mircea_popescu: and in other vintage, https://68.media.tumblr.com/59dee5b0fa46082499c5aea2a0dee150/tumblr_omaxhcNpvk1vvow1po1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1205.16, vol: 6172.59109839 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1210.999, vol: 6126.70945 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1265.2, vol: 7570.22494824 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1030.21, vol: 4136.78500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1212.778, vol: 2144.25208046 | Volume-weighted last average: 1196.85786652
BingoBoingo: very stabilitit
asciilifeform in other noose, now has a pretty clean 'transparently mmapize arbitrary object to disk' ada thing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, color of paint is secondary or even tertiary concern. Promary purpose of paint is as protective coating
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Q2dN5
asciilifeform: 'If the North Koreans hesitate to open fire, for obvious reasons of national survival and common sense, there is a back-up team of shooters, namely the Maritime Self-Defense Force of Japan. A volley of Mitsubishi anti-ship missiles should do the job of sinking the U.S. Seventh Fleet and drowning the American sailors. The news media will assign the blame on Pyongyang for the dastardly deed.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i've been thinking about the conway thing. it's nigh on fascinating, a perfect case of "aging engineer falls into female culture" to use the terminology of http://trilema.com/2017/menstruation-lulz/
mircea_popescu: totally worth writing a biography, "l. conway - from reality to convention. a life."
asciilifeform: there was an earlier case, more familiar to asciilifeform : saharov
mircea_popescu: can anyone dig up a contact for the fellow ? i'd actually do an interview.
asciilifeform: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html << it's there
mircea_popescu: o.O
asciilifeform: ( saharov died eons ago, however )
asciilifeform: ( y'know, this d00d, http://ru-an.info/Photo/News/n3889/3.jpg )
mircea_popescu: eh, the usians also have one of these, "nuclear physicist / peace advocate"
asciilifeform: they, unfortunately, did not have a competent set of puppeteers, and a nobel-dispensing 'international komyoonity', to put theirs on proper podium
mircea_popescu: sure they did.
asciilifeform: .. jimmy carter?
asciilifeform: or who
mircea_popescu: i thought carter was a drunk.
mircea_popescu: rotblatt, say.
asciilifeform: first time i hear of a rotblatt.
mircea_popescu: o.o really ?
asciilifeform: rly.
mircea_popescu: !~google russell-einstein manifesto ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Statement: The Russell - Einstein Manifesto – Pugwash Conferences ...: <https://pugwash.org/1955/07/09/statement-manifesto/>; Russell – Einstein Manifesto - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%25E2%2580%2593Einstein_Manifesto>; Russell - Einstein Manifesto: <http://www.umich.edu/~pugwash/Manifesto.html>
asciilifeform: aah them
asciilifeform: moar limited thing.
asciilifeform: these folx never got a podium on which to pour shit over entire american system, say, and 'dissident'ate, and gleefully preside over disassembly of usg
asciilifeform: so not quite saharov.
mircea_popescu: of course they did.
asciilifeform: lolwat
asciilifeform: on what planet
mircea_popescu: the adventure of that unfortunate idiot bailey is exactly that -- the dissemblement of the entire system people like orlov, and like rotblatt, and like every tard in between shat on for a half century.
asciilifeform: oppenheimer could have easily been a saharov. but instead he was stripped of his rank and given a swift kick in the arse when he took up with the left.
mircea_popescu: it's still called the same thing, but it has ~same to do with its own history as today's russia with historical soviet union.
mircea_popescu: !~google "what niggers want is tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit in."
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Earl Butz - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz>; Earl Butz, history's victim. - Slate: <http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2008/02/earl_butz_historys_victim.html>; This Day in Quotes: The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a ...: <http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html>
mircea_popescu: ^ previous system.
asciilifeform: that -- yes, as dead as roman republic.
mircea_popescu: s/orlov/wtf was it. arthur blair's pseudonym.
asciilifeform: orwell
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: i ended up with both mapping to "orlol" in my head now i can't distinguish irl.
mircea_popescu: this isn't to say that the previous system was any good -- it truly was about as good as the soviet union, which is to say worse than nothing.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-07#747518 << mr mold's chronology )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-07 11:41 asciilifeform: usg1 - 'idealism', attempt at actual federation of independent states; usg2 - strong federal / centralized, slave states alive; usg3 - slave states zapped, vestiges of state autonomy removed, capitalism; usg4 - the one we know and love.
mircea_popescu: in typical ignoramus fashion, he is missing the jackson us in there, annexing florida and shit.
asciilifeform: that's 2
mircea_popescu: i really recommend against using yarvin's mental models for anything, they're well broken.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, on the face that'd be lincoln not jackson. very different items.
asciilifeform: lincoln -- creator of 3
asciilifeform: fdr -- of 4
mircea_popescu: jackson was an american. lincol was a humanitarian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fdr made 3 not 4, evidently. 4 is more or less kennedy.
asciilifeform: i picked it up because afaik it is quite accurate. the 4 stages are quite distinguishable .
mircea_popescu: it is only accurate if one's account of us history is made after reading it rather than before.
mircea_popescu: there should be a book written about these "earworms" let's call it, little bits of memetic stupid that work on the innocent strictly, and reconfigure what'd have been a natural construction into stupidity.
mircea_popescu: it's 9x% of the us education system by mass.
asciilifeform: fdr centralized , e.g., academia, created the familiar grantola trough, magicked modern fiatola into existence. quite definitively the builder of usg4.
mircea_popescu: we'll never agree on this point.
mircea_popescu: in any case, roosevelt was about as fascist as mussolini
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same ideas throughout (which is not surprising, mediocre men reflect the fashions of the age, news at 1100 ad.)
asciilifeform: the paralytic gold confiscator was very much the undertaker of the earlier (carnegie, rockefeller, et al - producing) culture.
mircea_popescu: yes, but that earlier is arguably the rarara monroe doctrine us "european power" of jackson
asciilifeform: they -- had a dying spain to eat.
asciilifeform: so naturally 'rahrah'
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: see ? but none of that LARGE and important thing is in yarvin.
asciilifeform: sure it is.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ya.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the hamilton-carnegie us has a) little to do with the jpmorgan-rockefeller us, and also entirely nothing to do with the jackson-nixon-bush us.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a nation you're discusing, it's a spot of dog vomit, a chimera of isolated cultural pockets.
asciilifeform: hamilton & carnegie ?!
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean "cultural pockets" as in, people from chicago talk funny. i mean isolated cultural pockets as in, the jefferson-hamilton debate of 1700 is still live and kicking in 2000, argued in the sense of dumb rehashing by the same people in different costumes.
asciilifeform: what, ~century apart ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.
asciilifeform: describe plox the split between whatever it is that connects h & c, vs jpm & r.
mircea_popescu: the agitolalia re "progress" is especially funny in a place that's literally still playing the same plays.
asciilifeform: 1700?!
asciilifeform: 1800
asciilifeform: omfg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alright. there's two ways to look at money, once you agree (as all of these do) that the principal function of money is to organise human activity while avoiding the costs of http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044
mircea_popescu: one is to regard it as a symbol, the other is to regard it as a property.
asciilifeform: money-is-property, as i understand , is the old, demolished civilized world.
asciilifeform: money-is-symbol is hamilton->lincoln->fdr->kennedy->obummer et al.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't really enter into any of this. you asked for a disjunction i gave you the genus and specific difference.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't mean you're now at liberty to savage all over the livingroom finery.
asciilifeform: i dun see any finery, but only 2 symbols of which mircea_popescu seems to say i do not know the meaning.
asciilifeform: so let's expand plox?
mircea_popescu: ok, what're we expanding on nao ?
asciilifeform: start with money-as-property
mircea_popescu: it wasn't in my text.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646480 << ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 13:49 mircea_popescu: one is to regard it as a symbol, the other is to regard it as a property.
mircea_popescu: yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red.
asciilifeform: aah hm
asciilifeform: ( omfg the poverty of english !! )
mircea_popescu: the hamilton school, money as symbol, attempts to construct a grammar of the world wherein money is a word like all the others, and with it finally complete the ancient kaballah task of reading the true bible.
mircea_popescu: the jpm school, not being jewish, simply aims to you know, resolve THE PROBLEM of this property, like they'd cure the common cold or the misfortune of being black.
mircea_popescu: which is why eugenics sticks to one but not the other, say.
asciilifeform: this is a point.
mircea_popescu: the classification of ideas is a very useful scholarly discipline.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/51uVA/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VzRKK/?raw=true << sent. what odds do you figure ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~0
mircea_popescu: i guess so. 80yo by now ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: in other laughs, https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170417
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Ihgo4 << and then debian revokes his commit. as if it weren't 'tor exit node operating', haskell-teaching, fine folx who made debian what it is today, poetteringolade
shinohai: "In the meantime, the Debian Project has taken measures to secure its systems by removing Dmitry's keys in the case that they are compromised." This will in no way affect our ability to provide you with compromised keys.
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't get it : the russians did it.
mircea_popescu: had the usg terrorist organisation done it, it'd have been all a-ok by these wrecker's lights.
mircea_popescu: anyway, vaguely curious if the russians are actually going to try the espionage case or just bury the schmuck in a hole somewhere.
asciilifeform: dun look like espionage case
asciilifeform: moar of a colourrevolutioning case
trinque emerges from the gentoo cave, like the Lord, three days later
BingoBoingo: Resurrection happens
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr-monero-ring-solution-coinbase-presents-gdax-has-goxlike-phenomenon-and-another-hoaxtoshi/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend (TM)(R): Monero Ring Solution, Coinbase Presents GDAX Has Goxlike Phenomenon, And Another Hoaxtoshi
asciilifeform: qntra ddosated ?
trinque: appears that way.
asciilifeform: trinque: how did the gentoo go ?
trinque: musl and x11 are angry at each other yet, something to do with the way x11 loads modules
trinque: I dug a glibc trench for now while I fiddle with musl+X
trinque: also have an apu2 on the way which will be a dedicated gentoo+musl. I'll write up the unboxing and gentooing of that guy when it arrives.
trinque: re: musl and X, you have to tell it in xorg.conf what order to load modules in. had this for intel, but don't know the proper incantation yet for amd/ati
asciilifeform: trinque: what kind of drive will you use in the apu2?
asciilifeform: ( it has sata plug, but no room in the case for a 2.5 inch disk; typically people get 'm-sata' laptop-style ssd for these )
asciilifeform: iirc it has 3 sockets for the latter.
asciilifeform: i disrecommend the use of the sd card hole, it is (unsurprisingly) agonizingly slow.
asciilifeform: ditto usb hole (they are usb2)
trinque: probably yep, m-sata gumstick drives
trinque: there's a decent store 10min away that stocks about as well as newegg, can go get something once I have the apu2 and see what will fit nicely in the case.
trinque: "Micro Center"
asciilifeform: we have one of these also
asciilifeform: it ate, some years ago, a similar one, 'comp usa'
BingoBoingo: Aha, comp usa didn't sell machines. They sold "service plans" and "financing"
BingoBoingo: more moldylocks pr0n http://www.returnofkings.com/119637/we-should-thank-emily-rose-nauert-for-scaring-women-off-becoming-sjws
asciilifeform: ftr the 'revcontent' -- '16 things flashlight sellers don't want you to know about the 16 best selfies taken before death' etc. is loathesome
asciilifeform: and the author of the linked www oughta be horsewhipped.
asciilifeform: for a supposed enemy of the empire, to host that liquishit ( incidentally it is produced in concert with traditional spammers, i have an entire mailbox that has become unusable because it takes in flashlight spam faster than it can be removed ) is a disgrace.
BingoBoingo: I have no idea why flashlight spam, also recieve said genera in spades.
BingoBoingo may be becoming spamblind
asciilifeform: the most irritating imho thing is that the crud is EXACTLY the same on ~all 'popular' www.
asciilifeform: not merely similar, but SAME
asciilifeform: exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp
asciilifeform: because apparently he thought that being a public whore is worth the fivebux/mo or whatever it paid.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but i find it difficult to take such a fella seriously.
asciilifeform: rly, fivebux? was worth it ?
asciilifeform: cynical sc4mz0r, is what it suggests. like m. kaiser, or g. beck, et al.
pete_dushenski: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62-3/ << $55k for 28yo toyotruck not enough! reserve not met. bonkers bubble. cc trinque ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/
pete_dushenski does not vouch for efficacy of 'tactics'
ben_vulpes: i'll take one busted 20-year old f350 tyvm
pete_dushenski: 'bout the size of new f150. popular choice.
pete_dushenski: lol all of ontario rental properties now subject to 'rent control' capping rate of increase at that of inflation WITH MAX OF 2.5%YOY. because if inflation is higher than 2.5% it doesn't count so don't be a terrorist mkay. lol that place is so broke.
trinque: that thing's in beautiful shape though.
pete_dushenski: it was also only $20k new.
ben_vulpes: what's that after adjusting for inflation?
pete_dushenski: of course, same could be said of air-cooled porsche or 50s ferrari, but neither of these sports cars were made in the kinds of quantities the toyotruck was. then again, the quantity of unrusted, unbagged units probably isn't all that far off the mark.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646492 << very much enjoyed this thread, even though (because) i needed to re-read it a dozen times before it ~almost~ made sense☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 13:52 mircea_popescu: yes. it doesn't mean "money-as-property" in the sense of "old destroyed world, i get to keep my money". it means money as property in the sense of, money IS A PROPERTY of other objects. like being the color red.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: good point. it's probably $120k adjusted for inflation.
mircea_popescu: sooo here's a free business idea
mircea_popescu: flag toilet paper.
mircea_popescu: i know i'd pay a premium to wipe my ass with argentina for years to come.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646539 << eh enemy of empire, gimme a break. dude's an enemy of having to personally work, thassall. empire told him the way out is via "celebrity" because "publicity", he's doing what was told.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 18:12 asciilifeform: and the author of the linked www oughta be horsewhipped.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646545 << fake news is fake news what.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 18:16 asciilifeform: exactly same liquishit on 'the guardian', 'new york times', and this derp
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646560 << #trilema being possibly the only place in the history of letters that takes sensibly longer to read than it takes to write.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 20:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646492 << very much enjoyed this thread, even though (because) i needed to re-read it a dozen times before it ~almost~ made sense
pete_dushenski: it's really not hard to spend two hours a day reading logs just to check all the obscure and arcane references. and that's before reading all the links.
mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra slow but present.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646551 << this is of 0 connection to squirrels infesting house in a town ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 19:59 pete_dushenski: in other nuts to crack, one for asciilifeform http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting-tips-and-tactics/4-key-tactics-for-successful-squirrel-hunting/
asciilifeform: ( just try an' shoot anything, even a piece of paper, here. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646550 << this is rather like those 5000 $ 'playstations' etc. on ebay. money laundry.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 19:54 pete_dushenski: http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-toyota-land-cruiser-fj62-3/ << $55k for 28yo toyotruck not enough! reserve not met. bonkers bubble. cc trinque ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's worst case scenario, shoot skvirrel and gasenwagen comes early ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646565 << afaik these are only available with american flga☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 21:19 mircea_popescu: i know i'd pay a premium to wipe my ass with argentina for years to come.
asciilifeform: *flag
pete_dushenski: pretty much, ya
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they dun bother with trials over here, for 'we saw white terrorist with RIFLE!!'
pete_dushenski: simple solution to that : go blackface!
asciilifeform: would have to be mexiface (?) here
asciilifeform: ( how'd that work.. how do you shorten by a foot ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-20#1646573 << loads here.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-20 21:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra slow but present.
pete_dushenski: claim pituitary issue for gigantism
pete_dushenski: works for banana hands (tony robbins)
asciilifeform: i gotta ask : would pete_dushenski actually pay 60k $ for that rusty truck ?!
pete_dushenski: not really gangster enough, nor sporty enough, for my particular tastes. $60k isn't crazy for A truck, but not for that one imo.
pete_dushenski: i'm also cheap ukrjoo so not really saying much
trinque: plus reliable / nice looking toyotas have not yet been canceled.
pete_dushenski: ^
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that this even seemed like a possible thing to do.
asciilifeform: old 'cessna' -- sure
asciilifeform: ~maybe~
pete_dushenski: what this ? 'classic car' ?
asciilifeform: the linked auction
pete_dushenski: and who the fuck wants old cessna ? guaranteed death trap.
pete_dushenski: 40yo boeing is one thing, but old cessna ? nothx
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: they last ~forever
asciilifeform: 1940s machines still going strong
asciilifeform: it ain't a car, has no suspension, no gearbox
asciilifeform: outside of engine, ~0 wear
pete_dushenski: but... freakishly, frighteningly tiny. one pilot affiars are no-go afaic.
pete_dushenski: might as well ride motorcycle at night with no headlights and no helmet
pete_dushenski would wear helmet if he motorcycled
asciilifeform: i never quite understood why american motorcyclists wear'em
asciilifeform: it isn't as if it will do anything against their usual mode of death -- being thrown into oncoming traffic
ben_vulpes: there are many less traumatic failure modes helmet mitigates against
ben_vulpes: it also mitigates against point of motorcycle which is to go out in style and at speed
mats: being on the road at all is terrifying
mats: so many twits on their smahtphones
ben_vulpes: mats: you ride?
mats: nope
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason that is the usual mode of death is helmet laws.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, their usual mode of death would be "rode over a pebble"
mircea_popescu: and in other "holy shit i love this place" lulz : i bought three fresh coconuts for a thousand colones today ; and half a dozen superb riple mangos for two. this comes to almost 10 kgs of produce for six dollars total. then further down the street proceeded into telas tienda, selling authentic silk brocade, five bux the double-length metre. and it is silk, straight from the worm's ass. it burns, the grain feels right, you nam
mircea_popescu: e it. plus you know, a whole section of actual linen.
ben_vulpes: in other "ain't got nuffin to say, but gonna say it anyways" entries: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2014/10/27/bitcoin-mining-is-np-hard/
ben_vulpes: princeton, stating the obvious as far back as 2014
asciilifeform: and the vacuously true
asciilifeform: nobody gives a nanofuck if tx-knapsacking is nphard or not, esp. if it ever turns out that hashingcolliding is not.
asciilifeform: ( which remains not merely an open question but one to which no approach of any sort is known )
ben_vulpes: and in mega-spittoons: https://kolemcrae.com/microsoft-you-seriously-need-to-fix-your-skype-and-microsoft-account-issues-this-is-insane-6fd51e104caa