mod6: just catchin' up on ze logz
mod6: sweet!, got my touchpad working
mod6: [this is my first gentoo desktop env.]
mod6: went together pretty easily.
mod6: probably will switch to fvwm when i get all the configs in place.
mod6: my openbsd lappy is fvwm, i love it.
mod6: i basically have no use for a "desktop environment" anyway. does ~0 for me.
shinohai: I'm still using fluxbox, use what you know I guess.
mod6: ive never used this one before... seems to "work" ok i guess.
shinohai: I had xfce on an Arch install I tried once ... was indeed ok. Much better than gnome/gdm from mah Debian days.
mod6: sweet, ok up and running with fvwm
shinohai has determined he is too lazy for ratpoison, switches back
mod6: lol, again, never thought i'd say this, but, ratpoison looks good
shinohai: It is very nice looking and lightweight ( big plus) but gonna require a learning curve to be useful for me
mod6: i used to use one called 'ion', which had some awesome keybindings. this was suggested to me by a gentoo guy back in like 03.
mod6: but, now, find that fvwm works fine for what i want
trinque: heh, bringing up these old window managers reminds me of a more optimistic time in re: computing in my youth
trinque: installing slackware and so on
trinque: seemed like the open source thing might be going somewhere, back then.
trinque: BingoBoingo: open code's still the only way to do it, only those involved mustn't be so poor as to worry about giving away words
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear the faux "empowerment" open-allcomers generates in the allcomers is actually good for anyone.
trinque: for that matter their literacy
mircea_popescu: myeah. there's this very pernicious "i could read any book, therefore i'm just as good as one who actually did so read" nonsense that;s by now 100% of white culture by mass.
ben_vulpes: trying to read open source is in no way a road to literacy either.
mircea_popescu: tmsr source is in fact notorious road to literacy. even for greybeards.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wotopen at any rate << For most codechimps this is the most closed of all
trinque: well, you have a wot and suddenly folks wet themselves when they get an !!up
trinque: "Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer..."
mod6: "hello, this is dog."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a casual manual inspection suggests my implementation is catastrophically broken, but i spent the evening twiddling bots, so haven't put the time into figuring out what might be wrong.
ben_vulpes: and i turned logging off while flailing at linux so i have nfi why she went down right there
ben_vulpes: at least the low dough lolz emporium isn't out of stock entirely
☟︎ deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 64)
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: ^^ sad output
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101 32)
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*01000010000100100011111111110001
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*00000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 33)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*000000000000000000000000000000011
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 31)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*1100000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111101111111111111111111111111111111111111 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*11111111011101110111011101001000
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111011111111111111111111111111111111 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*11111111111111111111111111110110
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*00000000000000000000000000000011
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111101 32)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: #*00000000000000000000000000001001
sina: asciilifeform: you about?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:03 asciilifeform: does he IMMEDIATELY get a bookmarkable link based on the key's hash ? that he can come back to next hour, next day, next decade ? if so, how ??
sina: do you know if the src for phuctor is avail?
☟︎☟︎ sina: I am curious to look and learn
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 04:38 mircea_popescu: wotopen at any rate
sina: you can use it to get good pretty good mileage out of single box python+dbms apps
sina: its just a mechanism to offload a IO to an async model in C (epoll, kqueue and libevent supported)
sina: how many lines is the whole library? or how many lines do you need to add to your app to use it?
sina: db_pool is about 500 lines, and I guess there is some lower level stuff behind that
sina: you can also use eventlet wsgi on the frontend to offload the
http side as well
☟︎ sina: (assuming the phuctor python app is written wsgi compatible)
mircea_popescu: phuctor is vaguely slated for a 4th iirc rewrite to decouple the front end and other stuff. so i guess this goes in the literature review pile for when.
sina: any chance I could be involved?
☟︎ sina: will it be ada this time?
sina: it'd be a lot more than 600 lines of ada that's for sure :P
sina: I am a big fan of the 600 lines of python idea, using libraries to offload stuff to C where appropriate
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lengthy pile of accidentally working complexity. you know, just like irl.
sina: it's got to be fast and correct to be able to do the concurrency, so that hopefully dampens that kind of thing
sina: you can never rly get rid of it I guess
sina: anyway, I guess I will come back later and ask asciilifeform and he'll laugh at me
sina: mircea_popescu: I work on the biggest python turd of all, OpenStack :P
mircea_popescu: but! if you're looking for something to sink teeth in right now, either a c or python mpfhf impl is prolly a ghood moive
sina: will do so now, as you can see I was reading previous months logs :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's this algorithmic (as opposed to algebraic) hash function. ben_vulpes released his lisp impl.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect alf is either making a c one or trying to talk himself into it
☟︎ sina: interesting, reading your blog now
ben_vulpes: "totally unnecessary and reprehensible dependency"
sina: "Turns out, it doesn't work at all." ...so does the impl on the page work or not?
mircea_popescu: it works in the sense of doing something ; but not in the sense of oding what it's supposed to.
ben_vulpes: sina: i didn't figure that was ambiguous in any way
sina: ben_vulpes: it's not, you're right :P
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, candi_lustt is more than happy to let you try out your code on her teats.
ben_vulpes: a million billion log lines later, i have found an implementation-killer
ben_vulpes: turns out one can't `decf' a loop-macro established `place'
☟︎ ben_vulpes: from a function defined outside the loop macro
ben_vulpes: perhaps mircea_popescu can enlighten me as to why exactly it works this way
mircea_popescu: scoping, neh ? how'd you fuck up the data from outside ?
ben_vulpes: it is currently filed under "dangerous fucking macro binding horseshit lispers are too goddamn liberal with"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: naively, i passed a function called from within the scope a reference to the thing
ben_vulpes: because i've yet to learn the dark arts of macro wizardry, and it's dangerous, and so it gets filed as dangerous stuff i don't understand yet.
ben_vulpes: now i shall have to spend some time getting intimate with places and macro capture rules
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 06:51 ben_vulpes: at least the low dough lolz emporium isn't out of stock entirely
BingoBoingo: Well, outcome kinda sucks for Russia. Must be BND pantsuit Appelbottum hackerz!
ben_vulpes: i'm going to see dragons in these numbers if i keep this up
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt and now for something behaving completely differently
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 64)
ben_vulpes: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 64)
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: 381 steps, 382 bits for the state machine. hash: #*1000000001000000001111011011111001010000111110100010100100100011
ben_vulpes: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 64)
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: 64 steps, 1 bits for the state machine. hash: #*1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sina: hey ben_vulpes you still around?
sina: shinohai: do you know anything about mpfhf?
shinohai: Morning sina .... I likely cannot be of help in that regard yet. I'm still student of the logz there and mucking around with ben_vulpes lisp.
sina: results in S being modified
jhvh1: sina: Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.
jhvh1: sina: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mircea_popescu" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
jhvh1: sina: The operation succeeded.
shinohai:
http://archive.is/pRUJY "CoinDesk is a subsidiary of DCG, which has an ownership stake in Chainalysis, Coinbase and Elliptic." ... /me did not know Shillbert supported "Blockchain Law Enforcement" so heavily.
☟︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 08:56 sina: you can also use eventlet wsgi on the frontend to offload the
http side as well
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 08:46 sina: do you know if the src for phuctor is avail?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 08:57 sina: any chance I could be involved?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:00 sina: I am a big fan of the 600 lines of python idea, using libraries to offload stuff to C where appropriate
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:05 mircea_popescu: and i suspect alf is either making a c one or trying to talk himself into it
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:17 ben_vulpes: turns out one can't `decf' a loop-macro established `place'
ben_vulpes: heh tangentially, i've forbidden anything even verging on "i told you sos" without the teller having told
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 14:26 shinohai:
http://archive.is/pRUJY "CoinDesk is a subsidiary of DCG, which has an ownership stake in Chainalysis, Coinbase and Elliptic." ... /me did not know Shillbert supported "Blockchain Law Enforcement" so heavily.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell sina mircea_popescu wants mpfhf commentary on his blog
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: oh you know, someone "myeah, i had a feeling that wasn't going to work out" me: *explodes*
ben_vulpes: heh, perfectly cranky republican gentleman's sport of code review: nobody will tell you what bugs they found, but they might give you a sha256 description of one
ben_vulpes: ubermenschen like asciilifeform who Never Release Imperfect Code would obviously rule the leaderboards
a111: Logged on 2013-04-04 19:17 asciilifeform: consider a hardware widget that receives a single-use CC number (for $X) from a hypothetical BTC-enabled bank and writes it to a blank physical ATM card, when you send the bank $X equiv. of BTC.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well, a) being lighthearted but b) the ada stuff?
mod6: speaking of ada stuff. i did get horsecocks to compile just fine with the changes that were discussed previously with diana_coman
☟︎ mircea_popescu: !!later tell sina a) dun need to msg me the day's log, i always read it anyway and b) yeah, the prototype actually implements an older spec. trivial to revise if one cares to, was published.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 14:26 shinohai:
http://archive.is/pRUJY "CoinDesk is a subsidiary of DCG, which has an ownership stake in Chainalysis, Coinbase and Elliptic." ... /me did not know Shillbert supported "Blockchain Law Enforcement" so heavily.
shinohai: Now it's like he isn't even trying to hide the fact he suck LE cock though.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: in other lullies,
https://archive.is/OExoO >> nsaware using ~second~ intel fritz chip boobytrap, found
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean, item you buy from cisco. i mean, computer.)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 16:05 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667688 >> gold, '...they often go through exchanges hosted outside the US... unlicensed, unregulated and unwilling to abide by basic anti-money laundering and know-your-customer regulations, rules that digital currency exchanges in the US and Western Europe must abide by... If Congress and regulators are serious about tackling the national security implications of digital currencies, taking on these
mircea_popescu: i guess while the sofa stack lasts, the sofa stack lasts huh.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 16:08 asciilifeform:
https://archive.is/i1Usl << from same fishwrap >> 'Two members of the US Army National Guard have been convicted of running a credit card fraud scheme involving bitcoin... using bitcoins to purchase stolen credit and debit card numbers... using magnetic strip re-encoding tools to apply stolen numbers to dummy cards, after which they would buy merchandise from Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores at US military bases, as well a
mircea_popescu: "let's stash dubious chinese imports in the us as a wealth amassing scheme, wut could possibly go wrong!"
mircea_popescu: and ftr that is SPECIFICALLY the cow/herbivore strategy. "oh, there's some lovely grass down here. grass is good because +epsilon ev, will make me fat, ill have babies, moo"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667732 << loller at the butthurt. "sarah" saldana, who most likely is random illegal who went to maryland to study "crime fightin'", and in any case was a political appointee by the worlds shittiest set of politruks, complains that her minions inherited by trump are used... for a political goal. FUCKING pantsuits, it's only pissing if you do it, they don't do it, wut???.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: and THEN complains that the idle muppets hired "to hob knob with congressmen and clog up wash dc traffic while pretending to be you know, lobbysts lite on govt payroll" dun get to keep on pretending, gotta actually work the SAME DAMNED CALL CENTER they tried to escape from manning in panama.
mircea_popescu: "go out in the community" of imbecile politruks and aparatchicks that actually created the fucking problem in the first place. noty, stop stroking each other's imaginary importance.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i see 2 lines of the needed 'image fix and a bunch of ??? << so two other things. 1) 'M
mircea_popescu: "it's racist to punish people for killing white people" ?
ben_vulpes: texas a&i and southern methodist, apparently
mircea_popescu: fucktards, that';s another thing. everyone's got teh leadersheep hallucinations also.
mod6: ' was getting complaints, so tried your commented out line of: M : Maps.PMap(Length => 0, Offset => 1); instead. 2) gnatmake doesn't like that procedure horse_test is in a file called 'test.adb', wants it to be in 'horse_test.adb'
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2818.08, vol: 8743.65218639 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2738.5, vol: 4984.02217 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2813.1, vol: 9832.37485083 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2839.031471, vol: 8771.04730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2819.644, vol: 4254.95534801 | Volume-weighted last average: 2811.10541256
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: 'popcorn' is not a valid currency code.
mircea_popescu saw bitstamp "volume" took it for price had to do a dbl take lel
ben_vulpes: "hey what do you think about ethereum? a couple of guys i know bought some and made a ton of money?" "which ethereum?" "..."
mircea_popescu: "o btw, did they MAKE a ton of money, or did they just IMAGINE they MIGHT AS WELL HAD on the basis of stuff they read on a website ?"
shinohai: Laughably ... ETC has a higher "market cap" than LTC right now.
mircea_popescu: "there is no difference between these two" "i think you might've been raped"
mircea_popescu: shinohai similarily to how farts have larger volume than turds do.
shinohai: I always chose to see one as liquishit vs solid
ben_vulpes: i very rarely bother to ask if people actually eg beat the market, convert back to btc, move that btc off the exchange...
ben_vulpes: how many games of poker they win, how up they are on slots over their slot playing career...
pete_dushenski: "The extension uses a bit.ly URL to reach its C&C, but the URL path is nowhere to be found in the extension code. In fact, it will obtain this path by using comments posted on a specific Instagram post. The one that was used in the analyzed sample was a comment about a photo posted to the Britney Spears official Instagram account."
sina: mircea_popescu: hey mate
sina: can you confirm my intepretation of the spec for mpfhf is correct or not?
sina: kk, so how come in "step 1" of the prototype, you're modifying S in the halfscrew, rather than R, because the spec says "if bit is 1, half screw S in R"?
sina: ah fux, so I can't rely on the steps displayed in the prototype to validate my work as I go?
mircea_popescu: the prototype was originally more of a "omfg show me what the fuck do you mean with this spec ?!?!?!" sort of easement.
mircea_popescu: "works in the sense that it does something, not in the sense it does what it should"
☟︎ sina: that's the second time in 24h you've said that :P
sina: ok fair enough then, I'll try and adhere solely to the spec
sina: got most of a thing working
sina: I miss writing code, most of my day-to-day is operations
sina: python for a first pass
mircea_popescu: cool. seeing how ben_vulpes ' lisp implementation ain't working yet, you have a shot at becoming the first cannonical mpfhf
sina: mircea_popescu: can I ask you to verify behaviour of half screw when the length of S or R is not even?
sina: i.e. round up or down
sina: ah good, python by default adopts the C behaviour
deedbot: HaveANiceDay voiced for 30 minutes.
sina: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1001101101000010000011010111101001110001111010111110011100000110000111100111110011100001 64)
sina: did I call it wrong?
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
sina: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1001101101000010000011010111101001110001111010111110011100000110000111100111110011100001 64)
candi_lustt: sina: 290 steps, 249 bits for the state machine. hash: #*1000100011110010000101100110011011011001111000011110110011111001
sina: lel ok that is not the output that I got :(
sina: how the fuck am I know my code works
shinohai: Ask yourself ... does it blow shit up?
sina: I mean, I am pretty sure
mircea_popescu: sina can you make it print out some detailed workout like the original prototype did ?
sina: mircea_popescu: lollll I had it doing that but removed those lines
sina: because I thought it makes my pretty code look ugly
sina: 43 lines, incl blanks, should be auditable
ben_vulpes: sina, i have a patch sitting in my tree that will paste output as well
sina: fuckers, ok I will add the debug back
ben_vulpes: going to spend some people time, will let you know when it's live
sina: so much less pretty tho
mircea_popescu: im sure it does that, but, simplifies checking. do a few printouts of something shorter and saner, say 16 bit items.
ben_vulpes: i did push some changes to it last night, but it still behaves entirely wackadoodle on arrays of all 0 or 1
ben_vulpes: sina: yeah, see my comments in re dragons last night
sina: mircea_popescu: can you point if I'm missing something obvious? From my understanding of the spec, the number of "steps" is = the length of M, but in your examples (understanding they're of a nonworking prototype) have a lot more steps than len(M)
sina: I seem to be generating junk hashes like "1001001110000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000" for "MP kicks ass!" :(