mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're running your own metal which you don't want to colo because you figure it's actually cheaper in your own house sort of thing ?
nubbins`: dem recent advances, dem increasing hardware requirements, etc
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt they actually use poettering stuff either, but what do i know
nubbins`: try modelling HIV spread on a 486
mircea_popescu: so... if what you do is a good idea, this sort of problem can't possibly exists.
mircea_popescu: if the problem exists it's a prime indicator you're wasting your life.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends which. the oil prospectors that make money do.
undata: asciilifeform: oh I don't know, the others don't look particularly hospitable
mircea_popescu: anyway, the issue should be addressed irrespective of how obnoxious X kiddo is.
mircea_popescu: every step of the way of technology is sound and can be rested upon.
mircea_popescu: you don't HAVE TO update anything, and if it sucks you don't update.
mircea_popescu: seems 1905 steel girder bridges still work just fine, and yes you can do anything you want done on 486s. heck, it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it than it is to buy the monolithic "custom made" tool.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't do worse than you, that's a prime signal that you're insane.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am at this very moment running a 64 GB amd-a8 quad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10459 @ 0.00036952 = 3.8648 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a fine theory an' all, but i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: so you get twice the clock, and i get two of them. sure, there are SOME problems that are provably unsplittable.
BingoBoingo: If I sound grumpy, it is only because I have come across too many idiots of the "it can't be done" persuasion lately, the kind of managers who have an aquarium in their office because fifteen brains think better than one.
mircea_popescu: fuck, for that matter, this thing is universal. so the us only makes "high performance" bullshit antibiotics of doom these days ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 47 @ 0.07762629 = 3.6484 BTC [+] {16}
mircea_popescu: wake me up sometime when i care. i've been using sulfmetoxazole forever, and i intend to continue.
mircea_popescu: half a cent a pill, indian factories dedicated to its preservation in amber.
mircea_popescu: this idea that "we'll gavin all over the blockchain technology and everyone will follow" is out of a holywood movie. not how reality works.
mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to.
mircea_popescu: but that ended a few years back, and "upgrade" is headed right into the "please install our browser toolbar extension" and "act now!" bin.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to. << What happened was Microsoft's "Let's mimic the Auto Industries idea of the Model Year" won even if MS could not execute on it
mircea_popescu: they came up with "smart phones" ? fuck them, i never upgraded, i still use actual phones. samsung is jumping over backwards to supply the market. they cost nothing. etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much yeah. and then Dull Gates dragged the entire "industry" of nitwits along with him.
mats_cd03: but a smart phone makes me smart. :(
gribble: Current Blocks: 332643 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 47 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 56315518647.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 40.76251
mircea_popescu: but i recall that even before the first cray, kiler micros did better than the mainframe.
mircea_popescu: this hasn't somehow magicked away just because whoever likes to sell to the gubmint
mircea_popescu: and nobody seriously reviews fraud that involves public funds.
BingoBoingo: Was last difficulty 40,300,030,328 if so then dropped
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know what you're saying, but i think it's much rarer than you make it look, a problem that doesn't take well to chickens.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 996 @ 0.00115186 = 1.1473 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: not that i'm against oxen or anything. but seriously, trying to sell me on braindamaged chickens with three beaks as a sort of unavoidable oxen ?
mircea_popescu: if your problem can be approached with 2014 "state of the art" killer micro, it can also be approached with killer micro that was state of the art in 2009. that's the whole argument.
mircea_popescu: somehow having this magical problem that fits just right in this otherwise narrow space seems very improbable.
mircea_popescu: but, sure, every broom shoots once. if a broom shot you once, you have my deepest simpathies.
cazalla: jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? <<< anything contained in a <blockquote> as those length documents are, do not count towards word count
mircea_popescu: what, and 31 bit registers are closer to functional than 28 bit registers ?
mircea_popescu: but 31 bit doesn't work anyway. it's either 32 or 16. that's it. you don't get "closer"
mircea_popescu: some things are discrete, an' being an ox is one of them things by definition.
cazalla: adlai: nubbins`: yes, but it could ignore text within blockquote tags <<< this is correct, it does ignore them and this is actually one of the first things discussed when qntra was launched
mircea_popescu: which is why "two oxen" is actually misleading. either it's one ox, or else it's an infinity of chickens. no twos here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00036952 = 4.5451 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if it does, i can't see why you wouldn't have your own, terrahertz bus.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, you're stuck in a paraeconomic crevice over there.
mircea_popescu: whereas the point i was making was kinda you know, in general.
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform speaking of the fast memory thing, did resistive ram go anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: science died. << "and yet we can't conserve tech in amber".
mircea_popescu: it's not like there;s an actual dichotomy. you can have a ramdisk or a diskram for all it cares.
mats_cd03: based on my observation of news on this front, 'memristors' seems likely its rapidly becoming feasible and affordable
mats_cd03: not that i know anything at all about how this stuff really works.
mircea_popescu: i thought so too, kinda wy i asked. he seems in the prime market to care about em
mircea_popescu: which can't happen because hey! where is my nsa letter ?
adlai: oh you're talking about that other nsa
kakobrekla: nsa check, bitcoin foundation check, ... whats next, usg?
adlai: after reading a bit more about the scamosphere, in my mind, "usg" now gets pronounced "usagi"
adlai: which raises the question of how "usagi" is pronounced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00037104 = 17.5687 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 134 @ 0.00851058 = 1.1404 BTC [-] {5}
punkman: "We never thought a video would be watched in numbers greater than a 32-bit integer (=2,147,483,647 views), but that was before we met PSY. "Gangnam Style" has been viewed so many times we have to upgrade!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18241 @ 0.00037128 = 6.7725 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: "The CIA's strength and effectiveness as an agency depends upon its ability to employ a workforce as diverse as the nation it serves."
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Might as well go. They'll prolly station you in Russia.
thestringpuller: "Your first assignment is to become friends with this man *displays picture of Snowden*"
mircea_popescu: how about the cia's strength and effectiveness as a potato ?
mats_cd03: nah, your first assignment will be to befriend mp.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Either one. Given the CIA's history of applying diverse hires I would expect thestringpuller to be assigned to somewhere lilly white or otherwise homogenous. Probably in a deep cover role
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you totally have to read more qntra. help fix the quantcast demos.
mircea_popescu: so now since the b-a notary system is down, i can't check on wtf taxes mpoe has to pay
mircea_popescu: we're back to the fucking state crap and we've not even revolutionized yet!
mircea_popescu: Gavin Andresen, "chief scientist", received $209k of "reportable compensation" + $2,884 of "other compensation", for more than $212k. Apparently the foundation thinks it's better to pay one guy $212k for writing blog posts and giving talks and interviews than paying three guys $70k each to work on the software the whole pyramid scheme currency depends on.
mircea_popescu: Lindsay Holland, assistant director, received $160k + $2,512. I have no idea what she's doing, other than writing press releases, uploading conference videos to YouTube and giving interviews about how she's paid in Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: "tl;dr: The Bitcoin Foundation exists so a few people can pay themselves generous salaries and play important. Also, they seem to depend on the Bitcoin price rising seeing they lose money on revenue vs. expenses."
mircea_popescu: well, actually, it currently has enough for a few lunches,
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about, tons of people working on it from what iv'e seen ?
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure the state of the world is that the one non-mythical person who knows cpp is asciilifeform and he loathes it.
BingoBoingo: Naggum now lives in the realm of the mythical
adlai still wonders whether polish is better applied to turds than, say, shoes, or nails
undata: adlai: use it as fertilizer, grow something more palatable
adlai: what grows from turdilizer is not a turd, though
BingoBoingo: My nostrils can testify that this as of this fall turds were still a more popular fertilizer in my area for corn and soybeans than anything other.
adlai: are you being forced to look at them?
adlai wonders whence the Second Foundation
adlai: that's not really news to me, beyond the details about the heater (congratulations, I guess?)
adlai: although think of it this way - if you shat in gold toilets, you'd start dreaming about building Gold Woman
BingoBoingo: We know not when the war ends, but they enemy knows even less so!
adlai: only the dead have seen the end of war
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00037205 = 14.5658 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | Qntra.net ... (
http://bit.ly/1FL4pch )
undata: oz competing with the US for "worst former british colony"?
assbot: Text - H.R.5777 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): To protect cryptocurrencies. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress ... (
http://bit.ly/1CDo1CQ )
undata: BingoBoingo: the "protect" has me nervous, but that was the guy accepting bitcoin donations
undata: “Many [doctors] are dropping out of the profession because it’s overregulated. Now, what may happen to the bitcoin community is that, if there’s so much regulation, there’ll be a lot of people who say, 'You know what, I’m done with this. I’m not gonna do it,' and it’s going to crush the industry.”
BingoBoingo: “Excuse me…” at that moment when the new nurse looked up from changing a bed pan, “Doctor Fritz!” Shannon yelled in amazement. “No it’s Nurse Charlie tonight,” he responded before she could question any further.
BingoBoingo: At times it has been a little confusing and difficult to keep the two separate. “On rounds the next morning I’ll ask my residents what the patient’s Is & Os were. They will tell me the nurse didn’t chart them appropriately. So I’ll wander over to the charge nurse and say who was taking care of Ms. Johnson last night –and of course it was me…”
mircea_popescu: undata yeah, bitcoin totally depends on the sorts of derps that care what some government says.
mircea_popescu: their absence "would crush the industry", except they never mattered in any sense.
mircea_popescu: it's good he didn't spend all those donations on "forum software" then
mircea_popescu: "Hello, sorry if there is another thread for this kind of post, but I couldn't find one. I'm looking for the best and brightest IT pro in the bitcoin community to be the lead developer in a venture backed bitcoin startup company. The ideal candidate would have at least several years of web application development experience, having built applications from the ground up. A solid understanding of oop and software arch
mircea_popescu: itecture is a must. Experience in a start-up environment is a plus, or just being super hard working, self-motivated, and creative.
mircea_popescu: Compensation can be in the form of equity or a salary, or somewhere in-between."
BingoBoingo: I just wonder how the fuck is this his first contact with the law when the fucking FBI and Treasury Department drove down from Peoria to meet me?
BingoBoingo: Maybe this is the first formal subpoena, but... The shit that happens on the forum and his only reporting a DPR subpoena nao???
BingoBoingo: Not... When the US attourney was doing discovery, but NAO HE REVEALS SUBPOENA???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00036668 = 9.0937 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: guessing here: you don't need a subpoena to browse the internet during an investigation, but you do need it to take that same internet page to court as evidence?
adlai: ... kinda like your bot that signs pages
mircea_popescu: adlai generally, you only need it to twist the arm of pois.
decimation: "The CIA confirmed to Fusion that for the last two promotion cycles to the Senior Intelligence Service, 40 percent or more of those who were promoted were female."
decimation: re: two strong oxen << Cray died with Cray, unfortunately, its corpse lives on.
decimation: But asciilifeform is right - the raw brute horsepower per watt of 2014 hardware outpaces 2008 hardware, notwithstanding retarded implementation
decimation: and by horsepower I mean "ability to perform arithmetic and convey the results in a timely fashion"
decimation: and asciilifeform is right, the usg folks who 'compute' have no problem running poettering shit if it 'gets the job done'
decimation: mircea_popescu: re:
http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-38/ << a comment at the bottom: "Frog Do Says: IMO, “Moldbug studies” remain one of the more fertile areas of research for the American Outer Right. More interesting info in that “Trilema” piece than anything on Ferguson."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00037398 = 33.6956 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: I don't think what we do here is 'moldbug studies' but I think the channel is at friendly to some of his conclusions
decimation: at any rate, people with brains recognize novel thought
mircea_popescu: i think that's an artefact of approach. in this sense, my pieces loling at usg feminists are properly "Feminist studies"
mircea_popescu: just like you know, pissing on an anthil is "ant deluvionation" if you're looking at the world from an ant.
decimation: yeah I buy that. more like "Feminist studies" than bitching about some nerd wearing a shirt with scantily clad women
decimation: re: follow-up on those 'oath keepers' who 'volunteered' to guard businesses in Ferguson:
https://www.facebook.com/duane.weed.54/posts/988857591129752 << "This past Wednesday (11/26), local police were advised in private briefings that the police (i.e. Federal agencies) now consider the Oath Keepers the threat, not the New Black Panthers, the pro-Michael Brown demonstrators, or ISIS."
decimation: "Early this afternoon, I confirmed (through a private source) what I have suspected since last August. Namely that the daily telephone interaction between MO Governor Nixon and the White House has involved Ms. Valerie Jarrett not the POTUS."
decimation: who knows if this guy is legit, but if what he is wrote is true, USG apparently views a group of actual people acting of their own free will to be a much greater threat than rampaging rivers of meat
decimation: Nick Land seems to be taking quite a liking to bitcoin-assets thought
mike_c: no room on qntra amongst the daily australian bitcoin news for a piece on coinbase becoming an exchange now? such xenophobia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70700 @ 0.00037783 = 26.7126 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Coinbase is not news. They exist. Their changing shit slightly totally not news. If qntra was a thing when they introduced their wallet less node thing, news. USD paypal wallet thing not news.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Unless you can do charts for it...
cazalla: mike_c, despite my being an aussie, it's not bias, simply interesting news coming from down under past few days, the coinbase thing is meh, plenty of sites have usd type wallets, who really cares imo, they can add the iraqi dinar and maybe i'll post that
mike_c: this has nothing to do with wallets
mike_c: it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly.
BingoBoingo: The Aussie stuff though did come as a huge dump.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.10020039 = 3.006 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Coinbase was always an exchange... just a slow one.
mike_c: *no. you couldn't hold USD on coinbase. now you can.
cazalla: and i don't want to be seen to promote the idea that holding usd on coinbase is a good idea either
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00038236 = 16.4797 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you can news it up, qntra worthy prolly. Just when Australia had an orgy of pieces on the wrong politics...
mike_c: this is silly. where do you think US qntra readers buy their bitcoin?
BingoBoingo: I thought US people bought bitcoin in Tijuana from Sinaloa
cazalla: mike_c, buying and holding 2 different things, i use similar sites but it's a one way street
BingoBoingo: I'm coming around to this maybe being newsworthy, but as someone without a bank account I think another USian could do a fairer take.
decimation: mike_c: where else to us qntra readers buy bitcoin? otc?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1255 @ 0.0011992 = 1.505 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: mike_c, you're always welcome to write it up, pocket some shares in the process
mike_c: qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I actually can see a case for people to buy BTC off of CoinBase and pocket them elsewhere, provided they are willing to lose USD to the machine's quirks
decimation: eh, if they sell and deliver, that makes them a worth market participant right?
decimation: I think the complaint is that whenever the price moves, coinbase suddenly has 'issues'
BingoBoingo: decimation: Or it robs the waterfall of the ability to paper BTC
BingoBoingo: ALright I've set my timer. If someone else volunteers to do a COinbase has a USD wallet too nao, I won't give it a one sentence writeup.
cazalla: mike_c, it's also a question of priority, there is little to be gained by giving the coinbse news top priority when it is top of reddit and other bitcoin news sites
mike_c: huh? I don't want to read reddit and other btc news sites. i thought this was whole point of qntra.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> qntra is not #b-a news, it is 'better than coindesk' news. i doubt they use otc. << this is a point, but srsly, write it.
BingoBoingo: Point. I'll write it in a few if no one wants to give it a treatment.
mike_c: fine, I'll write it up.
mike_c: this is what you get for complaining around here. work!
cazalla: mike_c: it is now an exchange. hold $$, hold btc, trade at will instantly. <<< is it an actual exchange or continue to be market maker?
mike_c: with tightish spreads though
BingoBoingo: I think they tend to still sell themselves as a broker
BingoBoingo: Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> this is what you get for complaining around here. work! << real do-ocracy over here.
cazalla: <mike_c> this is what you get for complaining around here. work! <<< there are plenty of bids for s.qntra shares on MPEx. BingoBoingo and I can't cover every single story, I have no intention to sell my own shares so anyone with the inclination to earn a bit of btc can cover what we miss and sell their shares if so desired
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Effect will probably be to make BTC to USD transactions a bigger pain in the ass on their platform the next runup << yup.
BingoBoingo: Honestly the situation with qntra shares is that if you want them you write, or buy into something kind of bubbly. I mean there's far less shares than BTC
Vexual: what u mean bubbly fool?
Vexual: I cream truck don't need no windsheild wipers
Vexual: I'm not sure how that relates, but it sure is some business science
decimation: what if it is raining funnel web spiders?
Vexual: you ain't gonna sell no icecreams
nubbins`: it's raining funnel web spiders
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You and your non-z80 based nintendos
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i bet this new one breaks within a year or two too
BingoBoingo: Maybe. I also bet I can get more interesting pokemans in my version blue on the original game boy
mircea_popescu: that's what trilema's for. eldritch horrors for everyone.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2014 06:07:03; cazalla: btw my brother had the WR for fastest complete time for pokemon red on twin galaxies
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Cousin had red, brother had yellow
mike_c: cazalla, how do i submit this turd? pastebin?
cazalla: mike_c, it can be polished via cazalla@fastmail.com.au
BingoBoingo: mike_c: emailed to either of us works. If editorial at all to cazalla after the pete_incidents.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, should i file this under scams/fraud? :P
mike_c: for the record, i was not really complaining about the amount of australian news. I'm read that stuff and am interested. It was just concerning that coinbase does stuff like expand to 20 countries and enable instant trading with no mention.
mike_c: makes me feel like i'm missing out on stuff.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Prolly not. fiat/btc interfaces is prolly fine
mike_c: plz. you filed changetip under investment.
BingoBoingo could have a Coinbase USD wallet if I could ACH...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prepaid debitcard and cash for my USD needs.
BingoBoingo: Simply no need or cause for having a full featured USD bank account
BingoBoingo: UNless they changed shit since last I checked.
decimation: BingoBoingo: how do you get paid? bitcoin?
mike_c: he gets paid in qntra shares
decimation: you should under the stump like that one fellow
mike_c: cazalla: cool, thx for quick publish and light touch on editing.
BingoBoingo made the mistake of going to Library school. "All of these old people are going to retire soon" they said. "People want technology skills they said" as they sort applicants by facebook.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 19:37:58; asciilifeform: now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.
punkman: most interesting news for the day
cazalla: didn't occur to me despite logs earlier
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I totally failied to recognize major event is major.
cazalla: in hindsight, could've prepared an article for the moment diff changed
mircea_popescu: yeah, some base of prepared articles for sopme stuff is not a bad idea.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe include bitbet odds favoured it despite last minute bets
decimation: the us tardstream media *loves* pre-planned events
punkman: how hot would the flame need to be to do that?
mircea_popescu: there's no way to build a case out of that if rigurously observed outside of fed-fiat.
mircea_popescu: "we know you must convict this guy and won't tell you why or how we found out. sign here."
mircea_popescu: "Yes, I2P or Tor would work for such a website. Freenet is probably more secure because there are no entry/exit nodes to monitor, but Freesites can only serve static content, and anonymous Bitcoin payments don't have a way to include a message with them."
decimation: why would usg care if you were the intended recipient or a random victim?
mircea_popescu: because if one can joejob people this way ima put nuland in prison on federal drug charges ?
decimation: how would one "send" the mail anonymously?
decimation: like, you leave package on the postman's door?
BingoBoingo: I someone who can graph wants to do a longer piece on difficulty drops in Bitcoin's history...
Vexual: don't see much japanese here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00037145 = 11.7564 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Error: "lastseen" is not a valid command.
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
gribble: I have not seen magicaltux.
decimation: asciilifeform: you and the mayor prefer the ghetto :)
mircea_popescu: <decimation> like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?
Vexual: xinxiwang, why so many bitcoiners in sg?
xinxiwang: maybe singapore is a good place for bitcoin business.
xinxiwang: the government follows the law strictly. they don’t ban it.
decimation: xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?
decimation: xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?
decimation: I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?
xinxiwang: oh yeah, they have some other ways.
decimation: xinxiwang: is there a functioning over-the-counter market in the prc for bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: "In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> even in usa, can hold bitcoin. << SO far I can even transact.
decimation: mircea_popescu: tally how many dogs killed?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, a lot more swat derps need to be kiled on a daily basis, to balance that shit out.
Vexual: dow jones industrial all time high
decimation: mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think
mircea_popescu: nothing worse than an aparatchick with a delusion of invulnerability.
BingoBoingo: SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'd personally hold on to acquitting anyone accused of shooting a swat derp, if in his home.
mircea_popescu: just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.
Vexual: australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz
mircea_popescu: take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.
decimation: I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork
mircea_popescu: decimation like one did when patriot didn't sunset, right ?
BingoBoingo: decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat
mircea_popescu: while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.
Vexual: legioinaires get a passport
Vexual: but you don't get to pretend
decimation: if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea
decimation: the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary
decimation: that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"
BingoBoingo: decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.
mircea_popescu: decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know
mircea_popescu: this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.
mircea_popescu: nah, bosnian dude was kinda off-white but not dark enough.
BingoBoingo: I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.
mircea_popescu: im sure they picked on them over disagreements as to how to treat bitchez.
BingoBoingo: In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.
BingoBoingo: A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics
decimation: asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either
decimation: such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism
decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way
mircea_popescu: so google decided spontaneously to redirect me to argentina google.
mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.00036354 = 10.6564 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.
BingoBoingo still amazed white StL people don't realize that bosnians are what keep south city habitable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down.
decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural
decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform food hasn't been a serious geopolitical issue since about 1600.
decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box
decimation: asciilifeform: except historically the city man own's the country man's plows & fields
mircea_popescu: dude this is like saying guy has to "subjugate" woman, as she needs nothing etc.
mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.
mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.
mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release. << Come one, goats!!!
decimation: note that no one is actually employed plowing anymore, except by usg, and those plows are automated machines
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by
mircea_popescu: that the sheer entertainment value of it al is what motivated 99% of the movement.
mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.
mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it
mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.
decimation: actually the few farm folks I knew generally loved the farm, hated the city
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a very specific thing, tho. rural russian kid cca 1920.
mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.
decimation: a modern us farmer is basically a machinist/engineer
decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00037638 = 1.769 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno that the bulava pose any sort of threat to anyone these days tho.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like firing a tank in slow motion at someone.
mircea_popescu: afaik the classical approach mostly intercepts them at perihelion
decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase
decimation: right, and death rays are also terribly common
mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: so your "i'll trust them when they use one" is kinda an unfairly distant bridge.
mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.
BingoBoingo always imagined a perfect "nuclear power" untouchable datacenter would target DC, Beijing, Moscow, and Mecca for its dead hand protocol
decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which lonely place was that video about?
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, this seems like a more likely attack method honestly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One was already made, torrent "Birth of a Nation" Next step has yet to be made.
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2014 00:14:28; asciilifeform: imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with
BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...
BingoBoingo: Lizard hitler has nothing on hawk hitler... dunno I want to disclose how I ended in that scenario...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You'll live long enough for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.1 = 7 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00036071 = 10.8934 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9460 @ 0.00036071 = 3.4123 BTC [-]
Vexual: i get kicked for smoking a reefer now?
Vexual: oh wait, im still here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43685 @ 0.00034269 = 14.9704 BTC [-]
Vexual: thats confucingly fair
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23342 @ 0.00035122 = 8.1982 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18055 @ 0.0003519 = 6.3536 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: soz for more aussie spam :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00035198 = 3.3438 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release <<< plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking!
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, first beyond me, second looks interesting
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous
nubbins`: alternating 3ds pokemon with decapitating bunnies
nubbins`: and projecting latent anger at his wife
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00035504 = 9.1423 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell RagnarDanneskjol looks beautiful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00035926 = 7.9756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00036096 = 2.2019 BTC [+]
jurov: yes. everything bitcoin. and btc. taken (except btc.yt which is mine)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2350 @ 0.00119998 = 2.82 BTC [+]
mod6: nice! i like btc.yt too, just because it's short.
jurov: when entlds started, i applied for some bitcoin.something but registrar considers it trademark
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 6276 @ 0.00119999 = 7.5311 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: they asked some documents to prove i'm owner, so i let it go
punkman: bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation
jurov: anyone who has a registrar who doesn't give a fuck about trademarks, go ahead
jurov: well, if we have someone with +9 diplomacy skill.. try to turn them over?
punkman: register bitcoin founation trademark, try to steal it?
davout: punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek
BingoBoingo: <davout> punkman: "bitcoin.hiv should point to gavin-foundation" <<< top kek << Point to different scamsite every week.
BingoBoingo: Maybe load scamsite of the week in an iframe below a banner that says "Lol, cocks. HIV!"
punkman: could also host "Bitcoin HIV Awards"
kakobrekla: i mean, it stands for something other than hiv no?
punkman: invaluable is a good thing
jurov: yes, like priceless
jurov probes kakobrekla's orifices
kakobrekla: if i say i didnt id admit to being raped
jurov: mircea_popescu knows when to walk on us in
kakobrekla: jurov do you know why trezor guys went with "m/44'/0'/0'/0/0"
jurov: ask slush or st|ck
jurov: they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes
jurov: and..care to explain why's that a problem?
BingoBoingo: Could be a big problem. Constipation is a leading killer of goldfish.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.
punkman: mircea_popescu: hoping to get it back up by end of week
mircea_popescu: looky here : i can't pay teh foundation its tax because i can't link to a justificative document. wtf do i do now ?
punkman: website can go back up if kakobrekla turns it on
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov
http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512
jurov: just send it to btc-dev mailing list
jurov: will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures
mod6: I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet
jurov: invalid signature.. looks like our friend wordwrap
mod6: is it because it wasn't wrapped at 80 cols or whatever?
mod6: lemme see if i can arm-wrestle with 'fing-gmail
mircea_popescu: all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.
mod6: *nod* sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.
jurov: yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described
jurov: lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"
gribble: badon was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <badon> Yes, I'm doing that now.
mircea_popescu: it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00035738 = 3.7168 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ^ Guy bought a lot of GAW stuff, now pissed
mircea_popescu: "You have said that you want Paycoin to take over bitcoin a coin that you said you dont believe in"
jurov: oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow
mircea_popescu: dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: you weren't in any sense and at any point trying to "take over bitcoin", or anything else for that matter.
mircea_popescu: you just... gave a scammer... some of your money. because you're stupid. whole story.
danielpbarron: what's the deal with ethereum going to counterparty? I'm curious as to how your short contracts will play out..
mircea_popescu: you mean my short contracts that NOBODY ABSOLUTELY bought ?
mircea_popescu: for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.
assbot: Yoan Moncada: Is It Now Legal for Cuban Ballplayers to Leave Their Country and Join the Major Leagues? ... (
http://bit.ly/11Umqrp )
mod6: jurov: nice work on your Nov. statement btw. ty!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003575 = 15.7479 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00034967 = 5.857 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: heh i never imagined myself being a beancounter
davout: jurov: you're turning jew
jurov: oh my... even had circumcision
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00034299 = 15.1602 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00036096 = 4.7827 BTC [+]
Anduck: arij: you're voiced already
arij: can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?
Anduck: i'd guess mircea_popescu
nubbins`: various people are in charge of the subdomains
arij: i wanted to offer hosting on behalf of bitvps for a mirror, or whatever else bitcoin-assets may need
Anduck: who runs deeds anyway?
kakobrekla: deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me
nubbins`: and i guess it's having issues
arij: hey kakobrekla, pm?
nubbins`: arij doing his part for la serenissima
rithm: nubbins`, i finally bought a mtte and fram for that print
rithm: i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio
nubbins`: some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0
rithm: it's perfect hanging in a music studio then
rithm: i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too
rithm: a bright orange thick matte
rithm: and ornate black wooden frame
rithm: actually it was linoleum
rithm: heavy stock though
rithm: 2013 bitcoin black friday 1 of 19
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5024 @ 0.00021 = 1.055 BTC [+] {2}
jborkl: thanks to the ddos bot, real mature
jborkl: Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034204 / 0.00036449 / 0.00038342 (1070582 shares, 390.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00035376 / 0.00041472 (10731263 shares, 3,796.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00045549 / 0.00086038 (29859418 shares, 13,600.91 BTC)
jborkl: They were pushing hard, thats for sure
nubbins`: a better question is: any story behind S.MPOE > 0.8 ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00035103 = 1.1935 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55450 @ 0.00035777 = 19.8383 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00036155 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...
TomServo: I seem to recall someone publishing a form letter to be sent to Lawlsky; I wouldn't be surprised by tons of dupes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32634 @ 0.00036165 = 11.8021 BTC [+]
undata: oh linux configuration management tools, the wrong solution to the wrong problem...
undata: burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved
BingoBoingo: tap natural gas storage salt dome, build tower of fire, power miners in hedgehog
BingoBoingo: But if you want to broadcast, same solution... tower of fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00036861 = 12.2194 BTC [+] {2}
undata: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible waste << yes but tower of fire
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00036896 = 8.2278 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base
undata: BingoBoingo: that's clever, get the peasants to silence each other
BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already
BingoBoingo: Thing was moderately interesting as RSS for dummies, but...
BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies
BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted
BingoBoingo: Now the entire internet from 1999 on needs to be tossed to fix the problem
undata: rss is still working just fine for me
BingoBoingo: What was wrong with excite.com and yahoo as a phone book?
undata: if we're hitting reset on things, can I have a computer too?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees
undata: on this alt-history internet, can we have a lisp instead of JS?
undata: this blackjack and hookers browser has no DOM, no filthy CSS
undata: asciilifeform: "It’s maybe what happens when physicists decide to play with computers, I’m not sure." << hear hear
undata: then we try to bastardize the thing into an actual programming environment
undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath
BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol
undata: asciilifeform: he mentions X; I've pondered coming up with a little protocol to talk to a canvas tag with
undata: asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in
undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it
undata: asciilifeform: haha, clojurescript is a clojure -> JS compiler
undata: abstractions atop abstractions atop ...
undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"
undata: I'm starting to see Google Chrome as a trojan
undata: every release adds more "OS" stuff
jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...
jurov: ... for desert ariculture
undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen
undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in
undata: asciilifeform: somebody has to organize it, and fund it
undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?
undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space
undata: but I'm not yet qualified to express that opinion
undata: asciilifeform: vaguely lispy functional programming stuff in python, etc
gribble: Current Blocks: 332752 | Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 | Next Difficulty In: 1903 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32967993286.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -17.59541
mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7307 @ 0.00036524 = 2.6688 BTC [-]
undata: asciilifeform: oh dear, yet more to suggest that nobody in this "economy" can think
undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.
undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate
BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?
BingoBoingo: I thought it was sufficiently endowed rocket to enable time and a Yurt.
undata: asciilifeform: 1) sell cardano 2) get rich 3) fix computing
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> some kid named johnny cowabunga bought << nfw ?!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
☟︎ assbot: You heard it here first: Lead prosecutor on U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's London Whale cases is going to prominent defense firm.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> considerably easier to collect than 'bitlicense' <<< lol what, vespasian v2.0 ?
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: looks like you're planning future work for ro translations of trilema stuff huh?
mircea_popescu: kinda how it goes, pretend like you're a tough ass prosecutor for a few years, get a juicy private practice contract.
assbot: Iran Chamber Society: History of Iran: Parthian Battery (Ancient Iranians, The Inventors of Battery) ... (
http://bit.ly/1FNUm61 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Challenge Preet in single's combat to take over as Bezzel Arbiter for Manhattan
mircea_popescu: this is not like saying "go on a blind date with an unqualified woman", but like saying "take a random dude as a slave 5.8mn times"
adlai wonders how sassanid scientists discovered this effect
BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.
adlai: "660 000 tonnes per year, and about 90 % of emissions are natural" TIL
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, the girl actually lives and breathes.
mircea_popescu: ", and no ancient electroplated artifacts have been identfied." << bs.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought maybe whoever conquered Tyrone took the women and left the dick girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29041 @ 0.0003618 = 10.507 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pretending like "no X were found" is, you know, whatevs.
adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated
mircea_popescu: but i don't happen to favour that sort of standard of evidence.
BingoBoingo: OMG eletroplating doubters are like intermediate species doubters
mircea_popescu: im not in the business of proving to a bunch of idiots that they're wrong.
mircea_popescu: im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).
mircea_popescu: it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble
BingoBoingo: Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.
mircea_popescu: the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...
mircea_popescu: take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?
mircea_popescu: just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.
BingoBoingo: Oh shit!!! asciilifeform Fuck that was a while ago.
undata: however they've done this, bravo...
adlai: "The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist."
http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208 BingoBoingo: Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!
undata: I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane
undata: this being public knowledge
undata: this inversion of belief and reality...
adlai: ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc
adlai: lots of interesting data, and orders of magnitude more nonsense obscuring it
undata: what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane
undata: there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so
undata: a person who can do that is a danger to everyone
undata: there's a distinction there between one who can lie, and one who doesn't know it's a lie
undata: this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me
undata: the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that
undata: what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> fact is, if works, will be used. << so much this
undata: "if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.
mircea_popescu: <undata> what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?
mircea_popescu: undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".
undata: mircea_popescu: dunno, I've met plenty without tits
mircea_popescu: "Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it hard to believe us security sucks.
mircea_popescu: i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.
mircea_popescu: ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?
mircea_popescu: the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye
undata: doesn't this suggest followers which are too sure of "what is" are not good slaves at all?
undata: that was my meandering point above
mircea_popescu: undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '
undata: asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state
gribble: You rated user BlueMeanie4 on Sat Oct 18 13:17:40 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: thinks the WoT should be more like an iPhone;
http://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4. undata: If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i doubt anyone much cares bout teh master key, but anyweay.
undata: seems like even, especially, and most importantly 2+2=4 is out of reach
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, yes -- where "user" means average dummy
BlueMeanie4: well that aint gonna get ya users now will it? ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> possibly author assumed that i read whatever snakepit he linked to it in. << more likely assumed you'll see it in your logs.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 i doubt anyone's much interested in "getting new users". what's wrong with new users getting us ?
BingoBoingo: Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?
BlueMeanie4: the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo meh. more likely, a tweetmeet with some politicos trying to be all you know, talked about.
BingoBoingo: Ah, New York isn't a serious place like St Louis is.
BlueMeanie4: demographically practically different planets
mircea_popescu: reading this steam lispo thing, howdja get so cynical asciilifeform !
mircea_popescu: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid.
BlueMeanie4: personally, I think Russia has a hand in all this
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undata: BlueMeanie4: russia has a hand in what
BlueMeanie4: there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous
undata: ... what problems, the "riots"?
undata: are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise
BlueMeanie4: the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians
undata: there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."
BlueMeanie4: i imagine as a Romanian you are not exactly keen on 'greater Russia'?
undata: these riots play directly into the US govts desire for ever stricter laws
undata: I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman
BlueMeanie4: i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.
undata: mircea_popescu: strategy being to have us strangle ourselves?
mircea_popescu: here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?