lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 8 hours and 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ?
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, I'll ask him about it.
trinque: mod6: have you sent him anything re ^
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 20:02:13 asciilifeform: was thinking re how oughta do auto-syncs. one possible method, is for bot to take command via pm, e.g. !q sync 1000
http://logs.ossasepia.com ; would then walk last N (here, 1000) ln, and offer 'identical', 'diverges prior', or 'diverges at I', I is index, and offer alignment, operator (set in config who) can then confirm or reject
trinque: deedbot also has logs, just not surfaced. I'd be interested in reading.
trinque: (every line it ever saw is in db)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:25 asciilifeform: diana_coman: aite. proposed algo , is a manually-triggered item that 1) takes a 'breakage point', i.e. last known correctly logged line represented by tuple [chan, index] . 2) finds its timestamp 3) drops errything in db postdating said timestamp 4) walks list of peer loggers, fetches for each enabled chan, errything from last-known-idx i to i+500 5) 4 is repeated until returns <500 6) then takes the ~longest~ s
lobbes: asciilifeform: neato, I will give it some testing this weekend
lobbes: about to switch over ericbot to new patch; about 30 seconds of downtime
lobbes: asciilifeform, diana_coman I also have #lobbes registered with fleanode and live. Feel free to include in your loggers if you want. No archives to snarf really
trinque: ^ was not able to connect to uy1 until just now
mod6: trinque: no, I haven't spoken to him about that.
BingoBoingo: Datacenter has been contacted. Going to visit the rack.
trinque: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:21:59 lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 8 hours and 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:06:09 snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 08:36:01 mircea_popescu: who else wants travel keys tehn ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They're wrestling with international carrier. Will let you know when there's news.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:21:37 asciilifeform: trinque, diana_coman , et al :
draft!!! of semi-auto sync mechanism. is only ~demo~, it cannot write to a db, only proposes changes.
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 29m
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The complaint is still escalated with emphasis on the pipe not having been near this unstable in the past
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:18:34 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell trinque do you think you can get ben to reappear for long enuff to properly appoint tbf successor ? cuz imho a heavy bag o'coin attached to a beheaded tbf is unseemly and the orig charter offers no gc mechanism for it
mp_en_viaje: on the flimsy grounds that worked ok last we tried it, if naught else.
mp_en_viaje: not even a matter of "want the job". we've nobody even remotely capable of running such a thing, thereby the job is "accrete more people, especially non-male, non-engineer, non-maleengineer-retarded types"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:33:01 asciilifeform: asks again, 'boy...' finally boy takes off helmet and utters : 'sir, i fess up, i dun know these things, cuz i aint a REAL WELDER!!!'
mp_en_viaje: yes, precisely as in story -- the subject of self-delusion AND HIM ONLY goes about the world "under spell" of "the spell".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:42:53 asciilifeform: ( and chix, but from designated breeding grounds which afaik at no pt included wallachia & co )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 12:46:59 asciilifeform:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939710 << funnily enuff, the crypto-christians left behind in jp after missionaries expelled, mutated into such a bizarre fork chain that modern church does not recognize'em as anyffin at all ( they mutter unrecognizable chants , which at some pt in 17th c were latin , from phonetic crib sheets to this day... but elsewise resemble 'insular buddhist sect' very cl
diana_coman: meanwhile an
initial look at irc networks suggests they might be ~all about as lively as a corpse really; but anyways, oftc, undernet, espernet and dalnet seem to have made it to the top to be contacted in the coming days.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939815 << how's this for a proposedly "better" algo : 1. syncer is given target T ; 2 sincer loads tip of T (as the whole day page, DP), compares to its own record ; 3. if comparison results in any difference, syncer produces list L in the format of #count, own line, T line and moves to 4. which consists of repeating algo for DP-1.
mp_en_viaje: then once this is done syncer spits out paste consisting of aggregate L in response to command given in 1, and accepts as response a succession of bits (0, 1) telling it which to take where.
mp_en_viaje: in this manner all-1 operator response will result in the behaviour you specced ; and anything else will result in finer control (at the obvious added cost of bothering to paste a buncha 1's in a paste).
mp_en_viaje: imo is better because at least creates ~a record~ of the type of problems we're solving which not only might spark refinements downstream, but will also constiute a phenomenologically blessed test set for any such refinements, permitting ~RATIONAL~ acception or rejection if/when it comes to.
mp_en_viaje: this is not usually given enough thought (in the sense of, any, for the scope of "free and open" shitsource) -- but the most important part of software development is the construction of the rational basis of merge decisions.
mp_en_viaje: the rms/ers/retardsonwheels brushing it under the rug, "oh, you'll know when you see it" is probably the chief idiocy ensuring their loud, miserable,
pollutant-ladden failure.
mp_en_viaje: pro-environment ecologically-minded left, amirite, in all times and places the principal producer of pollution in this world.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:06:23 diana_coman: asciilifeform: why use timestamps rather than log lines number though? I don't get how is that better at all; ie give syncer "last known ok line", should drop anything with id > that for the chan; then import everything with id > that from the reference
mp_en_viaje is not necessarily convinced that this is important or necessarily a goal ; but seens nothing wrong whatsoever with the attempt as such and has no objection to helping.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:08:48 asciilifeform: so, to complete the picture, this algo is guaranteed to work correctly if a) one of the peers actually contains the complete log segment for time T .. present b) no one speaks in the interval while it operates c) the timestamp T correctly represents the cutoff
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939856 << you will notice that the whole echafaudage is specifically design to keep the world-elements at a low roar. if everything ran hot 24/7 i'd be seen in corner sharpening axe for imminent beheadings of misbehaving lords that failed to produce castles or w/e it is they failed to do -- in any case the situation's failure.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:26:11 asciilifeform: atm the hand-operated sync only feels practical because there is very little traffic in most of the chans. if all 6 were burning hot 24/7 , could take many hrs of frustrated cranking to actually sync'em all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:27:36 asciilifeform: lobbes do you want it logged by the orchestra ?
mp_en_viaje: if you don't put any teeth behind the whole thing it'll collapse into chaos.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 16:50:29 lobbes: once I make that switch, I would not mind it being logged if folx are willing to log it
mp_en_viaje: you have the "awkward"ness cutter, fucken use it, wtf are you trying to recreate esltard existence ?
mp_en_viaje: "oh let's go to lunch" "okay..." "where'd you like to go ?" "oh i dunno... anywhere i guess" "is steak'n'sheak okay?" "oh i dunno... shall we ask sarah too?" holy shit enough.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:34:20 asciilifeform: sumthing clever ~will~ have to be done w/ the header , 7 might even fit right nao, but 8 defo won't..
mp_en_viaje: alternatively, charge a fee for listing, by adding a small "be here" link, leading to a page, explaining that everyone there is there by ahving paid, and if you pay more than the one who paid least you get the top spot for as long as that lasts.
mp_en_viaje: and list how much the current listed paid you, which'd be as it stands 0.
mp_en_viaje: (this multi-slot auction mechanism as described is actually a lot smarter than maybe realised at first sight, it does exactly what leftards claim capitalism can not do.)
mp_en_viaje: but then again there's a reason they came up with an euphemistic name for their idiocy in the first place. leftards claiming capitalism doesn't work is like oligophrens "preferring to be called" beautiful lip people, pretending speech doesn't work.
mp_en_viaje: one final thing : it's not clear to me exactly if img.inline { margin: 0.5em auto 1em auto; display: block; border: 1px solid black; width: 34em; } is how you opted to specify the header for the logger site. if so, it's dumb for the following reasons : 1. that it's not called anything like that, or even anything arbitrary, but something mechanically-ineptly der
mp_en_viaje: ived from something it very much is not making identification a lot more doubtful than they need to be, it's like nominalist sabotage ; 2. you specify a fixwidth, in FUCKING EMS. wtf, ems are for glyphs, it's like giving your height in delta-pascals.
mp_en_viaje: in any case, it's narrower than the actual log on my screen. imo the "<meta name='viewport' content='width=device-width" you start with is correct ; but if you're not willing for some reason to apply the implicit scaling throughout, at least pick an arbitrary pixel size (1024, 1280, whatever viewports most commonly are in your view) and use that.
mp_en_viaje: since we're doing visuals, imho the time delay should be on the tooltip not on the actual page. that way you can have two lines even. but if you want to keep the time on display, imo the chan-time tuple should came in ~individual~ single line wrappings.
mp_en_viaje: as it is the 6m from eulora bleeds into spyked/7h block
mp_en_viaje: and yet another final thing : having fixwidth block display elements affords you a very good solution to the exact problem you're dealing with : how to put N elements in space for Q elements. what you do is, declare the fixwidth block element with the display widh you wand and with content of the N element ~sorted somehow~. then on display block element will only show the first Q, leaving the rest offscreen ~but still on the
mp_en_viaje: page, ie, available to mechanical reader~.
mp_en_viaje: then if later the sorting mechanism sorts them otherwise, meatviewer will show a diff Q-selection, while all the while mechanical viewer sees the same N
mp_en_viaje: one of those excellent things the w3c retards did by accident.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:57:15 asciilifeform: lobbes: #lobbes is imho preferable to the other. (seems to be the de-facto standard presently)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 18:57:52 asciilifeform: lobbes: if you want to emphasize that it's a mp-endorsed castle, put the deed in the chan subjline like in #a.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 20:24:25 lobbes: still ain't a mp-endorsed castle either. I figure that time may come one day, but that time isn't now as far as I can tell.
mp_en_viaje: omfg act to reduce unknowns. RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR it is called. the fucking reason you, as a serious engineer, try things ~one at a time~ rather than in random configurations is that you're trying to reduce unknowns. not to nurse old unknowns into survival and perhaps even invent new ones ?!
mp_en_viaje: if you don't know whether your lamp is broken because the power plug's dead, the cable inside is fucked, or the lightbulb dead, you don't first built a spaceship out of that lamp and "see then". you replace the lightbulb first, see if it fixes it. then from there, ONE THING AT A TIME.
mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
mp_en_viaje: we still have more work to do than people to do it as it stands.
mp_en_viaje:
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-03#1939899 << lol apparently i managed to miss out a lot while taking less than a day to do slutty things with sluts -- i last spoke 11h and apparently was supposed to give above proposal significantly before 21h. how the fuck am i to do this is anyone's guess ; the consolation prize's that all the sluts in the joint crowded my table / gifted me bras / shoved tits in my face wh
mp_en_viaje: ile the three dozen dudes lined the bar being incels-with-beers (deserted bar, as even the fucking waitress was sitting at my table, kissing random girls for drinks).
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 21:29:19 asciilifeform: if two peers offer the same length of tail, the peer with the higher priority (indicated by order of mention in config) is chosen.
mp_en_viaje: but srsly now... can maybe consider giving people A DAY if you ask for comments ?
mp_en_viaje: i don't mind so much, personally, but perhaps others harder to console.
mp_en_viaje: which reminds me, as it happens, of last night. so i order a pile of vodka shots, and this nice tits chinese looking but not chinese girl wants one, so i'm like... well, you gotta kiss the waitress. who's as surprised as anyone by the sidden turn of events, "you know, i've been working here for years, i've never seen anything likethis" "yeah, that's what girls usually say to me". then she went around asking randomly, "hey, a
mp_en_viaje: nyone ever took your bra ?" "well... i mean boyfriends but like... no, nobody said give me your bra, hand it over, etc like that, no" "so it's the first time" "yeah!" and on it went, apparently every girl there had some first time experience that night with yours truly.
mp_en_viaje: after which she agrees, if sluts want drinks they gotta get them from her (being as she's the waitress, makes sense) but she ominously warns us that... well... she has a virus.
mp_en_viaje: cuz she's austrian, see, an' about as awkward in english as you'd like, she's perhaps last week had the flu, maybe. this comes out as "she has a virus".
mp_en_viaje: the matter behind us they kiss, slut gets her shot, and as she's about to do to it what it was asking for (the shot i mean) i'm right in there... "to your health!"
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i suppose it's one of those "you had to be there for" things.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:21:16 asciilifeform: outage apparently over, but, annoyingly, bvt's patched bot did NOT correctly detect the disconnect.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 23:52:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They're wrestling with international carrier. Will let you know when there's news.
mp_en_viaje: bullshit started a few months ago, when sporadically reported, and it'll prolly continue until l3 or whoever operates the sick interchange point gets their shit in order.
mp_en_viaje: nothing wsrong with keeping the dc in the know so they don't take you for yokels ; but nothing gained by twisting their neck either, they're not doing it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:17:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile in the analogue room -- asciilifeform already found a logical boojum in
sync demo -- will not fetch tails for chans where nuffin was proposed to drop. ( easy to fix, but i've not enuff wake-hours atm to do it just nao )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:21:57 asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo , broadcast the barf as it comes in
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 00:26:32 asciilifeform: expects that 'adult' synctron will be nearly as complicated as the logger per se...
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i'll be around for a while, giving the whores a day off before they start dying of exhaustion under me.
mp_en_viaje: but, on the upside, all my outbound's spread over a spectrum for keks an' giggles.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 05:03:23 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, the one thing about boy engineers is that what they actually want of this world is some way they can futz on these here knobs until the girl over-there takes her panties off.
spyked: mp_en_viaje, ooo, thing sending trackbacks already?
spyked: not sending internal trackbacks tho, prolly because still using old link schema. anyway, lotsa work left still, meanwhile articles will continue pouring there for a while.
mp_en_viaje: your title's swimming amongs left/right links
spyked: yeah and there's other problems with the theme. it's all on the list, incl. proper selection
spyked: also, while doing this importing work I've gathered a (still ongoing) list of broken links that might make for a lulzy blogpost
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:28:19 asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 08:03:01 mp_en_viaje: so if you don't know, ask ; i'll either give you the thing or else tell you why not, at which point ~you'll fucking know why not~. see ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ossabot fell down for a bit too and machine was reset so I need to find out from isp wtf; grrr.
diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: With the more intense monitoring two of the rockchips were hit with incoming connection floods.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Putting a GPG gram together
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lobbes Rockchip was hit, later my rockchip was hit
BingoBoingo: Looking at the connection messages on chan lobbes seems to be using a cloak, but dianacoman's bot appears to not be
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: yes, my bot is not cloaked; dunno if that would make much of a diff tbh
BingoBoingo: I suspect someone may be crapflooding IPs displayed in join/part messages on one of the channels. This can be a problem because cloak discipline appears to have gone soft.
diana_coman: I'm still waiting on the isp to tell me wtf went on
diana_coman: that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not particularly dead as my bouncer's connected
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there was a bit earlier some weird stuff, couldn't connect to smg servers + eulora client fell down for lack of response from server
diana_coman: after a while it got back though, currently responding
diana_coman: there seems to be some overall bad-internet-weather as far as I can see
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently the full block down due to flooding
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Someone appears to be hopping around and hitting addresses. DDoS is an unsolved problem.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> that's why I didn't really bother re cloak because the ip is public anyway << Even the most trivial barrier does something, like prevent lurkbots from harvesting addresses as they connect.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't see a simpler narrative for why diana_coman's bot went down too.
diana_coman: moldavians seem to be doing fine so far ie attack still on from what they say but not making it through.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am presently connected through not a bouncer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "The attacks are moving on the range. It started with .97, then move to .99, then to .200 and so on." This supports lazy attack targeting uncloaked irc connections.
BingoBoingo: The omissions strongly suggest uncloaked IRC connections drew the aggro
BingoBoingo: The cloak is not perfect protection, but it does frustrate the lazy sort of attack we appear to have been struck by
BingoBoingo: I suspect what happened is a long stretch of relatively calm weather got a lot of people complacent on the matter of IRC cloaks.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: are you saying that "have a cloak -> no problem" or what exactly?
BingoBoingo: I am saying have cloak, ever so slightly more protected in theory yet substantially more protected in practice
diana_coman: ok but the problem is still there, only ...better hidden, no/
BingoBoingo: Well, now with cloaks attacker HAS to reveal that they are targeting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It does appear the SSLism for cloaks is still optional, but a delay needs to be inserted between authentication and joining channels
ossabot: (pizarro) 2019-10-04 thimbronion: fwiw my bouncer (running on non-pizarro box) was disconnected yesterday, and a few days prior, and although I have a cloak, it does not get applied before bouncer rejoins channels.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I trying to start by getting the portions of the range without known, uncloaked IRC bouncers opened up again. From there we continue trying to open things up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We have to start from somewhere
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform eulora server unreachable; my blog idem.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We have an asymmetrical pipe. The 200Mb/s is traffic going out of the rack
BingoBoingo: It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes re piz house; I was just noting that those have nothing to do with cloaks and irc at any rate.
diana_coman: o.O they mitigated by unplugging the paying customer, I see.
diana_coman had to follow quite a few things at the same time during this last hr so didn't focus on pizarro specifically.
diana_coman: dunno, moldavians managed to mitigate it sanely without unplugging my logger
diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
diana_coman: asciilifeform: ok, but the point here is that moldavians managed to mitigate it while under fire.
diana_coman: not that "oh, so currently not under fire because they are firing at piz"
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
deedbot: BingoBoingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty in the basement on junkyard wars connection
BingoBoingo: I have stopped irissi, weechat, and znc services on the shared machine. I am about to request the portion of the IP space not known to be running uncloaked bouncers is restored shortly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This terminal is on a radiomodem atm
mp_en_viaje: so did you folk get a banhammer smack or something ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Got flooded, appears to have been one of the lurkers havesting uncloaked ips and shooting
mp_en_viaje: amusingly, muh thing here unmolested apparently, i got complete scrollback even
mp_en_viaje: um. gotta be routable or else how would interwebs werk
diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks, I'll have a look; fwiw so far bvt's fix actually worked well for ossabot
diana_coman: it did reconnect properly the times when it just lost connection; hm, the log I saw for when unreachable, it was trying to connect
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-03 22:28:19 asciilifeform: i find it mighty 'coincidence'(tm) that for year+ we get 24/7 pipe, and then put a logger and nao dulap-I treatment.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, cool, hanbot was gonna write an article lmao.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 11:59:44 diana_coman: all 3 loggers seem synced atm; ossabot is back too, though still waiting to find out wtf happened exactly.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 11:35:37 asciilifeform: piz pipe down !!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:41:24 BingoBoingo: The cloak is not perfect protection, but it does frustrate the lazy sort of attack we appear to have been struck by
mp_en_viaje: i was under the impression you're buying dedicated pipe.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:50:07 BingoBoingo: Well, now with cloaks attacker HAS to reveal that they are targeting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:51:15 asciilifeform: incidentally iirc fleanode only supports cloaks if user connects sslistically. which asciilifeform's bot does not.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:58:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I trying to start by getting the portions of the range without known, uncloaked IRC bouncers opened up again. From there we continue trying to open things up.
bvt: asciilifeform: on the non-logging bot.py i used for testing my vpatch, i got pings from freenode only every ~140 seconds -- not 30-45 definitely
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:14:09 asciilifeform: for hr+ nao
bvt: well yes, 180 > 140; also freenode declares clients dead after ~250 secs of silence, so 180 should work
mp_en_viaje: haha, your "isp" was offline for 6 hours because "attacks" ?!
mp_en_viaje: the problem here'd be that there's only four quarters in each day and with barely thirty days in a month, your uptime comes to... two nines, o rmore precisely 119/120
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:24:41 BingoBoingo: It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood.
mp_en_viaje: did you actually get hit with some kind of notable something or wth happened ?
mp_en_viaje keeps diligently reading, and will continue, but so far can't say gleaned much from the exercise.
mp_en_viaje: so far the only constructions seems to be "gringos started asking questions about our shitty uptime, let's nullroute their boxes for a day or so and see".
mp_en_viaje: to which the only possible response would be "hasta la vista, tardsteins"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:31:54 asciilifeform: diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire
BingoBoingo: I just got off the phone, the are working on getting the upstream to remove the block. Should call back in half an hour.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:33:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
mp_en_viaje: or is the theory that THE WHOLE DC got cut off, supposedly ?
mp_en_viaje flicked through the news, no "uruguay offline as result of '''rotating dos''' " items caught my eye.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: They say this happened with their international carrier.
BingoBoingo: Their description makes it sound like the whole datacenter was disrupted by the DDoS
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's the asn for this dc anyways ?
mp_en_viaje: they don't seem to have the sense to put it on the page
BingoBoingo: Outside the WTC "Free Zone" their official registered Uruguay corp goes by PASWER INTERNATIONAL S.A.
mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you
☟︎ ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:07:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
a111: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:13 mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:37:17 asciilifeform: mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, in all honesty, so far i can't in the slightest distinguish the spew from the alleged dc from the spew of "virtual server, fiddy bux" provider.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ? << Their estimate to call back was half and hour issued 16 minutes before the question
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the fact that trilema doesn't really suffer from "rotating ddos" aka, some dork with a wp list &c, is that trilema is an adult service, rather than a flavour of above mentioned, "virtual server, fiddy bux"
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, there's a script kiddy / week or thereabouts, coming to nigh on a thousand by now.
mp_en_viaje: they don't mention this, of course, "haha, we're fucked in the head, so loser, totally stupid, tried to ddos trilema but it did not werk, we will now give up everything and dedicate remainder of lives to glorification of this our superior"
mp_en_viaje: but nevertheless, the logs, i have. which is kinda the distinguishing factor between man and child in this sense. if real ddos, there's packet captures. if derpitude, there's words.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:15:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ??
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess it's lulzyrelevant. the "Eh, dar dacă pun un articol cu o țâță, cu o bucă, cu o tipă îmbrăcată sumar sau, cum a fost ultimul, cu 2 tipe plimbate în lesă prin oraș…pac, 10.000 de vizite în primele 3 ore, de m-au sunat oamenii de la firma de hosting că ce se întâmplă, că le pun serverele în cap!" passage roughly translates to a) obscure idiotic blog organised by the remnants of [
http:// mp_en_viaje: trilema.com/2009/progresam-maria-ta/][obscure idiots from timisoara] "had 10`000 visits in the first three hours" on meta-piece discussing muh whores (which he doesn't realise YET, such an informed moron he is), and the dc called him because of SERVERS (plural).
mp_en_viaje: such delightful fictive world like one could never invent.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:41:51 asciilifeform:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940177 << i oughta expand re this. ddos is cheap but not free, if the 1e6 or whatnot winblowz boxen were evenly split to piss into 20 diff addrs, would not amount to much effect. so traditionally rotates, e.g. 3min to 1, then to next, and so on, in circle.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
BingoBoingo: I'm going to draft an inquiry for the business side contact asking what can be done to keep routine internet weather from incurring a reaction far more destructive than the weather. Will post for review before issuing. In the latest news from the tech team
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QSzj mp_en_viaje: in other minutia, since i'm using diana_coman 's logviewer i notice that ancient behaviour of, if you click on a link on the page page is reloaded came back. asciilifeform 's viewer does not do this for some reason.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so far thing doesn't seem all that kosher. i dunno wtf sense this makes, but a sit down with them will hafta happen cuz obviously pizarro's dead in the water like this
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, possibly. why would it behave differently tho
mp_en_viaje: yours does not reload the page on clicking a link ; hers does
mp_en_viaje: um... doesn't seem to load. is this affected by pizarro ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a state monopoly on data transfer. can't have meaningfully diff dcs.
mp_en_viaje: hm... apparently diana_coman 's doesn't either. i guess i must've caught self in own fingers somehow
mp_en_viaje: aite well... i guess ima bdsm partay nao. best of luck to the beached galley crew!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I intend to pointedly ask what other carriers might be more responsive.
BingoBoingo: I still have to ask what other carriers are available.
BingoBoingo: Most of Pizarro is back. Now we have to figure out how to bring 2 Rockchips and dulap back without them autoconnecting to Freenode cloakless
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it's still nullrouted atm, will poke them.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are 2 problems here. 1. ISP falls over 2. Uncloaked bouncer means sophisticated attacker can masquerade as lazy sparrow farting attacker
BingoBoingo: There doesn't seem to be any non-Gossip protocol solution to DDoS. As far as I can cleave the problems right now Latcho/Antel's inept handling of DDoS is one problem. Denying cheap cover to DDoS'r is other problem.
BingoBoingo: I suspect 1. blip in Pizarro network causes big batch of IRC reconnects, 2. Pretext to walk IPs emerges, hitting ips from /join messages during window
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm working on putting together a draft for that. Before I send it, I will paste it in channel because I would like serious feedback to make sure I am putting the right questions and pressure on them.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: We can put to rest the idea that was done in a completely automated way corresponding cleanly to joins
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Duplap and three Rockchips including mine are left in the cold atm.
BingoBoingo: I keep playing this fucking game of telephone with Latecho/Antel
BingoBoingo going to keep compiling the pointed questions
lobbes coming live from a fresh ZNC install on another box... goes to catch up on logs
mp_en_viaje: what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?!
mp_en_viaje: was their concern that your boxes were catching on fire ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:23:32 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
ericbot: (asciilifeform) 2019-10-04 baitbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 2h 8m
lobbes: asciilifeform, heh I saw. Though I'm just a customer; I'll respect BB's wishes if he wants to ban naked joins for the time being
lobbes: in any case, no live auctions atm. I can let it sit for a minute
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?! << I have no idea wtf a firewall is supposed to do against an inbound DDoS