mod6: good. how about you guys?
shinohai: Good here ... looking over asciilifeform 's paste from earlier
mod6: werd. feel free to ask if you have questions.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, washpo aggitating over how trump gave putin "Secret Infoz!"
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that a) trump decides what's secret and what isn't and b) lolreally ? wtf did the blue state imagine diplomacy is ? reading the fake news outloud ?
trinque: trump loves suing people; what prevents him as president for suing the rag for libel?
BingoBoingo: In other news I think I accidently acquired alf's pole saw from hell
BingoBoingo: Fucking piece of shit has "automatic oiler" that consists of leak half of oil reservoir between filling and picking up saw
trinque: they sell the oil I take it?
trinque: if not, not getting the full printer-ink out of the scam.
BingoBoingo: trinque: It uses standard 90 weight bar and chain oil
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: my dad's electric chainsaw leaks like a leeb too
BingoBoingo contemplating sawing "fuck electric line" renting CS-800P and taking the whole fucking tree down
BingoBoingo: Constantly readjusting chain tension happens with small bars, nbd. Dumping 90 weight straight through alleged "reservoir" and calling it automatic oiling is sin.
BingoBoingo should have heeded alf's warning on the concept of pole mounted chainsaw and simply skipped to 36" bar and attacked tree at the stump
mircea_popescu: i thought you just keep uncapped barrel of oil around, dip chainsaw in now and again.
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's how you cut metal with not a chainsaw
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
☟︎ BingoBoingo: And no, Apple is not as big as Sears was. Apple sells no iHouse, and Apple has never conducted a public service on the scale of Sears donations of toilet paper to the masses that they wrote off as marketing
phf: “What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
☟︎ phf: i somehow thought that stack overflow programming was a non-reflective activity, sort of like "hello sir madam, howdo i write network program in java??" comments on popular "epoll vs. kqueue performance analysis" posts back in the day
phf: apparently not, there are people out there who believe that stack overflow programming is not just a viable strategy, but the only available one :o
diana_coman: phf, the sad reality is that "school" nowadays *teaches* kids stack overflow/monkey copy/paste/ you-can-program-without-knowing-maths as "the way to learn"
diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
☟︎ phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
☟︎☟︎ phf: i saw a rambling talk by peter norvig (he called it "as we may program", considering the complete lack of substance that's as bombastic reference as it gets)
diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
☟︎ phf: ...where he made a point that "computer science" has become an empirical science, done through experimentation, and "look it up on stack overflow" is part of the process. i thought he was joking
diana_coman: ugh, I can't seem to find a transcript of the thing
phf: reading, like some kind of terrorist
phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
☟︎ diana_coman: well, 45 minutes to watch the video seem more like 45 minutes wasted; tbh the title reference doesn't bode well either
phf: well, he also wrote an ai textbook with exemplary lisp
diana_coman: he got... googled and has no more lisp to offer :|
phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:47 diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 07:50 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter the lulzy story of how us "coalition" works out in practice. "gee, i wonder what happens if we have no soldiers and keep paying arabs to soldier for us...."
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:28 phf: “What was it like to self-learn programming before Stack Overflow? (2016) (quora.com)”
mircea_popescu: it fucking didn't, which is the fucking point. ~IT~ didn't.
mircea_popescu: but they're not learning anything, which is to say, as a self-transformative activity. they're "learning" in the sense of "raising awareness" about themselves, which is to say : they expect, or rather act as if they rightfully expected, that the whole world changes so as to accomodate them as they are. that's the whole story of this "learning".
mircea_popescu: then they show up at the office and expect it to be "the office", and why should people have them do work, just make an offer already.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:37 diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
mircea_popescu: worst fucking franchise in history, but whatever, it had subtext about blacks and shit, such art.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:53 phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657324 << funnily mirror of the "We used to go out and talk to women, which was interesting, but it turns out you don't need to do all that, as there's all these... um... uh... massive...errr... data..sets, yeah, that's right, massive datasets to explore!"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:03 phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
mircea_popescu: story of kid who gave up on dating because he finally discovered masturbation, all hail Saint Elliot Rodgers, the martyr of his people.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:05 phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
mircea_popescu: so they installed all the trampolines and tubes and whatnot, and guess what -- the retards spawned by the dumbest generation of autists in history LOVED IT!!11 omaigerd it's literally like being six all over again! there's even stylisized changing station on the wall to remind us of how mom "had to" keep us in diapers till we went to school! OMG LOVE!!!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:39 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
mircea_popescu: 2013, right ? PUBLISHED. online. "nobody knows". oh, who's mp, that guy who pre-leaked the original cable leak by like a day and forced guardian & friends to release ??? NEVER HEARD OF HIM!!11
mircea_popescu: i'd ask what firebase is but by now it's getting ridiculous.
ben_vulpes: i only have the vaguest idea from #saltminesocial
ben_vulpes: 'saas' thing that...does user related stuff? i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: the way scum reproduction works is that when scum's tiny it does dumb shit like this and nobody really cares about it ; then as it grows up it moves to stealing mysql and naming it something else, like facebook.
ben_vulpes: probably tastes great with react native
mircea_popescu: ie, the us krill is laughably vulnerable while tiny, sometimes transitions into outrageously mendacious through growing larger.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:50 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
a111: Logged on 2015-08-29 19:40 phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
mircea_popescu: vory/suka, for the record, is this ancient dispute in ru penal system, whereby it is verboten for respectable criminal to help the government. this going about as far as the jews, dudes won't push a fucking button.
mircea_popescu: then stalin gave amnesty for people willing to fight zee germanz, and a bunch went. when they were picked up later for going back to the life... well... there were some philosophical disagreements inside.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still can't fucking believe the ivan ivanov thing.
mircea_popescu: they tried to copy what they thought the great america was doing.
mircea_popescu: their copy has all the virtues of a xerox of a statue.
mircea_popescu: right. stalin had the right idea -- some remnants even visible under putin.
mircea_popescu: but the best thing that you could do as google manager is, have swat teams round up all the employees in a field somewhere, randomly shoot 10% and tell the rest the next round of shooting is in six weeks, they'd better impress.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: they attempt to emulate this in safe-space style with "stack rankings"
mircea_popescu: vlad tepes famously offered lavish banquet for the city poor (which at the time meant, men crippled so they can not work, are reduced to begging). he gave them ~ two hours, after which burned down the thing / guards cut down anyone trying to get out.
mircea_popescu: efficient market hypothesis -- he correctly judged that by the time music is being played and dancing is going on, the faux beggars had pushed out the real ones.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 23:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fave story re: tepes: 'Некогда же обедоваше под трупием мертвых человек, иже на колие саженых, множество бо округ стола его; он же среди их ядяше и тем услажашеся. Слуга же его, иже пред ним ясти ставляше, смраду оного не могии тер
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but the usual retellings don't include the EMH reference, there's no explanation as to why it worked.
mircea_popescu: it works for the same reason ratios don't work in prisons etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the romans didn't think. the romans did.
mircea_popescu: the romans specifically and explicitly despised men that thought.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the most important thing being that they must be ~shot~. it's not that you lose "standing in the profession you were befouling". you must lose unrelated things.
mircea_popescu: don't like the guy's driving, shoot his kid. sure, "kid is innocent", "that was uncalled for" bla bla. point fucking remains -- now he has to make another one, which takes no driving. at driving -- he sucks, so he can't appreciate what that means. putatively at other thing he doesn't suck nearly as much, so he CAN appreciate.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-29 05:22 asciilifeform: as in, hot iron.
mircea_popescu: this is what education is all about : putting the inept's ineptitude in terms he can understand. simile is the fundamental device thereof.
mircea_popescu: and the simile is, "if your lungs and liver and etcetera worked the way you code, you'd be just as dead as this guy."
ben_vulpes: not giving the practice any sort of legs to stand on, merely pointing out the american plastic version of another correct republican thing.
ben_vulpes: worm relegated to the bowels of amazon because never ranked over three, and never at risk of firing because never ranked at two is happy to munch turds forever.
ben_vulpes: oh and participate in #uraniummine social
mircea_popescu: the amusing thing being that these are in the vast majority male. for all the black eyes women get for free.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 15:20 asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
ben_vulpes: the female lykkins get impregnated by the male lykkins and then spend all their time bitching about how his salary isnt enough for her and her spawns needs instead of you know buckling down and cooking, cleaning, making the shelves and other fixtures herself like any wife worth having.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's curious, the "drakula" thing is phonetic misnotation. the guy's father, vlad, was surnamed dracul /drakul/. drac means devil in modern romanian, but it also meant dragon at the time (1400s). dracul is articled form, -ul is how you make "the x" from "an x". the man got the surname because of german decoration he wore, which to locals looked like dragon.
mircea_popescu: now the ~kid~, was named draculea /drəkulea/. this is a diminutive, exactly in the way "little boots" worked in latin. the term'd denote exactly that, little dragon-guy spawn.
mircea_popescu: if alf had a kid and he was worth a ro name he'd probably be alfisor
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the misnotaiton : it's not /a/ it's /ə/. dr/ə/kula.
mircea_popescu: heh. the web progresses, alf. what do you want all those old websites for.
mircea_popescu: (notice how this cycle goes ? i recall a 1990s large font craze also.)
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ?
ben_vulpes: not wrong so much as very fittingly /silly/
mircea_popescu: (amusingly -- flaubert allegedly spent $longinterval trying to decide which temperature reading is the correct number, between 19 and 17 or somesuch. or maybe it was proust. anyway.)
mircea_popescu: also amusingly, but on purpose, this sam story is becoming quite the intertextual lulz. it's a joy.
mircea_popescu: moreover : can you prove they're not redditards ? how exactly.
mircea_popescu: adds to the amusement. is it me who talks to bots unknowingly ? or is it...
trinque: asciilifeform claiming a distinction must still point to the distinction!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ? << This actually might be most right
mircea_popescu: leaving the aesthetics aside for a minute to focus on the technical -- i imagine these are testers, ie, "whether it works". no links.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory of yours is flawed. there is no such thing as purpose in nature.
mircea_popescu: purpose is an after the fact construction. like "religious artefacts"
mircea_popescu: pasteurization exists not because l. pasteur WANTED TO {preserve milk ; get recognition ; fuck more chicks} but because pasteur COULD.
mircea_popescu: which is why a good hospital is the one where the doctor says "well mr p, here's what we could do to you" as opposed to "here's what we want to do "
mircea_popescu: but -- wild beast "purpose", to reproduce, to eat, etc.
mircea_popescu: the clear proof (for the expert) that purpose is meaningless is the simple fact that if you accept it, then it follows as universal, whereas if you don't accept it, it's universally absent. this is always and everywhere the fate of null notions.
mircea_popescu: once it's obvious that either everything has a purpose or nothing does, it's therefore established there is no such thing as purpose.
mircea_popescu: now, let us quote that idiocy with "either everyone has justice, or no one does" ? or leave it for later.
mircea_popescu: and be right some of the time, and write the regexp for it.
mircea_popescu: sort of like background radiation making life impossible.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 15:26 asciilifeform: (interest in the subj is slim, on account of miller-rabin probabilistic test provably converging - i.e. probability of catastrophic failure can be made smaller than probability of machine flattened by asteroid the same night)
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mircea_popescu: because we didn't take seriously whatever random dork last made a social media post about things and matters and saving bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: hey, the great again is going great, all the us "corporation!!!" turds popping like overstuffed frogs.
mircea_popescu wonders if he'll actualy be going on american safari this decade, no less.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind chasing some usians around a little from a truck before finally shooting to maim and leaving them for dead.
mircea_popescu: remember back when obamschev days, apple had like 30bn hoard of cash, the "economy" had "recovered" from crisis etc ?
mircea_popescu: even unemployment was down. nobody knew what inflation was...
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to sell the whole "corporate and venture capital" VHS tape to idiot kids considering "their future" if the radio shack goes bankrupt.
mircea_popescu: both legal and sane, like the dual aspect of particles.
mircea_popescu: should be funny because bureaucracy also seems to think 1 microsoft and 1 intel also suffice.
mircea_popescu: "leveraging the synergies" or how's it called, "ironing out the waste and inefficiency" ? anyway. why need apple when has windows and intel ? samsung can make the tablets as usg.intel profit center.
mircea_popescu: proper research should be conducted in proper lab with note from hitler and those inept access control lulz.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure i took girl through walk among erlenmeyer glasses etc.
mircea_popescu: mortar and pestle, graded pipettes, tube for your own burning, bunsen burners you could hook to same thing as stove, etc.
mircea_popescu: kickass burners, too, mechanically adjustable for flame temp!
ben_vulpes: no i don't actually remember any of these marvels
ben_vulpes: i was raised under the glorious unified apple toolchain
ben_vulpes: i wonder if my old ship still works on their network
mircea_popescu: in other news, wtf are they talking about, "death threat." they call it "life insurance", why the fuck is it a death threat. it should be a life threat.
mircea_popescu: not like dude's threatening to go around the cemetery and make you be alive against your will...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: he wrote a browser for pre ios mobile devices, it funded some half-decade of reading, fathering, beach-shitting.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that kramerica industries aka the new york living wage dept funded a decade of kramer's reading and beach shitting.
ben_vulpes: b-but limited supplies mircea_popescu !
ben_vulpes: what not sinking, that's a tidy pile of usd is it not?
mircea_popescu: hey, by the time nobody's buying the blades of grass, this uppity tortilla v2.0 will be just about ready for the abstruse tardstalk posts.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 500 / 1800 * 256 / 4.5 = 15.802469135802468
mircea_popescu: it's almost like that tyime when mp said silk market is a joke and then it turned out couldn't sell a pound of coke over xmas.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of schmuck who bought the silk road pound of coke.
mircea_popescu: it's almost like i might suspect it was sold by fed coke repository and bought by fed coke repository.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 22:32 asciilifeform: 'one time we got lost in the woods, and i was afraid that i would have to eat Tippy. then we were rescued, and i put Tippy back into the fridge, next to the other sandwiches.'
ben_vulpes: the only retards who sell drugs by the pound even in tardlandia are the potheads.
mircea_popescu: whatever, considering the "Fake it til lyou might eventually make it" attitude prevalent among the herd, it migh've been a nickle bag everyone kept pretending.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually, drugs reach market by the ton, so that's evidently false.
mircea_popescu: anyway, that was the original "sting" re silk road, some narc pretended to be a seller there ("hacked account, ie social engineered) and tried to sell pound of coke, nobody was buying so dork in charge decided to buy it on his own accouint. to "save face", because apparently "drug marketplace" that can't place a pound somehow has some face to be saved
mircea_popescu: ~all comes back to the eternal "i'm a dog that thinks on the internet nobody can tell i'm a dog."
ben_vulpes: i still don't buy this imperial unit drug trade thing, but never having seen either metric or us tonne of any kind of product, will have to defer to those claiming knowledge
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes are trucks in the us weighted in metric or dumbass ?
ben_vulpes: i understand "reach the market" mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: do find it funny that mircea_popescu eschews the "muh characters have a mind of their own!" line
mod6: i gotta catch up with latest sa
mod6: last run is underway...