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shinohai: http://archive.is/dbzpt <<< NYPD to emulate Ethereum blokechain for bodycam accountability
mircea_popescu: bwahahahha
mircea_popescu: o god that's going places.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform worked for years in places where nearly everyone stretched excel long past breaking point -- bio, chem phd folx
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. i expect same reason.
asciilifeform: i found why they liked it. it wasn't even the familiarity (some walked in knowing not even it)
mircea_popescu: it's their hypercad. "When i was a wee tyke this seemed like srs bzns"
asciilifeform: it was for a quite legit reason:
asciilifeform: the short ooda loop.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: this, however, is not as legit a reason as it seems.
asciilifeform: long ooda loops are ~poison~, and that excel continues to win this contest, is to the undying shame of the field
asciilifeform: folks who can tolerate unnecessarily long ooda loops when working with a comp,
asciilifeform: are called programmers
asciilifeform: and they get paid for this
asciilifeform: but really for the pain tolerance
asciilifeform: just like sewage dredgers are paid to smell shit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i make most of my money out of being capable to use the tool that's adequate for the job whereas everyone else just goes with the fastest loop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in sane field, the 2 are 1
mircea_popescu: this seems about as unlikely as saying "in sane russia, sexually attractive women and women with pleasant personalities are the same woman"
mircea_popescu: there's no hard guarantee such wonder is possible.
asciilifeform: we're talking about a man-made world here.
mircea_popescu: we are not.
asciilifeform: there is no justification for the liquishit. none.
mircea_popescu: well that may be.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're making pcb. instant tracing, also ?
mircea_popescu: in what parallel, if man made, universe ?
asciilifeform: right here, in the cnc mill.
mircea_popescu: heh. some problems are complex alfie.
asciilifeform: everyone laughs at excel, but microshit did not invent spreadshit. spreadshit was 'killer app', arguably, for the original micros, because it introduces a modicum of sanity to the otherwise idiotic von neumann comp
asciilifeform: makes it behave like a sane physical system, whether clockwork or circuit:
asciilifeform: where you push a rod, and it pushes; pull - and it pulls.
asciilifeform: instead of 'batching'.
asciilifeform: batching is batshit.
mircea_popescu: batching was the preferred mode of engineers. historically.
asciilifeform: it is an artifact of painful rigidity. you cannot work steel the way one works plasticine, for elementary physical reasons.
asciilifeform: machine shop has no 'putting on tool', cuts -- must be planned, and reduce to simple geometries; etc
mircea_popescu: yeah well. anthropologically relevant though, created a whole identity mythos.
asciilifeform: on a comp this rigidity does not exist ! ( when it does -- it is because of a long line of boneheads who wanted to emulate steel-cutting in all things )
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: btw most of the folx reading this now own a perfectly good example of a non von neumann comp and program for same -- FUCKGOATS
trinque: this'd be one of those overly broad ones.
mircea_popescu: i have no position here, merely observing the history of the thing.
mircea_popescu: !!deed for instance works fine by my eyes, but it does not pass the "monkey do, monkey see" test.
trinque: to quote my old boss, one of his better observations imo is that spreadheets (and db as discussed in thread) are tools for classification and distinction
mircea_popescu: trinque the issue is that just because it felt convenient to the wee tyke it doesn't follow it is ~useful~.
mircea_popescu: cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP.
mircea_popescu: and this goes directly to all the "no mp, dope totally makes you a better thinker" threads.
trinque: the vast majority of the accountant guy's job is defining categories, listing their properties, relating them to each other
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641735 << place I'm currently contracting at, a big bank in southeast (you can prolly guess), it is literally written in policy:no sql allowed, only excel ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 23:58 trinque: the accountant fellow I mentioned, for $100mil scale oil contract compliance, also excel macros.
lobbes: Literally
trinque: visicalc and descendants leaned most this way, and thus he still uses that when alternatives aparrently exist
mircea_popescu: lobbes what happens when they starty paying the btc ransoms ?
trinque: lobbes: of the NoSQLs of which I'm aware, that's the saddest
mircea_popescu: you realise all it takes is for someone to salt the parking lot with hello kitty usbs.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform guesses : massive golden toilet backuptrons installed )
lobbes: Tis a purely political reason, of course
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform backup <-> realtime. iffy shit.
trinque: mircea_popescu: what'd the guy's classification and distinction device look like in the alternative?
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space.
trinque: or biologist, goes on safari, starts catalog of observations, begins drawing relationships between them
lobbes was dismayed when I came in, automated a 40 hr excel proccess down to about 10mins just by using sql (access of all the god awful things) only to be told it was verboten
mircea_popescu: let the man play with his excel and feel happy, just like some writers prefer to sketch their novels in gf's faeces on bathroom floor. none of this makes gf shit an economically relevant inkwell system.
lobbes: Now I pour my brain into tmsr, much more rewardinf
lobbes: *rewarding
asciilifeform: lobbes: if you take work as a programmer where they program ~meat~ -- don't be surprised
mircea_popescu: lobbes see, because they made the mistake of banning things instead of simply banning stupid.
mircea_popescu: you never want to ban things.
lobbes: Yup
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if they 'banned stupid' -- would have to ban self, as a class, the entire yacht set
mircea_popescu: aha.
lobbes: That is a great summation
mircea_popescu: hey, i see not the drawback.
asciilifeform: i can see a legit pov for the 'no sql' folx. 'you will NOT introduce programmerolade into our process flow, creating work for maggots like yerself and marrying our corp to your lazy and entitled arse' approx.
asciilifeform: when whole thing is excel -- the 60 y.o. buffett at the top, theoretically understands the flow.
asciilifeform: when you let ~one~ flunky write ~one~ perl script, on other hand..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641504 << From experience, there's a definite slot for learning filled by sql. i personally show girls how to use a db for their own shit, which may be simply grocery lists ("now tell me how many kgs of pepper we bought by day last year"). truthg be told the path to a structured mind is long and arduous. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 18:29 phf: ok, i guess we both know what the problem is. my solution is "study db related algorithms until you know enough to write a db", your solution, unless i misunderstand, seems to be "use an existing database a lot". i don't understand how learning, say, postgresql will get you from not knowing anything about db internal design to writing your own
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this naive view is mostly borne of not much using excel.
asciilifeform: this unfortunately is not so. did use.
asciilifeform: quite familiar with this particular wheelbarrow.
mircea_popescu: the attempt to understand another's excel pile is not unliuke trying to grok the intended functioning of the preferred emacs setup of a rabid squirrel.
asciilifeform: it's examinable, what.
mircea_popescu: pfff
asciilifeform: and yes, there is a turing-complete basic stuffed in there. but ~no one uses.
mircea_popescu: in my own (limited) experience, every time i found myself consulting for this lot i had them write, by hand, in narrative form, what they thought their excels did.
mircea_popescu: improved productivity 1500%
asciilifeform can picture this.
mircea_popescu: it's examinable in the sense xilinx is examinable.
asciilifeform: i'd guess that it happens most to folx who are ~wholly untethered to reality ( financial models, say, of elaborate scamola that sums to 0 at the end of the day, rather than , say, titrations )
asciilifeform: the excelolade of the people who asciilifeform worked with, who had to juggle physical objects every day, was reasonably sane.
mircea_popescu: i guess that may be explanatory.
asciilifeform: intelligent (in the glass bead sense) folx who are unbound from reality, tend to birth monsters.
mircea_popescu: before coming up with the "Write it down. By hand." i had an excel depacker, which cost me literal man-years to have made and tuned, and which was good but far from perfect.
asciilifeform: this sounds agonizing.
mircea_popescu: well... trade barriers rite.
mircea_popescu: (and no, it NEVER happened that two people in the same team using the same tools actually had compatible notions of what the tools did.)
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : present-day asciilifeform does not agree with young-asciilifeform re 'excel is what poor illiterate folx who never learned Actual Programming, suffer with'. in an important sense it is superior to a good fraction of what passes for 'actual program'
mircea_popescu: it's just not clear that the particular sense is actually relevant in any public sense.
asciilifeform: specifically, the 'this produces no meaningful answer and i have nfi why' situation never happens.
asciilifeform: it is more or less impossible in a spreadshit.
mircea_popescu: and this goes right back ot the literacy vs hyeroglyphs thread, amusingly enough.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but at the cost of, you know, http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-31.16-31.118
asciilifeform: at plenty of cost.
asciilifeform: my disagreement was in re 'this is an illusory/masturbatory pleasure, like cocaine'
asciilifeform: it is not necessarily so.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's chemists would NOT have been well served by being sent to learn sql.
asciilifeform: or perl.
mircea_popescu: and my party girls would not have been well served by the soviet dress fashions for professional females cca 1965.
mircea_popescu: what's this prove.
mircea_popescu: also, i dunno how relevant but factual in any case : 90% of in-house it support requests from excel users is exactly, "i did thing and it did i dunno what or why halp!1"
mircea_popescu: which is ~how "from scratch for srs db" projects even end up engaged in by banks and their ilk. the it dept is pushing relentlessly for away-from-excel for this reason every single board meeting.
asciilifeform: 'it dept' of course wants full employment for perlists.
mircea_popescu: "we'll end up hiring two excel support people for every backofice gurl!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they want to do things that don't involve talking to girls or ~~~horror of horrors~~~ being at their call.
asciilifeform: i can easily picture mircea_popescu's excelists tho. the thing does ~not~ behave gracefully at the outer limits of what it does.
asciilifeform: wouldn't be a microshit product if it did, now.
mircea_popescu: myea
asciilifeform: but -- quite like the plastic scissors they issue to kindergarteners and asylum inmates, the thing ~does~ have a sweet spot in which it ~works.
asciilifeform: and in that sweet spot, beats the shit out of perl.
asciilifeform: not the least of reasons for this being that you don't need the deformed monkey any moar
asciilifeform: can deal in 'human' concepts, that make sense on grid paper just the same as on the comp.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: consider, visicalc was hyperbestseller among 'people who do things'; while the bare micro, even with rom basic -- was not.
mircea_popescu: how much did it sell ? i'm not really familiar.
asciilifeform: this is even though the latter is quite superior, at least in raw capacity, speed, to the former.
asciilifeform: http://www.bricklin.com/history/intro.htm << author's www
mircea_popescu: got a number to save me from fishing through the memorabilia tripod ?
asciilifeform: 300 ( 1980 usd ) for the proggy
asciilifeform: pretty hefty
asciilifeform: and this dun include the comp
mircea_popescu: no i mean, how many copies or units or such
asciilifeform: 300k supposedly.
asciilifeform: and quickly.
asciilifeform: or hm nm
asciilifeform: that was the pc port
asciilifeform: initial release sold 700k (1mil total), claimed.
mircea_popescu: that's a lot!
asciilifeform: ( http://archive.is/d8V0S << another source claims 800k by may of '85 )
asciilifeform: 5y after release.
mircea_popescu: for the time it's quite hyper.
asciilifeform: '...A few dealers knew what they were doing and got their salespeople excited about it. Because of VisiCalc, one of the Burlington, Massachusetts, dealers became the most successful Apple dealer in the country at that time. Two of its salesmen ended up as two of the founders of Lotus (the original team that brought out 1-2-3). We only sold about 1000 a month for the first few months because we had
asciilifeform: to get the word out to the primary consumers, who were financial people. [Editor’s note: A total of over 800,000 copies were sold by May of 1985, when Lotus purchased Software Arts and ceased marketing VisiCalc]'
asciilifeform: bricklin became, at least until rise of microshit and its cargocults -- a cult figure
mircea_popescu: i can see why.
asciilifeform: was in fact one of the few folx who made genuine advances for the micro. whose cake microshit proceeded to swallow.
asciilifeform: this 800k (or 1mil, or whichever) is an amazing number, because it isn't a pile of britney records. these were ~people~ buying.
mircea_popescu: if pressed i wouldn't even have imagined there were 1mn people who doi things left in the 80s us.
mircea_popescu: puts in perspective what maga has to actually accomplish.
asciilifeform: 'VisiCalc ran on a 24K-byte machine, 32K bytes with disk. '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think su ever delivered 1mn of any kind of calculating machine, since we're on it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even the infamous 'felix' only sold 300k.
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
asciilifeform: iirc.
mircea_popescu: and that was possibly largest.
mircea_popescu: this has been a very informative discussion, i had nfi.
asciilifeform: actually the 300k figure seems to refer to just 1 year.
asciilifeform: likely moar existed -- thing was in production from end of '20s to early '80s !
mircea_popescu: afaik the total run was a few hundred k items.
asciilifeform: didja ever have one ?
mircea_popescu: had ro clone.
mircea_popescu: but 90s.
asciilifeform: there were many many clones.
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: certainly saw yugo clone as well
asciilifeform: original was german thing
asciilifeform: odhner.
asciilifeform: cranked arithmometers were spiffy, for their time, american 'manhattan' project ran on'em
asciilifeform: (gurls, cranked, scribbled)
mircea_popescu: certainly in the vein of the above excel ooda.
mircea_popescu: there's truly no way to make it do strange things.
mircea_popescu: babbage problem, of course, remains.
asciilifeform: aha. and if it jammed, the oil bottle is right-there.
asciilifeform: and - what's worst ? needs new gear?
mircea_popescu: first-cleanner. then-oil. then-light cig. then put out fire.
asciilifeform: 'babbage problem' is not escapable, it does not come from the poor machine, no. 'pebkac'.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mod6: MEGA
mod6: LOG
mircea_popescu: hola mod6
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: o7
shinohai: Hope you made popcorn mod6
mod6: i've been following along off and on all day.
asciilifeform reads 'o7', thinks 'brigadier general..?'
mod6: need to get the last few hours
mircea_popescu: it's how you do military salute if you're playing excel-in-space
mircea_popescu: which it occurs to me asciilifeform might enjoy ?
asciilifeform: lol, 3d spreadshit?
mircea_popescu: !~google eve online
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: EVE Online - One community. Countless journeys.: <https://www.eveonline.com/>; Eve Online - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online>; EVE Online - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwF3VyalTHzL0L-GDlwtbRw>
shinohai: ^
asciilifeform: aaah it
mircea_popescu: we even have / had a guild there
asciilifeform: i had it on my list, for what to do with that wintel box
mod6: 1BTC right?
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: i dunno how active it is or anything ; but we were pretty rich if memory serves.
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: last thing i played was, iirc, 'hearts of iron'. then lent the box to brother , in feb., and hadn't had time to touch it since
mircea_popescu: i dun know that one.
asciilifeform: ww2 micromanagement sim thing.
asciilifeform: (demo level: you start as mussolini)
asciilifeform: http://www.heartsofirongame.com << subj.
asciilifeform: dunno if i recommend.
mod6: im about to try to load up this offline phys box with all the blocks.
mod6: wrote a perl one liner to cut them all apart with blkcut... now just gotta feed 'em in.
mircea_popescu: ah i dun like ww2 stuff.
mod6: ok there they go
mod6: 15k blocks and counting
mod6: -verifyall & -caneat
mod6: ~0ms writes
mod6: nmon is running
mod6: box is: 24 CPU / 64Gb RAM / 1Tb Kingston SSD
mod6: lol, disk is probably going to start on fire.
mod6: 40k blocks...
mircea_popescu: a yea good point : folks plox fan your ssds when doing mass blockeat experiments etc.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet one that seriously warms
mod6: 50k
mod6: i've got mine in a std enclosure and it's got a faned bp. but... if she fries, well, she fries.
mod6: a good test either way.
asciilifeform: unless your environment is quite peculiar ( massively overheaded cage, or a satellite, or a pile of blankets?? ) typical ssd maxes out at 40c or so
asciilifeform: at room ambient temp
asciilifeform: *overheated
mircea_popescu: i had one i couldn't touch. hence keep ssds in fanned thing
mod6: this is pretty f'ing awesome, actually.
shinohai: I need a better SSD, these girls better step up their game.
mod6: shake it!
mod6: 93k
mod6: there's like 180k+ blocks in blk0001.dat
asciilifeform: mostly hollow aha
mod6: i cut apart 50 .dat files. noodle on that for a minute. and these dickweeds want BIGGER blocks.
mod6: asciilifeform: got that book from pong chu
shinohai: All except lukejr, but he's just a contradictory blockhead
mod6: thx for the heads up
asciilifeform: mod6: it's an ok b00k. there is not, afaik, a 'great' one
asciilifeform: again i'll reminds, hard part for n00bs is not 'verilog' but rather the basic idea of 'program where all lines execute at once'
asciilifeform: especially given as it is not quite so, and various sections have 'triggers' (particular signals that cause them to 'happen')
asciilifeform: i recommend to study very carefully the diagrams that give examples of what gates particular snippets actually get synthed into, and why
asciilifeform: (e.g., what is an inferred latch, and why do you virtually never want one.)
mod6: there's an example in here of a FIFO circular queue in verilog, neat.
asciilifeform: best to think of it as 'in iron', rather than 'in verilog', other ways to specify the same circuit, get you same result.
mod6: werd
asciilifeform: mod6: build yourself a copy of 'verilator'
asciilifeform: worx ok
asciilifeform: and will give you a little ability to debug (i hesitate to use the word)
asciilifeform: a good chunk of the pain in this kind of work is the ~total lack of anything like the customary debugger. ( that, and the constraints of the medium - the very palpable differences between fpga and actual asic, but even in the latter there are physical delays )
mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect.
mod6: mircea_popescu: cool
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, ok.
mod6: i was thinking about taking my xilinx board and seeing if I can throw your fg-genesis on there.
asciilifeform: mod6: you could, but be mindful of the crystal
mod6: yeah, not sure if this one is ok...
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: mod6: if you want to talk to a ttl-usb serial dongle, you gotta match one of the classical baud rates, or you get rubbish (and not the desired rubbish, either, but patterned rubbish -- or nothing at all)
mod6: i did get that xilinx platform cable usb deal in the mail too.
asciilifeform: mod6: see also http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L86 .
asciilifeform: you may recognize the idiom -- it's a divisor by 128.
mod6: 86 +// div128, for UART's 115200b on 14.7456MHz crystal.
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: if your dev board crystal is a power-of-2 multiple of your baud rate -- you're ok, just gotta change the divisor
asciilifeform: if not -- problem.
mod6: gotcha
asciilifeform: ( there is unfortunately no such thing as a serial port that eats arbitrary baud rates. )
mod6: the chip i've got is a 'xilinx spartan XC3S500E'
mod6: looking forward to getting into this stuff a bit.
mod6: for edu purposes, etc.
mod6: when i start actually doing somethings, i'll take some pics.
mod6: i'd like to audit one of these fgs soon too.
mod6: might give that a try tomorrow
mircea_popescu: good blog material in any case.
mod6: ya
mod6: i may write up something on my website, or send something to qntra
mod6: speaking of which, my mom asked about BingoBoingo
mod6: she's been mainly 100% delirious. but in a moment of slurred-opiate semi-clarity, she asked me "hows BingoBoingo?"
mircea_popescu: o.O
mod6: ^ my reaction exactly.
mircea_popescu: opiates suck.
mod6: yeah, she's in hospice now. they're keeping her pretty comfortable.
mod6: she was semi-lucid until friday. but been pretty much not-eating & sleeping all day since.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mod6: well, she was sleeping all day on saturday. then for a moment, she woke up, got pissed off, tried to get out of bed, fell down. then wrestled two nurses, and sucker punched one in the face.
mod6: felt so bad for the young lady. it wasn't a hard punch or anything... but still. lol.
mod6: wtf.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mod6: they came over and gave her a pretty big dose of valium<sp> or whatever.
mod6: then it was back to night-night.
mod6: i think the bed alarm threw her into a rage. the thing started going off like a UPS alarm.
mircea_popescu: ah
mod6: it was quite something to behold. here's a lady, clinging to breath, hardly moves, then gets up and fights to young women.
mircea_popescu: zee human body.
mod6: its something else 'eh
mod6: danielpbarron: hey, did you ever figure out whatever with your openbsd deed you were trying to do?
mod6: TomServo: any update on the issues you ran into?
TomServo: mod6: Sorry, nothing to report as yet. Node is still running, wedged, and untouched. Haven't had time to delve any deeper.
mod6: Ok, thanks for the update.
mod6: ben_vulpes: so if i have a `std::map<ktype, std::vector<vtype>> stuffMap`, is it legal to say `stuffMap[k].push_back(newV)` << should be fine as long as newV is of vtype.
shinohai: https://github.com/npm/npm/pull/16300 <<< omg it's Ryan X Charles' wet dream
mod6: pull my finger
mod6: 150k
mod6: no fires yet
shinohai: If the shitty, 4 year old hardware I run my node hasn't burnt down the house yet I'm highly optimistic for you mod6 :D
mod6: :]
shinohai just likes shitty old computers ...
shinohai: I'm still hopeful I'll find something that'll run on that Dell I salvaged a few weeks ago.
danielpbarron: mod6, i think trinque is working on it
mod6: ah, ok. werd.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i always wished there were such a thing as an ac with a throttle << Not throttle, needs adjustable clutch
asciilifeform: the starting/stopping of the compressor and the blower is also massive waste of energy.
asciilifeform: why not continuously variable heat pumping ?
asciilifeform: compress as-needed, blow -- as-needed.
asciilifeform: as determined by the actual leakage of the room walls.
asciilifeform: ( if all ac used peltier junction, this would be quite trivial. unfortunately peltier is not actually +ev in comparison with mechanical compressor. )
asciilifeform: you can't even ~get~ a peltier in anything like the size you would want for a room ac. would need hundred of'em.
asciilifeform: ( and car-sized radiator for hot end. )
asciilifeform: not car-radiator size. car-size.
asciilifeform: is there such a thing as a variable-ratio compressor ?
asciilifeform: seems as if -- there could easily be.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP. << The problems with cocaine hcl powder is that in little time even that feeling goes that and you are left with only feeling of wanting moar cocaine
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i am not proposing an alternative for that function. doctor isn't in the line of proposing replacement for cocaine, and from the "i wanna feel good" perspective the whole pharmacopoea is a waste of space. << This is why CIA popularized freebase salt of cocaine
asciilifeform: if people dosed aspirin the way they dosed cocaine, they would decide that it, too, is useless.
asciilifeform: nobody ~forces~ idiot to snort it.
asciilifeform: the spanish first denied the indians they were working to death, their coca, then permitted again. this suggests that coca -- works.
asciilifeform: for that particular value of worx.
asciilifeform: ( pretty sure we had this thread. )
asciilifeform: ( some modern folx -- gabriel_laddel ?? -- continue this fine tradition even today... )
BingoBoingo: <mod6> she's been mainly 100% delirious. but in a moment of slurred-opiate semi-clarity, she asked me "hows BingoBoingo?" << I am doing well, celebrate 18 months of continuous sobriety later this month.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> compress as-needed, blow -- as-needed. << Thinking on it, AC may be the one application where CVT transmission makes sense
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> seems as if -- there could easily be. << Probably low hanging fruit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviets similarily denied afghani whatever, then permitted again. this suggests - empire doesn't honestly gas.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for that particular value of worx. << The second best treatment for addiction disorders is drugs of abuse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc ww2 germany experimented with similarly cocainizing prisoners, for endurance, but came to 0, war ended
trinque: this is the kind of thing of which you're disabused after you reach your personal tolerance of bros telling you their great business idea
trinque: might give you the will to march, but all directions seem equally great ideas
asciilifeform: who the fuck lets prisoner decide direction ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, after physical dependence is established for any drug, cessastion of drug leads to feelings of exhaustion and illness.
trinque: point was that it detunes the good-idea-inator badly
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575700 << thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:19 asciilifeform: 'packing', and brute labour of whatever other kind, also can have sensation of 'inch away', read the tales of athletes in training, alpinists, pilots.
shinohai: You don't stop giving the whores junk ......
asciilifeform: trinque: if g_l is anything to go by -- it certainly does
trinque: lel
asciilifeform: distort thought, i mean
BingoBoingo: distort thought seems to be common among stimulants, including amphetamines with the cocaine
asciilifeform: some folx even more unfortunate : never think clearly to begin with, sober.
BingoBoingo: Many crack afficianados are downright pleasant people 6 to 60 months out from smoking their last rock
asciilifeform: 'hey, i'll be sober in the morning, but you -- will stay ugly' or how it went.
BingoBoingo unsure journey from bed with morning jitters to breakfast gin quite counts as sober in the morning
BingoBoingo: But human body, amazing thing
trinque: only drug that ever got me was nicotine
trinque smells good tobacco, still has the anticipatory rush of "ah, my old friend"
BingoBoingo: nicotine seems to get most people, so many receptors scattered everywhere for it to hit
asciilifeform: doesn't seem to do much for asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: perhaps asciilifeform is bodily and mentally different from his fellows, is dog-cat
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Or cat-dog
shinohai: Coffee+nicotine is wonder drug cocktail for me
trinque: oh right. so two then...
asciilifeform: shinohai: you add it to coffee?!
trinque: by now aren't those just "being european" ?
shinohai: Nah, you drink first espresso shot in the morning, followed by delicious cigarette.
trinque: lady friend gave me a nice, small espresso machine while back.
BingoBoingo drinks drip brew coffee by the pot, perhaps has simply established warped relationship with beverages generally
trinque: this thing's a "Krups", old model, works great
shinohai: Somehow I imagine BingoBoingo owning one of those coffee urns like they have in funeral homes
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Not yet, but the meetings I frequent tend to be the ones with the large coffee urns over mundane 12 cup drip machine.
shinohai: I have one of those stovetop percolators for afternoon coffee, too much espresso will keep me awake long into the night.
trinque: BingoBoingo may enjoy investing in a french press; great way to brew regular coffee
trinque: things are like 15 bucks or something.
lobbes: ah I miss the ol' coffee+nicotine combo. Had to ditch the coffee half recently though; stuff doesn't agree with me anymore (and I'm only 29 O.o)
lobbes: Switched to green tea. Was hell the first few days, but now I enjoy the 'subtle yet steadier' energy boost it give me. No more 'caffine crashes'
lobbes: *gives
lobbes: btw mod6, thanks for this useful gem. It has been very useful a resource combined with the gentoo.org handbook >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot Framedragger
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 4 by 4 connections.
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot shinohai
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 9 by 9 connections.
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot mike_c
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 8 by 8 connections.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641991 << all set. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 01:55 mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect.
mircea_popescu: chers
mircea_popescu: and welcome teh two new lords!
trinque: hear hear.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo may enjoy investing in a french press; great way to brew regular coffee << They don't make those in my size
BingoBoingo: Congrats to the new lordlings
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and welcome teh two new lords! << indeed, congrats!
mircea_popescu: this actually makes us 13.
ben_vulpes: an auspicious count
mod6: prime!
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely believe how utterly fucktarded usg platforms are. it's eerie.
mircea_popescu ended up reading twitter matter, minutes later was "wtf am i reading, holy shit what is this."
mod6: everything usg is fucktarded, phony or both.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah stop wasting cycles on that shit
trinque: only use I have for it is you know, having a lol at whatever the President of the United States of America said
trinque: on Twitter, like they do
mod6: shinohai has some nice sluts on there though
ben_vulpes: dude realdonaldtrump is the only thing hanging off the twitter entry in imperial dns worth reading and that only for lolz and admiration of a grade a 'social media' mastery
mircea_popescu: did he save the babies yet ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, my bad, was bitcoin "related" stuff. it's shocking identical to 5 years ago except new faces and new names.
mod6: well, 188k+ and into blk0002 now...
mod6: lobbes: np! glad it helped.
mircea_popescu: ahhh
mircea_popescu: trilema articles are such a pleasure to write.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-shopping-candlelight-gratis/ << Trilema - The story of shopping ; candlelight gratis.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEF1C6C9A890941640110AD479AFDEDCC6132445EEFB2D1F31C1D58AFF1DC4F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.9 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.9 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX JAL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A35236F137FD211F772259BD5287EDE9AA09CD8A275F881C74BD97AB8BD0545 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.3.189 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.3.189 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D21502DDC614160506D49019E3A101B1D769C3A49597CAB4B67CBBC0EF4E7592 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.5 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB4FAF9B7BC2D324C86FD927C713FC337C93F3920E607A6A1789C3897E2756B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.91 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CFAA83DBA61419976C5A7EB332195CB3BB611760917DF59CE06273B247798B6D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9931...5093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.205 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.205 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BCB4FAF9B7BC2D324C86FD927C713FC337C93F3920E607A6A1789C3897E2756B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 8785...1317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.91 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1641991 << thank you everyone for the trust :) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 01:55 mircea_popescu: in other news, i deem http://trilema.com/2017/the-lordship-list-fourth-year/ a done deal ; trinque plox to update deedbot to reflect.
shinohai: !!up dm0n
deedbot: dm0n voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: http://qntra.net/2017/04/altcointradingbot-io-is-very-sorry-for-your-loss/ href for "Web of Trust" is broken, just fyi shinohai , BingoBoingo
shinohai: ty Framedragger
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9546AF73E66CBDE87E3FB00E89C0FE7C53423CDDF964BD60DDEB18B8B6BFE82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABF23DE303BE1C82869D7925F0ACF7A8F54B420469D851530FC4121CBEC0B356 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...7673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.7.47 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.7.47 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CCD76069BB1F8E630905F5A86CF1C77E184381E6A058E428912D0C5937551E5A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 9588...0233 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.145 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.145 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MX CHH)
Framedragger: ^ SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5 & SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5 (respectively), heh
Framedragger: (http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528254) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 02:29 asciilifeform: 'As an open source project, the Yocto Project operates with a hierarchical governance structure based on meritocracy and managed by its chief architect, Richard Purdie, a Linux Foundation fellow. This enables the project to remain independent of any one of its member organizations, who participate in various ways and provide resources to the project.'
shinohai: viva Mexico
shinohai wonders if Chihuahuas generated the keys ......
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642126 <<< ty mircea_popescu and all, will try to provide the Republic with ample tits for ages to come. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 04:30 mircea_popescu: and welcome teh two new lords!
Framedragger: i'd offer to go for a beer shinohai but unfortunately no portals yet. :/ sad!
shinohai: A virtual vino will have to suffice, cheers! [~]D
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...4609 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US SC)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...9493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US SC)
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/11/dave-the-ice-man/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Dave the ice man.
mod6: wb
mircea_popescu: why ty!\
shinohai: mod6: o7
mod6: hey shinohai, how goes?
mircea_popescu: "21 matches in 678 log files with 138047 lines (1.5 seconds)." << from lobbes 's logotron. "10 entries in 0.482s" from phf 's logotron. i imagine this log is about 10x as long, how the fuck do you do it phf!
asciilifeform: the magic of not-sql!
mircea_popescu: must be. i wanna look into this one because it is impressive.
shinohai: Good here mod6, abt to check node logs how is yours running today?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect 1.4mn lines is actually an understatement re trilema logs, afaik he imported the history, should be 2x that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulzy bit being that Framedragger didn't even implement a search yet, though he has the psql right there :D
asciilifeform: it's still, what, a few 100 MB
mod6: shinohai: good, 235k+ and counting. on blk0004 now.
asciilifeform: 0.1s or what, of modern bus clock.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: iirc it was like 60mb or so.
asciilifeform: pretty compact.
mircea_popescu: who else was having a log ? i recall a 3rd, was it ben_vulpes ?
asciilifeform: aha, he does
mircea_popescu: no search though huh!
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. I THOUGHT DATABASES!
asciilifeform: lulzy, the 1 d00d with a working searchtron, is the one with no sql.
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
Framedragger: shots fired, i will see if i can find time to implement search using pg full text search :)
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu is in awe of the mighty power of the republic, that enchanted space where meaningful comparisons can actually occur, and inform.
Framedragger: fwiw when i was running searchable tor metrics db (>= 80GB tho would need to check) and had search there, it ran ~fine~, including wildcard support.
mircea_popescu: beat the half second, win a caek!
trinque still basking in the "oh but yes, we want a standard library of data structures and persistence strategies"
mircea_popescu: as you perhaps imagine, mp will readily turn the ratchet the other way, "Hey phf, i thought lisp worked ?" etc.
asciilifeform: iirc we did this one already
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=tits&c=trilema
Framedragger: HA
asciilifeform: notbad
ben_vulpes: only runs through whenever mimi was jointed to a channel
trinque: it only does tits though.
ben_vulpes: lolright
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-11#1642176 << 'International Baptist Missions is an integral ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. We support missionaries in India, Singapore, Kenya, Romania, Poland, Uruguay, Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Mexico, as well as several Restricted Access Nations.' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 13:52 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/618C883057708482E6963248405A4AA1DE61AE6DF5AA41282A405F9639B69874 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1488...9493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '216.105.147.114 (ssh-rsa key from 216.105.147.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US SC)
trinque: fuckin sql
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608458 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 20:21 ben_vulpes: logs and search will at the least provide interesting lessons in postgres design and optimization. writing my own disqus, not so much.
ben_vulpes: only does tits for #trilema, #trilema-mod6, #eulora...
ben_vulpes: also can be abused as poor-mans-recent-block-hash-lookup: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=000000000000000001b042da9f20a212b95737e0978c48c113f3f047ec0e7ab4&c=chainstate
shinohai: "blocks" : 382067 <<< I think my ethernet cable is a dud or something, I keep dropping connection the past few days to router.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: curious, is this using pg full text search (including taking care of tokenising etc)?
mircea_popescu: trinque you gotta understand, up to a certain point i do enjoy executive priviledges that make it easier for me, but nevertheless up to a different point you don't express yourself too well.
mircea_popescu: and unrelatedly, ancient romanian joke : what are the similarities between dog and engineer ?
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: tokenization and strict search work at odds to each other
ben_vulpes: the fts indices are still sitting there unused.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a nice had nfi! what's the time profile ?
ben_vulpes: hm
Framedragger: right, right :) hm i suppose i'd like to do some semantic matching as well, but maybe unneeded dickwaving
mircea_popescu: start with a thing, add dicks to it after.
Framedragger: the genesis of gender in biology is indeed interesting
mircea_popescu: you reading up on the wolbachia thing ? it's not, ftr, the genesis of gender. it's just the first revolutionizing thereof.
Framedragger: actually haven't, just recall searching around when you referred to it. kk. :)
mircea_popescu: :p
Framedragger vaguely recalls some theory based on algae. will check laters
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd be better off disengaging once past the point of wanting to have the thread at all
mircea_popescu: http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=cunts&c=trilema << gimme a fucking break, 12 cunts for 13 lords ? WHO HJERE IS A VIRGIN
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: explain analyze claims 163 ms
mircea_popescu: trinque that's more like damage control than anything. you'd be better off not ending up in that point eh.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nb. how many lines total ?
trinque: point taken
Framedragger: explain (analyze, buffers) would tell if it's just hitting cache
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0qvkq/?raw=true
shinohai: I already have my girl claimed on pages of trilema
mircea_popescu: and since nobody's taking the bait : similarities between dog and engineer : both have intelligent eyes and neither can express itself.
Framedragger: touché
ben_vulpes: i see 66, but not full history.
danielpbarron: oh i thought the "add dicks to it later" line was the punchline to the joke
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-05#1317715 << bee dog dances to communicate ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-11-05 22:07 ascii_field spins, like turtle
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mebbe noob, but i can't figure it from the paste. so 40kb of ram and 66 hits but how many total lines or index items or w/e it sifted through ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol!
mircea_popescu: apparently i made a thing with two dicks by accident.
ben_vulpes: oh oh
Framedragger: that particular query had to sift through 93749 seems like
ben_vulpes: 93k in the whole log table, 62k of #trilema entries
mircea_popescu: ah ok. still beats lobbes though.
mircea_popescu: right it's right there on re-read, rows removed by filter
mircea_popescu: trinque btw don't get deterred, we do want deedbot wallet before any kind of deeds search.
trinque still on it, has a related item coming from pcengines sometime later this month
mircea_popescu: cool
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641564 In which said consumerism reaches Colombia lobbes >>> http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/poo.jpeg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 21:25 lobbes: In unrelated lulz, american consumerism moves ever closer to its apex: http://m.imgur.com/Npg7IWR
CompanionCube: remind me why it's so bad for a somewhat-cute poo plush toy to exist?
CompanionCube: if people want to buy it, let them. There's no harm in it's existence.
shinohai: I'm not saying it's bad at all, just happened to recall said girl owned one, had her send selfie to demonstrate.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-05#1154832 << a thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-06-05 03:56 asciilifeform: as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch
CompanionCube: shinohai: true, but the original message kinda implies it imo
shinohai: I'll buy the girl whatever physical emoji garbage she likes as long as she continues to get naked to pose with said items.
CompanionCube: lol
trinque: ought to be made to snuggle an actual turd if she asks for one of those things
trinque: honey, this one's organic
asciilifeform: iirc somebody sells a plush ebola also
shinohai: kek
doppler: hahaha are you serious
CompanionCube: doppler: apparently so
CompanionCube: https://diw3mx5cbad20.cloudfront.net/cdn/763486/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/885x564/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/e/b/ebola-cluster.jpg
doppler: incredible
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno pvc molding takes thatmany hands.
asciilifeform: hands, feedstock, transport ullage, fuel
asciilifeform: it all adds up, plastic pumpkins or britney records
mircea_popescu: yes. and a good way to judge what % of world hands are involved would be to divide the aggregate cost by the aggregate world gdp.
mircea_popescu: it... won't be half.
asciilifeform: i don't have access to anything resembling a reality-based version of either figure.
asciilifeform: the 1 clue i have, is that time when megatonnes of chinese cargo were held up . and there was expectation of shortages, or at least some sort of visible splash in usa konsoomer sector. and there was 0 (in as far as naked eye.)
shinohai: !~google aggregate cost of plush turds
jhvh1: shinohai: Stuffed Plush poop toy Price - AliExpress.com: <http://www.aliexpress.com/price/poop-toy-price/Stuffed-Plush-poop-toy-100002145-200003396.html>; Amazon.com: Etosell Stuffed Pillow Cushion Emoji Poop Shaped ...: <https://www.amazon.com/Etosell-Stuffed-Pillow-Cushion-Shaped/dp/B00RVDBI64>; Amazon.com: Pee & Poo Plush Dolls - Set: Toys & Games: <https://www.amazon.com/Pee-Poo-Plush-Dolls-Set/d
ben_vulpes: hey i didn't know the swiss gave up the peg
ben_vulpes: https://bankunderground.co.uk/2017/04/06/big-data-jigsaws-for-central-banks-the-impact-of-the-swiss-franc-de-pegging/
ben_vulpes: via ritholtz
Framedragger: random thing re ^ is that *for some reason*, a huge bunch of polish folks had bank loans in swiss franc. because "switzerland stable, good country for banking", something something. when swiss franc inflated by *a whole lot* vs. the zloty, they weren't exactly exalted. :/ kinda lulzy thought process must have been
Framedragger: (inflated right after being de-pegged, that is)
asciilifeform: usg ate the swiss long ago, now in the process of milking the brand.
asciilifeform: ( who -- other than gullible orcs -- remained unaware of this ? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amuysingly enough, since both fiat figures are made for the same purpose through the same process, their ratio is probably closer to reality than not.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger not just polish, ro also. i mocked it at length on trilema.
ben_vulpes: linked piece has some charts showing more or less what one'd expect to see
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people dun generally want to drop the hand once it becomes obvious it can't win, because reasons. it was obvious re swiss once they "agreed" to drop bank secrecy. it was obvious re trump once he "agreed" to promote niggers. etcetera.
ben_vulpes: talking about the hud guy?
mircea_popescu: anyway, macroeconomically speaking i fully expect us to enact trade barrier simply because the us population is desperate for some protection. if it CANT buy the chinese crap because it's not allowed it gets to not buy it ; if it can it has to come up with some way to justify not buying it on its own and it's way too dumb, soft and useless for that. so in this perspective tariffs are +ev politically.
ben_vulpes: !!up airgapped
deedbot: airgapped voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: much like the cock cage on the impotent middle aged man. saves him a middle age crisis -- it's not that it dun get up, it safely can't so all is well.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah. talking about the "director of national intelligence" and "chairman of joint chiefs of staff"
ben_vulpes: https://www.autodraw.com/
ben_vulpes: spoiler alert: ai can't in2 dicks afaict
trinque: it thought my naked chick was a koala
trinque demands refund
ben_vulpes: scam
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/gaslight/ << Trilema - Gaslight
ben_vulpes: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-10/inside-blue-apron-s-meal-kit-machine << i don't get this shit in the slightest. buy a wife?
shinohai: Me neither, part of the fun cooking -even with no wife - is sourcing fresh ingerdients.
shinohai: * ingredients
mircea_popescu: an attempt to have fun is how one starts on the long and winding primrose path of self radicalization
mircea_popescu: terrorism, not even once!
ben_vulpes: #nofun
diana_coman: well, that doesn't sound like it's meant for cooking; it's meant for pretending to be cooking without actually cooking as it were; quite the elaborate pretence, but that's not new anymore
ben_vulpes: painting by numbers for the kitchen
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes funny you should mention that, because :
diana_coman: quite; the next step in this company's quest for market domination and all sorts of successeses will probably be a "re-thinking of the box so that the customer can just push a button and the ingredients jump into their place in the pan" - for those who want to cook but don't want the hassle of dealing with pans and pots
mircea_popescu: 1. girl introduced me to local chick who hjas a job she hates and tries to study "metaphysics" which she explains as "life" and "healing". basically a large pile of hooey (she has the disadvantage of being black , which comes packaged with a bunch of stupid fat old women and their self-sufficient notions of "life" and "healing", tribal bullshit that should have been extirpated by whip and fire but apparently wasnt).
mircea_popescu: 2. she never heard of kirkegaard, she never heard of sartre, SHE NEVER HEARD OF KANT. girl goes TO SCHOOL for this shit.
mircea_popescu: 3. after this bizarre situation, walking downtown with same girl, we went past library, where i pointed out book by roland barthes, and said "buy it and gift it her".
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: one could skip the whole jump-into-pan step and ship everything in barely-there al 'cookware'
mircea_popescu: 4. that returned this morning. the results are as follows : the library consists of a first half that's packing paper, shiny beads and well wishing cards
shinohai: Or just buy a damned TV dinner.
diana_coman: no, no, no shinohai you don't get it; the whole point is to NOT LOOK like a tv dinner
mircea_popescu: 4.1. there is a philosophy section, taking 1/8 of one shelf, or ~0.625% of all floor space
mircea_popescu: 4.2. the philosophy section IS NOT SORTED ALPHABETICALLY
mircea_popescu: 4.3. the barthes book is not included.
diana_coman: but to be as close to that - preferably precisely that ,of course
shinohai: diana_coman: So maybe individually wrap the ingredients and ship them in a box along with a microwavable pan and instructions of which dividers to put them in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: equatorial stupidity field!11111
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, and this is the kicker : 4.4. a book of "painting masters -- paint cezanne by the numbers" WAS included.
mircea_popescu: next to philosophy of art.
mircea_popescu: so...
mircea_popescu: they also had picasso. shockingly missing, waterhouse. because totally, there's anyone else i'd wanna do in crayons.
mircea_popescu: but obviously can't have him, there's NAKED WOMEN!!11
ben_vulpes: who doesn't like naked women?
diana_coman: eh; were the books ordered by ...height? did they look pretty on the shelf?
mircea_popescu: fat african tards who "metaphysics", that's who.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman reportedly theyt looked like the result of a crashed failvan.
diana_coman: lol
diana_coman: come to think about it (and recollecting sad childhood adventures with public libraries in home land) - it might have been that the library is simply cobbled together from whatever gets donated or is found in the street, who knows
mircea_popescu: incientally by now "Wrongly inclined book" is ~= "imbecility in writing". there was a time when english style spines were promising. today, it's guaranteed to be some nonsense a la blue apron / fingerpaint cezanne
mircea_popescu: diana_coman mmm, this was a bookstore not a library.
mircea_popescu: i... misspoke.
diana_coman: oh
mircea_popescu: large book store downtown.
diana_coman: o.O what passes for small bookstore there then?
mircea_popescu: i kid you not, the thing is 2k sqm or so.
jhvh1: GET / HTTP/1.1
asciilifeform: lolwut
jhvh1: Pay no attention to that man behind the GET
scriba: jhvh1: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request; Retry over RFC 1149.
jhvh1: scriba: Error: "HTTP/1.1" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: GET / hurr durr
scriba: mircea_popescu: HTTP/1.1 404 Tits not found.
jhvh1: ( . Y . )
mircea_popescu: Framedragger why exactly is scriba reacting to non !$ strings ? eh ?
Framedragger: :o PROTOCOL MISBEHAVIOUR, i shall endeavour to fix that m'lord.
mircea_popescu: the whole "make your bot only respond to x" thing is a fine proxy for "make linux kernel only respond to x" hardness.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HsgTMVt7QE << ro tranny gets homecoming queen trophy or somesuch.
jhvh1: hurr durr
mircea_popescu: shinohai wtf is it doing ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i tried to think of a diagonal argument along the fashion of "if you make it conform to that narrow spec, the conformance itself is an additional statement which needs a larger spec, which in turn needs a larger spec, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO INSANE WITH INFINITY";
shinohai: Misbehaving as well, twas testing something sorry for the chanspam
Framedragger: but that requires me to actually be able to do math, so no-go.
shinohai blames it on Romanian trannies
mircea_popescu: lol what nonsense is this!
shinohai: mircea_popescu brings up good point I just noticed I overlooked, because:
shinohai: jhvh1: ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1225.97, vol: 3728.33865522 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1219.989, vol: 5954.93936 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1240.6, vol: 9410.51318342 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1059.93115, vol: 3914.98800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1228.645, vol: 1408.51981929 | Volume-weighted last average: 1203.68199022
shinohai: ^ Shouldn't work
mircea_popescu: aha
shinohai: jhvh1: ticker --market all
shinohai: better
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1226.98, vol: 3729.47501719 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1217.322, vol: 5954.93936 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1240.8, vol: 9411.57358072 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1059.93115, vol: 3913.28800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1230.411, vol: 1408.55981929 | Volume-weighted last average: 1203.37748444
mircea_popescu: evidently.
shinohai: well fuck
shinohai goes back to investigate
mircea_popescu: haxxed bots!
Framedragger: my logs say it's the russians
shinohai: Goddamn you asciilifeform
shinohai: xD
shinohai: jhvh1: ticker --market all
shinohai: Now then.
shinohai relights his cigarette
mircea_popescu: PRIVMSG #trilema :jhvh1: HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request; Retry over RFC 1149.
Framedragger: i mean
Framedragger: !~google RFC 1149
jhvh1: Framedragger: IP over Avian Carriers - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers>; RFC - 1149 | BLUG: <http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/>; RFC 1149 - Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avia ...: <http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html>
ben_vulpes: i smell whimsy
ben_vulpes: WHIMSY IN THE CODE
Framedragger: (just fyi, mkj (which hosts scriba; separate from siphnos which hosts scan data, phuctor cache, etc.) is going down soon for maintenance, but downtime shouldn't exceed 15min)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/30-day-constipation-of-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-continues-well-beyond-30-days/ << Qntra - "30 Day" Constipation Of Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Continues Well Beyond 30 Days