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asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: once you get a pgp key, consider registering with deedbot
Barbarossa_: time to setup all the PGP stuff and a hot wallet to send the bitcoin etc
Barbarossa_: did you also create the PGP signing dongle thing?
Barbarossa_: no - my PGP keys were all generated on a diddled wintel box
danielpbarron: oh, do you have a RSA key, AlfredAlfer ? pgp/gpg
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707437<< nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707563 << nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one. ☝︎
asciilifeform: fyr: get an old laptop with no nic and pgp on that. fiddybux.
fyr: Anyway I know I'm on the larp server for "not getting pwned by unspecified pgp-fearing non-Mossad is hard, reliable backups and Linux audio is easy"
fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x" ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc << example.
asciilifeform: pgp
mircea_popescu: kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys ; but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf.
mircea_popescu: aite, so it's this item that factors privkeys. has the whole db of pgp and ssh keys.
mircea_popescu: do you have a pgp key ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-21#1701627 << problem is poverty of mind, not of system. "i don't want to look at large hex strings, they intimidatre me". same exact shit-for-brains that gave us pgp "fingerprints". ☝︎
asciilifeform: even to 'empty' addr ( would you share an 'old' pgp key?! )
mircea_popescu: got a pgp key ?
valica: ty for voicing me, mircea_popescu. I will create a pgp key as soon as I will have something to say.
mircea_popescu: valica make yourself a pgp key if you don't have one an' register it with deedbot so i don't have to keep voicing oyu
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697465 << correct. is how i ended up working on a replacement for pgp ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most importantly, do we ACTUALLY want to do something pgp-retarded like say R.len = 200 bytes, repeat the last 50 for a 250 byte total then use the repeat to make sure you decrypted correctly ?
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the way pgp does it is that it repeats two bytes of a more or less random block of 16 bytes, and then checks if they came out the same. this is in fact WORSE than http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-09#1696023 but then again contemporary applied cryptography is a very low effort, low quality field). ☝︎
edivad: now that i've registered my pgp key, should i be able to authenticate signing something?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695453 << you have to. we'd be the first people to move to a cheaper test algo if this was feasible, in tmsr-pgp etc. but as he correctly points out, most of the keys you make are weak. an important point to consider here is weakness propagation : one weak key can potentially expose other key exchanges, resulting in a chain of (unknowingly) lost secrecy. the design will have it ablate over t ☝︎
asciilifeform: however one of the things that i always had ill ease about re pgp challenge-responsetrons , is that enemy who somehow substituted one, can get you to decrypt a message of his choice. (e.g. last year's launch codes.)
mircea_popescu: well, i guess see if ian wants to reg a pgp key, i'd rate him. if nothing else, on the strength of
mircea_popescu: mgoetze do you have a pgp key ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a lawyer you absoluitely wish to bake pgp into every aspect of your practice. don't have any customer email you plaintext.
asciilifeform: also pgp never existed, apparently
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
mircea_popescu is sick of "famous people" like of crab apples. let them sit in some other latrine with their "oh i lost my pgp key 20 years ago" zimmerman and their "i dedicate my life to raising impudent street urchins as if they were white people" bernstein and their "oh hi, rng ?" koch and their "o btw, i lied about that laptop" rms everything else.
asciilifeform: and not famous derp, either, but one of the original folx pushing, e.g., working pgp
asciilifeform: and for some similarly inexplicable reason, neither derp had an extant pgp key of any serious age
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idjits have this fondness for 'automate and transparentize pgp' etc
asciilifeform: in other recent lulzies, http://archive.is/B3QXF >> 'KMail’s ‘Send Later’ caused PGP encrypted private emails to be sent in plain-text'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di ☟︎☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: unless #3 you meant ssh key to rfc4880 pgp converter (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/ssh-to-pgp.py), but again, prolly not. don't remember seeing any phuctor innards tbh (except for fingerprint algo), but could just be me ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: unless #2 you meant jurov's pgp packet parser but probably not? (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/pgp.py)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667749 << sorry asciilifeform, i missed this "tell" and only saw now! hmm, key *parser* - as in, pgp parser? i don't believe you've posted that before, or i haven't seen it. at any rate you probably meant sth else that the phuctor fingerprint generator i assume? ☝︎
asciilifeform: aka 'pgp is OBSOLETE!111 use keybase etc'
mircea_popescu: which, for the people who were here for the original pgp wars, sounds like the empire never goes to school.
asciilifeform: ( pgpdump -i gives you the modulus etc. from any pgp key; then multiply the factors : instant verification. )
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, https://pthree.org/2014/08/18/whats-the-matter-with-pgp
mircea_popescu: erlehmann you seem like a nice enough fellow, why not register your pgp key with deedbot ?
shinohai: https://www.igolder.com/PGP/generate-key/
asciilifeform: anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we even had the dude's pgp.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that this is actually ~usable for pgp-like use
asciilifeform: 'Since 2014, 34 Dutch investigations, including those involving attempted assassinations and international drug trafficking, have involved PGP phones, according to Politie. "Police and prosecutors have evidence that the main suspects knew their products and services primarily used by criminals for such offenses," the Politie announcement reads.'
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in the world of tardanology : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dutch-cops-bust-another-pgp-blackberry-company-for-alleged-money-laundering ( archive.is fails ! srsly the load-from-single-ip thing is monumentally retarded )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:15 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . ) ☟︎
mod6: do you have all of the stuff between the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' and '-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----', including those lines?
mod6: *copy all PGP text
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 << << then go here, all PGP text and see if it verifies for ya.
mod6: <+mod6> <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii. << go to this link, copy the text, save locally, or however you want to do it, and see if it verifies.
mod6: <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii.
mod6: it's gotta be browser related. if you copied the PGP signed data out of the database comments field or what not, and it was ok, then ok. may not mangled. but perhaps the browser does some weird formatting hijinx and that's fuckin us up.
mod6: This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true
asciilifeform: soooo mod6 tried to post a pgp-signed comment in my www
mircea_popescu: fromloper consider getting a proper name / registering your pgp key with deedbot while at it.
mircea_popescu: 1. let's make "government issued id" the underpinning of the pgp web of trust, because totally, what could be better or above the fiat empire du jour ; 2. key ids. because really.
mircea_popescu: aaron toponce (goes by eightyeight in that chat) has possibly the lulziest "gpg key signing" item i saw : https://pthree.org/my-pgp-key-signing-policy/
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DB096A7B64B9F4A9CE82785D9AF80E50E2AAE4BCC607BF6BFDACDD92BF65873C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 15 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'PGP Global Directory Verification Key; '
mats: asciilifeform: wot analysis and identifying weirdness that pgp will accept but ordinarily silently discard some aspect (wrappers i've looked at don't use verbose flag during import) , ie, a subkey binding like the hpa key
asciilifeform: how? and have you thought about how possibly other people do not ~want~ this 'convenience' ? i for instance have no intention of ever automating any part of my pgp process. whatsoever.
asciilifeform: the 'pgp oddities' is in the logz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900083 ☝︎
mats: http://archive.is/ny36f some guy's compilation of pgp weirdness
asciilifeform: 'From the start, he said, their communication was flawed. Snowden had initially forgotten to provide his own PGP key, which meant that Micah’s reply couldn’t be encrypted. “Everything wasn’t perfect,” Micah said, recalling such missteps. “But there was no red flag, and I’ve gotten lots of emails from random anonymous people. I did pretty well, considering that I had no idea what the hell was going on. I kept switching a
ben_vulpes: 4 mentions of pgp
Framedragger: and commits in linux are pgp-signed, not just "ok"d
BenBE operates http://pgp.benny-baumann.de/ -> direct access to ingest PGP keys live :)
BenBE: Suggstiong: you have all the keys available that make up those dumps. What about using a batch job (once per day) creating a large .pgp file people can download. That's both static and gives people all the information (create UIDs for the extra stuff if necessary)
BenBE: Are the keys mentioned in the stats somehow available as e.g. one big PGP dump file each?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639881 << i'll say that being able to paste in an unknown base64 pgp key and see a search result NOW, is not negotiable. ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: another problem: i thought of having new submissions go to a queue, instead of main db. but! that would nuke the vey valuable 'paste in an unknown pgp key and know ~immediately~' feature.
Framedragger: top hit for every pgp keyid? that's pretty neat.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: tall order, it gets crawled every 3 sec. and is ~top hit for, e.g., ~every pgp keyid on the planet.
asciilifeform: i've contemplated adding, e.g., 'download as pgp key', 'download as ssh key', etc buttons
phf: coke machine story should be set in the same universe/time as the pgp key story
Framedragger: it's one thing tor jumping ahead with newhope because omg POSTQUANTUM, but a pgp board.. lol
mircea_popescu: "As reported by Motherboard, a September 2016 filing by a Canadian court revealed that the Dutch police were able to decrypt the PGP-encrypted messages because the Dutch investigators may have found the decryption keys on the seized server itself."
mod6: some sort of PGP based command system.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh feel free to convert it to openpgp (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/ssh-to-pgp.py) and submit to phuctor.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 19:38 asciilifeform: trinque: then i'll need a cl pgp parser
asciilifeform: trinque: then i'll need a cl pgp parser ☟︎
asciilifeform: well not quite, we do store the pgp'd orders
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's better because no pgp see.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 17:04 mircea_popescu: trinque dja think deedbot should have an ad interim patch before tmsr pgp is released to take care of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617236 ?
mircea_popescu: trinque dja think deedbot should have an ad interim patch before tmsr pgp is released to take care of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-23#1617236 ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 02:16 asciilifeform: btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ?
asciilifeform: 'ain't git-cum-pgp as good as v..?' -- somebody or other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in odd news : https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xF82F4B16DEC408F8 wasn't in phuctor (i just added it manually).
asciilifeform: iirc you gotta lose pgp key first!111
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 06:10 mircea_popescu: phf they're pretty shitty. tmsr pgp should prolly use a better scheme
mircea_popescu: phf they're pretty shitty. tmsr pgp should prolly use a better scheme ☟︎