a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 19:37 mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
Framedragger: (in fairness, it wasn't 'newlifeomg!', it was 'a buncha things in 1991~2 .lt during bank crisis etc')
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 22:37 Framedragger: funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
mircea_popescu: also a row boat where you live goes for $200 to $800 depending on model.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 01:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
mod6: !!key pete_dushenski
mats: ya but that dummy had nothing but insinuations
mats: and claims as to 'our team was looking for hardware backdoors' when the guy's a 'journalist' is dubious at best
mircea_popescu: burned hole, "plox upgrade to new one" business as usual.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 00:54 asciilifeform: cheap.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 01:43 mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc.
BingoBoingo: Here ethanol free is available from stations near lakes
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could you take a picture of said $28k pickup ?
BingoBoingo: Beware toyota trucks from regions subject to winter road salting
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1420.61, vol: 8440.46864327 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1385.0, vol: 7184.81149 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1558.0, vol: 21317.99741662 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1211.369796, vol: 8118.75810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1410.99, vol: 5414.76249866 | Volume-weighted last average: 1438.87914435
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: so powerboats don't seize up or what ? << Yes
BingoBoingo: You'd be suprised the amount of water "Up to 10% ethanol" can absorb
BingoBoingo: Ethanol free gas also very useful for 2-cycle power equipment because carb'd rather than fuel injected (for now)
BingoBoingo: Sometimes there are weird exceptions to ethanol free lake gas being great for small motors, some of the 4-cycle hondas have trouble with octane numbers over 89 and the ethanol free lake stuff is the premium 91, 93, or 94 octane
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 01:14 asciilifeform: whether lizard hitler alone, or 10,001 scriptkiddie derps, have the key, is immaterial
Framedragger: ^ alf seems to have covered (and dismissed), tho
Framedragger: HN is like "Ah geez. Time to create a competent chip manufacturer. Anyone got a spare US sized military budget?"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 11:09 Framedragger: HN is like "Ah geez. Time to create a competent chip manufacturer. Anyone got a spare US sized military budget?"
Framedragger: aha! that'd be something. i mean, still full-on DMA, but yeah, k.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger like in that scene derps love to quote, "what good is a phone mr usg, if you can't talk ?"
mircea_popescu: not exactly undoable, either, but not much of a priority as we don't have yet a tmsr internet spec.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not on cisco equipment" part == "incompatible nic".
Framedragger: asciilifeform: can also attempt to block specific ports with *external* firewall
mircea_popescu: Framedragger only if the firewall isn't a slut for the same punters.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile got this noob discovered eulora, is about to explode inwardly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but just make it incompatible with internet. nic / "router" / whatever item which a) sprays out numbers just like current but b) does all the alf magic routing + encryption + etc.
Framedragger: b-b-but they have a list of approved ports and they would only use them approved ports!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 18:41 mircea_popescu: count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs.
mircea_popescu: sure as fuck no one in 2009 was willing to buy the 2009 crap.
mircea_popescu: this whole "lets you" verbiage about computers, i remember when it started, too.
mircea_popescu: it started once "romanian language" became a thing, they started hawking keyboards for it and "localized ms office" and bullshit.
mircea_popescu: and a whole generation of fucktards who should have been hung instead got into computers.
mircea_popescu: to them it seemed natural to get a govt job and explore what the computer "lets them" do
mircea_popescu: then 15 years later they're having "a conversation" on ~~facebook~~ about things (
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-29#1649833 ) and expect to be taken seriously, and for their INCREDIBLY offensive tone to pass as socially acceptable. the romanians of facebook, disgusting crawlies that came out of the eggs laid by the "romanians on ms office" repugnant creepies.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 12:43 mircea_popescu: aaand in not-really-news : avalance in retezat (romanian mountain) killed a few kids that were european and world record holders in mountain-related items. ro "our democracy" media railing about how the trainer (also father of one of the victims) "forced his two daughters to break record after record while training in EXTREME CONDITIONS!!!1 ONLY TO SATISFY HIS OWN EGOTISM!!1111"
Framedragger: yesyes, "not in wot" is central nail in coffin against any of these, sure. (nevertheless could be useful for certain isolated efforts, e.g. ip space scanning and so on.)
Framedragger: yesyes, "not in wot" is central nail in coffin against any of these, sure. (nevertheless could be useful for certain isolated efforts, e.g. ip space scanning and so on.)
Framedragger: i vaguely recall, yes. shinohai you use hashbang, right? fwiw vc's box.cock.li + scaleway (hourly billing) work for vps purposes (but no bitcoin for scaleway)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: only in the form of air being in the middle between antenna and shitty access point in cafe, in this case heh.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-02 14:44:25: <shinohai> weird dunno why that posted twice
shinohai: yup using hashbang for now, though plans are to move the whole shebang (pun intended) at some point this year.
shinohai: Probably around the time the whoreticulture blog gets stood up.
Framedragger not too far off from idea of offering at-irc-fingertips vps to l1. maybe someone is having similar idea, tho? ;)
mircea_popescu: well it was sort-of in the logs, at least in general, but it's still a very cool idea very much needed. scriba-based provisioning or what ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes, something like that. same !!v principle. user gets ssh login. billed (if at all) by the minute, or the likes.
Framedragger: there is a question just how much would people use it. of course, best market research is testing the market itself...
mircea_popescu: could I do something like !$mirror <url> 5 so as to get it to spin up 5 separate instances, load url, unpack it and serve ?
☟︎ shinohai: I'd certainly be more likely to use irc shell from a tmsr Lord than rando docker service ran by SV weirdos
Framedragger: (also, perhaps a more gradual way of "easing into" tmsr-isp?)
mircea_popescu: then we could just maintain static versions of trilema, qntra and anything else tar-gz'd and ready to go.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so the url would contain what, static contents for web serving?
mircea_popescu: fast and painless mirrorring is certainly a valid application for your irc'd vps,
Framedragger: easiest way of doing this if it were to return a non-dns-poisoned ip, as in, trilema.com/stuff1.tgz => 45.56.78.91/stuff1/
mircea_popescu: there's really no need for domain names generally, and certainly no actual utility in this application.
mircea_popescu: and this is a bona fide economically useful service, mind you, it'd entirely cut the whole "cloud" business at the knees, seeing how 99% of all the actual value they deliver is ~this, execpt at 100x the financial and 10`000x the administrative cost.
Framedragger: so in this case it'd just be static content hosting, which is minimal on cpu etc.; there could of course also be an option of supplying a (signed, of course) payload, but less clear on definite application.
mircea_popescu: with deedbot payments imminent, it may well take off even
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no. no fucking payload. the web has no business being in state.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well, while i of course agree in general, i don't agree in particular: i'd certainly find it useful to be able to supply a "curl phuctor stats every 24h, serve here" instruction. or, you know, "submit key", or "comments", or anything else of the sorts.
Framedragger: interested to hear what mircea_popescu thinks re latter, tho ^
mircea_popescu: if you're going to actually build uci, go right ahead. all intel servers are at your disposal.
mircea_popescu: btw, that separate means ~separate~. it's ok to advertise a max you can supply, 3 or 15 or w/e it is.
☟︎ trinque: put a sheet on your bed god, and get it off the floor
trinque: she's got a bare mattress with a cat on it, looks like
shinohai: Perhaps her owner got tired of dragging her out from under the bed and removed the frame to ensure compliance.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-12 21:41 ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx file) and in a random
mats: get the right bytes in memory and windows will execute arbitrary PE file
mats: lenovo used it to persist, iirc
mats: (referencing next-gen fritz convo from earlier this morning)
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1650908 << i assume that here you meant "separate physically", even though the context was a discussion about vps? there could of course be a knob (separate instances, or separate instances on different boxen; the latter attracts a higher cost).
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 15:50 mircea_popescu: btw, that separate means ~separate~. it's ok to advertise a max you can supply, 3 or 15 or w/e it is.
Framedragger: (costs could almost-equalise at scale, but until then, it'd be more costly i would think.)
Framedragger: well, for purposes other than mirroring (CDN'y purposes), it could be useful. e.g. when i had to spin up 13 vps instances at once, i only cared that they had separate (dedicated) resources and IPs
Framedragger: but i can certainly understand the separate-machine constraint for mirroring etc.
Framedragger: it would, however, require having more than one physical box at-the-ready. which is fine and how providers work anyway, but the matter becomes cost-effective only at some degree of scale, then.
Framedragger: unless of course one finds a provider which can provision physical boxes in a matter of minutes programatically, but the whole thing would then be a bit like a reseller-for-bitcoin, no?
Framedragger: (or, becomes cost-effective if users commit to more extended periods of time; i suppose the thing would have to be flexible re. latter, anyway. i may want to spin something up for testing purposes just for the evening; or, i may want the thing for months+ (with expectation for a discount.))
Framedragger: (ideas and merciless criticism very welcome, as always)
mircea_popescu: not entirely sure why you want to charge per minute necessarily.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "different ips" in the sense of, "same box, same c block" is somewhat naive. they're not that different.
Framedragger: again, yes i understand, but really depends on application/purpose. being able to assign IPs from different c blocks is (eventually) desirable, but may be too steep in the beginning.
Framedragger: re. per minute, i guess i should reach out to consult first eh - this was borne from a solipsistic "me as a customer" consideration: e.g. i want to test out some trb feature across multiple different instances, i need good i/o and memory; monthly costs would not be trivial (for the purpose at hand), so i wish to be charged on smaller timescales.
Framedragger: the latter may only make business sense at some degree of scale, however (unless the per-minute rate is very high...)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i mean, when you're thinking of spinning up those mirrors, you (i now suppose) think in terms of months/weeks, not days or hours or minutes, hm. yeah, i see.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 24 * 60 = 1440
mircea_popescu: there's three degrees of magnitude between the day and the minute. is that your granularity ?
mircea_popescu: but sure, day works, hour works, i have nfi who would not be interested in a per hour deal because he wants per minute!!11
Framedragger: i was thinking, minute / hour / day (with discounts at each level), which is less coarse in terms of "jumps"
Framedragger: well, i recall asciilifeform's "nearlyfreespeech" hosting provider which boasts are "very honest" resource cost scheme, something to the degree of seconds, with loyalty (depending on total resource usage) discounts being applied every second (or minute, too) :D but that can be a bit childish.
Framedragger: just realised that NFS is nigh-unusable for very-fixed-cost "just tell me how much it'll cost" company/project budgets, lol
mircea_popescu: but it occurs to me cs weenie oriented hookers totally should have a per-second fee scheme.
mircea_popescu: ideally the way this goes, you call the agency, girl shows up, you spend ten minutes going through legal red tape / reading paperwork boilerplate / filling consent forms whatever. then you pump her a little, there's various gizmos and gadgets measuring things, then you play a little board game on the basis of the measurements for say 20 minutes or so.
mircea_popescu: then you win and your 40 minute lunch break is almost over, everyone's very happy and can go on with their life.
Framedragger: you may have just described japan's "comfort boy/girl" / "girlfriend experience" service offerings (mixed with their "hourly billing" airport sleeping-capsules)
mircea_popescu: i bet you right now there's thousands of depressed dudes in ugly tshirts scattered all over silicon valley who would call a hooker if only a) half hour weren't the shortest quanta available and b) they were petrified they've got no way to amuse a girl for a WHOLE half hour, even if she were slightly retarded.\
Framedragger: actually, their airport hotels should have this. "bob, file a patent!"
trinque: Framedragger do you launder your workday sins in here or what
trinque: "no really VPS is a thing"
Framedragger: i thought there may be a demand for vps. multiple parties indicated such, including mircea_popescu.
Framedragger: how it is done -- another matter. sorry if too much noise.
trinque: the mirrors thing benefits how from virtualization?
Framedragger: damn i forgot the secret sauce, i'll maintain deedbot's l1 mappings in mongo cluster
trinque: sounds like a wget -R and perhaps rsync job, at the most
Framedragger: trinque: does not require a full machine, cheaper. just that. unless there is an expectation that not only should multiple mirrors of same tarball be on different machines, but that also no two different (from different users, say) tarballs should be hosted on same machine.
Framedragger: ah, you mean in the sense that no need to run separate linux, even. sure, maybe
Framedragger: trinque: multiple mirrors (from say different user) can run on same machine. vs. "whole machine dedicated to one mirror"
trinque: I am currently paying some guy in the midwest a grand total of 32 bezzlebucks a month for two boxes that would trounce any VM
trinque: what the fuck those are called directories
Framedragger: nb, do you mind if i ask how much traffic (unless unmetered) you get and whether this is colo (in which case, appreciation costs, too)
trinque: iirc mod6 or somebody may have picked one up
Framedragger: yeah i remember you mentioning the provider before, cool
Framedragger: i'd rather not host in the u.s., but at the same time i'm not convinced just *how* much actual +ev does a "non-nato" provider give
Framedragger: sliding the point? sorry, no intention to do that. i see trinque's point, sure
trinque: Framedragger: the datapoint I gave is in re: "VPS is a thing" not "here host in usglandia"
trinque: go a couple generations of hardware back and should be cheap cheap
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how do you go from " a grand total of 32 bezzlebucks" to "e i'm not convinced just *how* much actual +ev does a "non-nato" provider give" ?
trinque: and it'll still kill any VM
Framedragger pays ~24-30eur/mo. per 16 gb ecc ram xeon box, so should know better
trinque: it'd be worthwhile to reflect on why "no really what I have to do to pay rent has a future"
Framedragger: because it may be more than $32 if it's somewhere else but i MYSELF DEFEAT THIS POINT sorry damnit.
trinque: maybe your way of paying rent has no future. better plan ahead I guess
Framedragger: yeah. ftr i do not survive or profit from vps. it can be useful sometimes (such as FOR INSTANCE for scanning the damn ipv4, overnight, and not paying for whole month, or for whole box.)
trinque: so then broaden the category to "shit I read on hackernews"
Framedragger: well, i don't have good track record here, so eh
Framedragger: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p ^ hooker for geeks in lisp, biznis idea
jhvh1: Framedragger: The operation succeeded.
trinque: anyhow. in other "cheap computers > vps", the pcengines apu2 is now shipping.
trinque has one in hand, shall post writeup soon
trinque: making a repeatable gentoo recipe for the fucker
shinohai: Anyone doing bizness involving hookers now owes Baron Titsbare slut tax. >.>
ben_vulpes: historic neighborhood associations responsible for such gems as colonial heights, the entire nw urban area, buckman etc, are now being politely shown the door by "the rent is too damn high"/ex bookstore owner turned city commissioner chloe eudalay in preference to ethnic groups
mircea_popescu: the only question being, are you going to burn down city hall / hang chloe by her fallopian tubes ?
ben_vulpes: no i'm leaving, you think i want anything from this shithole?
ben_vulpes: next step is to cross state lines and deprive them of my bezzlars as well.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how many trips in two seater does it take to evacuate fambly ?
ben_vulpes: yeah there's one of those in the library
ben_vulpes: real question is how many fambly members it takes to evacuate fleet
ben_vulpes: everyone knows how to work a manual transmission too.
Framedragger: hah, u.s., where knowing how to handle stick is not implied by knowing how to drive :D
ben_vulpes: where having a penis does not make you male either
ben_vulpes: magic land of endocrine disruptors in the water table
ben_vulpes: microtruck does not typically need ultra wide gearing
ben_vulpes: but shit damn some day i am going to get back behind the wheel of a unimog
ben_vulpes: had one of those and one even larger at $summercamp
shinohai: DEM GODDAMNED RUSSIAN HAX0RS!!!
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: my parents packed the children of my generation off to desolate islands during the summer to kill things, camp, boat around the archipelago, climb mountains, break each other's fingers etc under the supervision of other, slightly older children and a smattering of 'adults' responsible for taxes and calling medevac from time to time
Framedragger: so the films tell me! but this particular description is nostalgia-inducing (where nostalgia may not even have a reference, in my case/context). sounds amazing.
ben_vulpes: oh perhaps you are asking if i meant burning man?
Framedragger: haha :D no. i guess there is that, too. it got even more expensive as of late, didn't it
mircea_popescu: gotta pay for all the special accomodation for dickless bureaucrats trying to pick the peon ranks for fuckable slavegirls while the ac is going full blast.
Framedragger: there must be a more efficient means of doing that... but i guess it needs to sell them the story of "one with the universe" and ecology, too, due to self-deception
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 02:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is, the problem with it is that 10% or less of the payola is paid out as bezzle usd ; the remaineder 90% or more is paid out as pats on the back, empty and baseless congratulatory verbiage and generally speaking psychotronic noise.
mircea_popescu: if they actually understood their place in the world somewhat closer to reality, there could be. but as it is they overvalue themselves to such a degree, people are stuck paying for it with pretense.
mircea_popescu: hence all the ~beat them~ references. the only way for it to be more efficient is shedding a healthy 99.9% of the inflation of self worth going around.
Framedragger: (this relates in my had to shinohai's WP article, hillary blaiming russian hackers for election loss. loootsa collateral damage from inflated self-valuation...)
Framedragger: right right, the inflation is cumulative so to speak, and permeates to many places.
shinohai: Hillary lost long before Russian hackers were ever even finished doing recon, tbh
Framedragger: trinque et al.: thanks for (as always) righting me. i have a shitty follow-up that is still bugging me. here it is, condensed: i think there is a service niche (again: i am in no way vested/involved as of now) for offering a shell with limited resources and (say) a bouncer (like hashbang.sh), for "dirt cheap".
Framedragger: you may not use it yourself because, barf, (1) "just get a real thing already", and (2) "i have more things to host, so why should i pay for this AND that, separately". but for someone who only needs bouncer and maybe-sometimes-ssh (writing small bot in vim, connecting it to irc, etc.), it makes sense to pay very-little for a very-little-thing.
Framedragger: it's ~petty in terms of business/margin/etc., but as a tmsr service, it may be useful to have, for some people. can you see how vps (in this fashion) may remain part of world for at least i dunno several more years? apologies if this line of reasoning totes ruins your day.
Framedragger: same. (it's not like i'd quit $job if this is done anyway, so even by trinque's line of reasoning, won't go homeless in 6 months!1)
trinque: gonna have to explain to me wtf conflates "I get a weechat and shell" with "need massive shitstack of xen/kvm/strange"
Framedragger: with no implication that "no you get unique box" in service offering.
trinque: you know people sold shells before this virtualization thing existed
Framedragger: trinque: i'm not constructing a technological argument. i'm saying, actual cost would be dirt cheap, hence for customer it would be dirt cheap.
trinque: what the hell does "now I have 300 kernels" in memory buy you but attack space
Framedragger: oh aha, misunderstanding of term (i was the one to abuse it). for me "vps" meant any kind of stack-i-zation of this kind, not necessarily xen/etc.
trinque: and no pretense that they are safe from each other
Framedragger: but yes good point, one needs to carefully think what exactly is to be offered, and then "parallelize" on those exact things, not "generic containers".
trinque: either user separation exists or doesn't, and if doesn't, explain to me how "but yeah and then we take a massive dump where had tiny dried turd" and this is better
Framedragger: i 100% concede, why pretend and bloat. picture wasn't sure in my head before, "vps but uhh more light", maybe it's just unix users lol. damn.
Framedragger: was it hashbang or sth that even set you up with default tmux arrangement where weechat was running with support irc channel open. looked quite neat
shinohai: Hashbang irc blows because forced ssl
Framedragger: shinohai: jhvh1 is also on hashbang, right? how does hashbang force ssl for *that* one, i wonder? by whitelisting irc ssl port only?
shinohai: No, I mean their *own* irc server (and the phree webspace) forces it. But you are welcome to run other services as you please.
shinohai: jhvh1 almost didn't live there because they did python "upgrade" to 3 and removed 2.7 .... after much bitching and a few bitcents of admin greasing I got it back.
shinohai: ( A long time ago, hashbang was actually a gentoo thing but was then debianized by powers that be )
Framedragger: ridoinculous that it needs doing in the first place of course :(
shinohai: I'm unsure why I even started using the place, besides knowing a person or two there. I always liked sdf better for my shell needs. They only recently started accepting Bitcoin for memberships so I need to renew again, for life this time.
shinohai: BWAHAHAHA an FBI translator defected and traveled to Syria to marry the ISIS recruiter she was investigating.
ben_vulpes: and only got two years when she got home
ben_vulpes: (because of course she came screaming back)
shinohai: "German rapper turned IS recruiter" <<< lulzy
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:32 mircea_popescu: last i checked ovh did not own the dcs.
mircea_popescu: look at that, simplified corporation with a quarter billion in debts at a 1bn valuation and 300mn revenue.
Framedragger: nb if revenue steadily rising (they're opening a dc in .uk and a dc in .pl, lotsa investment)? :)
Framedragger: (i think lots of .fr co's are "simplified corporations"?)
Framedragger: whoops sorry, thought i'd stab in dark as that info was on wiki in that order. morning star prolly just copypasted from it. or vice versa, hard to tell these days
Framedragger: i wonder how exact those revenue figures are, if it's a "simplified corp" (and not publicly traded it seems), but yeah guess so
Framedragger: a friend needed bank account for a french job. got assigned "personal assistant" at bank. now assistant asks to meet every $x weeks, they go for coffee or something. which is maybe great in HNWI world, but she's not "HNW" and just has a normal not-high-paying job. ahh the french
mircea_popescu: so you take hot girl out for coffee every few weeks. that such a horrid fate ?
Framedragger: not at all, i guess i'm just used to cold and person-less banking (which i actually enjoy tyvm), but yeah i see
BingoBoingo: "Long considered the pillar of citizen input for city policy-making, neighborhood associations now seem to take a back seat to groups based on racial and cultural identity, as well as to issue-based groups." << Nice, Portland is inviting the Klan back to the table
BingoBoingo: "especially in light of what’s going on politically across the nation under President Trump." << Then why is the boss hogplanet standing in front on the Trump train? They don't call it a "cattle catcher" without reason
BingoBoingo: "A bookstore owner, self-identified queer person and single mom with a disabled son, Eudaly campaigned heavily on better protections for renters and some form of rent control. The 46-year-old gained momentum as months went on, striking a chord..." << With the City's many other femayo lardbarges on the wrong side of the tracks
BingoBoingo: Why not just blockade metformin and insulin going in to portland?
ben_vulpes: why bother, whole place is going to collapse under its own weight and its dependent poor
ben_vulpes: or sink into the quagmire of flood washout it was built upon come the first tremor of any note
BingoBoingo: Wait, you have floods too? The Kaskaskia River is out of its banks and wrecking the shit out of some corn fields
BingoBoingo: Along with Shoal Creek, Beaucoup creek, and Big Muddy River(Not to be confused with the Mississippi river)
ben_vulpes: this'd have been a few tens of thousands of years ago but yes
BingoBoingo: In other recent events: "On Sunday morning, a culvert collapsed underneath the front parking lot of Dunkin’ Donuts and Subway on Rendleman Road in Carbondale, causing the entire lot to sink."
mircea_popescu: i expect asciilifeform and no one else would well enjoy it.
Framedragger: wait what is this? :D also 'A Hoax of Hate: Henry Ford and "The International Jew"' ahaha
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a decade ago, some dorks got some money together paid some english speakers to mock romanians' efforts at translating shakespeare, and everything else.
mircea_popescu: the mockery itself was not bad, notwithstanding the sad situation of the dorks somewhat in the vein of you know, that fat annoying kid with a hot older sister. "why should i wash, have you seen the boobs on Jane ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: it's a very good catechism of the thing, really. honest toil and honest cunning. very square jawed.
mircea_popescu: besides, who even knows the ancient hick-hock joke anymore ?
mircea_popescu: you'd have to be mp, and to have read at oxford before trafalgar, to know such things.
Framedragger: by following this conjunction and assuming continuity of identity, we trivially deduce mp to be over 200 years old
Framedragger: it's the usual case with self-referential mp-complete systems