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a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.is/OExoO >> nsaware using ~second~ intel fritz chip boobytrap, found
asciilifeform: in other lullies, https://archive.is/OExoO >> nsaware using ~second~ intel fritz chip boobytrap, found
asciilifeform: the fritz chip starts from mask rom, the contents of which are unknown (and potentially unique per-batch at factory) and it in fact brings up the remainder of the cpu
mats: (referencing next-gen fritz convo from earlier this morning)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally: i fully expect the ~next~ generation of intel fritz to use nic-independent trigger (e.g., magic string in memory)
asciilifeform: 'fritz chip or HaveProblems'
asciilifeform: HAVING THE FUCKING FRITZ CHIP is the backdoor. not somebody-not-nsa-learning-the-key.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's what the 'trusted computing' / 'fritz chip' / etc. thing was about. and that it was about this, was obvious in 1995.
asciilifeform: 'bitcoin on fritz-chipped box is a paypal' is a physical fact.
asciilifeform: 'next, bestest ethertardium, now seeek000red with fritz chip'
mircea_popescu: trinque i thought your car was on the fritz
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar the reader is with early us colonial history - but the british uniquely pretended that all trade must go through british warehouses. in london. they kept laoding and unloading things. so they can be taxed. exactly like the notion that an imaginary "right" of someone to something may require me to do specific things. ie, the fritz chip.
mircea_popescu would pay for an apu2 board to be destroyed if anyone wants to drill the fritz and report what happens.
asciilifeform: apu2 also theoretically boots with coreboot (there is no, incidentally, any other kind of bios available for it ) but it has a fritz chip and you cannot switch it off
asciilifeform: fritz ? nope.
asciilifeform: i had nfi that we were even buying a 'fritz chipped' box.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nah, i don't take the capital equipment out romping amongst anarchist, the antipersonnell hardware's on the fritz
asciilifeform: what's better than usgwallet ? usgwallet on fritz chip !11
asciilifeform: (rom will be difficult to read passively, and the most practical way would be to restore whatever antifuses they blew that prevent debugging of the fritz core, and attach debug probe.)
asciilifeform: though if i could get at the rom, betcha it will not be necessary to break the rsa key. there is some unwritten rule whereby the fritz sig authenticators are always porous.
asciilifeform: and whatever other interesting fritz keys.
asciilifeform: 'AMD’s PSP is based around a single 32-bit ARM Cortex-A5, with its own isolated ROM and SRAM but has access to system memory and resources. It contains logic to deal with the x86 POST process but also features a cryptographic co-processor.' << they stuffed, finally, their 'fritz chip', into the g-series.
asciilifeform: 'private keys found on AVM Fritz!Box firmware images' << some router.
asciilifeform: the ~aimed~ endgame, we already knew in 1990s, Official Microshit Linux, with all of the idiocies in one pot, and nothing else will boot on new comp, because signing key in fritz chip.
BingoBoingo: No, fritz and drug testing were.
mitch_callahan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-11-2015#1322423 << sorry MP, this thing went on the fritz.☝︎
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-10-2015#1290944 << one of the saddest casualties of disfunctional technology i've heard of in ages. like a mother typing her dying words to her son (in irc, naturally) and having her keyboard fritz out. or something.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 20:52:25; mike_c: the keylogger is on the fritz
mike_c: the keylogger is on the fritz
mircea_popescu: "Trusted Platform Module From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Fritz-chip) Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor,"
mircea_popescu: so : those could as well be the remote part of a fritz chip
ascii_field: (regardless of what the fritz is made of)
ascii_field: see log, also, for why the approach where the whole computer is not inside the fritz is laughable on its face
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip << the reason they don't call it that is because they are trying to avoid the literature documenting the costs of making it hard and the limitation its softness imposes.
ascii_field: incidentally, the only reason fritz chip was not pushed more aggressively is that it was really intended to prohibit linux
ascii_field: aha, then relies 100% on fritz chip.
ascii_field: boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip (and yes, i will keep calling it that, because the motherfuckers don't get to pretend that fritz, palladium, etc. never happened.)
ascii_field: aha so relies on fritz chip.
assbot: Fritz Learns to Catch Compilation #1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQ5GAD )
thestringpuller: scoopbot on da fritz
decimation: http://www.acmeportable.com/products/netpac#specs-section << here's one, only weighs 24 lbs and comes with a fritz chip
BingoBoingo: “Excuse me…” at that moment when the new nurse looked up from changing a bed pan, “Doctor Fritz!” Shannon yelled in amazement. “No it’s Nurse Charlie tonight,” he responded before she could question any further.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: decimation: easy riddle. 'fritz chip' was finished, shipped, now ubiquitous. no more need for group. << Not chip, but Fritz has a lot of history
asciilifeform: decimation: right. why place 'fritz chip' as a distinct physical bugger, where it is both apparent and easily manipulated.
asciilifeform: fritz chip carries on as a diversion only, not an honest effort. the folks in usg with remaining working neurons realized after 'clipper' that a plainly labelled bull's eye - is dumb.
decimation: Trusted computing group is indeed the author of the 'fritz chip' specs http://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/resources/tpm_main_specification
asciilifeform: decimation: easy riddle. 'fritz chip' was finished, shipped, now ubiquitous. no more need for group.
thestringpuller: nothing is more epic than fritz lang metropolis!
gribble: Fritz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz>; Has your computer got the "Fritz chip"? [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1020851.html>; Microsoft's Palladium and the "Fritz Chip" - Free Republic: <http://209.157.64.200/focus/news/707684/posts>
asciilifeform: ;;google fritz chip
decimation: 'fritz chip'?
asciilifeform: phun phact: infineon makes the 'fritz chip.'
asciilifeform: ah yes, the old fritz chip.
mircea_popescu: fritz machlup ftw
jcpham: heat pump onthe fritz