ben_vulpes: nah, but carrying 27+lbs of kid plus groceries while i stare at the sky and contemplate nozzles that impart rotational inertia to the flugenbody is not time efficient; i can just as easily design while hefting bairns
ben_vulpes: no need to impose all of the load on others
mircea_popescu: or you could add pedals to your desk and produce your own electricity.
mircea_popescu: working towards the ultimate tmsr goal. ben_vulpes does the miners, we got an autonomous noncorporeal state going
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (you're invited to go fishing, discover fish will eat your bait and not bite) << AHA, this is where most bait goes.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to see what trump does re that only really important point.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career << haha
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) << indeed. i have collected some of these myself.
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone here who hasn't played knight;s bounty (the legend) ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally << This is where Qntra CSS is masterpiece!
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net? << this is an alley-oop
trinque: layup's a finger roll around the side of the basket, horizontal spin on ball so it rolls along backboard and in
trinque: more of a bank than roll along, but yeah
mod6: megal0g today, and yesterday. nice.
mircea_popescu: lol poor phuctor been bottling in the rage all day, now it's quiet can let loose
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 23:58 mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great."
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:56 mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: look, the problem is that as the empire grows, the army food supply goes from bushels to millions of bushels. "restrict legionnaire rations" is not a solution.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow we conquer the us and put it through the grinder, that'll result in 297mn bodies, yes
mircea_popescu: mmm. deglobalization necessarily means more sane people.
mircea_popescu: conversely, the proposition that "the sum total of people that could possibly be worth knowing is equal my dunbar number" smacks a little of panglossism
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:52 ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 21:19 deedbot: diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations.
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phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << this is the official acknowledgement of the receipt. likewise i saw it the first two times you posted it, but didn't realize that writing the nth copy of the logreader that you embarked on is a high priority republic business. seriously, what's with the attitude?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:49 ben_vulpes: phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt?
BingoBoingo: "I had seen the moonwalk [not the pedophilic stage dance, but the actual walk on the Moon that orbits Planet Earth] recently and therefore believed in what was essentially magic."
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: Reuel voiced for 30 minutes.
Reuel: where do I find more about your Eulora suggestion?
Reuel: you suggested the Eulora text mode conversion, could you tell more about it
mircea_popescu: Reuel your description is badly phrased. for instance in the first paragraph : i encounter the symbol "the best outcome for their nation", but it's not defined nor obviously supported by the introduction. leaving aside that going from "x is defined" to "x is measurable in an algebraic group which permits ordering" which is what "best" implies -- your perspective is globalist and there's no fundamental solution for a national
mircea_popescu: to put it bluntly it's either that "people vote" or that "their nation". denied middle between these.
Reuel: yeah the introduction can be ignored, this was a work in progress which should become the manual
Reuel: That was more meant to set the tone, and the target audience would be people who vote irl
Reuel: I hope you can grasp the game cycle from this
mircea_popescu: A job influences what salary a player receives << where's the salary come from ?
Reuel: payout at the start of the turn
Reuel: socialist magic :)
mircea_popescu: consider all the rest of your magic numbers. where does the one in "they can veto the outcome of one national ballot per round." come from ?
mircea_popescu: why is it not 0.984 or 1.1022 ? how do you knwo it isn't ?
Reuel: it;s a in game resource, like ehm... mana? where does it come from
mircea_popescu: "it's a supermarket item like frozen chickens, where do those come from"
mircea_popescu: just because a bunch of irrelevant games are utterly broken means jack. a) eulora isn't broken and will kill them ; and b) nobody wants to play them anyway
mircea_popescu: which is why and how they ended up the equivalent of stripper joints.
diana_coman: Reuel, I suggest you read & a play eulora for a while - it will help you with this
Reuel: I did, and I get the idea, but this is way smaller in scope
Reuel: well youll probably tell me i dont get the idea
diana_coman: what idea do you say you get? (it seems quite likely you did not get it: scope has nothing to do with it)
mircea_popescu: what does size have to do with whether something works or doesn't ? a broken engine is broken at any scale.
Reuel: that nothing in the game is free
mircea_popescu: not exactly. the point is that ~everything's balanced~.
mircea_popescu: salaries come from a social negotiation, not from the fucking white house.
mircea_popescu: when they do come from the central planning committee the country's broken, and collapsing.
Reuel: Yes I agree, irl, but this would be a small time waster, are you saying that any game that gives you "free" resources is bad?
diana_coman: fwiw it sounds to me that Reuel precisely wants to implement the planning committee possibly as a fantasy where he thinks he can *make* it work
Reuel: I hoped to see it crash and burn
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno, this may be something you might enjoy but i have no advice about
diana_coman: Reuel, unbalanced means broken; do you mean you want to implement something broken on purpose to then see then that it...breaks?
Reuel: I would say the meat of the game is in the intrigue around selecting laws that benefit groups or individuals
Reuel: the salaries. locations, jobs, are more of a setting
mircea_popescu: that usually works when there's a solid underlying reality.
Reuel: my idea was more in the sense that, democracy leads to corruption and gaming the system
mircea_popescu: yes but you need some sort of bounds for this to ripple back. otherwise it's just a free expanding system
mircea_popescu: tomorrow i vote to give myself more salary than your platform can support. i mean this literally, 1024! shall be my salary. what then ?
Reuel: well salries are set at the start, there is a national budget which is divided over all players, but certain laws can change the balance
mircea_popescu: "oh you won't be allowed to do that ?" "why not ?" "Ad hoc!" "congrats, you exported the job of designing your game to an os which was not designed to do this"
Reuel: but to get others to vote for laws that increase your groups salariy, you will probably have to either give something else up or promise to
mircea_popescu: meta will kill you every time BECAUSE if your design is uncompelling people will btod.
diana_coman: Reuel, let me see if I get this straight: you want to implement a "small" scale model of democracy in order to test whether it works; at the same time, you propose to implement it on a model of reality that is purposefully broken because..."scope is too small for it to matter"?
Reuel: hmm, the model might be totally of but the reality of human interaction and bargaining is present, and grouping, deals, promises
diana_coman: ugh, and you don't see any problem with that?
Reuel: I see the concern, yeah
Reuel: However I do think it would be a game people would enjoy, maybe not bitcoin people though :)
Reuel: I agree the money coming in is like magic, it mirrors gibmedats a bit actually, lol
Reuel: Going to think on this
diana_coman: there will be some people who enjoy X for any X really, not sure what does that do
diana_coman: as to the trouble there: it's more than a concern - it invalidates your "test"
Reuel: In the end art is to make people feel, some art makes sophisticated people feel sophisticated things, some art makes simple people feel simple things, and I guess as a starting artist, Im not that picky yet
Reuel: The democracy thing is not the main goal, just a funny side thought
deedbot: Reuel voiced for 30 minutes.
Reuel: thanks for the feedback
mircea_popescu: well, they're helpfully writing their names down, can't hurt/
mircea_popescu: "respected" "trusted". why ? "because we say so" "but you only say so so as to have said so" "exactly"
mircea_popescu: the "holds in pocket keys to own cell" doctrine (that, if you recall, superseded habeas corpus in the us "legal" system) has meanwhile pushed through and it's "plea bargain!"
mircea_popescu: this bizarre nonsense where it's enough to state something
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone seriously believes this dude's stuff is not already held by everyone interested in triplicate.
deedbot: Reuel voiced for 30 minutes.
Reuel: !register 4E7B B257 827A 825B A79D 6602 796C D488 28DD 895A
ben_vulpes: it's !!register <url-to-paste-of-pubkey>
deedbot: 4E7BB257827A825BA79D6602796CD48828DD895A registered as Reuel.
Reuel: ah right was using the OTP for rating me
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: any thoughts on rustoleum spray on rubber/"plastidip" to slow down metastasization/rusting of body panel gouge?
☟︎ Reuel: Not sure whether I missed some more talk earlier, disconnected a few times, but I'll read up in the logs. Going to mull over the no free money thing a bit.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: rust is cancer, but sealing it with paint may slow progesion. prolly safer to stick to "rustoleum" paint over a plastidip/rubberseal product
Reuel: mircea_popescu is there a spec for the bot you mentioned
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Paint. Thin layer of pigment in binder.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If your mission is stopping rust what you want is to seal the area against air and moisture. A thin layer of oil based paint does this. A think rubber or plastic glop is more likely to break its seal because soft. If thin paint breaks seal it should be noticable.
ben_vulpes: goals are twofold: prevent further paint degradation and as much rust as possible now that the skin is broken