mircea_popescu: nice
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in pointless selfies trying to pretend like they're participation and message-y and whatnot, https://68.media.tumblr.com/672f03fddc8bd7293e7b6da7414d9bfb/tumblr_ntrixopVy91s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh
asciilifeform: i dun expect he'll ever write back
mircea_popescu: who ?
asciilifeform: author of 'dieharder'
mircea_popescu: no word. who knows.
mircea_popescu: honestly, from the past few years of involvement with "software engineers", i can squarely say i have no fucking idea what goes on in their heads, but if it came to light they're just randomly squirming like froglegs on electric plating i wouldn't be much surprised.
mircea_popescu: there doesn't seem to be more rhyme or reason behind their decisions / behaviours / choices / "engineering" generally speaking than behind movement of clouds.
mircea_popescu: for all i know dood hasn't even found that clicking plate with square nubbins on it for the past eight months.
asciilifeform: !~google sage smartprobe
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Loper OS » A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1667>; Loper OS » Sage SmartProbe FAQ: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1887>; Loper OS » The Care and Feeding of the Sage SmartProbe .: <http://www.loper-os.org/%3Fp%3D1821>
asciilifeform: hah.
mircea_popescu: lol. nice.
asciilifeform: took this long for ~all mention of the original to fade away...
asciilifeform: in other lulz : https://smpake.com/tmp/1494143304871.jpg
shinohai: http://archive.is/LuqoC <<< Trumpgate!
asciilifeform: 'President Trump fired FBI Director James B. Comey on Tuesday, at the recommendation of senior Justice Department officials who said he had treated Hillary Clinton unfairly and in doing so damaged the credibility of the FBI and the Justice Department.' << lol!
asciilifeform: from same rag, 'President Trump’s sudden removal of James B. Comey as director of the FBI sparked immediate fears among legislators and others that the bureau’s probe into possible collusion between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign might be upended now that Trump himself can handpick its new supervisor.'
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: it really sucks being old dunnit
shinohai: Getting older means an increase in burbujas after midnite.
mircea_popescu: and a decrease in burbujas between teh legs.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, mircea_popescu : no word from the dh d00d, eh << tbh, I haven't even reached out myself yet.
mod6: I was going to finish all the tests, compile some info, then if he still hadn't written to us or shown up here, I'd write him.
mircea_popescu: go for it, what can it hurt
mod6: exactly.
asciilifeform: link him plox to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647896 .☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 01:39 asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
mod6: yah, I think it's a good conversation
asciilifeform: soooo mod6 tried to post a pgp-signed comment in my www
asciilifeform: and it gets 1) BAD SIG when verified from paste from www
asciilifeform: 2) GOOD sig when verified from paste from COMMENT EDITOR
asciilifeform: 3) NULL DIFF b/w the two pastes if pasted into emacs each !!!
asciilifeform: NULL, motherfucker, diff.
mod6: This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true
mod6: I paste into comments section on loper, doesn't verify.
asciilifeform: except of course not null, but EACH TIME RANDOM place has extra space.
asciilifeform: because ??!!!.
mod6: weird.
mod6: I wrapped with <pre></pre> tags.. i feel like somewhere a \n got snarffed or something
mod6: it's gotta be browser related. if you copied the PGP signed data out of the database comments field or what not, and it was ok, then ok. may not mangled. but perhaps the browser does some weird formatting hijinx and that's fuckin us up.
mod6: i dunno, maybe not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice trilema doesn't suffer from same problem ; read mp-wp ; live happily ever after.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> NULL, motherfucker, diff. << does vdiff give different output hashes?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/craft-bot-replace-tool/ << Daniel P. Barron - Craft Bot Replace Tool
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/dogecointipbot-creator-admits-constant-embezzlement-while-shutting-down-service-sorry-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Dogecointipbot Creator Admits Constant Embezzlement While Shutting Down Service: Sorry For Your Loss
mod6: got it
mod6: newline snarffed: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VQ2cg/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
asciilifeform: mod6: try nao ?
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 <<
mod6 looks
mod6: seems to be the same for me?
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fUeq3/?raw=true
mod6: i might have to refresh/clear cache
mod6: naw, same thing. weird.
asciilifeform: where in satan's name does that space come from ?
asciilifeform: mod6: diff the hexdump -C outputs
asciilifeform: what do you get ?
mod6: ok, sec.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jqdKt/?raw=true
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UtR5k/?raw=true
mod6: will diff the orig and the latest pasted now, sec.
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Bdg7W/?raw=true
mod6: looks like 180: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/XMTTz/?raw=true
asciilifeform: that diff is useless, the tops ain't aligned
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: here's a gnu unified diff of the same: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JWTFY/?raw=true
mod6: anyway, don't worry about it. just nuke the post I made, and I'll dump the unsigned text inthere.
mod6: after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
mod6: so it's not much of a suprise i guess that a copy of the text, rendered, doesn't work.
mod6: maybe if wraped <code></code> tags wouldn't have wrapped up the links and snarffed the \n's.
mod6: but i don't know html very well.
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mircea_popescu: ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. whole fucking thing is a substitution engine for strings, how's the clearsign gonna be preserved.
phf`: for people who are into that kind of shit, Ruckert republished his "Understanding MP3", which is notable for being a literate program write up of an mp3 decoder (plus all the necessary context to understand how it works) https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-MP3-Semantics-Mathematics-Algorithms/dp/1541259335
phf`: was out of print since 2005, and i was trying to find a copy for a while, but ruckert just republished it using amazon's self publishing system. i haven't gotten a copy yet, but i suspect that it might not be a particularly good print, but we'll see
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653951 << that is surely one of them sex dolls?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 04:24 mircea_popescu: https://68.media.tumblr.com/4889bbd61efa1b6b8d4d0e04797caf9f/tumblr_ngqpti13u21tctanyo1_1280.jpg << incidentally, did we already do ballgirl ?
shinohai: Nifty phf, I kinda want a copy myself now.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ah but mod6 baby, you can't sign html and expect to verify the text a browser outputs cmon. << :] i didn't sign html.
mod6: <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii.
mod6: either loper, or browser is magling the text.
mod6: feels like the same thing that we went through with the pastebin stuff once upon a time.
mod6: shinohai: you around? got time to do me a favor?
mod6: <+mod6> <+mod6> This is the actual pgp clearsigned data: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9AAL7/?raw=true << this is what gets pasted into the comments section. 7bit ascii. << go to this link, copy the text, save locally, or however you want to do it, and see if it verifies.
shinohai: Morning mod6, be glad to help if possible. o7
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545&cpage=1#comment-18076 << << then go here, all PGP text and see if it verifies for ya.
mod6: *copy all PGP text
mod6: shinohai: thanks.
mod6: :] very much appreciated
shinohai: mod6: The paste verifies fine, the loperos one gives me: gpg: can't hash datafile: file open error
mod6: do you have all of the stuff between the '-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----' and '-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----', including those lines?
shinohai: Ah my bad now I got:
shinohai: BAD Sognature
shinohai: *signature
mod6: yah, same as both alf and I too.
mod6: thanks for checking.
shinohai: No problem, appears alf's blogotron is mangling it.
mod6: ill leave off with this, here is the un-buffer-copied, original before pasting into ben's wotpaste and loper
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WDSkv/?raw=true
mod6: my belief is that loper is discarding one of '0a's in that line 0000180 or whatever from lastnight
asciilifeform: mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
phf`: welcome back to another round of "we trying to put TEXT into a TEXTBOX" with your host phf
mod6: thanks asciilifeform for taking down the comment.
mod6: if i did something wrong here, i don't know, to this very minute what it is.
mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
mod6: ben_vulpes: do you care to remind the readers of the adventure you had to take to handle this with your wotpaste tool?
mod6: I remember these to be exceptionally painful.
mod6: I think independant replication is in order myself; i.e. someone create a clearsigned message with multiple line feeds in there (\n), and see if the result is the same.
phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
phf`: otherwise a POST from a curl/programmatically is the safest way to upload. that's what browsers also supposed to do, but some of them will corrupt your CR/CRLF/LF combinations, which is not anything that you can defend from on the server side
asciilifeform: clearsigning suxxx
phf`: wp on top of that runs comments through a renderer, that adds paragraph breaks and smileys and such
mircea_popescu: aha, phf` has it
mircea_popescu: phf` why do you think sex doll ? common female also can get clit shield / urethra buzzer installed.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ah sorry, i misunderstood http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1653972☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 05:15 mod6: after curl'ing down the page itself, this is what it looks like in HTML: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tTbXV/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: in case not found yet : "mod6.sig\n\n\nT" vs ".mod6.sig</a>\n\nT"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654007 << this only means it saved it correctly in the db. wp does another filtering pass when displaying, which does munge.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 13:24 asciilifeform: mod6: it gotta be in the display end. when i paste from the 'edit comment' box, it verifies
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654011 << because ben_vulpes went through a day or two of screaming and drilling with me on the topic many many years ago and we fixed the process.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 14:32 mod6: or why it works on ben_vulpes ' wotpaste and not elsewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes , et al : got a snippet for this wp fix ?
asciilifeform: or does it require mircea_popescu's wptron wholesale.
mircea_popescu: should be in wp-comments.php or w/e it's called i think. that'd be the displayer of comments section.
asciilifeform looks
mircea_popescu: and you know, not putting it in wholesale LAST time you ran into this problem with i dun recall what, it's how you woke up screaming in the middle of the night a half year later because OMFG WUT
asciilifeform: i blew a week+ on it and put on shelf, sad
mircea_popescu: wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftwasre.
mircea_popescu: ah wait, yeah, i recall you trying and couldn't get some corner in the door, what was it, do yo urecall ?
asciilifeform: the spam filter
asciilifeform: which to me was the mega-feature
asciilifeform: ( i would like to ditch the google horror thing i've got in there presently )
asciilifeform: http://asciilifeform.com << asciilifeform's mp-wp test install. comments dun work...
asciilifeform: ( i am wholly and deeply uninterested in a wp of any description whatsoever WITHOUT a spam filter. )
mircea_popescu: i dunno why it wouldn't work for you ;/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remind me, did it rely on static ip ?
mircea_popescu: i honestly dun recall how it works.
mircea_popescu: i do know it takes a while to train, and that it ~never fucks up my queue, i need to click maybe 3 items a week.
asciilifeform tried just now transplanting mircea_popescu's get_comment_text() from comment-template.php into own www
asciilifeform: result :
asciilifeform: undebuggable null pages on all loads.
asciilifeform: reverted.
mircea_popescu: sorry to hear.
asciilifeform: quite strange, because mircea_popescu's item doesn't appear to use any exotica
mircea_popescu: wp is particularily distinguished for how it breaks down silently and inexplicably in corner cases. like you know, websoftware !!11
asciilifeform: ok, let's try again:
asciilifeform: mod6 around ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654047 << php error_log may be able to tell you something? oblig caution re. gas mask, tho...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:01 asciilifeform: undebuggable null pages on all loads.
asciilifeform: seems to work nao!!
mircea_popescu: since he says undebuggable...
asciilifeform: ( i pasted mod6's text and commented under his name )
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 << seems to verify
asciilifeform: anyone confirm ?
Framedragger sees
Framedragger: oh shit, you meant sig. no, sorry
Framedragger yet to fetch keys and side-channel-verify...
mircea_popescu: looking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your site redirects me to http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1 and i load jack.
asciilifeform: clear cache ?
asciilifeform: seems to load here
asciilifeform: Framedragger? anybody ?
mircea_popescu: < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
mircea_popescu: < Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:09:35 GMT
mircea_popescu: < Server: Apache
mircea_popescu: < Location: http://www.www.loper-os.org/?p=1887
mircea_popescu: sez curl.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: loads fine, and reloads fine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: loads great with curl
Framedragger: no, mine does not redirect, incl. with curl (gives 200)
asciilifeform: you gotta put quotes around the url y'know, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: alright, let's.
asciilifeform: or ampersand fucks you
mircea_popescu: same behaviour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what exact command line ?
asciilifeform: and what ver of curl
phf`: mircea_popescu: www.www.
mircea_popescu: yep.
Framedragger: seems that www.www is the 301 *target* returned to his client, hah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZsKjC/?raw=true whole thing.
Framedragger: i mean, at this point i'd almost recommend to run a traceroute....
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my output of curl -v "http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086" &> foo.txt >>>>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ERLE0/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: no, i believe you.
phf`: Framedragger: oh cute, i thought that was a typo, or err copypasto
mircea_popescu: the problem is that mine dun work, not that yours does.
asciilifeform: anyone able to replicate mircea_popescu's effect ?
Framedragger: i wonder if mircea_popescu'd get the same if he ran a manual GET under `nc loper-os.org 80` hah
asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
asciilifeform: ^ is unlikely to apply mechanically to anybody else's wp install, mine is prehistoric
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yep. "<p>The document has moved <a href="http://www./">here</a>.</p>
mircea_popescu: "
mircea_popescu: GET /
Framedragger: hm
mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
Framedragger: GET /?p=1887&cpage=1#comment-18086 HTTP/1.1
Framedragger: Host: www.loper-os.org
mircea_popescu: for some reason (ie, abug) it doesn't get applied to you/most others
Framedragger: if i supply this to nc, i get 200
mircea_popescu: but it's still there. you got... >2 bugs.
Framedragger: damn russian hackers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox post output of my exact curl ( with the &> stderr redirect into txt file )
mircea_popescu: aite
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZfIQP/?raw=true
Framedragger: ah
Framedragger: mircea_popescu uses local hosts file right
Framedragger: do you have an entry for loper-os.org?
asciilifeform: IT ISN'T A STATIC IP !!!!
asciilifeform: i guess i oughta have warned.
mircea_popescu: awww.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes.
mircea_popescu: why, this is the expected behaviour ?
asciilifeform: it is.
mircea_popescu: seems unlikely, but okay!
asciilifeform: nfs inc. has ancient, 1990s-era thing with dynamic ips
asciilifeform: demonstrably ddos-proof, to date.
mircea_popescu: i still dunno why it'd www.www.
asciilifeform: and costs penny.
asciilifeform: the attempt to load random crapolade, somehow triggers this.
mircea_popescu: unless someone put a shitperl in there and forgot all about it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no such thing on my end, fwiw.
Framedragger: not sure about www.www, i also thought, maybe you have an alias loper-os.org => www.loper-os.org mircea_popescu ?
asciilifeform: at least not where i can get to it.
Framedragger: so www.loper-os.org actually becomes www.www
mircea_popescu: i just have www.loper-os.org
asciilifeform: try .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same
Framedragger: srsly
asciilifeform: how did mircea_popescu ever even read my www, gotta wonder
mircea_popescu: i can load it on other machines!
mircea_popescu: also, it sohuld be noted, i dun have same problem with... mp-wp
mircea_popescu: :D!!!
asciilifeform: well you wouldn't
asciilifeform: because your mp-wp lives on conventional static ip box.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: apparently it works with, too
Framedragger: GET / HTTP/1.1
Framedragger: Host: www.loper-os.org
Framedragger: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Framedragger: Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:25:26 GMT
Framedragger: Server: Apache
Framedragger: X-Pingback: http://www.loper-os.org/xmlrpc.php
mircea_popescu: no, the box has a whole c block
asciilifeform: Framedragger: then i have even deeper nfi
Framedragger: if nc'd to
asciilifeform: it works , fwiw, from every box and every modem i have here
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: but admittedly i don't mp-dns.
mircea_popescu: try it ?
asciilifeform: curl >>> '.... <p>The document has moved <a href="http://www.">here</a>.</p> ... ' << and mega-unsurprise!!!!
mircea_popescu: heh
Framedragger: LOL
mod6: hi, sorry got pulled away for a few there.
mod6: thanks for re-posting for me asciilifeform
mod6 checks
asciilifeform: i'll repeat, there is no possible way you can get to my www via http://ip . for any value of ip.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654100 let us reiterate☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:16 mircea_popescu: basically asciilifeform look for a dumb s/"http://www.// that gets applied everywhere
asciilifeform: it lives on an ancient collective cluster thing.
asciilifeform: which twiddles the dns, silently, and serves up the correct d00d's site based on url requested.
mircea_popescu: heh. ok then.
asciilifeform: i have 0 manual control over this process.
Framedragger: i mean, one can have a local entry in hosts file, even with old ip it seems, the client just needs to supply a correct 'Host' header field
asciilifeform: and i don't have the budget to put it on own t3 like trilema was put.
asciilifeform: fwiw in november of this yr it will be 10y old. and down time to date cumulative is approx 30 hrs.
mod6: nice
mircea_popescu: works just fine, of course, and i's kinda fond of that.
asciilifeform: ( impervious to slashdot, reddit, and at least 1 organized ddos )
mircea_popescu: eh, neither slashdot nor reddit sent any kind of traffic these days.
asciilifeform: not recently.
asciilifeform: in fact in recent times ~nobody reads it at all.
mircea_popescu: not for years. about as relevant as being mentioned in the subway.
asciilifeform: right.
asciilifeform: which makes nfs pricing scheme even MORE appealing
asciilifeform: no one reads ? i pay ~0.
asciilifeform: instead of monthly $hundreds
asciilifeform: whereas if it actually does a TB of load, i pay fiddibux-hundy
asciilifeform: this happened a handful of times, to date.
asciilifeform: i dun have a trilema.
mircea_popescu: having a trilema is good, even though it costs a little.
mircea_popescu: same old ho discussion : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
asciilifeform: right. i dun mean the physical box, mircea_popescu . i meant 'in my head, i dun have a trilema' to say.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, you're doing pretty well holding your own in here.
asciilifeform: i could get the box, if i had the outpour of production that'd merit one.
asciilifeform: mod6: try verifying the pgpblock
asciilifeform: it oughta work nao.
asciilifeform: mod6: ( backported http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654094 from mircea_popescu's wp )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 16:15 asciilifeform: ( meanwhile : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pgp_fix_cribbed_from_mp.vpatch << tentative . )
asciilifeform: mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one
asciilifeform: so we can confirm that it worx.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do me a favour plox : load mod6 comment from my last blogpost and gpg verify
BingoBoingo: It verifies for me
BingoBoingo: In other local news I somehow slept through http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article149709494.html#navlink=Lead
BingoBoingo: "He put three rounds into the bull, behind its shoulder, a traditional target spot to bring down big game, but the bull did not fall. The rifle carried by Highland police is an AR-15 that shoots .223-caliber, non-penetrating rounds." << Not a enough bullet for Buffalo Lives Matter
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: "But the bullet was not able to pierce the buffalo’s thick skull, which they use in nature like battering rams when they fight each other. However, the shot did knock the bull down to where Athmer could reposition again to gain a better angle and deliver more rounds. It took about a dozen shots total before the bull finally succumbed to its wounds in a brushy area about 100 yards off Tyson Road, about a quarter-mile outside the city li
BingoBoingo: mits." << This a a serious failure of community policing. Why were better equipped citizens not deputized to combat the brown menace?
asciilifeform: and ty mircea_popescu for the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654015 which worxxx great.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 14:36 phf`: i'm pretty sure wp arbitrarily mungles posts/comments on render. that's why mircea_popescu's wp version has a special hack that wraps gpg data in a pre and ensures that wp doesn't touch it in any way
asciilifeform: all that's missing is a new orwell to write 'shooting the bullephant' essay.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is .223 non penetrating supposed to do. get the police robbed by hoodlums in vinyl suits ?
mircea_popescu wouldn't even carry that dumb shit. buy a model of a real gun from a toy store, get more mileage out of that.
asciilifeform: ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s
mircea_popescu: idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and my pleasure.
asciilifeform: iirc idea was, suppressive fire (raw qty) counts for moar than quality
mircea_popescu: this idea works if you're china.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, so my comment that ~you~ reposted indeed verified after I copied it off the page.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: also plox do me a favour and post the comment yourself again, i'll remove the old one << sure, can/will do this a bit later for sure.
asciilifeform: mod6: aha, hence why i asked for take2
mod6: np. sorry about the delay.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc there was also a 'wounded man ties up 3, dead man 1' thing
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: dun work worth a shit for the police.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the idea was, rather than actually drill the idiots we recruit into soldiers, cheaper easier and lazier to just give them a gun. and since they're idiots anyway, we "optimize" gun into peashooter. our democracy progressing continously towards further heights of socialism.
mircea_popescu: then they run into actually trained actual men, and "o noes, snipers!!!" => collapsing tikrit "offensive" and "we're still two weeking mosul year and a half later" because three dudes didn't feel like speaking english that time.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ru '74' 5.56mm is similar. 'small bullet philosophy', 1970s << Completely different thing. When "non-penetrating" is specified bullet generally has plastic jacket over core of lead pellets
BingoBoingo: Idea is that 3/4" "firestop drywall" stops bullet in apartment buildings
BingoBoingo: !~later tell jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/sc2kp/?raw=true
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: this sounds a lot like a salt charge someone took the salt out of.
asciilifeform: smallbullet is not necessarily dumb, after all 1/2mv^2 -- not 1/2m^2v .
asciilifeform: the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho.
asciilifeform: sounds like an attempt to make 'dumdum' without the bad pr ( but why?? )
mircea_popescu: the human/whatever body is made to resist certain stresses. you gotta be that tall to ride sort of situation.
asciilifeform: bullet kills enemy with shock wave / liquifaction, not with hole ( notice, folx who have 'only hole', often live )
mircea_popescu: depends where.
asciilifeform: just short of everywhere.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'frangible' thing is crackpottery tho. << It's lawyerasty. Shooting through next apartment and killing cat would ruin a small podunk PD.
asciilifeform: dunno that this is so
asciilifeform: they routinely fire into crowds and nail folx even mile away, and 0 ruin.
BingoBoingo: Per the courts: FBI gets to kill Lavoy Finicum, Big Urban PD gets to sometimes kill people, Small town PD gets to write traffic tickers and bother drunks
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/comey-out-at-fbi-swamp-thrashes-as-guileless-people-pleasing-politruck-fired/ << Qntra - Comey Out At FBI: Swamp Thrashes As Guileless People Pleasing Politruck Fired
BingoBoingo: Observe: StL city pd gets to shoot to kill. Suburban Ferguson gets consent decreed to death.
asciilifeform: !#s gendarmerie
a111: 46 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plan is for 'small town pd' to evaporate. entirely.
asciilifeform: to be replaced by appointees from mvd or whatever it'll end up being called.
asciilifeform: ministry of internals.
BingoBoingo: I am pretty sure being less equipped to slay bovine beast than "Rural King" near beast's rampage is pretty damn evaporated
asciilifeform recently learned that 'rural king' actually exists. wants to visit.
BingoBoingo: I've been telling you it's a place for years
asciilifeform: i kinda assumed it were a composite picture.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Rural+King
BingoBoingo: First reference may 2014 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-30#695835☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-05-30 18:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there is a big box type store called "Rural King" has more useful materials for electronics security than Best Buy
asciilifeform: and also mentally associated it with http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/22/Fo1_Intro_Radiation_King_OR.png
BingoBoingo: https://www.ruralking.com/storelocator/index/index/
asciilifeform: nearest 1 is 2h away l0l
asciilifeform: unsurprise.
BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle the wonders of "Tractor Supply" or Bucheit
BingoBoingo: Or the wonderlands where tractor dealerships co-exist with car dealerships in a ratio that sometimes drops as low as 4/5
asciilifeform: well i dun have a tract !
asciilifeform: so no tractor
asciilifeform: https://www.ruralking.com/tannerite-10-pack-1-2-lb-exploding-binary-target.html << interesting
asciilifeform had nfi.
BingoBoingo: Yes, much of the cool shit you thing simply doesn't exist is actually sitting on store shelves 2 hours away
asciilifeform: ammonal existed in 20th c : '...Вбивают в камни аммонал,: Могилу рыть пора,: И содрогается запал: Бикфордова шнура...' ( v. shalamov )
mircea_popescu: pity one can't do anything without 8mn.
asciilifeform: it's what you blow the permafrost with, to dig grave.
asciilifeform: '...И без одежды, без белья, Костлявый и нагой, Ложусь в могилу эту я - Поскольку нет другой.' (tm)(r)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so no tractor << Amazingly "tractor supply" sells pretty much everything rural but the tractors.
asciilifeform: 'A 24-year-old man from Portland, Oregon, used a Tannerite explosion as a means of suicide. Officials indicated that on March 19, 2015, the man parked his car along US Route 26 in a rural area near Mt. Hood and walked into nearby woods, where he detonated a "large quantity" of Tannerite with a .223 caliber rifle. The blast shattered trees and resulted in a crater two feet deep and ten feet wide.' << lol, the sheer wtf
asciilifeform: why not simply eat the rifle.
BingoBoingo: Perhaps he held a deep resentment against the trees?
asciilifeform: or not satisfied with lethality of .223!111
BingoBoingo: Or did not want medical bill if .223 failed
asciilifeform: http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2015/03/family_of_man_who_died_in_mt_h.html#incart_river << crater
ben_vulpes: epic
ben_vulpes: up there with the shotgun hat
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in the world of tardanology : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/dutch-cops-bust-another-pgp-blackberry-company-for-alleged-money-laundering ( archive.is fails ! srsly the load-from-single-ip thing is monumentally retarded )
asciilifeform: 'how to make'em use our tardano?' 'aha! idea! we'll arrest some derps 'for using it''
asciilifeform: 'Since 2014, 34 Dutch investigations, including those involving attempted assassinations and international drug trafficking, have involved PGP phones, according to Politie. "Police and prosecutors have evidence that the main suspects knew their products and services primarily used by criminals for such offenses," the Politie announcement reads.'
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yOPEu/?raw=true << whole thing
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/ZcXW0ji.jpg << In other WTF
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i oughta explain -- the astonishing thing wasn't that ammonal exists ; or that the 2 basic ingredients are sold in shops ( they indeed are , worldwide ) but that the 'mix it yourself' juridicial loophole still holds anywhere in usa ( it appears to, in a few states, for the time being . )
asciilifeform: remember, this was the country where a man got 20 yrs for being found with a shoelace and a semiauto
asciilifeform: ( 'could tie shoelace to trigger, like-so, and it'll auto!!'--prosecutor )
asciilifeform: ianal but iirc the doctrine is called 'constructive possession'
asciilifeform: and initially applied to folx who had contraband in a hiding place somewhere outside of own house
asciilifeform: then, was extended, in the classic american pattern, to 'he owned an X? he owned a Y ? where X+Y is $contraband ? now we only gotta prove 'intent to add X+Y''
asciilifeform: which is quite easy to do, 'six words of the honest man', etc.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/MQCwF << related. famous d00d who was abducted and sits in american prison for -- alleged -- 'intent'
phf`: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-10#1654272 << recall shalamov's story of a man who killed himself by running (against all odds) into ammonal site☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-10 19:15 asciilifeform: why not simply eat the rifle.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: .223 makes for terrible suicide weapon.
mircea_popescu: moreover, forest makes for terrible suicide location. if you're gonna off yourself, at least take some scum along.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/
phf`: this DYSPEPSIA GENERATION is neat
ben_vulpes: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/05/exploiting-linux-kernel-via-packet.html
phf`: should've been written in Rust!
ben_vulpes: the rust evangelism chatbot thanks you for your contribution, and awards you eleventy whuffie
ben_vulpes: you may now proceed to quest 3 in the Infiltrate TMSR~ saga: write a patch demonstrating rust interop with TRB
phf`: i'm rewriting everything that asciilifeform is releasing in Ada in Rust, because it's secure AND modern!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: privesc, snoar
asciilifeform: speaking of 'c but with safety, really, believe!11' the original, 'd', apparently is in some sense alive! today : https://dlang.org
asciilifeform had nfi
asciilifeform: but, with, lol, llvm backend.
asciilifeform: unsurprisingly.
asciilifeform: ( was the original never openly published ? or simply dun work on anything today ? or wat. )
Framedragger: i never got to really explore D, but vaguely recall the compiler not being / not relying on llvm some years ago
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it was at one time a costly commercial beast
asciilifeform: is in fact the biggest afaik reason it never caught on
Framedragger: author made strong opinionated choices etc, was interesting iirc
Framedragger: asciilifeform: orly, commercial? hah ok, didn't know
asciilifeform: iirc payware until 2014.
Framedragger: ic. i fiddled with it around ~2009 i think. but maybe with some 'freeware' version or w/e.
asciilifeform: official compiler opened... month ago?!
asciilifeform: classic 'hey, it's finally dead AND rotten, we can open source it !!'
asciilifeform: as seen with, e.g., mit lispm sources
Framedragger: but the bootstrap website says that it's industry proven, has FB logo. MIXED SIGNALS
asciilifeform: the typical process is, at megacorp there in some dark closet labours a d00d with long beard who writes, e.g., a log daemon, in erlang. then it gets out and some crackpot www gets 'industry use!' logo.
asciilifeform: http://www.digitalmars.com/shop.html << holy shit, still alive.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1353...1039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F3A60F20D434E905E2C706B7A1192144749F4FFC2ACA3EF3F60FA94EADAA35D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...1303 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DK 83)
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, did you send those tshirts?
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, here goes, will re-submit now.
mod6: ok done. i copied the text down from the site, got good sig.
asciilifeform: mod6: old comment zapped; new one emplaced
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: holyfuck, no.
mod6: thanks!
asciilifeform goes to load crate into car for tomorrow's trip to town
danielpbarron: ok good. was starting to wonder if they got intercepted