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ben_vulpes: first full day at the helm of gentoo workstation while rough, was a marked improvement over the previous wheelbarrow's spiky handles. many thanks to asciilifeform and trinque.
mircea_popescu: o hey
ben_vulpes: hey hey!
shinohai: I'm so accustomed to it now I can't imagine going back to my old ways.
trinque: pretty cool
mod6: i like mine.
mod6: overall fvwm works great, and opera works pretty well.
asciilifeform: neato ben_vulpes !
asciilifeform: and congrats.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in teh shower, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9734ba893ca17c3f021b3de7ac9803a2/tumblr_oqtz43iXYU1vhnnuho1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/3KoLj << "Dude, you forgot that this is a STEALING SUB!! WTF?!"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/the-poofening-ether-huffers-suffer-price-flash-crash-as-opposed-to-more-frequently-covered-service-crash/ << Qntra - The Poofening: Ether Huffers Suffer Price Flash Crash (As Opposed To More Frequently Covered Service Crash) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: awww!
mircea_popescu: but ALL THAT VALUE!
mircea_popescu: to satisfy http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672531 -- try and fuck with btc price, discover eth "price" was a joke all along. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 17:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but ALL THAT VALUE! << Turns out the shoes and chain were both fake
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: and to think we beliebed them!
BingoBoingo: 4srs'r
Framedragger: shinohai: where is the flash crash? https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#charts or were you talking about ETHC?
shinohai: Framedragger: See chart on http://archive.is/7RS9z
Framedragger: hehe ok thanks, i missed that one
Framedragger: lol, i see :D i take my inner skeptic back
shinohai makes every effort to exhaustively research his lulz
erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672500 << infrastructure seems more useful when people using it to show off fuck off ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
sina: evenin tmsr
asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2017/06/the-poofening-ether-huffers-suffer-price-flash-crash-as-opposed-to-more-frequently-covered-service-crash/#comment-102896
shinohai: ding, ding, ding! asciilifeform wins a prize!
asciilifeform: lol
shinohai: Stay tuned to find out why the ETH genesis block funds have moved. Absolute pin-drop silence on that one. ☟︎
erlehmann: “genesis block funds” == “premined ETH”?
ben_vulpes: mod6: neat recommendation; i'm working with an abortion called 'exwm' for now
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ?
ben_vulpes: not yet
asciilifeform recommends
ben_vulpes: having x windows live in emacs buffers is very low cognitive overhead
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is very similar to this
asciilifeform: ( and does not conflict with it )
asciilifeform: extends same treatment to nonemacsizable proggies.
ben_vulpes: what means 'nonemacsizable'?
asciilifeform: e.g. graphical www browsers
asciilifeform: or emacses on >1 lcd panel, say
ben_vulpes: ah
asciilifeform: or whatever else (cad, 'gimp', etc )
ben_vulpes: exwm puts the x window into an emacs buffer, so can eg C-x b opera
asciilifeform: does it work with >1 lcd ?
ben_vulpes: claims to, but i don't desire that at this moment
asciilifeform: then possibly you don't need a wm at all
asciilifeform: just have the 1 emacs frame.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the hope
asciilifeform: x worx perfectly ok sans wm
ben_vulpes: right
asciilifeform: you just can't resize or move the 1 window
ben_vulpes: eh, C-x 2/3 works as expected
asciilifeform: sounds like you have no possible need for an x wm on this box, then, ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: but yes, .xinitrc does consist of `exec emacs` at the moment
erlehmann: ben_vulpes asciilifeform opinion about i3?
asciilifeform: erlehmann: intel's?
erlehmann: no, window management
erlehmann: everyone using tiling window management in my vincinity seems to end up there
erlehmann: one guy even wrote his own wm, then switched to i3
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: neat recommendation; i'm working with an abortion called 'exwm' for now << ah ok. this is all emacs related eh?
ben_vulpes: erlehmann: looks like something i'd have to learn in addition to emacs
erlehmann: at work, everyone who has a non-standard setup on GNU/linux, uses i3 ☟︎
asciilifeform: erlehmann: here's an algo for determining what asciilifeform thinks of an x wm :
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: ever try 'ratpoison' ? << yeah, i still need to try this
ben_vulpes: mod6: aye
asciilifeform: 1) does it draw ANYTHING on the screen when it is running ?
asciilifeform: 2) does it know about mice, and take input from the mouse ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use.
erlehmann: i3: 1. tiling, so probably not until you order it to draw title bars. 2. focus can follow mouse and windows can float, but keyboard-only use is sensible.
asciilifeform: https://i3wm.org/screenshots << i see FUCKING WINDOW DECORATIONS
erlehmann: asciilifeform you probably hate plan9
asciilifeform: so -- rubbish
asciilifeform: erlehmann: i'm not an aficionado of plan9 -- but for quite unrelated reasons
erlehmann: well, they are optional. they are used because i3 can not only tile windows, but also tab them. and float them, if you *really* want to.
asciilifeform: ( unix oughta have been strangled in the cradle, not further nurtured )
asciilifeform: erlehmann: i dun need this 'can' for anything.
asciilifeform: my wm is <100KB of c.
asciilifeform: and draws 0. and reads 0 bytes from mouse.
erlehmann: i see
erlehmann: source?
asciilifeform: it does 1 job -- reshape windows.
asciilifeform: source.
erlehmann: this is what a friend of mine wrote: https://github.com/plomlompom/PlomWM/blob/master/plomwm.c
erlehmann: it seems way less than 100kb of c. but then there are libs.
erlehmann: it's <8k of C
erlehmann: actually
asciilifeform: mouseolade.
erlehmann: indeeed
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if answer to either 1, 2, or both, is 'yes' -- asciilifeform won't use. << wait... i thought you were big on a workstation that you could use... but this doesn't include a mouse?
asciilifeform: mod6: i have a mouse
asciilifeform: but not a mouse-tarded wm !!
mod6: do you use a graphical browser if needed?
asciilifeform: often
asciilifeform: cad, also
asciilifeform: hence -- have mouse
mod6: if so, do you just use keybindings to navigate?
erlehmann: mod6 mouse-wm means mouse can have two modi. managing windows and managing application.
asciilifeform: but no draggable windows !!
mod6: oh, ok.
mod6: werd.
erlehmann: it's not? most i3 users have no use for draggable windows. the maemo wm (i forgot its name) also has none.
erlehmann: where do you need them?
erlehmann: mod6 did you mean „word“ or „weird“?
erlehmann: asciilifeform what do you use as shell? i use rc shell, because grammar fits in head (actually, grammar is written on man page).
erlehmann: but maybe you know better
asciilifeform: erlehmann: bash
erlehmann: urgs
erlehmann: no further questions then
mod6: <+erlehmann> mod6 did you mean "word" or "weird"? << the former.
erlehmann: mod6 sorry then i assumed the latter (even though the keys are right next to each other)
mod6: heheh, no worries.
mod6: i misspell a lot of things too. so there' that.
erlehmann: who of you except mp works on minigame?
ben_vulpes: diana_coman does
erlehmann: it remindes me of my work on minetest, years ago
erlehmann: (apparently: minecraft clone. actually: generalized networked 3d cellular automata engine.)
Framedragger: erlehmann: i like my voxels, looks nice... generalized CA, as in, you can run arbitrary programs in the space (or somesuch)?
Framedragger: i see map generators, but that's something else, i assume the subgame thing is the way towards the "generalized"/"arbitrary"
Framedragger: (from initial glance at website)
Framedragger: oh lua, cool, is that how you write those subgames?
Framedragger: /me ends barrage of questions
danielpbarron unofficially works on eulora. occasionally publishes patches to the client. almost ready to publish a eulora-gentoo recipe ☟︎
Framedragger: erlehmann: question #3 -- any recommendations for what to do in berlin in july? i'll be there with a few friends from 5 july (may travel to leipzig), random recommendations welcome (we'll visit the nsa tower/hill, etc)
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you have an ebuild for it?
danielpbarron: what does that mean?
danielpbarron: a portage package? no. it's more of a recipe from scratch: how to install gentoo for optimal eulora
ben_vulpes: recipe for portage to make $package happen to a gentoo
ben_vulpes: aok
trinque: btw this could be turned into a portage "set"
danielpbarron: and the way i'm writing it up, it's also a crash course on how to gentoo in general
trinque: but then you're on teh way to an ebuild anyway.
erlehmann: Framedragger each cell in minetest is potentially a lua program
erlehmann: Framedragger i can give advice, but first specify what kind of advice
erlehmann: about berlin
erlehmann: Framedragger where will you stay? type of venue / part of city?
Framedragger: good point, i'll get back to you later. it's not a well-defined request/problem in my mind. "shit to do at night in kreuzberg / east berlin" would count, including rave parties (sounds teenage-ish when i put it like that heh)
Framedragger: erlehmann: airbnb apartment, 3-4 people, possibly neukoln or thereabouts, not sure yet
erlehmann: looking for rave culture. are you some kind of rave-apologist? maybe even a gang rave!
Framedragger: funny thing is i'm not really into raves. at the same time i have a pile of high quality mdma that i now need to dispose of, because changing country. so who knows ☟︎
Framedragger: erlehmann: i've been to c-base a coupla times, curious if there are any hackerspaces which are less about showing off and more about actual DIY projects etc (not sure if can meaningfully interact in the span of only a week tho, i guess) ☟︎
Framedragger: so like, hackerspace stuff, nice party stuff, etc.
Framedragger is also curious if isis from tor is still in berlin, too
erlehmann: i have a single, very important berlin tourism tip. avoid airbnb (and similar things) to the strongest extent possible. there are only a few faster ways to make enemies, like putting on a police uniform and visiting rigaer straße alone in the middle of the night.
Framedragger: erlehmann: girl says "wtf, plz to elaborate" :D is that due to high degree of scams, or just the high possibility of misunderstandings? (only time i used airbnb was in morocco, but that was planned well in advance, and kinda-vetted place)
erlehmann: re scammy: read reviews and think if an airbnb host with that name really exists. it may or may not do you any harm if “sarah” never shows up and is in fact a front for some rent-seeking dude.
Framedragger: fair point, thanks
Framedragger: (there may indeed be no harm, tho)
erlehmann: furthermore, two observations, one on a systemic, one on an individual level: a) airbnb drives up rents, because it is much more profitable to (illegally) rent on airbnb than to (legally) rent to someone long-term. transients always spend more money then residents.
erlehmann: b) many airbnb guests behave in such an obnoxious way that entirely unpolitical people living in the same house hate them with a passion. ☟︎
Framedragger: re. a), yes ACK re gentrification, sure.
Framedragger: (or well, maybe i'm misusing the term) ☟︎
erlehmann: by passion, i mean: some door locks are faulty and seem to spontaneously fail in the middle of the night, when you come back to the ap. ☟︎
Framedragger: basically, if we were to stay for a longer chunk of time, different arrangements would be made. very-short-term... hm, hotels are boring
erlehmann: also, did you know that frozen piss can be shoved under a door and seep into the carpet?
Framedragger: any personal experiences there? i've heard of "frozen piss" bomb concept, yeah ☟︎
erlehmann: i could not possibly comment on that
Framedragger: :)
erlehmann: let's say i heard stories. or saw stuff. who knows!
jurov: O.o my first two airbnb experiences were fine, but that was in greece, they don't mind noise ☟︎
erlehmann: basically, if you want to go cheap: go to a hostel, rent a room for 4 or 6.
Framedragger notes "join erlehmann's local anarcho cell when ready" to list
erlehmann: joke's on you, i don't do such stuff
erlehmann: but i also don't have airnbn next door
erlehmann: so i guess motivation is low
erlehmann: it is just that berliners have a very good understanding of how to make people fuck off
erlehmann: example: burning cars. if your car is insured and it burns, that is not vandalism. ☟︎
erlehmann: it is most likely a tactical action to make you go away.
erlehmann: took me some time to understand that.
ben_vulpes: who gives a flying fuck about "pushing up rents" because some people rent in ways not appealing to the local statal orgs
erlehmann: ben_vulpes local paupers
erlehmann: more generally, communities. tourists use infrastructure, but do not always pay taxes.
erlehmann: and are on the average much bigger assholes than people living there.
ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live ☟︎
Framedragger: gotta agree with you, #t will disdainfully sneer at "omg, kom000nity!!", but it does suck that local communities get negatively impacted in this regard ☟︎
trinque: because otherwise they'd what?
trinque: bitch about something else?
Framedragger: you mean, what's their recourse / what leverage they have? yes, not much leverage at all, sucks to be them
trinque: no. I mean if they were free of the terribru rent oppression what human flourishing would sprout in their place?
erlehmann: i think it is not about rent per se. it is about long-term renting.
ben_vulpes: same people who are flabbergasted when rents go up 5%, having never considered allocating for that scenario.
ben_vulpes: "but i'm poor and nobody taught me that rents usually go up and now my living expenses and rent max out my income!"
Framedragger: plenty of folks quite content living their frugal lives (in e.g. leipzig, from what i hear, to be particular), i guess #t doesn't think much of them, i happen to have friends, what do. if bitch at 5% rent increase, sure, not much sympathy from me
ben_vulpes: b-be less poor? ☟︎
erlehmann: as i said: as a tourist, i probably would not choose airbnb in berlin. reason is that the strategy is working. less stressful to book hotel room or hostel.
Framedragger takes point
erlehmann: if, on the other hand, you are looking to experience tourist hate, take an airbnb in mitte, in the vincinity of st. oberholz. take a wheelie case and new apple devices with you.
Framedragger: and emerge in late morning with frappucino and american accent "any free wifi around here, maan"
erlehmann: a suitcase on wheels marks a person like a shitstain on their pants
erlehmann: ah no, that will work
erlehmann: because you'll ask it in a cafe
erlehmann: and they'll smile and take all your money
erlehmann: on the other side of the street the drink will cost half as much, but what do you know, tourist! ☟︎
Framedragger: yeah i guess that's basically 50% of berlin (*dodge*)
erlehmann: prepare to get fleeced
erlehmann: i'd also avoid berlin hacker gatherings
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673487 << i find it lulzy that folx will happily say this to someone to whom they would ~not~ necessarily say 'kill yerself nao, slice lengthwise' . but at the same time the phrases have EQUIVALENT meaning, because at some point you are already as rich as you possibly know how to become. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 19:44 ben_vulpes: b-be less poor?
asciilifeform: and then it means 'slice lengthwise, untermensch!!'
asciilifeform: which is a-ok thing to say. but why not cut straight, 'to the chase.'
erlehmann: des pudels kern!
ben_vulpes: eh i don't see how "stop bitching about problems you can trivially solve without involving the state eg rent control, try moving to a neighborhood as shitty as this one was two decades ago when you crept in" is quite "slice lengthwise"
asciilifeform: 'move to cheaper' is not same as 'be less poor'
erlehmann: the trivial solution is piss disc
lobbes: ben_vulpes: if the "community" can't soak people who want to come there and spend money adequately to make tourism +ev for the hosts incl. cities, how can they even justify continuing to live << I grew up on The Cod in Massachusetts; "working class" locals were always bitching about how much they hated tourists, but that tourism $$$ is the ~only~ thing sustaining that particular sandbar. Fishing is dead, and retail and landscaping indus ☟︎
erlehmann: point is, it is not only working class.
trinque: erlehmann: please bridge the gap for me between "country that is welcoming a flood of foreign invaders" and "omg haet tourists, I'll torch your car" ☟︎
trinque: or is it the invaders that are actually torching cars in these towns
erlehmann: trinque refugees intend to become residents, not transients.
erlehmann: they have skin in the game, so to say
erlehmann: tourists are worse in every way ☟︎
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: tourists at least burn a handful of cars and leave. unlike 'residents' who a) burn cars on continuing basis b) collect welfarecheque on same
trinque: "I chose this" is I suppose one way to cope with the dick buried in your ass.
asciilifeform: evidently
erlehmann: if you understand german, i can recommend this about gentrification (from 2010) https://www.kuechenstud.io/kuechenradio/episode/kr268-gentrifizierung/
trinque: you think the same stupid arguments aren't raised every time someone improves a neighborhood anywhere else?
erlehmann: fefe also made a podcast in 2017 with the same guy (andrej holm) https://alternativlos.org/40/
erlehmann: trinque it is about the specific history of berlin.
erlehmann: berlin is special, partially because both east and west used it to show off. ☟︎
erlehmann: compare, e.g. amount of vegetation inside city with other german cities. berlin has much more.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: there is an american-'patented' style of rent-seeking scam that is now being 'enjoyed' in europe, incl., as i understand, in your berlin. which goes like this : 1) import a horde of raping, pillaging orcs from some fuckhole 2) prohibit 'discrimination' against'em. now the only permitted means of excluding them from being your neighbours is... price. 3) landlords rake in the dough, because now you gotta pay not only for ove
asciilifeform: rpriced flat but to put some distance b/w you and Them.
asciilifeform: 4) 'Profit!11111'
asciilifeform: the second stage of this cancer is when market begins to segment SOLELY based on orc proximity -- i.e. your house costs moar, or less, ~strictly based on how much orc you are willing to tolerate in everyday life, and not, say, based on size, or whether it is made from brick or shitboard ☟︎
asciilifeform: eventually ~everyone gets ~same shit-flat made of shitboard, but with ~slightly~ varying proximity to orc pit.
asciilifeform: you can observe this 2nd stage in, e.g., city of baltimore, usa.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what is the 3rd stage. but i suspect that it looks like detroit -- which in turn, looked like berlin in '45
asciilifeform: and then 4th stage is the 'gentrifying' sections of detroit, that are being rebuilt into masses of cardboard condos that sell for $1M.
erlehmann: i think it is fairly plausible that the description of “orcs” can be read as some kind of blatant racism – “black-skinned”, “brutish”, “slant-eyed” … ☟︎
asciilifeform: aahahahahahaha
erlehmann: rohirrim are even described as white-skins, no?
trinque: who the hell is this guy, even
asciilifeform: !!gettrust erlehmann
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
asciilifeform has nfi
ben_vulpes: 'new blood' from trinque and mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: apparently.
trinque: aw crap!
trinque: and now I'm racis
asciilifeform: trinque: every new d00d walks in with a certain set of cockroaches in head.
asciilifeform: sometimes -- they work themselves out. sometimes -- not.
trinque: !!v 3F2E43B45913419A7A02ED0981F4EE80C1DEF877685C5DED3BDB32D28771BFE9B
ben_vulpes: erlehmann: 'faces of meth' also entirely orcish.
Framedragger: rehashing *conclusions* of tmsr dogma does not do much good. (i guess counter to that is "we don't have time for proper free education", which is fair). ☟︎
trinque: d'oh
trinque: !!v 3F2E43B45913419A7A02ED0981F4EE80C1DEF877685C5DED3BDB32D28771BFE9
deedbot: trinque unrated erlehmann.
trinque: maybe they still will get worked out
trinque: I think when I arrived I thought the place was a bunch of red-pillers
Framedragger: !!v 239BABC6689F5067B0BF7307DF8EF040B9BF1D59B457BE150A0E2A7EB3572CB8
deedbot: Framedragger rated erlehmann 1 << new blood
Framedragger: just to balance things
asciilifeform: lol
trinque: y'all can go hang out with Isis Hackersauce in Berlin ☟︎
erlehmann: well, i think when i arrive people often tend to think i want to convince them of something. i often do not want and do not care as much as other think i do.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: would you describe germany+turks as more habitable, enjoyable, interesting place than the germany sans turks you grew up in ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ... and how about the african 'syrians' ?
Framedragger: erlehmann: "blatant racism" is an empty label here, and won't carry the same "prescriptive power" as elsewhere. that said, maybe you meant "heuristic generalisations are dangerous" (my (overcharitable) interpretation)
erlehmann: asciilifeform i spent years of my youth in a remote boarding school inside an old monastery building. not many turks or africans there.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: but plenty in berlin today
asciilifeform: so consider plox answering the q as stated ☟︎
erlehmann: asciilifeform i enjoy turkish and kurdish food, but otherwise, no idea.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: i enjoy a number of things, from turkish military marches to turkish sweets. but it is different q from 'do i want the bottom economic 10% of turkey moving in next door' ☟︎
asciilifeform: you probably would not want bottom 10% of arkansas moving in , either.
asciilifeform: ( are they 'a race' ..? lol )
trinque: fact of the matter is that he is not permitted to say.
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> plenty of folks quite content living their frugal lives (in e.g. leipzig, from what i hear, to be particular), i guess #t doesn't think much of them, i happen to have friends, what do. if bitch at 5% rent increase, sure, not much sympathy from me << Better to be frugal and not poor
erlehmann: fact of the matter is i have not enough reference points
erlehmann: e.g. i rarely encounter black people when going to the supermarket
erlehmann: Framedragger i actually meant “i had not noticed to that extent until now how tolkien tells a story that can be seen as a race war”
BingoBoingo: <trinque> or is it the invaders that are actually torching cars in these towns << Yes, so "not crime"(TM)(R) because "honored guests
trinque: I'm still eagerly awaiting a description of these roving gangs of car burners. ☟︎
Framedragger: erlehmann: i mean, old wise men decide faith of orcs, yeah :D
Framedragger: you may be interested in "the last rinbearer" by a russian geologist (iirc), tells ring tale from perspective of mordor on a brink of industrial revolution
Framedragger: and how the elves with gandalf conspired to rewrite story ("written by the victors" and all that), and ring was actually a side plot to distract people
Framedragger: fate*
erlehmann: directed by m. night. shyamalan.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and then 4th stage is the 'gentrifying' sections of detroit, that are being rebuilt into masses of cardboard condos that sell for $1M. << St Louis appears to want to go from 3 to 4, but uncertain if three can really be moved past
Framedragger: 'tis not bad, but read only small part. decent ru->en translation by a guy on livejournal (not joking, promise)
erlehmann: Framedragger URL?
Framedragger: i *think* http://ymarkov.livejournal.com/280578.html , digging thru bookmarks
Framedragger: oh there's a .de translation apparently, but can't attest to quality
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> you probably would not want bottom 10% of arkansas moving in , either. << FUcking peckerwood trash
erlehmann: asciilifeform you mean conflict is classist, not racist.
erlehmann: right?
shinohai: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbjyk4/heres-how-traders-lost-millions-in-the-first-ethereum-flash-crash <<< Lollerz "Some of the affected individuals have already started to organize via a Telegram group with the intention of filing a class action lawsuit against the exchange, but at present GDAX's position is that all margin trades are final, and terms were outlined in advance." ☟︎
erlehmann: vice forgot to include that ethereum transactions are indeed reverseable, but only when core developers lose money.
Framedragger: erlehmann: original url http://fan.lib.ru/e/eskov/last_ringlord.shtml ; translation url above ; older LJ link gives more context: http://ymarkov.livejournal.com/270570.html
erlehmann: Framedragger let me retaliate: http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
Framedragger: actually, i had started reading that one, too!!
Framedragger: thanks for bringing it up
trinque: erlehmann | asciilifeform you mean conflict is classist, not racist. << the fuck kind of grandmother-pleasing behavior is this?
Framedragger: erlehmann: it's the one where (logreaders, spoilers) alien intelligence which is actually intelligent is not conscious, right?
erlehmann: trinque “grandmother-pleasing behavior”?
trinque: "I don't want to have a conversation re: invasion, so lets instead belabor whether we're all behaving ourselves."
ben_vulpes: trinque: oh hey while on the topic, best way to wind up modern genderbenders, blacklivesmatter et al feebs is to "i mean sure, but isn't that all just embedded in the class struggle?"
erlehmann: Framedragger it is the one where vampires can't do VR because they have autism and see the pixels.
Framedragger: sexy
trinque: ben_vulpes: correctness is a bourgeois construct.
erlehmann: ben_vulpes i think identifying as trans-black or something might top it, depending on circumstances
trinque: anyhow lets all just tweet now, eh?
trinque: erlehmann: where do I upvote your quips?
erlehmann: trinque i don't actually want to have a conversation about invasion, because i don't particularly care. i came here because of the v versionatron and because i liked the attitude behind that.
trinque: you couldn't have come to a worse place to tell us what it "means to you"
BingoBoingo: Eh, German's well on it's way to becoming Far-East-East Saint Louis
trinque: the republic's forum is not "I will posture on whichever topics don't make me uncomfortable"
erlehmann: oh, i enjoy conflict.
erlehmann: i mean, err, discussion.
trinque: then I ask you what the output of all your "the community" and "class not race" noise has been, in your own judgment?
trinque: in a place that clearly worships this "following the rules of decent discussion"
trinque: "I don't care" is the correct answer.
trinque: put usually around here as "I just want to"
erlehmann: i'll read the log again to maybe get a clear picture
trinque: works for me
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2706.49, vol: 12173.25703108 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2670.0, vol: 4613.48832 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2672.8, vol: 16199.38576081 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2881.518948, vol: 8264.71540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2699.1, vol: 5253.7241449 | Volume-weighted last average: 2721.40543553
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673590 << where did the butthurt go when kraken, shitfinex, et al did same thing? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-22 20:23 shinohai: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mbjyk4/heres-how-traders-lost-millions-in-the-first-ethereum-flash-crash <<< Lollerz "Some of the affected individuals have already started to organize via a Telegram group with the intention of filing a class action lawsuit against the exchange, but at present GDAX's position is that all margin trades are final, and terms were outlined in advance."
asciilifeform: it's sop, as i understand, method for 'exchange' to defraud the idiots who use exchanges.
asciilifeform: 1) 'set price to penny' 2) margin calls 3) profit 4) sfyl, tards
whaack: from what I remember reading about shitfinex, the people with pending bitcoin buy orders at X did not get theirs completed, while at the same time people were forced to sell ("margin called") because price was officially "X-E"
whaack: (not sure whether or not the unfilled buy orders on the way down occurred in this case)
Framedragger unrelatedly recalls placing orders on mtgox and getting multi-minute+ lags ☟︎
Framedragger: (or maybe even much more, don't remember)
asciilifeform: !#s goxlag
a111: 723 results for "goxlag", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=goxlag
asciilifeform: Framedragger ^
asciilifeform: in other noose, happy international-komyooniti-attacking-su-and-getting-own-arse-handed-to-it-on-a-plate-4y-later day, folx !!
asciilifeform: http://www.may9.ru/uploads/default/images/RIAN_00760832.HR.ru.jpg << see also.
TomServo: asciilifeform: what does it say? ☟︎
TomServo: Also, if someone could share a copy of mp-wp, that'd be swell.