cazalla: feb is on track to be another record month
mircea_popescu: absolutely perfect example of the pseudoscientific nature of American "science".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform minor nitpick : all these people that never ever head foreman'd a construction yard shjould stfu about "tools". the tools used to build a skyscraper are, by and large, cheaper, more worn versions of the expensive DIY crap.
mircea_popescu: exactly like how the rifles used to fight actual wars are nothing like the crazy-shit-stick-on-all-sides "amateur" rifles.
mircea_popescu: "4. if you have the intellectual and physical capacity to single-handedly deal with your program, it's a toy " <<< sheeit alf, what nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 145 @ 0.01199999 = 1.74 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
☟︎ mike_c: those qntra spikes are important though. 1% of the flash traffic sticks around and becomes regular reader
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00042605 = 7.6476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but the spikes are never 100x the averae traffic. usually 10-15x
mircea_popescu: so using your numbers... they're actually unimportant.
mircea_popescu: in other news, firefox spontaneously combusts unattended on a 4 day old system. and they call this software.
mike_c: RENT just passed one year
BingoBoingo: whaack> can i have an up! por favor << He said please
mike_c: ben_vulpes: RENT is on big bull run
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00935000 / 0.01054944 / 0.01200000 (2246 shares, 23.69404349 BTC), 7D: 0.00851001 / 0.01030218 / 0.01200000 (2730 shares, 28.12494993 BTC), 30D: 0.00505000 / 0.00827112 / 0.01200000 (7238 shares, 59.86634509 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2985 @ 0.00075004 = 2.2389 BTC [-] {7}
mike_c: floated around 0045 for a long time
whaack: how / where can I find more bitcoin stock markets like MPex?
kakobrekla: > They were called Virtual Currencies, now many prefer to call them Digital Currency or Crypto Currency.
mike_c: "The site broke new ground for security in the space, integrating Yubikey and Google Authenticator"
mike_c: !gettrust assbot burnside
mircea_popescu: and of course once that crashes it brings down the networking stack, which on ubuntu can NOT actually be restarted, mostly because it fucks up dbus and everything else.
mircea_popescu: in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu.
whaack: how many people in here have read the bitcoin core code? would anyone here consider to know it well?
BingoBoingo: whaack: I had to chop mine up these past few days. It's C++ you search the text and nuke shit that you dun like.
mircea_popescu: whaack do yourselv a favour and read the logs for an actual result, rather than !imperative all over the place and a) not get anything except for b) marking yourself for termination.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other words : i have nfi why we care so much about systemd, in fact linux has been fucked over for years now, by completely unrelated crapolade like ubunbtu. << It's a twin story. Pain and Dis-Able
mircea_popescu: there still is no substitute for homework. "socializing" not only fails to substitute, but actually has serious counterindications.
BingoBoingo: Dis-Able was first born. Disable spend many years in the shadows ruining sound and making daemon no one wanted. Pain came into the world with a bang out of Africa, promised ease at the cost of nothing working as expectabru. Two years ago they each decided to play the other's part and now systemd is loud while ubuntu silent becomes the quiet daemon that breaks apps in the background.
BingoBoingo: n00b stockpicker me from freshman year of college really should have held those Sun shares through to the buyout instead of playing the hi-lo game
BingoBoingo: I bought at $3.80-ish Oracle bought at $16 ish
mircea_popescu: it's like syphilis patient getting really excited about a phase 3 lesion on his nose.
mircea_popescu: dude... srsly missed the boat on that whole health thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7523 @ 0.00042605 = 3.2052 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not about to do that. girl's 19, and more importantly ITS REALLY NOT HER GOD DAMNED FAULT.
mircea_popescu: 27.153.187.242 - - [13/Feb/2015:17:04:50 -0500] "GET /2013/what-is-art/%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22%7C%22--%22 HTTP/1.1" 404 28932 "
http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"|\"--\"" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)"
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, what is this supposed to even be ? like a sql injection ?
mircea_popescu: and what, "enough" similar magic units to "do the job" ? looks like people try to hack like psychs try to medicate.
mircea_popescu: "hey, --\" didn't do anything on it's own, but what if you add another ?!?!
BingoBoingo: Could also be they might have been trying to trigger a resource intensive search?
BingoBoingo: I'm just watching the blocks sync and thinking to the history I and verifying as it passed. Solidly in the S.Dice era nao
BingoBoingo: After smashing my head these past few days through the painful part of the learing process... The software is now working for me instead of I for it.
mircea_popescu: "A similar example is the often cited myth that diagnosis of bipolar disorder is frequently missed. A survey found that 69% of patients were actually misdiagnosed, most often as having regular depression. An average of 4 physicians were consulted “prior to receiving the correct diagnosis.” But who is to say what is the correct diagnosis, when the diagnosis is based on vague and overlapping descriptions (and not
mircea_popescu: on objective pathology?) You can look at this the other way, and say only 1 out of 5 psychiatrists felt it was bipolar disorder, while the other 80% thought it was depression. So it pays to have the last word. Bipolar disorder is “frequently missed” not because it exists and doctors miss it, but because it is defined in a way which allows it, by 80% of doctors, to be legitimately called something else. The onl
mircea_popescu: y way to say the diagnosis was correct or incorrect, in the absence of objective pathology, is to say that the treatment they received for “bipolar disorder” from the fifth doctor was better (read: safer or more efficacious) than the treatment they received from the first four. This is not evident. "
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is EXACTLY the mechanism through which "80% of rapes are unreported".
mircea_popescu: out of five women that weren't raped, only one runs into idiots spouting insane troll logic that convinces her she retroactively was.
BingoBoingo: Re: bipolar - no one complains about feeling manic until the police get involved. Plenty of people spend lots of money of coffee and bolivian marching poweder trying to come close.
mircea_popescu: which, by proxy, is in point of fact a measure of the social influence / discoursive relevance of the insane trolls in question, and so yes it is a legitimate measure for them to target.
mircea_popescu: but this from a machiavellian "how do we become more powerful" troll logic perspective, and spcifically not from a "helping raped women" or "helpiong women" perspective.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually in functional family arrangements manic episodes are usually the modern parlance equivalent of what used to be "senile aggitation", ie, granpa keeps grabbing jane's ass.
mircea_popescu: if anyone told engel that they can have manic episodes lasting over 24 hours now he'd have caned them.
BingoBoingo: What can I say, the brokeness of English systemically effect domains people purport to be actual
BingoBoingo: 208378, took much of the off because I wasn't there to restart it while sleeping.
mircea_popescu: i think if i close my eyes and push on them really really hard i can almost sorta see the logic of this transformation.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.7.2 -qt on OpenBSD with some 0.5.3.1 patches applied as they can be (i.e. scrolling reading and fingers rather than patch utility)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Executable was finally birthed this morning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To see if it can be done. And what is the latest that still takes more of the sane patches. (entire leveldb series is out because making that build would be too much hell)
BingoBoingo: -qt just so there's more flags and libs to play with to plumb te differences between the platforms
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Build did not require the OSsuX ifdefs, but had to kill one linux ifdef and switch a boost lib called for another.
BingoBoingo: So far all crashes have come from malloc enforcing limits on its memory usage (512 MB by default) now giving it a go with moar ram.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No OpenBSD has this stuff built in. Changing process Ram limits happens in login.conf
BingoBoingo: I dunno why I've been keeping the BSD stuff to toy and appliance uses for so long.
BingoBoingo: Next to social engineering inertia has to be the second biggest threat out there.
BingoBoingo: I'm loving everything off by default and useful manpages.
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BingoBoingo: I'm leting DBUS live for now, doesn't seem to do much other than die a lot
BingoBoingo: From what I understand commercial shop Mtier which does a lot of their ports does "OpenBSD with Gnome and support contracts" as golden toilet product.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am liking though that the xserver is not running as root
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sex applications of this suddenly inexpensive >> uh what, predict ovulation ?
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2014 12:51:23; asciilifeform: phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
mircea_popescu: well... in the sense bitcoind debugging via cpu ekg is a viable strategy.
mircea_popescu: if you think you can beat the primate brain with your electonic contraptions i have a rule based expert system to sell you.
mircea_popescu: you'll probably do pretty ok picking up the ecstasy-peaking chicks in a rave, i'll grant you that.
mircea_popescu: whether they hear anything you're saying or not tho is up for debate.
mircea_popescu: temperature is a very poor variable tho. you'll just end up with a lot of flu.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, leuco jewelry was more or less popular in ro, ever since the 80s
mircea_popescu: it remains in use by basically the same demo : slightly insecure 16 yo chicks that'll go into psychology.
mircea_popescu: maybe you're right and the deep reason is that it gives away more than peoplewant to.
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mircea_popescu: snail with glider just set itserlf up for trauimatic failure.
mircea_popescu: not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars"
mircea_popescu: let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. so you pick a target this way, and somehow it works out and now it's morning and she's in bed.
mircea_popescu: do you skip to where the machine got abandoned and read her again ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not exactly, more like, "if god had meant me to gamble 10k dollars in this casino, he'd have given me 10k dollars" << Nah, he'd just make the credit officer in the cage a bit wet on the brain
mircea_popescu: if you end up in a divorce ten years later, do you take the machine to court ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck disguise it. the mentality that cunt's the enemy is principally what keeps geeks in an onansitic state.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> let's indulge this fiction for the sake of potential literature. << I PREDICTED!
mircea_popescu: this is insanity. you want a girl that can be smart, not a girl that can't be stupid, for some arbitrary levels of either. just like you seek a horse that can run quickly, not a horse that is never still.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: xfce, still cleansing/purging toolset
BingoBoingo: Background is Memorial Union at Mizzou, built in the days every public uni campus in USia was built in memorian falen soldiers of the franz fredinand police action against germany
thestringpuller: mod6: it stopped responding to get_info or at least it looks like it's hanging
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7375 @ 0.00042782 = 3.1552 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5625 @ 0.00043311 = 2.4362 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo not burning bastards, also has not come the slightest bit close to the old RAM limit since implementing new one.
cazalla: along with some shitty altcoins
Adlai: "We noticed the hot wallets dwindling but assuming it was members moving their funds off site during the DDOS, we loaded all the cold balances onto the site so that users would not have withdrawals interrupted during our periods of up time."
Adlai despairs of ever writing fiction... the truth beats anything he can dream up himself
mircea_popescu: "Remember how in May, 2005, the American Psychiatric Association endorsed same sex marriage? And you applauded the moral fortitude and progressive instinct of this august body? Well, instead of debating whether there should or should not be same-sex marriage, perhaps we should ask what modern psychiatry could possibly contribute to this discussion. The answer is nothing.
mircea_popescu: You can't get away with pat answers, such as psychiatrists see the psychiatric ramifications of discrimination or being unable to marry. There are psychiatric ramifications of bankruptcy, and war, but no one felt compelled to write a policy statement on it (and thank God.)
mircea_popescu: And no, there isn't a difference between bankruptcy and gay marriage-- not to psychiatry. That's the point. These are social problems about which modern psychiatry is definitionally ignorant. The APA did not endorse polygamy. What's the difference? If homosexuality is not a psychiatric disorder, than there is no more reason to be more for or against it than there is for any other kind of marriage. The APA is no better
mircea_popescu: suited to answering these questions than, say, the NFL.
mircea_popescu: What if the NFL came out against antidepressants in children? This is a perfectly valid analogy, because neither the NFL nor psychiatry have special knowledge that make their statements anything more than opinions. What do psychiatrists know about same-sex marriage that the quarterback for the Patriots doesn’t? Don’t laugh—I’m serious. What’s the answer?
mircea_popescu: Medicine, or the APA, can legitimately express a policy only if the policy was grounded in science or logic. Perhaps the APA cares to release this intriguing scientific data? (While it is at it, perhaps it can also release the data supporting the use of half of the medications currently favored by APA Guidelines?) But this seems pretty much business as usual for the APA. Rather than work on its own serious failings,
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why no us pseudoscientific body can be taken seriously to any purpose. especially not to the purpose it supposedly serves.
mircea_popescu: this includes the IETF as well as it includes the AMA.
mircea_popescu: can't be arsed to fix the thing, can be arsed to ban evade. very fucking smart.
BingoBoingo: bitcoin-qt is seriously just chilling now. was getting killed by malloc every half hour and now isn't even touching the line that killed it earlier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "trading" fo shitty altcoins for inexisting bitcoin is the most important part of the altcoin pumping scams.
BingoBoingo: I saw his join, but he's quiet if he's here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not particularly sad. the point ios for us to know syphilitic whore is syphilitic, not for her to not get laid anymore.
mircea_popescu: this is about me going "gtfo" to tim swanson while he derps about how "normal debates work".
mircea_popescu: did your burn rate finally catch up with the funding ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: It's been how long now, a year almost since your last visit?
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, there's literally an ocean of providers of this stuff.
mircea_popescu: you telling me you can actually eke a living in such a market ?
mircea_popescu: this is a noble goal, but a little like pron studios claiming the same.
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see my link about continued sparc production
Namworld: Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore?
herbijudlestoids: the big providers pay us lots of money to make their clouds gud
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, it's highly amusing
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids that part i can see. so more like ops consulting for iaas ppl ?
decimation: apparently they have some chip with 16 cores at 8 'threads' each
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: yeah. but we also develop IP as we go around that ops stuff
herbijudlestoids: deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc
mircea_popescu: yeah, so what's the plan, sell to microshit for 100mn in a year or two once they decide to beef up that biz ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah and then compare to similar pile of arm chips
herbijudlestoids: im in charge of ops, but my counterpart is in charge of the dev stuff
herbijudlestoids: actually, in one sense it is *TOO* big, and i got tired of working on it all day, so for hobby i now admin my own freebsd server with jails
decimation: asciilifeform: the only possibility is that usg is buying vanity products
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BingoBoingo: <Namworld> Damn, I need to use gpg to log in here now? Gribble not enough anymore? << Gribble was down too long and nanotube's vacation was long enough for people to worry about abduction
decimation: the problem with keeping things alive on bezzlars is that there's always a runt who will squeal if not on the tit
decimation: asciilifeform: well, some elder thought it was smart
decimation: asciilifeform: well, there are loads of silly-con valley satellite 'startups' that are launching plain arm chips into leo
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids tons of things. qntra.net took over the business of bitcoin news. gavin has been shot in the head, foundation's over, bitcoin "development" past 0.5.x is being considered for deletion
herbijudlestoids: TFW the USD spazzes out and causes bitcoin to drop from >1000 to <150
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Toilet pays. If volume and not weight is the concern though Osmium box.
decimation: but leo is child's play compared to van allen belts & beyond
herbijudlestoids: yea i did read some rants from you on trilema about that mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want to play around with the foundation's 0.5.3.1 builds on FreeBSD they'd probably welcome it
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: how stupid large is the blockchain right now? a billion gigabytes?
decimation: asciilifeform: it kind of surprised me that usg allowed ibm to sell their fab actually
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: You have jails you can build variations and see if they sync
mircea_popescu: decimation if you review the us foreign policy, it can't escape your notice that the us is playing exactly the role of one of the classical woman in love : will pretend like she's a priss to all comers, except there's one she will literally eat the shit from.
decimation: I'm sure that there were 'conditions' on the 'sale' (what do you call it when you give money to someone in exchange for impoverishing you?
mircea_popescu: his name's china, and the us can't even mention what he asks of her. let alone consider what to say.
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps usg is desperate for china to become big enough so that usg can surrender to it
mircea_popescu: but i mean this quite literally. scam foundation tried to push a bitcoin fork.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: I dare you to try a makefile for 0.9.3 on FreeBSD that doesn't lean on the linux emulation layer
mircea_popescu: decimation i think it's just perverse masochism. self hating liberal white people finally found an empire of nationalistic chinese froggies that despise foreigners.
decimation: mircea_popescu: maybe if we give them everything they will accept our love?
mircea_popescu: i think it was more like the first. 6.something prolly.
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be cvounterproductive. more like, give everything, maybe then they'll finally take out the whip.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: imho time spent on 0.9.x other than mining for zoological data (mutilations, fixes) is wasted << Indeed shit just doesn't work there as pete_dush discovered
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids there's tons of quick and dirty cardanos out there already.
BingoBoingo: Can encrypt from anything. Decrypt and signing are the hard problems
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be amusing if someone were to make an electro-mechanical RSA machine
herbijudlestoids: i mean, this device, it can handle decrypt/sign in the same way as cardano, but also add the ability for the user to write and encrypt a message with their key using the touchscreen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nubbins` weren't such a noob, he'd have laser etched a mechanical rsa by now
BingoBoingo: Encrypt from dirty machine and burn it until cleansed
decimation: yeah it would be very difficult to implement without some kind of state machine
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, that would have its uses too
decimation: why on earth would it need to be upgraded?
herbijudlestoids: if its software based i could theoretically use the same device to interact with other encryption toolsets like nacl or whatever
assbot: China Destroyed Control Chip of Japanese Spy Satellite with Secret Weapon | Tiananmen's Tremendous Achievements ... (
http://bit.ly/1AyHSAS )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> herbijudlestoids: what if you want to patch your hypothalamus ? << Don't remember if I did this or not.
herbijudlestoids: i want it to be software based, but handheld battery powered, airgapped, single function, etc
herbijudlestoids: yeah, im just proposing exactly that except with smaller formfactor hardware and a GUI shell that just runs seahorse or whatever
mircea_popescu: 10 yo laptops are basically the value of the rare metals in them. 20 bux.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 19:28:23; asciilifeform: what you're probably thinking of (or what you will think of, if you think long enough) is: secure terminal. complete with keyboard and display.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> laptop, palmtop (can get ms-dos!) etc << Sharp Zarus
decimation: herbijudlestoids: if you read the logs, you discover several explanations for why what you desire doesn't exist
herbijudlestoids: well, some of the odroids i know have a hw RNG, but i dont know how adequate it is
decimation: well, I assumed that the 'electromagnetic pulse weapon Poacher One' was not mounted on the j-20 aircraft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean, "the angular projection of a 10 metre target 150 km away" ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that would seem silly
decimation: yeah, I assumed the power would be lulzy for aircraft
mircea_popescu: gtfo, do you have ANY IDEA what the air looks like around your megawatt continuous laser ?
mircea_popescu: how do the intended audience of these articles imagine stuff like plasma is made
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it
mircea_popescu: moreover, iuf you need 1mw to kill a sat chip you have serious mental issues.
mircea_popescu: there's a monty python sketch about missile hunting mosquitoes.
mircea_popescu: if this satellite is a ton of iron, a megawatt OVER A MINUTE will vaporize it.
BingoBoingo: Set up pins on a salt flat, attach 16lb ball to hardpoint. Fly and release
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2015 15:33:22; mod6: youll know that you've hit the bad tx when you see an error in getinfo like this: "errors" : "WARNING: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade."
mod6: if so, then yes, you hit the bad tx, and then you need to upgrade to openssl 1.0.1g to pass over it.
decimation: but it's not clear if that's marketing spin or not, haven't tried
decimation: I guess it is rolled into the price of the whole thing
decimation: if you use their small selection of 'house parts' they do not charge a 'labor' fee
decimation: I might give them a spin to see if they really exist
assbot: Experiments and Teardown of the Teledyne LeCroy LabMaster 10-100zi 100GHz, 240GS/s Oscilloscope - YouTube ... (
http://bit.ly/1vsL0bn )
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but the real sauce is the sample-and-hold asic
Vexual: ascii that snatch sniffer might work just as well without the batteries if you get the thing close enough.
decimation: the input coax is more-or-less directly attached to their custome asci
decimation: asciilifeform: no it isn't really, how many do you think they sell? 10? 100?
decimation: once you cross into > 10 GHz signals you start having to fork over real $$ for test equipment
mircea_popescu: so it pleases me to report that virtually all links from tlp to various learned repositories of articles are dead.
decimation: "In centuries to come, future historians looking back on the current era could be confronted by a digital desert comparable with the dark ages - the post-Roman period in Western Europe about which relatively little is known because of the scarcity of written records. "
decimation: 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
mircea_popescu: well, fuck the world, trilema will survive. i guess the idea being that "winners write history".
herbijudlestoids: i am really enjoying my freebsd hobby project, gives me opportunity to implement so many things that i have let go past because i didnt need it for work
herbijudlestoids: so far: squid, ldap, kerberos, djbdns, postfix, and today i finished setting up nginx and getting "A" score on the qualys ssl test
ben_vulpes: i went heads down, next thing i know you asshats have crapped out 800 loglines
gribble: Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is not identified.
gribble: Nick 'herbijudlestoids', with hostmask 'herbijudlestoids!~sina@c220-239-186-144.randw3.nsw.optusnet.com.au', is identified as user 'herbijudlestoids', with GPG key id CA8F764D7A6DC051, key fingerprint 7BFEED118C1BD7FA160C7780CA8F764D7A6DC051, and bitcoin address None
herbijudlestoids: i guess i should stop using my home computer to connect here and start using this freebsd node
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing << for those blessedly uncontaminated with "c machine" constructs, it's hard to tell where the "c++" leaves off and the "boost" begins. it's clear that it's used in every for loop (c++ doesn't have iteration constructs?!), but the question if you didn't read closely enough was "why bother?" not "should one?"
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a lulzy exchange. the doctor_why_bother guy is a living example of 'he misses the forest for the tiny sapling'
mircea_popescu: people thinkg that effect only shows up in idiots, and so not in them. which of course is the very point.
mircea_popescu: but in fact, the moderately stupid are just as handicapped understanding why they aren't smarter as very smart people are, understanding THE SAME THING (ie, why they aren't smarter).
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time << oh this is great news you mean i have to take care of both ends? great.
decimation: it's like watching a cripple trip on a bump, adjacent to which is a sign that says "attention cripples: do not trip on this bump"
mircea_popescu: your average doobie, with a mediocre college degree and an ESL culture mostly geared towards ingested summaries is perfectly unable to decode metaphor or recognise complex enough patterns and fill in the gaps. this to him is frustrating, and the frustration is predictably resolved by lashing out (hey, it's the guy fault for using rferences i have to google and math i don't grok!11). in no way better than a clinical mor
mircea_popescu: for that matter, my "which of course is the very point" above is also "not very clear", in the sense that if one isn't particularly bright, the recursion of "what dk says is that people think they're better than they are" is not immediately glob'd into the expression.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, if one doesn't have the culture to know that glob's a verb, the above is also "a very bad argument" .and so on.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol thanks for jumping on that
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes : take the bright side of life. "not liking kids is not a valid reason to not have any - you'll be stuck with some anyway."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop wasting your hours! you're a process man, you belong to s.nsa now!
decimation: my understanding is that you are required to manually place the parts
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it gets worse. some even work for me.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so do mine. but at least a) i actually fuck them and b) i don't take them without a significant prior investment from other people.
decimation: asciilifeform: I find kicad amusing - when you go to download they have a little description begging not to download the 'old stable' version
decimation: because apparently all their new 'features' are in the new 'unstable testing' version
decimation: asciilifeform: hehe yeah I wondered when you were to walk into that
decimation: they promise that they won't mistreat your data
decimation: I guess because they can't write an
http uploader that works?
decimation: asciilifeform, what do you expect from 'hardware startup' chumpatronics?
decimation: supposedly the macrolabs people 'make the economics work' by queuing up all the jobs onto a giant panel
decimation: I'm not sure how they 'make it up on volume' if they have to hand place parts on the whole thing
decimation: pony-farts would be a fairly good way of navigating the dc traffic jams
decimation: apparently the kicad-pcb.org page is dead
decimation: I suspect they are using one of those 'ink jet' solder paste printers
decimation: asciilifeform: if they are truly able to deliver at the prices they quote on the 'demo', it seems likely that they are 'debt funding'
ben_vulpes: <herbijudlestoids> [] deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc << /me is tres jelly
decimation: yes, I couldn't find any mention of the costs of 'non-house' parts
decimation: nor a catalog of parts that 'can be had for a price'
decimation: ah, I will upload something and see what I can do
decimation: yes their house passive selection is very limited
decimation: it will be interesting to see if this 'service' continues to exist for a period of time, and if so, how it matures
thestringpuller: decimation: isn't there a super speeder law in VA and MD because people drive so terribly in DC?
decimation: thestringpuller: in VA if you are speeding 15 mph over the limit it can be considered 'wreckless'
decimation: I guess wreckless would be safe driving :)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think they have the nub of a good idea, having all the steps in manufacturing clearly brought out in one spot
decimation: the execution might not be there though
ben_vulpes: i got a reckless driving charge one time.
decimation: ben_vulpes: did they try to send you to jail?
decimation: you guys have a loud n' proud bisexual governor now
ben_vulpes: there's always something silly happening in the backwaters
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 22:07:08; mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
assbot: Logged on 14-02-2015 00:20:24; BingoBoingo: punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions? << For the time being... empirically. There a set with six year's worth a data to test against by syncing.
punkman: could just keep the checkpoint stuff though, and not verify all the ecdsa signatures.
punkman: (I'll mention again that if you let VerifySignature run on all tx's, it blows up much sooner than block 168000)
mircea_popescu: the obvious effect of "keynesian" money pumping is bubbles, but that's not the worst effect.
mircea_popescu: the worst effect is that everything forms monopolies. in a physics intuitive approach, what QE does is basically increase the superficial tension. this forces bubbles to merge.
mircea_popescu: in another perspective, qe is an abdication of monetarty sovereignty. sovereignity is a fixed sum, so it just moves in other parts of the system - monopolies form.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, however you explain it on the "micro" basis : competition and central control are mutually contradictory. much like anabolic and catabolic processes.
decimation: yes, the us today is more-or-less dominated by centralized megabusiness
decimation: because 'must grow big to get a seat at the table where they hand out bezzlars'
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even that, it's just... the *meaning* of money changes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Amex is fine. They partnered with Walmart for poor people ATM cards
decimation: the 'meaning of money' seems to have a scale from 'tool to settle private debts' to 'note from stalin'
decimation: "Chief Executive Officer Ken Chenault, 63, has introduced new products aimed at younger and less-affluent customers as AmEx seeks to broaden its appeal. The lender is working with companies including Uber Technologies Inc. and Apple Inc. to expand mobile payments, and courted Americans who lack access to traditional banks with products like its Bluebird prepaid card, offered at Wal-Mart Stores Inc."
decimation: wtf, when did it ever make sense as a creditor to make enemies with those who had money in order to court those who don't?
decimation: kinda like how 'hp' now brands chumper printer cartridges, instead of quality reliable test equipment
mircea_popescu: decimation the ones who "don't" are more valuable as bezzle access. the ones who "do" really don't.
mircea_popescu: ie, boa was "too big to fail" because it held a lot of mortgages of people WHO COULDNT PAY FOR THEM.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile jpm was NOT tbtf, because it held a lot of money from people who had money, so it could you knoiw, just steal that,
mircea_popescu: it quickly becomes perverse, the game of "let's have government in the market"
mircea_popescu: by now a "we hold 100mn chumps, who pay us 0, give us usd" is a better revenue source than "we have 1mn people paying us 1k a year each"
decimation: a dark force dissolves every economic decision into a sjw forum
mircea_popescu: well this is the problem, you know ? once you decide to try nuclear detonations in your livingroom you can no longer have "fresh milk"
BingoBoingo: Strontium makes bones strong and genes novel
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
mircea_popescu: (in romanian it means, literally, the dough part of a pizza or a cake)
Vexual: Ascii you're picking up Chinese?
Vexual: So many dialects in China.
mircea_popescu: the principal job of the nsa since about the 2010s is to be publicly and outrageously humiliated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00042369 = 17.9009 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.09396842 = 1.7854 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: This, however, is very much the result of choices in the design of the system: anyone may create a bitcoin address at a whim, as long as it is unique. But the Bitcoin Foundation—the organization that has authority over the bitcoin protocol—could change that. Before creating a new address, users could be forced to authenticate with a trusted organization. This organization would securely store information about identities, and this infor
cazalla: mation could be revealed to law-enforcement agencies only when a request for access is legally approved.
ben_vulpes: people may definitively lose interest, eh?
cazalla:
http://rt.com/usa/232219-chelsea-manning-hormone-therapy/ what a bunch of fags And from 2001 to 2011, there were 3,177 veterans diagnosed with gender identity disorder according to the Veterans Affairs Department, while overall it is estimated than one in 11,000 male babies and one in 30,000 female babies are born with the disorder, according to the Veterans Health Administration.
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assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 17:57:05; mircea_popescu: nah, first timers get a few % of the profit, and at the end of a whole year.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: When I was enlisted it was 10% of profit from the first year and negotiable beyond that after having lived a year. Market I traded lost its trade worthiness sooner than the one year though.
Adlai: one issue i'm thinking about right now is whether this is really the kind of investment mpif is after: the last two days have generated an (unrealized) loss, despite the overall portfolio valuation jumping by ~$50 per bot
BingoBoingo: Well bookeeping is almost certainly going to be BTC denominated
Adlai: right, that's why it's showing up as an unrealized loss, rather than a realized gain
Adlai already bookkeeps in btc, but he lets the bot mostly do as it sees fit, which means it travels across the entire range of all-in-btc to all-in-fiat, should the market take it there
Adlai: of course, this behavior is controllable
Adlai: oh lol, you were market making Altcoin, so no wonder it lost tradeability :P
Adlai: my long-term (years/decades) plan for scalpl, assuming i don't lose interest by then, is commodities, since i'm hoping by that point "forex" becomes a quaint anachronism
Adlai: but meanwhile btc/fiat's volume makes a great sandbox
Adlai: although i guess that's more due to s/ume/atility/
Adlai: "The latter is structured so that no withdrawals are possible at the manager’s initiative" << oh hello, this sounds familiar!
BingoBoingo: Netted a small profit on the RON, and a loss on ATC when the alternative revealed it self to be potentially unbounded costs to keep the thing alive through mining
Adlai: which is why i'm sticking to government-mined altcoins
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.0004228 = 7.6493 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: i like amex because they gave me a card without me giving them my slave id number, although i suspect they just looked it up from some database
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46400 @ 0.00043203 = 20.0462 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this shit's seriously a lot mopre trouble than it's worth.
danielpbarron: so uh.. it comes as little suprise to me that my pogo using a solid state drive is significantly faster than the one using a regular laptop hard drive
danielpbarron: i suspected harddrive read/write was the bottleneck back when i was building my first full node
danielpbarron: also, i have sucessully re-installed the OS on one of them multiple times; it is possible to screw up the install and recover from it without any major disassembly required
danielpbarron: you can just put a blank flash drive in the top usb port with an empty directory 'revert' and the thing boots up factory default
danielpbarron: and if it sees such a drive, it won't try to boot from the attached sata drive; so you can then fdisk as needed
gribble: trinque was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <trinque> mod6: lots of chatter about "can't find -lgcc_s" on teh googles
mircea_popescu: im gonna have to make another div payment set without a deed registrar aren't i.
assbot: Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. : Bitcoin ... (
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mircea_popescu: "It seems to be a way to extend and patch thee Bitcoin network without waiting on slow Bitcoin Core improvements."
mircea_popescu: it seems there's some worms more eager than some others in the government biscuit.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: more lulzy shit at
http://www.canadianbusiness.com << all these biogas precursors are in for a rude awakening. at some point they'll discover that while I have the power to make something a problem by calling it a problem, they do not (any more).
assbot: Canadian Business - Your source for market news, investing, technology, economy and Canadian industry ... (
http://bit.ly/1D8ON5G )
assbot: ButterNubber comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... (
http://bit.ly/1Eba8Z6 )
BingoBoingo: The point of this project is to provide a full node that has an explicit goal of supporting the needs of SPV app developers, as well as a place to try out more experimental changes in general. Through the course of 2013 I feel that the upstream Bitcoin Core project has become a relatively unpredictable place and I no longer feel sure that we can improve SPV mode or even that they will continue to support it at all. Bitcoin XT will
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin Core upredictable, Let's make it more so
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dunno him, thestringpuller wrote that up and sourced it
danielpbarron: i hope you guys aren't relying solely on me to achieve those ends; a lot of this is totally new territory for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5949 @ 0.00042807 = 2.5466 BTC [-]
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Thanks, but unfortunately it is already late in my part of the world. Perhaps send any questions via email and I'll try to respond in ~10hours (after sleep). Email: basil@reqrypt.org"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Really, just dropping a plaintext email address in IRC for spamzors to pick up?
Adlai: bitcoin inflation subsidizes the operation of the world's most energy inefficient clock
Adlai: and it's quite imprecise, too
mircea_popescu: there's no way to express bitcoin in fiat terms. it's not "a clock", because the meaning of "a clock" does not carry in bitcoin. yes it divides time, but differently in fundamental ways.
mircea_popescu: "energy efficiency" is not a bitcoin consideration. all energy used for non-bitcoin stuff is wasted by definition, in the bitcoin paradigm.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next step is, "participate in derpland has talent with your tv set!" and hopefully that'll relieve us of most of the current imbeciles online.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36119 @ 0.00039193 = 14.1561 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: mircea_popescu: _all_ energy, or the delta between current mining energy use, and half the planet's total energy expenditure?
Adlai: the economics change once unutilized energy is insufficient to attack the network
mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
☟︎ Adlai suspects; take everything he says with the usual shaker of salt
mircea_popescu: as far as bitcoin is concerned, there's no point to energy other than mining.
Adlai: signing transactions takes a bit of energy, and without fees from signed transactions, there's no point to mining
Adlai: still, i'm not sure that there's a rational incentive to add energy to mining activity once X% of the planet's energy expenditure is dedicated to mining
Adlai: i guess it would depend on the profitability, which starts getting outside the scope of bitcoin itself
mircea_popescu: is there a rational incentive to continue adding man-hours to women's studies ?
mircea_popescu: rational incentives don't enter into it. as far as derpy social studies types are concerned, all effort available should go into that.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that they enforce this through statal redistribution, which lives out of a hole in public choice theory,
Adlai finds himself again bringing up kahneman, who talks about "humans" vs "econs", the latter describing the rational agents of economic theory, which don't actually exist on this planet
mircea_popescu: whereas bitcoin enforces this through the nature of money.
mircea_popescu: which will crumble in contact with the other is kinda obvious.
mircea_popescu: a whiteknight is not a person. it's a manifestation of particular pathologies empowered by particular economic imbalances.
Adlai: i guess we just have different definitions of the word "human". mine is preceded with a huge "only".
Adlai next cites his dog's vet's tatoo, or at least the one he remembers: "humanity is overrated"
mircea_popescu: it's simple : inasmuch as your definition of "human" difers from "econ", it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: just like whatever in your definition of "human" differs from human biology is not objective but metaphysical.
Adlai: dunno, it makes perfect sense to me that computers produced by an evolutionary process would be far from perfect
Adlai: so "econs" are these mythical perfectly rational agents, and "humans" are these neurological shitshows full of neuroses and emotions that rarely act rationally. sure, some humans act quite rationally, but they're the exception.
mircea_popescu: if this is how you redefine your humans, i will change "don't exist" to "don't matter".
Adlai: sure. mattering is like driving skill... most datapoints think they're on the opposite side of the curve
mircea_popescu: (ie, "can't carry meaning". just like the foregoing it's also logically necessary, no debate possible. it flows from what you're saying, which is essentially "humans are noise". sure. but noise doesn't really matter. like brownian motion.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00040355 = 9.4027 BTC [+]
Adlai: dunno, nature can still matter, even if individual snowflakes in an avalanche or looters in a mob, could be removed without significantly affecting the whole. i choose the mob analogy purposefully, because these effects are rarely (ever?) constructive... construction seems to take either "superhuman" capacity (and effort), or enough time for differential reproductive fitness to do its thing
Adlai: <insufficient data for meaningful answer)
Adlai: i'm not convinced that "nature" as a whole can be considered an "econ"
mircea_popescu: just, 'no particular inclination to gaze upon chtulhu'
Adlai: it's definitely something else, not "human" - but does it act in its own rational self interest? i'm not sure the concept of "self interest" is meaningful when you're talking about "nature"
Adlai: cf "the planet is fine, the people are fucked"
Adlai: i won't dispute that nature computes.
mircea_popescu: "the planet is fine, the people are fucked" is what people say when they can't digest the obvious "if you could understand more, you could understand more"
Adlai: do you know the source?
mircea_popescu: the planet is fine. "the people" are fine. you are stupid, and your friends ridiculous.
Adlai: it's carlin on environmentalism, yes
mircea_popescu: he doesn't mean the people = "the people". he means the people = your friends.
Adlai: the tl;dr is that "saving the environment" is silly because the environment exists with or without its "savers", and that the real meaning behind "saving the environment" is "keeping this environment as hospitable as possible to us"
mircea_popescu: more like, "saving the environment" is just as silly as any one thing a bunch of useless, stupid and ignorant entities that only exist because nobody ground uncle sam into the ground yet could ever do.
Adlai: and now, for something completely different!
mircea_popescu: think "occupywallstreet" or "feminism" or w/e. "the luxor center for businessmen". these collections don't actually do anything, it's not unlike a coral discussing which way to undulate for saving the whales.
Adlai: when you designed mpex's 'quantum' matching engine, did you consider proposals of the "frequent batch auction" persuasion? i have no stake in this idea, just collecting opinions on it, as i form my own
Adlai: sure, but "frequent batch auction" has been published about a few times
Adlai: mircea_popescu: i'll take that as a "haven't heard/cared about it", which is still a datapoint
Adlai had heard the buzzword, hadn't bothered to actually read about it until now
mircea_popescu: maybe better take it as "this man won't give me for free stuff that people might get if they pay upwards of six figures in fees. my feeble attempts to defeat his defences through 9yo discoursive tactics are probably going to fare about as well as 9yos generally fare against multi million dollar concerns."
Adlai: it's an interesting idea, although i must say that - as i understand it without having read the entire paper - it's too deterministic for my tastes. i kinda like the idea of deliberately random behavior.
ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you
ruin_dpbs_life: mircea_popescu: you do business wiht dpb i'll get the police in volved
assbot: You rated user xanthyos on 08-Oct-2014, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: met in '04; he depends on government subsidies and will side with the USG in order to maintain his leech lifestyle..
Adlai was just discussing death threats yesterday... they are as effective against humans as they are ineffective against superhumans
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ruin_dpbs_life Guilford, Connecticut << it's probably a decent idea to not go throwing around threats off your home ip.
Adlai: i mean, if he's asking to get the police involved, don't they love responding to death threats?
Adlai: [for police values of "love"]
mircea_popescu: well technically this was more in the vein of horrible maiming and dismemberment threats.
Adlai: dunno officer, "you're a dead man" seemed quite clear to me
benjamindees: it's my understanding that you all are generally in favor of sidechains?
Adlai: yours would be a Miss Understanding.
Adlai: no, i feel rather ignorant of them. i understand the technical description in the paper, but haven't given it enough thought to be for or against. i can't speak for other people in this channel.
benjamindees: I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
xanthyos: to all USG people reading this log i am not antistatist or anti FIAT and i will turn states evidence on danielpbarron
xanthyos: i am only in bitcoin as a hobbyist poker player, i love obama
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that
xanthyos: please rate me down so i can't voice myself in this terrorist room anymore
Adlai: benjamindees: i just gave you the shortcut, i believe you misprounounced "thanks"
xanthyos: i want no affiliation with mircea_popescu the slave holder
xanthyos: /rate xanthyos -1 never voice yourself in assets again
assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 00:37:52; mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.
Adlai: !gettrust assbot xanthyos
assbot: You have not rated xanthyos.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: arguably, the main/relevant effect of 'sidechains' to date has been funnelling VC money into subsidizing full nodes... although i guess you don't trust full nodes run by those people... but you don't have to because bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Yet another one of them is that consumers revolt, entrepreneurs intervene, before the end of 2015 there's about a thousand to a million different Bitcoin forks, each with its ten million-ish monetary base worth about a dollar, on global average. The size of the inter-Bitcoins market, the complexity and confusion ensuing makes pretty much everything unmanageable for the "ordinary person".
mircea_popescu: which is fine, they can struggle for as long as they can gather the energy.
Adlai: note that for the "real bitcoin", this just has the effect of further distinguishing it as such, if the current mess didn't do that well enough
mircea_popescu: good article, that, incidentally, in that it plainly discusses in 2013 things people imagine are "about the future" in 2015.
benjamindees: so, you're saying sidechains are better than alts
mircea_popescu: all screws are better than thumbtacks for the man holding a hammer.
benjamindees: "there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way. The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed.
mircea_popescu: so your avenue to pay for your starbucks is a) give them some of your money ; b) borrow some money to give them or c) buy another soda ?
benjamindees: more transactions == growth in transaction volume == more fees, not just higher fees
Adlai: benjamindees: wait, let's back up a bit, if not for your then my sake. what's the point of sidechains? i don't think it's "paying for bitcoin mining"
Adlai thinks that federated sidechains are a great idea and cointip, bitbase, changepay, whatever they're called - should be using those, if they want transparency
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benjamindees: Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it. I was under the impression you were for the idea.
Adlai: again, federated sidechains - great idea. you want a ledger with centralized control but accessible to the public, that manipulates btc denominated assets? this is how.
benjamindees: I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
Adlai: (granted, it's a lot more work than just asking people to trust you)
mircea_popescu: benjamindees you're completely and utterly misrepresenting the discussion.
mircea_popescu: if you're doing this by accident, you'll stfu and go read. if you're doing it deliberately... well... you'll keep at it and we'll have our lulz and move on.
mircea_popescu: i do not correct you, you're not tim fucking swanson. you correct you.
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benjamindees: I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
Adlai: benjamindees:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rai_stones << money doesn't have to be convenient to be useful, and there are zillions of ways to handle amounts that aren't worth the transaction cost of lugging the whole thing around; some ways are more transparent (like federated sidechains), and others less (like changetip). non-federated sidechains require changing bitcoin itself, so let's see real
Adlai: world use of the version that doesn't require a change before we talk about making changes - my 2¢
mircea_popescu: the notion that you may participate without understanding is like... well, what all comedy gold is made out of, i guess.
mircea_popescu: how did you get this idea, that if you don't follow something it's incumbent on me/the school/the world to fix it for you ?
Adlai: think of the sarcasm as a barrier of entry against butthurtion
Adlai: "but the energy, effort and resources which could have been expended on comfortably yielding and productively submitting" << lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6481 @ 0.00039004 = 2.5278 BTC [-]
punkman: ruin_dpbs_life: danielpbarron: you're a dead man i'm going to fucking do whatever it takes to hurt you << lolwut
punkman: wasn't he the fellow with the broken dick?
punkman: danielpbarron: why the hardon for you?
danielpbarron: he has nothing better to do, and has apparently been obsessing about me
punkman: paranoia about losing benefits?
danielpbarron: yes; he gets checks from the state for being crazy
Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient
danielpbarron: i'm not sure how much of it he sincerely believes, and how much is an attempt to get a rise out of me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46650 @ 0.00038643 = 18.027 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: * Adlai wonders what such a person's shrink would think if first hearing about bitcoin from such a patient << srsly.
Adlai: my first 'irl friend' who became a holder has remarked that the main (if not only) obstacle to holding is a social one; so anybody who has been marginalized their entire life (in this case, we were discussing religious minorities, but this equally applies to the 'functionally insane') is automatically more receptive than the mean
Adlai: well, ok, not anybody, those that have learned from being marginalized that 'society' isn't necessarily acting on any good reason
Adlai: social, in the sense that you hold fiat because that's what everybody else holds
Adlai: hanging onto cash during times of trouble is rather similar to 'hodl'
punkman feels no need to talk about bitcoin with random people or meet local bitcoin holders
cazalla: way to butcher PseudoNode spelling
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2362 @ 0.00073052 = 1.7255 BTC [-] {10}
cazalla: danielpbarron: he's never worked for a living in his life <<< maybe he can get a job as a postman because he never fails to deliver
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00038329 = 19.452 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mircea_popescu: btcd chewed up a drive on me; that stream of "adding orphan block" was preceded by an input/output error barf
trinque: redid the thing with the bootstrap torrent on the server, and it's on mid december as of now
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 271 @ 0.00395513 = 1.0718 BTC [-]
trinque: kicked it up to a bigger ec2 instance; not exactly a mindboggling increase in the rate of munching blocks
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: ben_vulpes it got past the wedge <+thestringpuller> "blocks" : 164713 << looks to me like you just hit a spot where it was slow, maybe a lot of disconnected blocks. this isn't the "wedge" block we were hitting. tx we had issues with (VerifiySignature) was in block 168,001. It's all in the logs.
mod6: If you got past 168,001 without any erros reported in `./bitcoind getinfo` then you should be alright.
mod6: thestringpuller: np
thestringpuller: it's also slow as molasses and they want to increase the size of these blocks?
mod6: well, remember, I've personally gotten past that block probably a dozen times with openssl 0.9.8o with config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 }
mod6: and recently, TomServo was able to fully sync the blockchain with config: v0.5.3 + patches + { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } AND with openssl v0.9.8o
mod6: so its totally inconsistant
mod6: ok 180631 and no errors, looking good. see, it's inconsistant :)
mod6: you're on debian 7 right?
mod6: we're running on squeeze (deb 6)
mod6: you might be the first to be testing on deb7, not sure.
thestringpuller: if it gets current blockheight, i'll open up ports and run this as my full node instead of 0.8 version was tricked in to using.
mod6: thanks for testing. if you put together a pastebin of your findings: `./bitcoind getinfo` `openssl version -a`, etc. that would be helpful for our permutation matrix
mod6: ok thats awesome. although, i think what everyone has been running up to now is a dynamically linked version of the output binary. which shouldn't even be availab.e
punkman: I compiled and run up to wedge on deb 7
mod6: when statically linking via the makefile.unix that's included with v0.5.3, I can't even get mine to compile correctly. So, I'll be spending a lot of time probably re-writing the entire makefile
mod6: it'll build, it'll build the `bitcoind` binary dyamically linked.
mod6: which we won't support.
mod6: for the last 48 hours i've been working on trying to get it to build against static libs.
mod6: it will build all of the necessary things inside of the output binary, instead of leaving that stuff to call out to a seperate place
thestringpuller: okay i see. been a lot longer than I realize before really looking at C/C++ code. (although this i pretty much all boost which I guess alf pointed out)
mod6: makes for a larger output binary (by about 10mb) but is more safe incase someone were to do something nasty with a lib that is dynamically linked
mod6: aight. so yeah, stay tuned. as soon as I get anything working with static libs and static linking of the output object files from the bitcoin source base, I'll give an update.
mod6: it probably will take a while.
mod6: thestringpuller: no.
mod6: as you just proved, it'll make it past it sometimes, and sometimes not. im sure there is some sort of reason for this, but we dont know what it is at this time.
mod6: We'll figure it out at somepoint. I think, for now the important thing is that we have a workaround.
mod6: There's a lot of moving parts in there, and deps. It's hard to put a finger on what exactly it is, right now. Especially since we are all using slightly different environments. Too many variable.s
mod6: Anyway, none of this really matters until we can get a statically linked build.
cazalla: thestringpuller, approved, but shouldn't you be working? :P
cazalla: i figured it for friday but look.. sunday morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00038839 = 14.953 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: thestringpuller: is that only importing from gribble's wot when a new member joins the -assets wot?
thestringpuller: Nah its a static graph. And I need to redo one of the algorithms to only list those with L2 trust, a few pop up that shouldn't be there.
thestringpuller: eventually i plan to run cron job that pulls data from kako's w.b-a.link api