mircea_popescu: honestly, from the past few years of involvement with "software engineers", i can squarely say i have no fucking idea what goes on in their heads, but if it came to light they're just randomly squirming like froglegs on electric plating i wouldn't be much surprised.
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be more rhyme or reason behind their decisions / behaviours / choices / "engineering" generally speaking than behind movement of clouds.
mircea_popescu: for all i know dood hasn't even found that clicking plate with square nubbins on it for the past eight months.
shinohai: Getting older means an increase in burbujas after midnite.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh << tbh, I haven't even reached out myself yet.
mod6: I was going to finish all the tests, compile some info, then if he still hadn't written to us or shown up here, I'd write him.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
mod6: yah, I think it's a good conversation
mod6: I paste into comments section on loper, doesn't verify.
mod6: I wrapped with <pre></pre> tags.. i feel like somewhere a \n got snarffed or something
mod6: it's gotta be browser related. if you copied the PGP signed data out of the database comments field or what not, and it was ok, then ok. may not mangled. but perhaps the browser does some weird formatting hijinx and that's fuckin us up.
mod6: i dunno, maybe not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice trilema doesn't suffer from same problem ; read mp-wp ; live happily ever after.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> NULL, motherfucker, diff. << does vdiff give different output hashes?
mod6: seems to be the same for me?
mod6: i might have to refresh/clear cache
mod6: naw, same thing. weird.
mod6: will diff the orig and the latest pasted now, sec.
mod6: anyway, don't worry about it. just nuke the post I made, and I'll dump the unsigned text inthere.
mod6: so it's not much of a suprise i guess that a copy of the text, rendered, doesn't work.
mod6: maybe if wraped <code></code> tags wouldn't have wrapped up the links and snarffed the \n's.
mod6: but i don't know html very well.
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mircea_popescu: ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. whole fucking thing is a substitution engine for strings, how's the clearsign gonna be preserved.
phf`: was out of print since 2005, and i was trying to find a copy for a while, but ruckert just republished it using amazon's self publishing system. i haven't gotten a copy yet, but i suspect that it might not be a particularly good print, but we'll see
shinohai: Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. << :] i didn't sign html.
mod6: either loper, or browser is magling the text.
mod6: feels like the same thing that we went through with the pastebin stuff once upon a time.
mod6: shinohai: you around? got time to do me a favor?
mod6: <+mod6> <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data:
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii. << go to this link, copy the text, save locally, or however you want to do it, and see if it verifies.
shinohai: Morning mod6, be glad to help if possible. o7
mod6: :] very much appreciated
shinohai: mod6: The paste verifies fine, the loperos one gives me: gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error
mod6: do you have all of the stuff between the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' and '-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----', including those lines?
mod6: yah, same as both alf and I too.
mod6: thanks for checking.
shinohai: No problem, appears alf's blogotron is mangling it.
mod6: ill leave off with this, here is the un-buffer-copied, original before pasting into ben's wotpaste and loper
mod6: my belief is that loper is discarding one of '0a's in that line 0000180 or whatever from lastnight
phf`: welcome back to another round of "we trying to put TEXT into a TEXTBOX" with your host phf
mod6: thanks asciilifeform for taking down the comment.
mod6: if i did something wrong here, i don't know, to this very minute what it is.
mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
☟︎ mod6: ben_vulpes: do you care to remind the readers of the adventure you had to take to handle this with your wotpaste tool?
mod6: I remember these to be exceptionally painful.
mod6: I think independant replication is in order myself; i.e. someone create a clearsigned message with multiple line feeds in there (\n), and see if the result is the same.
phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
☟︎ phf`: otherwise a POST from a curl/programmatically is the safest way to upload. that's what browsers also supposed to do, but some of them will corrupt your CR/CRLF/LF combinations, which is not anything that you can defend from on the server side
phf`: wp on top of that runs comments through a renderer, that adds paragraph breaks and smileys and such
mircea_popescu: phf` why do you think sex doll ? common female also can get clit shield / urethra buzzer installed.
mircea_popescu: in case not found yet : "mod6.sig\n\n\nT" vs ".mod6.sig</a>\n\nT"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 13:24 asciilifeform: mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 14:32 mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: should be in wp-comments.php or w/e it's called i think. that'd be the displayer of comments section.
mircea_popescu: and you know, not putting it in wholesale LAST time you ran into this problem with i dun recall what, it's how you woke up screaming in the middle of the night a half year later because OMFG WUT
mircea_popescu: wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftwasre.
mircea_popescu: ah wait, yeah, i recall you trying and couldn't get some corner in the door, what was it, do yo urecall ?
mircea_popescu: i do know it takes a while to train, and that it ~never fucks up my queue, i need to click maybe 3 items a week.
mircea_popescu: wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftware !!11
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:01 asciilifeform: undebuggable null pages on all loads.
Framedragger: no, mine does not redirect, incl. with curl (gives 200)
phf`: mircea_popescu: www.www.
Framedragger: seems that www.www is the 301 *target* returned to his client, hah
Framedragger: i mean, at this point i'd almost recommend to run a traceroute....
phf`: Framedragger: oh cute, i thought that was a typo, or err copypasto
mircea_popescu: the problem is that mine dun work, not that yours does.
Framedragger: i wonder if mircea_popescu'd get the same if he ran a manual GET under `nc loper-os.org 80` hah
mircea_popescu: for some reason (ie, abug) it doesn't get applied to you/most others
mircea_popescu: unless someone put a shitperl in there and forgot all about it.
Framedragger: not sure about www.www, i also thought, maybe you have an alias loper-os.org => www.loper-os.org mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: also, it sohuld be noted, i dun have same problem with... mp-wp
Framedragger: asciilifeform: apparently it works with 208.94.116.204, too
mod6: hi, sorry got pulled away for a few there.
mod6: thanks for re-posting for me asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:16 mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"
http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
Framedragger: i mean, one can have a local entry in hosts file, even with old ip it seems, the client just needs to supply a correct 'Host' header field
mircea_popescu: eh, neither slashdot nor reddit sent any kind of traffic these days.
mircea_popescu: not for years. about as relevant as being mentioned in the subway.
mircea_popescu: having a trilema is good, even though it costs a little.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, you're doing pretty well holding your own in here.
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BingoBoingo: "He put three rounds into the bull, behind its shoulder, a traditional target spot to bring down big game, but the bull did not fall. The rifle carried by Highland police is an AR-15 that shoots .223-caliber, non-penetrating rounds." << Not a enough bullet for Buffalo Lives Matter
BingoBoingo: "But the bullet was not able to pierce the buffalo’s thick skull, which they use in nature like battering rams when they fight each other. However, the shot did knock the bull down to where Athmer could reposition again to gain a better angle and deliver more rounds. It took about a dozen shots total before the bull finally succumbed to its wounds in a brushy area about 100 yards off Tyson Road, about a quarter-mile outside the city li
BingoBoingo: mits." << This a a serious failure of community policing. Why were better equipped citizens not deputized to combat the brown menace?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 14:36 phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
mircea_popescu: da fuck is .223 non penetrating supposed to do. get the police robbed by hoodlums in vinyl suits ?
mircea_popescu wouldn't even carry that dumb shit. buy a model of a real gun from a toy store, get more mileage out of that.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, so my comment that ~you~ reposted indeed verified after I copied it off the page.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one << sure, can/will do this a bit later for sure.
mod6: np. sorry about the delay.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea was, rather than actually drill the idiots we recruit into soldiers, cheaper easier and lazier to just give them a gun. and since they're idiots anyway, we "optimize" gun into peashooter. our democracy progressing continously towards further heights of socialism.
mircea_popescu: then they run into actually trained actual men, and "o noes, snipers!!!" => collapsing tikrit "offensive" and "we're still two weeking mosul year and a half later" because three dudes didn't feel like speaking english that time.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s << Completely different thing. When "non-penetrating" is specified bullet generally has plastic jacket over core of lead pellets
BingoBoingo: Idea is that 3/4" "firestop drywall" stops bullet in apartment buildings
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this sounds a lot like a salt charge someone took the salt out of.
mircea_popescu: the human/whatever body is made to resist certain stresses. you gotta be that tall to ride sort of situation.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho. << It's lawyerasty. Shooting through next apartment and killing cat would ruin a small podunk PD.
BingoBoingo: Per the courts: FBI gets to kill Lavoy Finicum, Big Urban PD gets to sometimes kill people, Small town PD gets to write traffic tickers and bother drunks
BingoBoingo: Observe: StL city pd gets to shoot to kill. Suburban Ferguson gets consent decreed to death.
BingoBoingo: I am pretty sure being less equipped to slay bovine beast than "Rural King" near beast's rampage is pretty damn evaporated
BingoBoingo: I've been telling you it's a place for years
a111: Logged on 2014-05-30 18:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there is a big box type store called "Rural King" has more useful materials for electronics security than Best Buy
BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle the wonders of "Tractor Supply" or Bucheit
BingoBoingo: Or the wonderlands where tractor dealerships co-exist with car dealerships in a ratio that sometimes drops as low as 4/5
BingoBoingo: Yes, much of the cool shit you thing simply doesn't exist is actually sitting on store shelves 2 hours away
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so no tractor << Amazingly "tractor supply" sells pretty much everything rural but the tractors.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps he held a deep resentment against the trees?
BingoBoingo: Or did not want medical bill if .223 failed
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 19:15 asciilifeform: why not simply eat the rifle.
mircea_popescu: moreover, forest makes for terrible suicide location. if you're gonna off yourself, at least take some scum along.
phf`: this DYSPEPSIA GENERATION is neat
phf`: should've been written in Rust!
ben_vulpes: the rust evangelism chatbot thanks you for your contribution, and awards you eleventy whuffie
ben_vulpes: you may now proceed to quest 3 in the Infiltrate TMSR~ saga: write a patch demonstrating rust interop with TRB
phf`: i'm rewriting everything that asciilifeform is releasing in Ada in Rust, because it's secure AND modern!
☟︎ Framedragger: i never got to really explore D, but vaguely recall the compiler not being / not relying on llvm some years ago
Framedragger: author made strong opinionated choices etc, was interesting iirc
Framedragger: asciilifeform: orly, commercial? hah ok, didn't know
Framedragger: ic. i fiddled with it around ~2009 i think. but maybe with some 'freeware' version or w/e.
Framedragger: but the bootstrap website says that it's industry proven, has FB logo. MIXED SIGNALS
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, here goes, will re-submit now.
mod6: ok done. i copied the text down from the site, got good sig.
danielpbarron: ok good. was starting to wonder if they got intercepted