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cazalla: good morning
cazalla: BingoBoingo, any idea if estwing is still a good american tool brand or are they rubbish and just trade off the name now?
mircea_popescu: p jeu
mircea_popescu: o hey. how goes cazalla
cazalla: mircea_popescu, good, just back from morning gym sesh
mircea_popescu: nice.
cazalla: how are things in your part of the world? left argentina?
mircea_popescu: a yeah.
mircea_popescu: pleasantly warm.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/what-gets-me-hot/ << Trilema - What gets me hot
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3376.02, vol: 12425.62211284 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3389.6, vol: 24484.35055597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3353.183513, vol: 13917.10960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3370.01, vol: 6073.82428952 | Volume-weighted last average: 3375.63645434
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1740...7543 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAE06E75A11A9769F9F7F977A0F2E1B65D1D7C3965C72A4DDF8F8C3AAE31AF7A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...7667 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '161.246.13.86 (ssh-rsa key from 161.246.13.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (apl1.sci.kmitl.ac.th. TH)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement. << Lafond says this as well plus moving product into town
BingoBoingo: !~later tell cazalla From what I hear still good. As always check the label/model number in case they start experimenting with Chinesium.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/bad-biology/ << Trilema - Bad biology
ben_vulpes: tee so the thought police cracked down on the dood behind the (entirely wackily formatted) http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320 : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo
trinque: vp of diversity haw
ben_vulpes: more like vp of diversity like 'naw'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-07#1694875 << guy's a perfect specimen of the brain tattooed, thinks somebody in there is going to hear his "omg am not included"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-07 04:30 mircea_popescu: but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents
trinque: tape your cock to your asshole buddy; they'll make a company manual out of you then.
ben_vulpes: you figure he expected to survive the publication?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
trinque: on the contrary, politely offed himself while leaving a "manifesto" written in pantsuit, trying to turn the discrimination term on them and other gargle.
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ben_vulpes: well hey, put a few knickers in some degree of knot, so he's got my vote in the midterms
BingoBoingo: In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R
ben_vulpes: hey professor calculus had a sweet rocket
ben_vulpes: oh and in other tangential discoveries, both google and ms refuse to translate pizdet
ben_vulpes: leading to such hilarious horrors as "fuck it in the pizza"
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: now im gonna have to read gizmodo ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker the "business report" style of 2017 is unreadable. wtf is with all the bullets and summaries interspersed and omfg.
mircea_popescu: !!up dragonblue
deedbot: dragonblue voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pizdet means very good in romanian / moldavian and utterly fucked in some ru dialects.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695378 << dude imagines he's doing the batshit insane camp any favours by publishing more batshit insane ? srsly, "moon prison" ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 06:25 BingoBoingo: In the cancerous faggotry file https://archive.is/on51R
mircea_popescu: and in other jay z, http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-122558
mod6: mornin
shinohai: Morning there mod6
mod6: how goes?
shinohai: Not bad, rainy day just catching up on reading. You?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the world of btc-themed spam and infectors, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rcjjT/?raw=true
mod6: shinohai: ah, not much
asciilifeform: inside -- java turd
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i noticed recently that http://cvberry.com/tech_writings/notes/common_lisp_standard_draft.html exists. some years ago i tried to do same thing, but the sheer bulk of the pdf choked every printing co., incl. 'lulu'. ever tried ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: no i haven't tried printing it, i saw this version, but i believe it's derivative. there's prior work with much nicer "diffs against dpANS" approach.
phf: also guy's a clown, "LISP" tag, "omg hyperspec is too complicated", "emacs+evil" mode
phf: can't find it in logs, but i'll link you other version when i get to non work computer
asciilifeform: 'My favorite on Windows 10 is a tool called "Shutup10" which lets you configure Windows 10 data-leaking behaviours in one spot.' yeah clown
asciilifeform: '(setq shell-file-name "C:/MinGW/msys/1.0/bin/bash")' << every time i see these, i think 'why, poor bastard, why'
asciilifeform: phf: where did a111 go ?
phf: oh huh
asciilifeform: 'How to get pretty latex-style documents in Microsoft Word' << didjaknow!
phf: is that from the same guy?
asciilifeform: all same one yea
phf: a111 is fine, claims to have timed out, was waiting on freenode handshakes
asciilifeform: hey nsa, d00d's mitm box has rusty nic, plox to replace !
phf: "03/15/2016: Added article on effective Windows usage which contains my opinions and tips on using your computer. Added article Criteria for Software Freedom."
BingoBoingo: And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3370.84, vol: 16050.69492276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3379.6, vol: 30370.82043995 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3388.333492, vol: 17050.23150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3380.0, vol: 7098.07398382 | Volume-weighted last average: 3379.75790323
BingoBoingo: OMG Crashed!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/silberts-november-hardfork-plan-faces-newly-wary-derps-thanks-roger-ver/ << Qntra - Silbert's November Hardfork Plan Faces Newly Wary Derps, Thanks Roger Ver
asciilifeform: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: hi everybody
PeterL: so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true
asciilifeform: PeterL: how does this one differ from that last d00d's, with the heathen rsa ?
PeterL: I took a stab at writing my own rsa
asciilifeform: in a lang with gc?!
PeterL: and so it uses your proposed "virtual otp" straight rsa encryption
PeterL: well, this is just a prototype
asciilifeform: also running mpfhf on incoming packets is lulzy
asciilifeform: ( esp one written in gclang )
asciilifeform: how many hours does this thing eat per packet ?
PeterL: it does not run mpfhf on packets, that was just a way to hash to get a name for keys
asciilifeform: i'm doomed to actually read this, arenti
PeterL: not really vital to anything involved, that could just as well use any other hashing function
asciilifeform puts on conveyor
PeterL: criticism is welcome!
PeterL: it is not a very long program
asciilifeform: PeterL: i have to rain on the parade, but i dun see what you win from writing own rsa in this one. py arithmetic is not constanttime
asciilifeform: nor even constantspace.
PeterL: it also serves as a practice for me for understanding rsa algorithm
PeterL: like I said, prototype, if it works then can be ported to using ada (at least that is my idea)
asciilifeform: also what is that primality test supposed to be
asciilifeform: it dun look like miller-rabin
PeterL: fermat primality test
asciilifeform: PeterL: are you aware of the limitations of this test ?
PeterL: I know it has limitations, yes
asciilifeform: i'ma save log space, and invite PeterL to read what i observed re the last d00d's gossipd prototype.
asciilifeform: because unfortunately all of it applies to this one
asciilifeform: at the same time i dun wanna discourage PeterL or other folks, from their exercises.
asciilifeform: PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680382 << thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 00:17 asciilifeform: sina: the reason why i am not particularly hot&bothered, is that your prototype does not contain any of the parts that comprise 99+% of the necessary work of an adult gossipd
asciilifeform: i understand what is meant by 'prototype', but an rsatron (ignoring for a moment the constant-time thing) that uses fermat's primality test as the sole probe, is analogous to a grenade with a half second fuse
asciilifeform: it will kill the user.
asciilifeform: for the thick : a large portion of keys generated by the linked code, will phuctor immediately.
PeterL: ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it?
asciilifeform: still same thing as of the last one
asciilifeform: ( see thread. )
asciilifeform: i.e. PeterL put in a great deal of sweat, it shows; but the result does not make my work any easier, unfortunately
asciilifeform: ( dun mean it is useless - but it is in the class of homework imho )
PeterL not master programmer, finds homework useful
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...5583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D94C26897847ED2BDBBAB06A53C056CA3ED508B756D8255B493FA8398169A3B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1710...6633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.152.231 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.152.231 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LPuteaux-658-1-29-231.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR)
asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:15 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG PANZERS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676331 nao 1.99s.
asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc )
asciilifeform: *karatsuba
asciilifeform: grr
mod6: ah, cool alf
mod6: very nice work
asciilifeform: mod6: i almost decided to throw it all out and use generic multiply-by-self for squaring again
asciilifeform: given as the special square thing costs 143 lines
asciilifeform: for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it:
asciilifeform: however, the difference becomes more serious when operating with smaller words
asciilifeform: (i.e. on archs with smaller bitness)
asciilifeform: in particular msdos.
mod6: ah.
mod6: smaller word size creates more iterations eh?
asciilifeform: aha.
mod6: gotcha
asciilifeform: the O(N^2) algos cost moar then.
asciilifeform: currently i suspect that this thing is at the theoretical limit of performance you can get without doing something nonportable.
asciilifeform bbl
BingoBoingo: !!up PeterL
deedbot: PeterL voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Today's Trilema re-read http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/08/08/blackzillas-first-track-day/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Blackzilla’s first track day.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 479724 | Current Difficulty: 8.60221984436E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 479807 | Next Difficulty In: 83 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 12 hours, 9 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency gbp
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 2648.7846, vol: 15703.77823166 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 2648.320052, vol: 18271.56640000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 2680.0, vol: 141.22947295 | Volume-weighted last average: 2648.66502512
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2925.358992, vol: 15697.62274649 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2903.721268, vol: 18272.26640000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2938.933, vol: 12455.6515153 | Volume-weighted last average: 2920.48458148
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 22983.49, vol: 18274.21640000 | Volume-weighted last average: 22983.49
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency usd
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BingoBoingo proposes s/doldrums/dollardrums
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 17:26 BingoBoingo: And the Powah Rangahs have turned hard against Silberts 2 MB fork https://archive.is/4hevE
mircea_popescu: PeterL http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695421 << is this supposed to interface with sina's item ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 18:55 PeterL: so I felt like taking a stab at gossipd, take a look? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ul3Op/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695453 << you have to. we'd be the first people to move to a cheaper test algo if this was feasible, in tmsr-pgp etc. but as he correctly points out, most of the keys you make are weak. an important point to consider here is weakness propagation : one weak key can potentially expose other key exchanges, resulting in a chain of (unknowingly) lost secrecy. the design will have it ablate over t☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 19:19 PeterL: ok, so if I switch the primality algorithm, what do you think of the rest of it?
mircea_popescu: ime, but the only guarantee the design provides is that it will die out EVENTUALLY. for all you know it can survive years through sheer chance. so weak keys are a very serious potential problem for gossipd.
mircea_popescu: PeterL +MAXMESSAGE = << how did you derive the magic number ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL +# IMPORTANT NOTE: if the cs is too small, messages have a chance to get decrypted by the wrong key << what is the logic behind this ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695470 << it is actually worth it, the code is not that lengthy.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:42 asciilifeform: for only 25% shave off the run time, it would not be worth it:
mircea_popescu: and in typical medium success stories, https://medium.com/@andreaarmstead16/how-i-become-a-bona-fide-member-of-the-great-illuminati-1ee9eed25ea3
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695463 << i realized that this might not be true : the (empirically found, but seems to hold on all of my iron) threshhold for karatsuba +ev is > 8 words :☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc )
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: it thereby follows that i could unroll comba into explicit cases from 1 to 8 words
mircea_popescu: or at leasty 1 to 7, last one isn't so bad
asciilifeform: however this would lengthen the program, and introduce 7 new algos to prove correctness of
asciilifeform: rather than 1.
mircea_popescu: actually something like "is x unrolling of y" should be machine-provable.
asciilifeform: sadly nope
asciilifeform: veeeeery little is actually machine-provable.
asciilifeform: that anything at all is, is a marvel.
asciilifeform: hence why i went for man-provables.
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: do you mean actual loop unrolling, or do yo umean, by-hand optimized/rewritten equivalernt code ?
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/PjGRp/?raw=true << current multers and squarers, for illustration
asciilifeform: ( items published previously, omitted for clarity )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even the simpler, the former
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695496 << For real, makes XTCoin seem like it had support☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 23:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695413 << the quality of this summer of forks fails to impress.
mircea_popescu: i thought that's done automatically already, in formal verification
mircea_popescu: if not even this works, what is "proving" supposed to mean when they talk of it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very bare naked things, like bounds
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "carpentry is not very efificent, they need hammers", but the case here seems to be more of a "carpentry does not exist, they require gas planks, which can't exist"
asciilifeform: now wouldja believe i spent 3 wks trying to eliminate the if N mod 2 = 0 ... condition in Square_Comba
asciilifeform: N isn't a secret nor does it vary with payload, it is the digit iterator,
mircea_popescu: i recall.
asciilifeform: but the branch blows the lookahead and slows
asciilifeform: however it does not seem possible to do without it. but i have not proven this impossibility.
asciilifeform: if anybody thinks he can -- plox to write in.
asciilifeform: ( thing still runs in constant time: N always walks the range of 1 to last digit of the width of our ffa )