tmsr - Log 2017-05-09

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653599 << happened all through south america. it's not "considered food" i nthe sense that "it's expensive", and they have some vague intuition as to the whole "in parismadrid they go to mcdo to experience american -- and SO DO WE111" ; however they are poor and cheap food is cheap food and they have local shitholes that "invented foccacia" sell them "pizza" or whatever, produced according t ☝︎

mircea_popescu: o the "scientific methods". by the cubic mile.

mircea_popescu: you should have seen the cheap "pizza" places in buenos aires. ~nobody cooks there because they're idiots, they survive on take-out and barbecue a few times a year.

mircea_popescu: and take-out is this very specific thing. subway bears the advertisements thjat tell the story, "rated largest quantity of muza per porcion". muza dude. petrocheese found a new life down there.

mircea_popescu: they're into fat fried pork rinds down here. item is 98% hamburger.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653603 << you're starting to get in touch with your feminine side! welcome to the ancientest experience of alterity still in common use today! how do you find it ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:25 asciilifeform: i for one have nfi why anybody at this point would want to 'experience american', rather than run as fast as his legs would carry him, in opposite direction.

mircea_popescu: "i have nfi what receptive member of a sexuate species would want to "experience sex" rather than run as fast as legs would carry in opposite direction."

mircea_popescu: they gotta hold the she-waterbugs in front of a frog to get them to cooperate, yo.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, sex means copulation, the usual reproductive behaviour in sexuate species.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653607 <<< aaahahahaha. fitting, fitting. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:32 asciilifeform: in yet-other, lulzier-yet lulz, https://archive.is/wRzSJ >> 'Trayvon Martin, the Florida teenager whose shooting death by a neighbourhood watch volunteer in 2012 prompted a national debate over racial profiling and civil rights, will be awarded a posthumous university degree in aeronautical science that reflects the 17-year-old’s dream of becoming a pilot before he was killed.'

a111: Logged on 2014-02-07 18:06 asciilifeform: re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry'

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: honestly, i was hoping for something more along the lines of, "trayvon martin, the idle hoodlum who tried to beat up the wrong guy and got it as a result has finally received a less idiotic name. he's going to be exhumed and reburied as travis martin later this week"

mircea_popescu: well ?

mircea_popescu: it's what the spanish'd have done!

mircea_popescu: i'd propose anyoen with a degree from the same place and an ounce of self respect worth would return it, but then again it's transparently a ploy by whatever rando nonuniversity's too-clever-by-half administrator.

mircea_popescu: ie, the program is probably brand new etc.

mircea_popescu: "Thank God for those strict gun control laws in Chicago, otherwise the place would look like Texas." << i lelled.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol wait wut, urbit bolting v to the side ?

mircea_popescu: well, who knows, mebbe learn some thang.

mircea_popescu: but yes, he seems to misunderstand it.

mircea_popescu: "In future, it would be great if I could just accept any old patch, from any urbit down to the merest comet, as long as it was sealed by ~zod. In general, I would find it comfortable, knowing that everything my urbit was running was a collection of patches, each of which had a signature, or a chain of them, originating in the urbit claiming authorship of that patch." << wtf.

asciilifeform: hey, beelzebub burned the great-inca-star-topology into his bios in the womb

mircea_popescu: ssl certs for v, basically ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, i was thinking exactly this, wtf they managed to re-bolt central approach into it.

asciilifeform: just happens in what passes for his head. just like modular arithmetic 'happens' in the head of the folx who never learned to count above three.

mircea_popescu: if what happened in those heads were modular arithmetic, they'd even be useful.

asciilifeform: ( hey, it's how chinese remainder theorem was, supposedly , invented. commander lined up soldiers in columns of 3, 5, 7... )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653615 << well, first and foremost, being at the same time a food conduit that works in conducting food, AND something cool to tell chicks at obscure http://trilema.com/2017/from-the-bounty-of-the-internets-mp-was-right/ parties. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 21:43 ben_vulpes: what are those again? being the wholly-owned sillycon valley bitcoin/namespace table?

mircea_popescu: see, because currently the george costanzas of the world are stuck : either they go work for nbc, which does pay ok but makes women in bars laugh in their face shrieking "imagine! he writes sit coms! and he tried to USE IT!11"

mircea_popescu: or else they gotta go you know, in the raft, like that chinless douche / president of nbc with a crush on elaine. which doesn't supply food.

mircea_popescu: this great dilemma must be integrated, thought the hipster doofus, and so urbit or whatever. start-up culture.

asciilifeform: not quite typical 'hipster startup'. in the sense that tsetse is not a typical fly.

mircea_popescu: well, there's a difference between typical and common. tsetse in fact quite typical.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653632 << needs to be SEEEEENNNNNN ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653635 << hire more "security", you totally need it and besides -- look how much it helped trump! or for that matter didius julianus. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 23:39 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/XsgTu << in other petruses.

mircea_popescu: the weird shit people will believe.

a111: Logged on 2015-04-07 00:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090176 << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever.

a111: Logged on 2015-04-07 00:10 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.

mircea_popescu: rather.

asciilifeform: in other not-quite-noose, apparently it is impossible to a) portably b) open a file for UNMOLESTED (e.g. no 'magic' char interpretation) i/o c) detect EOF.

mircea_popescu: in other news, why the fuck isn't there a rapper named cashew ?

mircea_popescu: he could style it ca$ew, his byline could be "i'm nuts for money", goof studd.

mircea_popescu: i mean good stuff.

mircea_popescu: lol!

mod6: <+asciilifeform> gentlemen, get yer gnats in working order. will need them shortly. << cool!

mircea_popescu: time them like an arrow!

shinohai decides to go the distance, channel inner Gregor Mendel, and await fruit flies.....

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in nets, https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5fxfb4Cr21rxe4oto1_1280.jpg

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other lulz from ye olde heathendom, https://archive.is/Cvsb7 << Well for quite some time now there's been no serious betting venue outside of WoT and handshakes.

asciilifeform: what'd it even mean to have a 'serious betting venue outside of WoT and handshakes' ??

BingoBoingo: English has a poverty of conjuctions, trying to use an exclusive sort of "and"

BingoBoingo: WoT coupled with handshakes is all that remains as opposed to the time where WoT was also coupled with BitBet

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1668.5, vol: 19001.53354274 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1674.988, vol: 9300.46603 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1727.2, vol: 21527.09727852 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1331.237106, vol: 10591.21950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1699.0, vol: 6751.62059638 | Volume-weighted last average: 1638.09863047

mircea_popescu: lol. bb is a fan of the sampam story ?

mircea_popescu: it threatens to run long, dozen plus episodes etc.

BingoBoingo: Alcoholism, Bitcoin, and the timeless infant republic saved BingoBoingo from possible Sam-ism

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-08#1653633 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 23:23 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-4-sam-and-pam-were-separated/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 4 - Sam and Pam were separated

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: brought to you by the same 400 yr puritan blight as 'graham cracker' ( look it up, the original ~deliberately designed~ shitfood , for mortification-of-the-flesh )

asciilifeform: 'sub-dissociative' nonsense, yes, for you an' me; opio-cocainiferous goodness by the gigatonne, until head explodes, if he wants, for lizardman.

a111: Logged on 2014-06-18 00:36 asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up

asciilifeform: mustn't permit cheap , satisfying pharmasuicide to compete on level market with expensive, frustrating, slow konsoomer-goodz-suicide.

asciilifeform: if a civilization can't win against dope od in an ~even~ match, it belongs in /dev/null.

BingoBoingo: Anyways how would the CIA lizards have any money at all without their trafficking business

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the premise for civilisation competing with dope od is finally here. prior to recently, the dorks were still needed for muscular power -- first, brute, then, finely controled by a cns, primitive as it was.

mircea_popescu: but these days, even the fine motor control of hominid ain't worth jack. and so...

mircea_popescu: but this promises to be yet another pandora box. obviously and of course.

mircea_popescu: in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653756 << well noshit.jpg, it motors along whether the inmates like it or not ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-09 05:06 mircea_popescu: in any case, a civilisation is not a sort of supermarket leaflet, to be judged by how well and how thoroughly it satisfies your perceived needs.

asciilifeform: but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type ☟︎

asciilifeform: whereas even in recent past, say 19th c britain, crown did not give half a fuck if you preferred opium to society. or whether you wanted to get on a boat and never be met with again, etc.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653745 << it looks like self circa 1890s. when, e.g., opium, cocaine, were sold in corner shop, and most folx in fact had ~better things to do~ than to take'em ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653746 << lizards are for practical purposes ~immortal , but they do sometimes die of ennui. sometimes this takes the form of dope od. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-09 04:53 BingoBoingo: Lizards are vulnerable to accidental dope OD too

asciilifeform: incidentally, happy apple-conclusively-failing-to-buy-russia-in-'45 day, folxx.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-09#1653759 << no, no. the sad fact of the matter is that what people want is without exception stupid and harmful. not even one, both. a functional civilisation provides people with a good story as to why they're getting something other than what they want. whether what they actually get happens to also be a) what they actually need, as opposed to $random ; b) actually competitive with the vario ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-05-09 12:42 asciilifeform: but it is still possible to observe that it -- preoccupied with plugging whatever escape holes -- is in fact of 'gulag' type

mircea_popescu: us environment threats, such as you know, other civilisations, volcanoes and aliens landing is entirely up for grabs. these points make the good/bad adequate/inadequate distinction, not whether the "inmates" "like" it in their "hearts of hearts". for one thing they're not inmates, lacking the capacity of outmating ; for the other thing they can't like and for the third they've no heart of hearts.

mircea_popescu: they can't be not-inmates.

mircea_popescu: yes. and every once in a while one gets hallucinations.

mircea_popescu: pathology is no basis for anthropology.

asciilifeform: prison is not part of man's physiology either, and escape is not pathology, wtf

mircea_popescu: monkeys are social rather than solitary. this goes with "have two limbs and opposable thumbs". how exactly they make use of those limbs or invest that sociality is also up for grabs, but doesn't speak to the principle.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your definition of prison === human condition.

mircea_popescu: sure. we weren't discussing prison size.

mircea_popescu: if your theory of man had any feet, solitary confinment weren't regarded as the mother of all torture. physiologically, people lose their minds. maybe you or i wouldn't care, or maybe we think so in our ridiculous, adolescentine misapprehension. but this anecdote doesn't do much.

asciilifeform: it is possible that solitary prisoners go mad from simple boredom. notice that nobody is ever imprisoned in a library. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: afaik they get a book a week or some shit, i dunno, haven't followed.

mircea_popescu: it's not implemented by the batiscaphe, at least not usually.

mircea_popescu: still, the boredom angle... let them prove all the theorems yes ?

mircea_popescu: i guess.

mircea_popescu: truth be told, the human brain isn't either intented or designed to exceed 30 years of continuous abuse.

mircea_popescu: people go mad with age anyway.

mircea_popescu: apparently they can even make phone calls o.O

mircea_popescu: can also get... television. gimme a break.

mircea_popescu: and no, definitely can get books. apparently no actual limit, either! mostly because... nobody ever fucking wants any.

mircea_popescu: dude americans are weird.

mircea_popescu: can get family visits! "o noes, it's through phone/plastic windows!!"

phf`: the one dude who reads through chemistry textbook in solitary also probably doesn't make the headlines of "horrors of solitary"

mircea_popescu: it seems rather certain at this point that us "SHU" ~= being locked in library.

mircea_popescu: that nobody makes use of the library part seems rather a comment on the nobody.

asciilifeform: or that the other subtle torments dissolve the man. e.g. what they feed him, or the light that never goes off, or guard waking up hourly at night.

mircea_popescu: i dunno about the last point. they used to pay someone for just that, in the middle ages.

mircea_popescu: but yes, i expect prison food is a shade below rather than a shade above what they feed the cattle normally at the mall food court.

mircea_popescu: strangely enough, none of the people i knew in jail ever complained.

mircea_popescu: nor, come to think of it, wanted books.

mircea_popescu: cigarettes, yes.

mircea_popescu: whores, if at all possible, definitely.

mircea_popescu: a steak ? can't recall. gardner's math amusements ? nope.

mircea_popescu: well my experience is ancient and from outside the best korea

mircea_popescu: phf` seems you have an interest in the item ?

mircea_popescu: "cuizine" lol. promising start.

mircea_popescu: "Quite frankly some of the tastiest food I have ever eaten was cooked in the microwave by inmates." o brother.

mircea_popescu: see, alfie ? social behaviour. the dude will gladly state a nonsense to the outgroup (us) to gratify the ingroup. he's not even a part of it notably, but he aspires to see himself and hopes to be seen by us as if he were.

mircea_popescu: he'll oppress his own tastebuds gleefully for this purpose.

mircea_popescu: phf` discorsi da letto, no more.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's in phf's search.

mircea_popescu: o look, squeeze cheese. ever more promising.

mircea_popescu: wtf is with all the ramen anyway. they've no pasta where these people live ?

mircea_popescu: speaking of this, here's something to piss alf off in so many ways :

mircea_popescu: http://www.npr.org/2010/04/06/125630808/orange-is-the-new-black-in-federal-womens-prison

mircea_popescu: ah ok then

mircea_popescu: ahahaha. really, chicks in female jail pretend to be butch for money ?

mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

mircea_popescu: "Mix a can of Cherry Dr. Pepper with instant coffee, cocoa, cappuccino mix, a carton of milk, and some leftover sugar packets to make a drink that tastes as close to cognac as you will get in prison."

mircea_popescu: bwhahaha.

mircea_popescu: gimme a break, anyone who's someone can get a bottle or two of whatever they like. wtf.

mircea_popescu: i suppose the keyword being "you".

mircea_popescu: anyway. this phf` - enabled short survey through the us penitentiary culture leaves me unimpressed. not much of a culture, is it.

mircea_popescu: then again fwih ru prisons also went to shit. all hope left is i guess brazil ?

asciilifeform: in other lolmatics, https://archive.is/MVqGZ >> 'As bitcoin rises, Mt Gox approaches solvency (vs. claims). Now Reddit users are asking @MagicalTux to reopen. They even new designed logos.'

mircea_popescu: reddit users were rendered obsolete by "ai" back in the days of minsky.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've known gents who genuinely preferred living in prison you understand.

mircea_popescu: all hope for noretard area.

asciilifeform: i'm neither solzhenitsyn, nor even weev, but would seem to me that this'd depend ~entirely on the other jailbirds

phf`: “One day Trurl decided to build a reddit user, but he was afraid that Minsky was going to built one before him. Meanwhile Minsky was building a reddit user of his own, and was trying to hide him from Trurl. etc.

mircea_popescu: lol kharm lives!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thing is, loser jailbirds get killed in normal prison.

mircea_popescu: so you can actually end up with selected space where, to quote in translation, "with any luck i can go an entire week without drinking after an idiot"

mircea_popescu: you only get bitch wars when there's a ww2.

mircea_popescu: if the dorks outside don't slosh too hard, what're you gonna get.

mircea_popescu: some fucking peace and quiet.

mircea_popescu: and for the record i've not that much respect for solzhenitsyn. yes, very accomplished child, child nevertheless. so he famously went and told mommy things and mommy really cared. good for the fucking tuna ; meanwhile what the fuck is he to know about the point in discussion.

mircea_popescu: alt-language orwell.

mircea_popescu: the item was not yet borne into being that'll force me to include anything. he's welcome to figure prominently in any she-anglotard "story of prison".

mircea_popescu: doesn't really have much to do with either prison, or my book.

mircea_popescu: the contention is that he wasn't in any position to understand the working of the mechanical details, for all the shit between his eyes.

mircea_popescu: orwell, technically, was physically present in india the dominion. similarly, failed to understand the working of the mechanical details, similarily for all the shit between the eyes : more committed to not admitting he's a shithead than to understanding anything.

asciilifeform: is it given to anyone to properly grasp the mechanics of the selfsame woodchipper he is being ground in ?

mircea_popescu: perhaps.

mircea_popescu: sir thomas more may well be a sufficient example.

mircea_popescu: did they catch the homeless dude responsible or still shopping around ?

mircea_popescu: and to continue the penitentiary discussion : i don't seem to see all the fuckwits insisting that black dudes being jailed constitutes some kind of racism etc notice that a) google will serve you the "37% non-hispanic blacks" figure on a search for "us inmate population by gender" front and center, because who cares what you're actually searching for, have some nigger figures in any case and b) there's only 12k women for 175k

mircea_popescu: men in the federal system.

mircea_popescu: this DOESN'T constitute some sort of misandrism, and it's NOT time to change the laws to you know, punish more girly shit ? how about 5 years in jail for watching netflix without a partner, speaking in a shirll tone, being fat or being obnoxious ? and striking male crimes suck as you know, fucking, from the books ?

jhvh1: asciilifeform: What do feminists think about the ' glass cellar '? - Quora: <https://www.quora.com/What-do-feminists-think-about-the-glass-cellar>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar ? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck-glass-cellar--They-change-bulb-theyre-there.html>; Glass cellar vs Glass ceiling (85% of the worst rated jobs are held by ...: (1 more message)

mircea_popescu: i would say that in order to rectify historical injustices, there's strict need for about

mircea_popescu: !~calc 175 * 175 / 12

mircea_popescu: about 2.55mn women in jail by fall, to sit there two or three decades at the latest.

mircea_popescu: start giving them six months for going around dressed and obnoxious shit like that, i say.

mircea_popescu: and if anyone has any objections, hey! "don't do the crime if you can't do the time" or how did the http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/niggers-rights-by-randall-munroe-560x570.png bullshit go.