BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (unlike eg "biking naked", gardening naked makes a lot of sense. skin washes better than any garment, which is why sane societies have kids under 10 or so in the buff. way the fuck better to step on the anglotard notions of "pudicity" than to crimp the kids' style.) << Notice naked gardening day is not during blackberry harvesting season
BingoBoingo: Apparently Macaroon in France got hacked just in time for ballots to be cast.
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mod6: you pasta sounded good.
mod6: tonight I had another Venison & blue cheese burger... this time I did the heating slightly different.
mod6: still, was delicious with toasted bun on the grill
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
fromloper: Can anyone help me with sage_pill.py? When I run it, it gets though programming the FPGA, but then dies with: FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed SmartLoadergramming SmartLoader MSG009: Disabling SupportLibrary Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module> dump_forever() File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever l = sage.readline() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/seri
fromloper: GDB seems to crash with an internal error. Then shows Remote debugging using /dev/ttyACM0 0xffffffff in ?? ()
fromloper: If I hit enter a couple time ---SmartProbe: 3.2_3743 98:73:c4:00:05:43 0 SmartProbe: 3.2_3743 98:73:c4:00:05:43 0
fromloper: FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed
fromloper: Traceback (most recent call last):
fromloper: File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module>
fromloper: File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever
fromloper: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/serial/serialposix.py", line 495, in read
fromloper: raise SerialException('device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)')
fromloper: If I run sage_pill again, it seems to show the old CRCs and lets me update again?
fromloper: One moment.. seeing if I can scrollback that far
fromloper: Looks like the original has scrolled off, so I don't know
fromloper: Thank so much. Do you know if there is a bypass for the EDK?
fromloper: Should the probes normal startup status be blinking?
fromloper: Ahh just say the manual you posted, thanks. That was my main concern (power, etc) for the edk
fromloper: Now to see if I can find a gdb that works ;-)
fromloper: Found though google. My main use for the probe is to have a cheap x86 JTAG device for VMM development
fromloper: The Gizmo Explorer that came with the probe. In theory it supports AMDs VMM extensions
mircea_popescu: fromloper consider getting a proper name / registering your pgp key with deedbot while at it.
fromloper: Also looking at trying to get a Skylake/Kabylake with DCI enabled (JTAG over USB) since that just requires a USB 3 debug cable. The Intel NUC's have a bios setting "Silicon Debug Feature" but although it sets the debug MSR, it doesn't appear to set the PCH register correctly, and the PCH register is locked by the time it gets out of BIOS.
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mod6: sounds like what i'm tryin to get into
fromloper: There is a bug in Gigabyte's NUCs where they left DCI half enabled. Unfortuntly I bricked the one I had.
fromloper: Because it had intel bootguard and didn't like my customized bios
fromloper: Chip was soldered on and it's within Amazon's 30 day so easier to return and get one without vPro
fromloper: I tried seeing if I could reprogram it via a TL866a but VCC isn't wired for in system programming and I didn't want to cut the trace on a system I might need to return
fromloper: I powered it up, which got rid of the overcurrent error, but it couldn't read the chip. Maybe a bad clip and or the TL866a isn't up to the task. Kind of a novice at these things.
fromloper: I believe USB DCI is only on their Skylake+ U-Series chips which are geared towards mobile and those tend to have soldered SOP8s since they tend to either be laptops or NUCs
fromloper: The ideal will be if Intel fixes their BIOS, because then it would be a supported option on a mainstream system.
fromloper: Do you avoid Intel all together then or have another recommendation for low level debug?
fromloper: Ahh. Well no choice if I want to use intel's VMX instrutions but to use intel. Just trying to avoid having to spend $3000 for the standard ITP-XDP device and needing special expensive boards with an XDP port.
fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but why ? he just wants to, and you seem to be free! and the market ended up 95% usg for entirely unrelated reasons.
fromloper: NDA doesn't cost anything. You just need to be a company.
BingoBoingo: seekrit docs just have more frustrating disinfo
mircea_popescu: fromloper why'd you make any promises to those assholes ?
fromloper: I'm not paid. It's my own startup. Other than the sage thing, wasn't specifically asking for help just discussing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, MOS 6502 does all the computing necessary for most purposes
fromloper: mircea, because their public docs are shit and NDA just means I want share their secret shit. It's not a big deal to me.
fromloper: I'm at an inital research stage at this point if it pans out they have a heavier NDA and you can buy the private tools. At this point I'm just doing proof of concept so I don't want to invest too much if it doesn't pan out.
fromloper: Their private debugger is $5k a year though.
fromloper: They have a "restricted" level NDA which is above the normal. You need to acually talk to people about your project insead of just signing up a webform. I'll look at Arium / Lauterbauch / Intel PDT if I get past POC and find some investors ;-)
fromloper: If I liked spending money I wouldn't be worrying about getting the $15 debug cable to work or an abandoned $200 probe.
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe intel capital invests. acquihire cheaper for them than actually hiring and they've been doing all that song and dance about hiring in the us.
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fromloper: Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it.
fromloper: This is all really my attempt at having to avoid working for someone else again.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually the time symmetry approach is very intelligent.
fromloper: You can get a trial of System Studio which comes with System Debugger. System Debugger sucks, but the debug layer is there underneath in python and C#, so you have pretty direct access to JTAG if you want to RE it.
fromloper: The ptsecurity guys did a talk on it.
fromloper: Driver comes with System Studio (which is free trial)
BingoBoingo: <fromloper> Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it. << What's wrong with Z80 and Motorola 68k and Make Computing Great Again(TM)(R)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: imagine my brief surprise to realize this was not How Adults Did Things
fromloper: System Debugger supports the $3000 XDP-ITP, the $390 SVT CCA adapter, and the $15 USB debug cable.
ben_vulpes: then ofc remembered that 200,000 lines of cpp make up nasa's most important models and rolled my eyes at my own self
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one day you'll get to read military ballistics software, have a lol.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What new. Debug to build aound the old ones.
BingoBoingo: fromloper: Anyways prolly more money in debugging John Deere's firmware than Intel's
fromloper: I don't think the current version does anymore. All the FPGA images are XDP3 or XDP4. I know older versions of System Debugger had support for older XDPs. If you have a student email you can get System Studio for free and it has access to older versions which might support it.
fromloper: I think the older ones had a shittier abstraction layer though. The python C# one is easy to reverse.
fromloper: Bingo, my interest is more in security. Most people aren't that worried about their tractor being hacked.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers.
☟︎ fromloper: Be back in a bit. Gotta reboot and see if I can find a GD that won't crash with the smartprobe.
fromloper: asciilifeform. Thanks again so much for your help and hard work on fixing the probe.
mircea_popescu: yes. his idea is, and perhaps not without merit, that by getting the bundle he names you might be able to salvage a driver.
mircea_popescu: either out of the box or with some minimal assembly at home.
BingoBoingo: fromloper: You'd be surprised. Many people want out of John Deere's rootkit so that they can fix their tractor cost less than $newtractor
fromloper: Bingo, I'm not saying there isn't a market, but it's not really where my interest is. The ideal is to find interest and market fit. If it was just about money I would just go work for google.
BingoBoingo: pop them out of performas? Or did performas get expensive?
fromloper: There are open source FPGA 68ks that are pretty small. You might be able to fit 16 on a relatively small one.
BingoBoingo: none, I thought that's why god invented chinamen
ben_vulpes: fromloper: but it is about money with the "not wanting to work for other people"
mod6: i don't fuck around with it comes to atm
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output:
https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5 ☟︎ shinohai: hello fromloper ... I personally have not had opportunity to try this particular board yet, I'm sure asciilifeform can help you
fromloper: He has helped me with unlocking the probe. Now hopefully he can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong :-(
fromloper: Using gdb --command=gdbinit.txt slightly modified for more verbose output
fromloper: Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now!
☟︎ Framedragger: rehi, finally almost-summer here (hey it's a big deal here when it's not mist and misery more than 50% of the week), frolicking in the sun :)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 17:34 phf: Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 18:13 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638105 << dumping dom is not hard (it's innerhtml attribute on document.body/head), extracting images/objects is harder. used to be able to do it using canvas, but not there's security provisions. you literally have to go into the browser's cache (via internal apis) to got the graphic, etc. back. or else redownload, which is rife with potential issues
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: why did you skip over wget -R ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:18 trinque: I don't run JS in either case
Framedragger: possibly taleb's writings, etc. and yeah it sucks and may be the wrong choice politically (contrast with mp's explicit refusal to load PDFs, period).
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652129 << and yeah this is PROBABLY the way to get burned. asciilifeform imagined the archiver as a "public whore prostitute", a box which can be exposed to exploits and malware, but that's even more dirty. (that said, may be the way to go.)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:20 trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:43 fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output:
https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5 a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:56 fromloper: Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now!
phf`: my oldest surviving config is a tcshrc i wrote for my umd shell account
phf`: those university solaris systems were cool because of the afs mount points. it sort of reminded me of my first dialup-into-shell internet connection: a narrow bandwidth gateway into this really rich worl
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 14:33 asciilifeform: but did not register a name, still not in wot. mega-unsurprise.
mircea_popescu: 'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. << nooo!
Framedragger: !!rate vc 2 used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy
Framedragger: !!v B7B6AC45283C343C3195042D6CE20D54E1707D9C315CD0D2016AA7D1435CC52B
deedbot: Framedragger rated vc 2 << used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy
Framedragger msg'd vc about #t presence and whether he's interested, as of now he's not considering offering dedi boxes tho, it seems
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger: to you in the particular. Dear everloving G-d, please read the logs and stop rehashing discussions. Also, fewer messages, more content.
gabriel_laddel_p: Also, I read the logs and don't need to be notified of their contents.
Framedragger: (but what if function of said idea is mockery? G-d knows!)
mircea_popescu: portuguese is basically an alt-spanish designed by some guy in the False Friends club.
mircea_popescu: ~russian spoken by creole girl with fake tits and no apparent anal innervation.
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gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
☟︎☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: Walked into the room of the girl I came to see (over here to do laundry) -- absolute squalor. Filth everywhere. Flies.
gabriel_laddel_p: Someone more powerful than me please kill all of these idiots.
gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: IE associated with one of his startups, the "thiel fellows" or something
mircea_popescu: would you think the same if it were "kardabutt" or such ?
mircea_popescu: how can a pool be broken anyway ? someone drove a truck into it ?
mircea_popescu: i got this poor guy here, cleans the pool every day. (it rains, tropical torrential rain. thing gets washed full of everything. he pickls them back out). whole thing gives me trouble, on one hand i'd like to tell him to nevermind, on the other im not sure it's such a good idea.
gabriel_laddel_p: childrens play equipment (?), broken chairs, the pool itself is full of brown/green alge-water
ben_vulpes: it takes all of five minutes to rig an adequate pool pump
ben_vulpes: that and ten dollars for the pump at harbor freight
ben_vulpes: ya slip a white tee over the outlet and change it when it stops getting darker
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the 2017 version of the mit grads and lightbulbs
ben_vulpes: not to give the impression that i think the vpatch in question is particularly useful.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude ends up having to pick leaves and shit out
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes here's the thing : without review of what the compiler spits out of it, you can't actually know whether the change won't create a split down the road.
mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 21:48 mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
mircea_popescu: nah, ~same as php. processes strings to spit out on a gui.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:54 gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
phf`: actually come to think of it i've never been to an american house with books either. i think that maybe i just associate with wrong kind of americans?
phf`: oh i lie, i have a friend whose parents are an astrophysicist and a literature something or other phd. they have a hoard (but much smaller hoard than say an equivalent russian botanik family, where the house is nothing but books)
phf`: i always imagined that there are houses out there of tenured professors, who like to "appreciate" wine and go to opera and such, they i'm sure have "exquisite" collections
phf`: it's very odd, considering how much space those mcmansions have. i mean, you could devote a whole room to a library!
phf`: move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also
☟︎ phf`: errm, bingoboingolandia
phf`: give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living"
☟︎☟︎ Framedragger: very nice. not a lot of uhh modulation (i guess is the word) possible. but cool
phf`: crazy gutta from teh nodick culture
phf`: relatedly back when i was part of a hackerspace we had a visitor from a scandinavia with all kinds of whacky projects like that. part art, part "direct action", part prank. i asked him how he got paid for this, he laughed and said that everything that he does is funded entirely by government grants
phf`: amusingly that was back when the left loved pim fortuyn, who was a homosexual and ran on a platform of transparent government through technology. he was also fiercely anti-muslim and anti-multiculralist.
phf`: he was assassinated by a muslim, roughly the same time when another dutch, theo van gogh got knifed by a muslim for making anti-muslim short movie
phf`: from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc.
☟︎ Framedragger: i guess i need to educate self more. (also, e.g. bakunin called himself "socialist" heh, but that's just change of value of term over time)