexp.
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: trinque you can replicate this now, just replace your modexp with the one seen here.
asciilifeform: mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results
asciilifeform: ( not to mention did not yet even try to use apeloyee's secret-normalization method : instead we use a completely unshifted dividend , and cut it in the end)
asciilifeform: so right now every 8192b mod 4096b op ( of which 4096b modexp has 4096*2==8192 ) costs 2 8192b*8192b -> 16384 mul's and a few subs. which still beats the living shit out of knuthian div.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
asciilifeform: incidentally ~95% of the work ffa does in modexp, now, is multiplication. which means that there is further 20-25% speedup waiting to be had when i get bernsteinian optimization for karatsuba ( haven't yet figured it out, he buried it deep in a paper , as if he were an alchemist, quite cryptically ) and another 10-20% optimization if we move to unrolled comba ( see august thread. )
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4328.05, vol: 8924.41613709 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4335.3, vol: 27386.14936518 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4229.3316, vol: 0 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4339.0, vol: 3262.05582362 | Volume-weighted last average: 4333.96997918
asciilifeform: let's see who has usable rsatron first, asciilifeform or diana_coman ...
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I thought you were aiming for "what-we-want" rather than merely "usable-for-lack-of-what-we-actually-want"
asciilifeform: me -- yes. but my understanding was that diana_coman needed only rsa.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform makes a general-purpose numbertheoretical item, broader than 'here is modexp' )
asciilifeform: 2s modexp, btw, is a ~10-20min keygen time.
ben_vulpes: hey, notbad
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eulora needs a client-server communication protocol that at least allows client to decide for self the compromise between cost and some degree of confidentiality+integrity for the info it exchanges
asciilifeform: diana_coman: elaborate re 'decide for self' plox
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aka has access to some know to adjust cost vs protection essentially
diana_coman: knob*
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how do you picture this looking in practice ? variable-length keys ?
diana_coman: obv atm nobody can actually give any sort of guarantee anyway so it's more of a model /ideal thing
asciilifeform: sadly, rsa per se dun come with a guarantee.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah, no guarantee, precisely
asciilifeform: all i got is a guarantee that the arithmetic happens as specified, every time, using a number of cycles known in advance.
diana_coman: I get that, yes; it's anyway more than there currently is available otherwise; and not insignificantly more at that
mircea_popescu: in other olds, http://www.b3rn3d.com/blog/2016/08/17/death-to-pgp/
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: 'trying to remain anonymous while using OpenPGP'
mircea_popescu: did we do ? i'd have expected we had but log doth not return
asciilifeform: evidently not
asciilifeform: didjaknow, mircea_popescu , apparently ~that's~ what pgp was for... 'remain anonymous'
asciilifeform: i had nfi!
mircea_popescu: it's conceivable.
asciilifeform: and entirely not for, say, signing your name to something !111!
mircea_popescu: asym key is specifically for this usecase. you--well known publisher ; me -- secret identity with the goods. i can safely send them to you.
asciilifeform: what's that to do with 'anonymouses' tho
asciilifeform: yer trying to not be spoofed, rather than hide under a rock.
mircea_popescu: well, in this scenario i am anon
asciilifeform: and in other scenarios you are in orbit. but that dun mean that pgp is 'for orbit'
mircea_popescu: i may opt to include a pubkey. but i don't have to.
mircea_popescu: yet whole point of "asym key encryption" is -- encrypted comms without prior key exchange. this specifically says "between anon parties"
asciilifeform: ability to eat pgpgrams from randos without drowning will be remembered one day the way we remember today how email once worked.
mircea_popescu: this is likely. but not yet the case.
asciilifeform: troo.
mircea_popescu: i have not yet got spam pgpgram. 0.
asciilifeform: interestingly enough, me neither.
mircea_popescu: and especially as reinforced via wot/trilema voiuce model, i expect this may endure.
shinohai: http://archive.is/TZKW1 <<< in notbtc lulz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact, whole reason i'm even willing to do w/o email is that there exists this alternative thaty's so much better.
asciilifeform: whilesupplieslast.
mircea_popescu: same could be said of you know, meat.
asciilifeform: filtering comms by 'morse is hard' lasts, turns out, not anywhere as long as meat.
mircea_popescu: "In case you did, i hope this will be a lesson to you. Stop trading obscure tokens/coins!" << if THIS is "the lesson", then one wonders wtf is supposed to be the "ethereum value proposition" ?
mircea_popescu: given up on the whole dao nonsense, have they ? why are they still here, why the gun still unfired in their lap, why the brahms not playing ?
asciilifeform: wagner
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform spam filtered by hard is how filtering always works and worked.
asciilifeform: seems imho like 'half-written, bug-ridden imitation of' filterbywot.
mircea_popescu: anyways.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721985 << nah, on the current prototype, variable-reuse otps.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 21:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: how do you picture this looking in practice ? variable-length keys ?
asciilifeform: otp reused once is broken.
asciilifeform: trivially.
asciilifeform bbl: meat
mircea_popescu: hang on, ima actually publish the discussion fragment.
mircea_popescu: was planning to anyway.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: this is the most brutal possible method that can still be called barrett : didn't even make use yet of the fact that we only want the upper halves of the mul results << spent the afternoon looking through your changes posted today vs. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719721☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:30 asciilifeform: trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lHtia/?raw=true << unofficial ffa.ads ; http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MqgKb/?raw=true << ffa.adb
mod6: glad to hear the progress. (im still reviewing barrett in Handbook of Applied Cryptpgraphy 14.3.3 & 14.3.4)
shinohai: http://exnet.narod.ru/USA/medals/Army-Comm-Award-Civ-Serv.jpg <<< For service above and beyond the call of newfaggotry, we award you this triforce.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-boardroom-leaks/ << there.
mircea_popescu: basically the scheme is, you rsa a random bitfield, then you expand that into as much otp as you want by doing recursively Fi = hash(bitfield + Fi-1). there's a limit on i, obviously, which can be set to 1.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the knob.
mircea_popescu: the categorical alternative (literally what gpg does now) fell on the grounds of "at least we don't need aes" ; the obvious "cut R into bits and use each" seems to my eye weaker, tho who even knows.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/eulora-boardroom-leaks/ << Trilema - Eulora boardroom leaks
mircea_popescu: and in other whorship, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cbfe8d81e3ee962c00345cc3bbb061b2/tumblr_nmi80vzvcJ1tioe3xo1_1280.jpg
mod6: lol