tmsr - Log 2014-12-25

asciilifeform: 'Fund with a credit card'

Adlai: i'm almost curious to see what this download is

asciilifeform: dreary usg (and useful-idiots) claptrap.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1160 @ 0.00120495 = 1.3977 BTC [+] {3}

Adlai: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8794707 << we're about to find out the width of the venn diagram intersection between #startups and here

assbot: #bitcoin-assets on freenode is a good one with frequent discussion | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/13wLx49 )

Adlai: ... is it just me or does HN have job ads now

Adlai: hm. haven't poked around this corner of the internet much lately

asciilifeform: 'slur' << i love how these nitwits show no symptoms whatsoever of having bothered to study how secrets were sold historically, from babylon to cold war, etc

asciilifeform: what it actually takes in real life, to establish the kind of relationships needed

asciilifeform: no. why would they do that. we have l33t crypt0-d00dz now.

Adlai: not all secrets are equal

asciilifeform: arbitrators won't immediately run off and do whatever the fuck they like with the secret because... because what? magical drm goggles glued onto their skulls?

asciilifeform: i deliberately didn't even bring up the whole thing's (almost certain) reliance on tor and related idiocy

Adlai: it's also written in C!!!

asciilifeform: it's dreary and insults the reader's intelligence merely by existing.

asciilifeform: https://github.com/u99/slur << lol! empty?

assbot: u99/slur · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1xiAjOG )

cazalla: i remember reading about these u99 guys, have another project named coinmesh

Adlai: oh crap, they slapped a GPL on the null codebase. now every new project must be GPLed

cazalla: really just seems a way to scam donations

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26716 @ 0.00060266 = 16.1007 BTC [+]

dignork: slur - like openbazaar, but no working prototype or code.

asciilifeform: dignork: forget code. the thing, as stated on own site, doesn't even threaten to make elementary sense.

dignork: well, same "Ricardian Contracts", but dumbed down and badly misused.

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00058006 = 34.3396 BTC [-] {2}

Adlai: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

assbot: The Toxoplasma Of Rage | Slate Star Codex ... ( http://bit.ly/13ZGWIM )

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1389 @ 0.00119263 = 1.6566 BTC [-] {17}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 876 @ 0.00119 = 1.0424 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00057674 = 12.1404 BTC [-] {2}

Adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNudxZEIfqU and meanwhile, some sleep

assbot: TATRAN - WW III (Album Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUGKFo )

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thestringpuller: "The richest 500 addresses have continued to accumulate bitcoin through all the highs and lows."

kakobrekla: !s blockchain return hack

assbot: 0 results for 'blockchain return hack' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockchain+return+hack

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6380 @ 0.00055142 = 3.5181 BTC [-] {2}

thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Fiesta_Bowl << so this was really a thing?

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17197 @ 0.00058063 = 9.9851 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00059869 = 5.2685 BTC [+]

decimation: slur << that's the dumbest thing I've heard yet

decimation: asciilifeform: re: ecc dram << the paper claims that they can cause so many errors that it overpowers 'correct one detect two' style ECC dram

decimation: try buying a laptop with ecc dram

decimation: http://www.acmeportable.com/products/netpac#specs-section << here's one, only weighs 24 lbs and comes with a fritz chip

assbot: NetPAC ... ( http://bit.ly/1A74xmT )

asciilifeform: decimation: overpowers << skeptical until demonstrated in field (i.e. x86 pc) rather than laboratory (fpga with custom dram controller)

asciilifeform wrote a ddr2 controller for 'xilinx' chip once. it is amazingly easy to create a dysfunctional one with behaves like, for instance, the one pictured in that paper.

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

asciilifeform: just forget a refresh sometimes. or violate one of the many mandatory command sequences.

asciilifeform: or, or.

asciilifeform: instant strange.

decimation: yeah, that's a fair point

asciilifeform: i experimented with using a 'refresh-starved' dram for computation.

asciilifeform: and even as a particle detector.

asciilifeform: snore.

decimation: as kind of a pseudo analog computer?

asciilifeform: nothing pseudo about it.

decimation: did you succeed in detecting particles?

asciilifeform: not to my satisfaction.

asciilifeform: (certainly detected - something.)

decimation: ideally one would find a simultaneous set of 'hits' over an area so one could backtrack the cosmic rays

asciilifeform: works best with a 'sandwich' of dies.

decimation: asciilifeform: there's probably an nda'ed talmud of errata that is supplied to the actual chipset dealers

Adlai: how would you use it for computation?

decimation: who knows if the authors had access to such knowledge

asciilifeform: errata in dram ?

asciilifeform: times are dire, if errata for dram.

decimation: yeah w.r.t. exact timings, refresh rates, things

asciilifeform: normally these are determined experimentally.

asciilifeform: ask a 'bios tweak' aficionado.

decimation hasn't closely examined a dram datasheet

asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.eng.utah.edu/~cs5780/DRAM_datasheet.pdf << enjoy

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1A76U9d )

decimation: lol

asciilifeform had that one printed & bound

decimation: asciilifeform: did you implement ddr2 bus on an fpga?

asciilifeform: bus?

decimation: I've heard from folks who have that it is a pain in the ass

asciilifeform: it is

asciilifeform: virtually impossible to do well from scratch (vs vendor turdware) without the unobtainable internal docs

decimation: it can be done, it just takes many man-months of experimentation with a particular set of hardware

asciilifeform: incidentally, fpga work shits straight into the faces of folks who think that 'anything can be slow-prototyped'

asciilifeform: you can't slow-prototype a dram controller!

asciilifeform: it's an all-or-nothing affair.

asciilifeform: either runs, or not.

asciilifeform: conform to the timing diagram - or die.

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asciilifeform: decimation: months of experimentation << the end result is a product which cannot be understood, function of which cannot be rationally explained, and which will break on the slightest deviation from the parent hardware

asciilifeform: aka a turd.

decimation: yeah, that's pretty much the case. the vhdl codebase is littered with 'don't touch this' crazy code

asciilifeform will not read or write vhdl for love or money

asciilifeform: verilog is at least tolerable

decimation: vhdl comes with layers of bureaucracy

decimation: all of which is abused by the vendor tools & magically wedged with vendor ip

asciilifeform: xilinx ships a set of identially-functioning turdlibraries for both languages.

asciilifeform: each ultimately a set of wrappers around closed blobs.

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i made an app, called the asciilifeform turd counter

thestringpuller: :D

asciilifeform: most of the more complicated ones being unusable in practice (e.g. ethernet controller that 'expires' after N frames)

asciilifeform: unless you pony up serious dough.

decimation: lol I didn't realize they had 'trialware' like that

decimation: that's hilarious

asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating the last 100+ xilinx threads - the closed architecture of -all- fpga vendors is specifically to enable this 'business model'

asciilifeform: i.e. to prevent you from curing the ethernet card.

asciilifeform: or sata card, or whatever.

asciilifeform: also to prevent taking the design to another fpga.

decimation: plus it's cash in their pocket

asciilifeform: !s hard copy asic

assbot: 0 results for 'hard copy asic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy+asic

asciilifeform: !s hard copy fpga

assbot: 0 results for 'hard copy fpga' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy+fpga

asciilifeform: !s hard copy

assbot: 6 results for 'hard copy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hard+copy

decimation: yeah you mentioned how vlsi asics are all hard copies of fpgas

asciilifeform: not all.

asciilifeform: just the bitcoin miners.

asciilifeform: and other 'on the cheap' jobs.

asciilifeform: but, it is conceivable that - at this point - all new designs.

decimation: actually that reminds me, this is an interesting podcast: http://www.theamphour.com/228-an-interview-with-shahriar-from-the-signal-path-quisquous-quivering-quadripole/

assbot: An Interview with Shahriar from The Signal Path - Quisquous Quivering Quadripole | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1A78JTP )

decimation: the annoying australian and some guy from cleveland interview a guy who works for bell labs designing >100 ghz analog ics

asciilifeform: afaik the only customer is usg.

decimation: as I recall, the guy claimed that most of the high-end fabs use cadence tools

asciilifeform: primarily for electronic arse search machines.

decimation: asciilifeform: yeah and there are some esoteric telco applications too

asciilifeform: aha and they won't even take your job if you aren't using cadence's cell libs.

asciilifeform: iirc

asciilifeform: mircea is mistaken when he writes that china controls ic manufacture.

decimation: yeah the bell labs guy has issues hiring because very few schools are willing to pay the bezzlars required to actually experiment with high-end process

asciilifeform: what does it mean if asia has all of the factories, but is utterly dependant on winblows and a stack of monopoly turdware as tall as empire state building ?

asciilifeform: for which, i will point out, no practical substitutes are known or, afaik, even contemplated anywhere.

decimation: asciilifeform: what it means is that they can enrich themselves privately by stamping out copies and selling shit on ebay

decimation: but doesn't give them a single step toward 'making their own'

decimation: yeah the bell labs guy said that they charge him $500k per year per seat

decimation: which sounds cheap

asciilifeform: the point is not the cost.

asciilifeform: to china, or to me, and you, it's $0

asciilifeform: to any 12 y.o. boy who knows what w4r3z is

asciilifeform: point is the control.

asciilifeform: and the winblows.

decimation: yeah but how are you going to walk into a foundry with your warez design?

asciilifeform: depends on who's foundry

asciilifeform: but that also isn't the point

decimation: if you pay $mils per year, people know who the hell you are

asciilifeform: point is that 'w4r3z dangle' is a time-honoured usg tactic.

asciilifeform: see the siberian pipeline incident.

asciilifeform: chinese semiconductor industry, afaik, runs almost 100% on warez.

decimation: so if a chinaman owns a foundry, and can get design warez, why not build & design own chips?

asciilifeform: because - in all but one out of thousand cases - why???

decimation: I guess he's getting paid to hustle for his usg masters

asciilifeform: he gets paid to sell, e.g., electric dildoes with programmable waveforms.

asciilifeform: they vibrate merrily, customers happy, the dough rolls in

asciilifeform: what should he want on top of this ?

decimation: from his point of view, he has a design team of usg zeks to work for him?

asciilifeform: for the work to actually be his own, non-plagiarized? in the confucian world, this is actually an anti-value

decimation: if the world were reversed and china was designing stuff for us foundries to stamp out, it would certainly be the case that us folks would try to do it themselves

asciilifeform: i'll point out that the complexity of the designs, which makes straight plagiarism so irresistible to the asians, doesn't happen in a vacuum.

asciilifeform: ever wonder whence we got the crock of shit that is usb ?

asciilifeform: pci ?

decimation: complexity is intentional, to lock everybody in

asciilifeform: virtually every little gibblet of the entire stack

asciilifeform: written guess where, by guess whom

decimation: by zeks, who work for companies whose entire business model consists of locking people into their bullshit by whatever means

asciilifeform: here's related story

asciilifeform: every day i wonder why the 'arm' architecture so thoroughly beat 'mips' (closest competitor in the 'risc' world) in the markets ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: despite being a steaming crock of shit compared to mips

asciilifeform: (arm makes a mockery of the whole risc concept, hundreds of weird instructions with a multitude of modifier bits, hilariously varies addressing mechanisms, etc)

asciilifeform: finally i arrived at an answer

decimation: plus they regularly redo the entire instruction set

asciilifeform: arm is sufficiently complex that folks were stuck licensing it verbatim, rather than reimplementing

decimation: whereas skilled undergrad could make a mips cpu?

asciilifeform: (an undergrad can throw a mips-compatible fpga core together in a day)

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: hence arm (uk corp.) rolls in dough, without actually manufacturing anything at all

decimation: yes, there is much wisdom here. the electronics market consists nearly entirely of lock-in, either by complexity, inertia, or usg enforcement (patents, etc)

decimation: yet there's just enough 'freedom' to make the little people think that they actually control something

asciilifeform: the old saw about 'freedom of the press' belonging to the fellow with the press;

decimation: asciilifeform: this (arm's) was almost exactly the same business model as qualcomm's

asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack

asciilifeform: presently that's usg.

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decimation: except they achieved lock-in by getting usg to enforce their comms standard & getting the cell phone ownership to agree

asciilifeform: the actual nervous system of usg is not the muppets with the microphones

asciilifeform: it's the qualcomms.

decimation: yes

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decimation: and they are largely powered by academic types who are 'do-ocracy' types

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decimation: asciilifeform: qualcomms, intels, arms, exxons, ibms, beltway bandits

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6361 @ 0.00062037 = 3.9462 BTC [+]

decimation: they make & implement usg policy, and allow stooges to stand in front of the microphones to take the heat

asciilifeform: the physical components of a mega-chumpatron have to be made somewhere.

decimation: stooges for that too

decimation: 'give us stuff in exchange for these really valuable promises to pay bezzlars!'

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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054191 = 11.1092 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00053527 / 0.00059403 / 0.00065647 (1072172 shares, 636.91 BTC), 7D: 0.00053527 / 0.00061436 / 0.00072352 (5319005 shares, 3,267.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00048802 / 0.00072352 (39711657 shares, 19,380.13 BTC)

thestringpuller: wow that escalated quickly

mats: is good stuff

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Adlai: so what's the roadmap for liberating honest silicon's ability to self-reproduce from the monkeys that are trying to choke it down?

asciilifeform: who does Adlai think knows the answer to this ?

Adlai: nobody, although people who care should at least have some crazy dreams

asciilifeform: ah that's easy.

Adlai: given sufficient raw materials and chuck moore replicants, it should be possible to build a stack clean in both hard- and software.

mats: i hate you

Adlai: ok

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TheNewDeal: soso anyone interested in this S&P closing quarter 4?

joecool: no

TheNewDeal: k

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00053185 = 3.6166 BTC [-]

TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

gribble: 305738708.312

TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stast

gribble: Error: "bc,stast" is not a valid command.

TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests

decimation: (I've been reading that slatestarcodex link)

decimation: whoever is willing to 'cooperate' and produce hardware/software that actually serves only the customer, will be eaten both those who are willing to defect for a cheap buck

Adlai: on the other hand, proper cooperation strategies could yield a strong enough ecosystem that it could survive defections of individual entities without the entire cooperative system collapsing

Adlai: for increasingly speculative values of "could"

decimation: this is something that underlies my yearning for 'hard currency': the idea that a hard currency would make defecting in this manner much less profitable

Adlai: how so?

decimation: presumably in a world funded primarily by investors actual capitol instead of made-up dollars, the loss of a bitcoin on an idiotic scheme is going to be a loss forever

decimation: new bitcoins can't be printed up to ensure the solvency of the 'investor class'

Adlai: and since you put it in scare quotes, how would you define 'hard currency'?

Adlai: compromised silicon softens bitcoin

decimation: but as asciilifeform has pointed out, the bezzlars (usg) control the entire silicon process stack

decimation: I'm thinking of bitcoin, but any currency that is finite would suffice

decimation: anyway, the pressure to not-lose would be much greater than the pressure to win-big in such a world

ben_vulpes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8795280 << betwayal!

assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1rjgBj2 )

decimation: lol

decimation: it's not entirely a surprise, this

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ben_vulpes: "seriously advocate for slavery" << gosh, respect a woman's right to live in whatever kind of sin she wants!

ben_vulpes: who knew sexy_saffron was such a vile slut shamer.

decimation: if real, it is coming from someone who apparently makes slave porn all day long

decimation: I guess we know what she thinks about her customers

ben_vulpes: well who knows

ben_vulpes: could just be pandering to another audience

Adlai: the problem, and perfection, of irc is that it's just a bunch of words

Adlai: but i guess butts get hurt sometimes

decimation: but given that it was just created (the account) it could have easily been an account that was created by some spamming hobo who reads the logs

ben_vulpes: how paranoid shall we get tonight?

Adlai: lol then there is zero reason to believe it's really her

decimation: it would be amusing if that draws in a crowd though (the HN thread)

ben_vulpes: "business with keys", etc.

decimation: actually, there's very good reason to think it isn't her

decimation: if she actually 'is disgusted with irc', why would she continue to read the logs and follow bingo's link?

decimation: otherwise, we are to believe that she trolls low-rated HN stories?

ben_vulpes: follow BingoBoingo's link? read logs? i don't know that she did/does either.

Adlai: are we still entertaining the notion that saffron reads HN, not just on the front page, but on the Ask HN page - but didn't have an HN account until now?

Adlai: P(A) is reasonable, but P(A|~B) seems like a long shot

decimation: I guess pretty paranoid is the answer ;(

Adlai: If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did.

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Adlai: (from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )

assbot: Hacker News Guidelines ... ( http://bit.ly/13FSIHI )

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Adlai: http://greyhat.io/onions/dildosky53jnf5mt.onion.png

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/13FTx2Z )

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joecool: dat background

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.00120102 = 1.3091 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: Twas not my link, but Jurov's link

xanthyos: bitcoin is 322.23 and iirc captain kirk's birthday is 3/22/2233 and i've had some whiskey so i'm gonna buy some coinbase now for realz

assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XYEWBW.txt )

BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎

BingoBoingo: So I apparently have an Android phone, but it is a shitty prepaid burner deal which is a plus. On the downside I am just now discovering all of the ways the Schildbach wallet sucks.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 944 @ 0.00119978 = 1.1326 BTC [-] {2}

xanthyos: i thought none of the android app wallets were safe. are you just testing it with a small amount?

joecool: android

joecool: nothign is safe

joecool: nothing will ever be safe

xanthyos: lot of the negative reviews refer to the receive address changing without their control

BingoBoingo: I have no BTC on there at the moment. I can't even create a backup of my wallet file.

joecool: BingoBoingo: that's a feature

BingoBoingo: joecool: Well, considering the entire premise of an android phone is carrying around a demilitarized zone between yourself and google sure.

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[]bot: Unable to get details for bet 1089: Get http://bitbet.us/bet/1089/?json: dial tcp 185.56.137.194:80: ConnectEx tcp: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.

joecool: o that looks quality

BingoBoingo: ^ bot ppls

BingoBoingo: OMG I never new startup vultures wer so self promoting on twitter https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/548014069492752384

assbot: What's updog?

BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: How is your winter holiday?

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RagnarDanneskjol: so far so good - its beach weather this week, so not quite wintery. you?

BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: We were promissed an assload of snow and instead got a bit of drizzel so going good here.

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BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/submission/4081935/mh370-shot-by-us-navy-in-march

assbot: MH370 shot by US Navy in March - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqZEQ4 )

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BingoBoingo: !up axitkhurana

BingoBoingo: !up austeritysucks

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.0012036 = 4.8144 BTC [+]

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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.12499999 = 3.125 BTC [+] {2}

cazalla: the fuck is this clams bullshit on just-dice, they really expect i will send them btc private key to claim clams?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.00060764 = 1.5592 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: cazalla: And now you know that scheme's greatest retardation

cazalla: i vaguely remember clams being discussed before but did not know finer details until decided to check just-dice out again

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40013 @ 0.00060764 = 24.3135 BTC [+]

BingoBoingo: Yeah, almost sucks as much as the Schilbach wallet which I can not yet evaluate

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00058474 = 6.1982 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1079 @ 0.00119041 = 1.2845 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3868 @ 0.0011904 = 4.6045 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1140 @ 0.0011904 = 1.3571 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00059034 = 10.3014 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00058986 = 5.2498 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00059022 = 3.3052 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31271 @ 0.00059057 = 18.4677 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1002 @ 0.001202 = 1.2044 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00058574 = 12.6227 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5860 @ 0.00059555 = 3.4899 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00060166 = 12.6048 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10117 @ 0.00060145 = 6.0849 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.0006095 = 19.6259 BTC [+] {2}

decimation: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 318.91, Best ask: 319.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 319.51, 24 hour volume: 5065.01275594, 24 hour low: 316.88, 24 hour high: 330.28, 24 hour vwap: 323.372420418

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00061364 = 22.7967 BTC [+] {2}

decimation: Merry Christmas!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00059645 = 7.9924 BTC [-] {2}

dignork: BingoBoingo: even though giving private key is a stupid way to do it (you can prove the same by signature), normally I wouldn't care about leaked privkey, which ideally was used only once. Unless the key is also used for gribble, but then, who would use non-random key for grubble auth. Where do you see the problem?

dignork: and Merry Christmas! :)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00061681 = 22.2668 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00058425 = 25.2396 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1220 @ 0.00119106 = 1.4531 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29747 @ 0.00061813 = 18.3875 BTC [+] {4}

thestringpuller: Merry X-Mas decimation!

thestringpuller: is cazalla awake? or did the merriment wear him down already?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33602 @ 0.00062294 = 20.932 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38448 @ 0.00063037 = 24.2365 BTC [+] {4}

thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/a/5afpv << coindesk without CSS

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00063595 = 8.7761 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.0006284 = 1.2882 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5482 @ 0.000627 = 3.4372 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: merry x-mas danielpbarron

thestringpuller: :D

danielpbarron: bah humbug!

scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/ ☟︎

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: mr spam rides again!

jurov: lol ben_vulpes he's fond of you ^^

jurov: "I am sorry that I had such a bad experience with your community but I am being extremely negatively affected as a result." lolwut

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00062655 = 11.3092 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5300 @ 0.00119 = 6.307 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00119 = 1.19 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1060 @ 0.00119 = 1.2614 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00062655 = 1.0651 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/vP2zH8g.jpg << bitcoins not bombs ppl

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41193 @ 0.00061944 = 25.5166 BTC [-] {2}

dignork: thestringpuller: "repeatoffender" keyword in their game, is a nice touch of insanity :)

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17533 @ 0.00062347 = 10.9313 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00062347 = 10.599 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.000617 = 19.96 BTC [-] {3}

thestringpuller: shttp://techcrunch.com/2014/12/06/a-bitcoin-battle-is-brewing/ << LOL

thestringpuller: "There is one company/cryptocurrency/platform which claims to occupy an interesting space between Bitcoin and altcoins, between DC and AC: Stellar, backed by Stripe. Its CTO, one Jed McCaleb, created Mt. Gox, the first big Bitcoin exchange (and sold it to Mark Karpelès long before Mt. Gox’s notorious implosion began.) He then created Ripple–which, he says curtly, “didn’t work out“–before moving to Stellar to “do

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00062686 = 20.467 BTC [+] {3}

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916 ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

asciilifeform: ^ the fundamental theorem of the media apparat.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00061902 = 9.6258 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00062931 = 19.5086 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31629 @ 0.00061339 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45271 @ 0.00059909 = 27.1214 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00063332 = 7.5143 BTC [+]

thestringpuller: ;;gpg info cazalla

gribble: User 'cazalla', with keyid 21B9818A468F4AD0, fingerprint FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0, and bitcoin address 1cKiW19Jc2aQ2sdKGkkEkGnbVZT8kKLAK, registered on Wed Feb 26 07:21:04 2014, last authed on Tue Dec 2 16:05:59 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=cazalla . Currently not authenticated.

cazalla: ;;ident

gribble: Nick 'cazalla', with hostmask 'cazalla!cazalla@unaffiliated/cazalla', is identified as user 'cazalla', with GPG key id 21B9818A468F4AD0, key fingerprint FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0, and bitcoin address 1cKiW19Jc2aQ2sdKGkkEkGnbVZT8kKLAK

mircea_popescu: hey there asseteers!

kakobrekla: heya

mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8795280 << i lol'd but somehow dun think it's her

assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRONDI )

mircea_popescu: too much of a sjw dude vibe to it.

mircea_popescu: ;;seen sexy_saffron

gribble: sexy_saffron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 28 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <sexy_saffron> I really like how my picture turned out :)

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sexy_saffron https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8795280 << is this ninjashogun posing as a woman again ?

assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRP35T )

gribble: The operation succeeded.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00059902 = 11.8306 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller << re the techcrunch cadaver washing job in the case of mccaleb : mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2014#960322 << o.o does ben_vulpes have some splainin' to do ? ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 25-12-2014 17:38:41; scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: because - in all but one out of thousand cases - why??? << once the why is answered, the "make their own" is answered too, fiveseconds later .that's the point.

mircea_popescu: there's no "control" involved when the two options are "give us stuff for free" and "disappear into the night"

mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=sexy_saffron << heh no submissions one comment, created yest. derp.

assbot: Profile: sexy_saffron | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRRk0L )

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5721 @ 0.00060027 = 3.4341 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: too bad christmas isnt more often. now that chan is dead i finally got some real work done.

kakobrekla: like taking out the trash for example.

mircea_popescu: lmao

kakobrekla: also worrying amount of covert christians here.

mircea_popescu: how is covert xtianity ?

kakobrekla: well i see them here on sundays ?

mircea_popescu: maybe they're covert sunday drivers.

mircea_popescu: pretending they're really christians

kakobrekla: hmm

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: trolling trolls?

mircea_popescu: this has been another eggnogg powered conversation.

ben_vulpes: (slander, i'm sure)

mircea_popescu: eggnogg, bringing the covert of christmas!

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is he quoting a convo that actually occured on irc or one that actually occurred in his head ?

ben_vulpes: actually occurred.

jurov: we all have slanderous moments

mircea_popescu: lol

mircea_popescu: what sort of a cult is this!

ben_vulpes: dunno boss

ben_vulpes: in any event it should be evident from the gross exaggeration of the lines in question what my intent was in that exchange.

ben_vulpes: bitbet doesn't defraud people

ben_vulpes: an mmorpg is a decade-long project

mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech and shit like that. but saying the bad about mpex and shit ?

mircea_popescu: THATS UNEMPATETHICAL!

ben_vulpes shrugs

ben_vulpes: http://runnahgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/cartman-i-do-what-I-want.jpg

assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zC54OS )

mircea_popescu: if we seriously mean to take over teh fiat world we imperatively must have forbidden words!

ben_vulpes: no trollin plebs by shit talkin popescu properties

ben_vulpes: got it

mircea_popescu: i was thinking more of gluten

mircea_popescu: tinny sort of word.

ben_vulpes: next year when the keto freaks show up you'll want to ban glycogen or summat

mircea_popescu: all words starting with g

mircea_popescu: its an imperialist ploy to subdue the reaction.

mircea_popescu: i mean communist.

kakobrekla: good.

mircea_popescu: good doesn't really start with g

mircea_popescu: more like a q thingee

ben_vulpes: anyways can i do ya for anything else before emptying the dog's tanks?

mircea_popescu: moar eggnogg!

ben_vulpes: me too plz

mircea_popescu collapses in a pile

kakobrekla: go away i got more trash.

ben_vulpes: quickly, bahahara, send in the assasins! he's vulnerable!

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla eurotrash ?

jurov: wut, kako does trash once in year?

ben_vulpes: anyways, merry christmas ninjashogun

mircea_popescu: his address is 3, Augean Stables.

jurov: oh. at least he gets fresh milk directly from udder

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you mean robert viragh ?

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess we do need some X-Mas day content.

mircea_popescu: like ?

kakobrekla: jurov actually i did it yest, a bunch of old computer stuff which cant be disposed in a home dumpster

thestringpuller: re: mircea_popescu: mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.

mircea_popescu: a a yes yes

mats: http://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-money-tips-for-2015-2014-12

assbot: Warren Buffett Money Tips For 2015 - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1zC6EjJ )

mats: “Stay away from it. It’s a mirage, basically. … It’s a method of transmitting money. It’s a very effective way of transmitting money and you can do it anonymously and all that. A check is a way of transmitting money, too. Are checks worth a whole lot of money just because they can transmit money?"

mircea_popescu: lol buffett doesn't wish for the currency part of bitcoin to exist huh

mircea_popescu: guess what ? 100 dollar bills are also a way of transmitting value , which is what he misuses "money" to signify.

mircea_popescu: apparently people do think 100 dollar bills are worth 100 dollars just because they can reliably transmit 100 dollars.

mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 319.06, Best ask: 320.16, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 319.04, 24 hour volume: 4217.47189242, 24 hour low: 316.63, 24 hour high: 324.23, 24 hour vwap: 320.151987886

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00063203 = 6.5415 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 956 @ 0.00118352 = 1.1314 BTC [-] {5}

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech << for some reason the Chappelle show skit that involved a white family with the last name "Niggar" came to mind.

mircea_popescu: pretty good skit

mircea_popescu: was he their milkman or what ?

thestringpuller: yup!

mircea_popescu: "i know how you niggars are about paying debts" lol

thestringpuller: XD

mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've seen the prettiest black girl i ever saw.

mircea_popescu: no ass to speak of, just this pouffed up hair and huge green eyes

mircea_popescu: she basically looked like a melatonious lion.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: once the why is answered, the "make their own" is answered too, fiveseconds later << typically this question gets 'answered' when too late. as in the case of the russian trans-siberian pipeline.

mircea_popescu: mmmmm

mircea_popescu: mmebbe

ben_vulpes: ah that's right the virulent robert viragh

assbot: Elio19 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

ben_vulpes: !up ELio19

mircea_popescu: !up ELio19

mircea_popescu: o.O

ben_vulpes: !up ELio19

ELio19: I thought my rate was pretty good, what do i need to get auto-voice?

ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ELio19

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ELio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ELio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ELio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ELio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar 8 00:37:21 2012

ELio19: <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)

ben_vulpes: see the chart

ben_vulpes: ;;rate ELio19 1 new blood

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ELio19 has been recorded.

ben_vulpes: easy come easy go

asciilifeform admits he is at this very moment... doing his day job

mircea_popescu: ELio19 who are you neways ?

ELio19: I'm a Cuban computer programmer.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform capitalists exploiting the workers eh ?

asciilifeform: workers exploiting selves

ELio19: Came to -otc in '12 ( i think )

mircea_popescu: o hey. what'd you think of the obama-castro thing

ELio19: umm, its pretty cool i guess

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prelude to 'colour' revolution

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which one is that one again ?

ELio19: What does derp mean?

asciilifeform: a few of them

asciilifeform: ;;google coloured revolution

gribble: Colour revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution>; Vladimir Putin: we must stop a Ukraine-style 'coloured revolution' in ...: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11243521/Vladimir-Putin-we-must-stop-a-Ukraine-style-coloured-revolution-in-Russia.html>; Putin says Russia must prevent 'color revolution' | (1 more message)

mircea_popescu: o wait, the us dept of state middle east efforts ?

asciilifeform: aka cia coup

mircea_popescu: aha

mircea_popescu: aite, well, bottoms up fellow cultists!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00063332 = 5.9532 BTC [+]

ELio19: What does derp mean?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00063409 = 8.6553 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8729 @ 0.00063203 = 5.517 BTC [-]

kakobrekla: derp.

[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4045.40374824 BTC. Current weight: 15,224.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059902 = 4.9719 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00060564 = 5.6325 BTC [+]

jurov: ;;ud derp

gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp | The contemporary DNC and GOP parties are one party. the DeRps. Ignore what they say, watch what they do! Your common DeRp wants government spending.

jurov: hahaha

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0005956 = 22.8413 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00060245 = 9.8501 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3428 @ 0.00059445 = 2.0378 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00059432 = 22.6733 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20645 @ 0.00060619 = 12.5148 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9779 @ 0.00062993 = 6.1601 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00061689 = 17.3346 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00059212 = 10.2437 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11981 @ 0.00059212 = 7.0942 BTC [-]