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mircea_popescu: eh wtf.
asciilifeform: at last.
asciilifeform: incidentally i'd be curious to hear if anybody's ever seen a dieharder output on something that isn't a prng or prng-whitened trng, that consistently produced no 'weak'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 , et al ^
asciilifeform: ( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. )
asciilifeform: and spiffy scope, mod6
asciilifeform: ( he has the next model after asciilifeform's , looks like )
mats: herro
asciilifeform: ohai mats
asciilifeform: how goes ?
mats: carpal tunnel's a bitch
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: i assume tried the traditional cures, didn't help ?
mats: https://www.tindie.com/products/WaywardGeek/infinite-noise-true-random-number-generator i have one of these and creator says whitening's built into the driver, so you could give that a shot or wait for me to do it
mats: after recompiling driver
asciilifeform: i'd much prefer to try a device that doesn't pick up voice of america
asciilifeform: (linked item is wholly unshielded and has no digital/analogue plane separation at all)
mats: ic.
mats: i've tried sleeping supine, slathering bengay, eating ~800mg of ibuprofen, splints, setting 30min interval alarms when i needa type continuously for hours, and giving up computing after hours -- has helped
asciilifeform: afaik only the last one worx
mats: but it flares up now and again and i'm useless
asciilifeform: dun have to be 'computing', but conventional keyboard - yes
BingoBoingo: I don't see topical diclofenac on that list!
mats: some things i've run into during my leave that i thought you folks might find a passing interest in:
mats: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mules.pdf
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly -- http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jtwkB/?raw=true << 1G of bytes from /dev/urandom on linux 4.2.3 . )
mats: https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck static analysis for bash scripts
mats: http://archive.is/ny36f some guy's compilation of pgp weirdness
mats: http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html i might've seen this here, not sure: 'rise and fall of Lisp at the Jet Propulsion Lab'
asciilifeform: the 'pgp oddities' is in the logz, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-28#900083☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-28 12:42 jurov: sauce: http://www.angelfire.com/pr/pgpf/pgpoddities.html
asciilifeform: ditto erran gatt's piece
asciilifeform: https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck 's recommendation of 'flycheck' is unconscionable :
asciilifeform: !#s flycheck
a111: 58 results for "flycheck", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flycheck
asciilifeform: the 'mules' piece i read, and wondered why it does not discuss the people actually fucked by cc fraud (vendors) and instead dwells on the people not-fucked-at-all (banks)
asciilifeform: typically there is not a separated 'mule', e.g., 'amazon' is the mule.
asciilifeform: but -- wb mats !
asciilifeform: mats: didja ever become a reverser like you wanted to ?
mats: in a prior piece, the authors do mention the disproportionately large burden that small bidnesses have, as their losses aren't covered by 'Regulation E': https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/everythingYouKnow.pdf
mats: asciilifeform: sadly no. still on the five year plan.
mats: no updates re: esp8266, don't have time for it but i'll cough up the coin if someone wants to try a bulk purchase and play with one
mats: BingoBoingo: any side effects i should know about, do you know if its effective with ulnar nerve entrapment
BingoBoingo: mats: None I know about, and no specifics on that application. It will however allow for greater effective dosing than continuing 800 mg ibuprofen
mats: the ibuprofen hasn't done shit for me besides give me heartburn
mats: https://gregpytel.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/largest-heist-in-history.html 'This blog demonstrates that ... the financial system was turned into a pyramid scheme in a technical, legal sense'
mircea_popescu: such a novel idea.
BingoBoingo: mats: Well that's why you ought to go topical
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/15/once-upon-a-time-in-a-36-sigma-event-far-far-away/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Once upon a time, in a 36 sigma event far, far away…
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/civil-unrest-continues-in-berkeley-antifa-terrorists-deploy-chemical-weapons/ << Qntra - Civil Unrest Continues in Berkeley – Antifa Terrorists Deploy Chemical Weapons
mircea_popescu: is asad goin gto bomb berkley ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644346 << item doesn't exist, no.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 03:26 asciilifeform: ( where do i even buy a provably nonwhitened trng ?! to compare to, i mean. i tried to buy such a thing, failed. not sold afaik for any amount. )
mats: https://www.scribd.com/document/344995943/Report-by-White-House-Alleging-Proof-of-Syria-as-the-Perpetrator-of-the-Nerve-Agent-Attack-in-Khan-Shaykhun-on-April-4-2017 Prof. Ted Postol believes the current us administration is being manipulated by clever propaganda
mircea_popescu: pretty much the consensus afaik.
mircea_popescu: old man watching tv.
BingoBoingo: Clearly Puntin needs to redirect Assad to this dire threat
mats: same fella is also known for debunking an earlier attribution to assad for the 2013 damascus attack, disputing israeli claims as to 90% effectiveness of the iron dome (discussed here iirc), and pissing on the effectiveness of the patriot pac-2 system in 'desert storm'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644377 << because amateurs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 03:49 asciilifeform: the 'mules' piece i read, and wondered why it does not discuss the people actually fucked by cc fraud (vendors) and instead dwells on the people not-fucked-at-all (banks)
mircea_popescu: mats or perhaps more properly put, "anti-known", in the sense the tards pretend not to know.
mircea_popescu: somehow they're also insulated from the "isn't it strange, you seerm to know what you're ostensibly not knowing" problem. through wishing they were, because that works irl!!1
mats: i suspect it was delivered with an artillery shell rather than a rocket dropped by su-22, american radar may be able to disprove this
mats: but then why not publish this evidence?
mircea_popescu: the syrian story is the rebels were stockpiling it and it broke out once bombed.
mircea_popescu: this is rather likely true ; if it is by far the best strategy for the terrorist state involved is to publish nothing and yak loudly.
mircea_popescu: it still enjoys a lot of support among ~300 million moral idiots without any sort of conscience.
mats: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2017/04/05/khan-sheikhoun-chemical-attack-evidence-far/ a collection of osint on the subject
BingoBoingo: The point that matters is that someone needs to make POTUS great again
BingoBoingo: take the fucker's tv and put the old man on a strict diet of AM radio
mircea_popescu: heh
mats: i have been thinking usg destabilization of dprk is a great way to jam a fork in the party's eye
mats: this month has been entertaining
mats: (chinese communist party)
mircea_popescu: maybe.
mircea_popescu: usg has a lenghty history of monumentally inept intl politics
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather trust a gaggle of ghana street urchins than us state to achieve anything.
mats: there's footage suggesting massive .cn troop movements to the border
BingoBoingo: Which is why Trump needs to listen to Rush Limbaugh like real Americans do on their drive home from work.
mats: although this is consistent with specific brinksmanship events
mircea_popescu: mats this is how the usg lost ukraine, iksn't it.
mircea_popescu: if china decides to annex korea, both of them, who's gonna say anything ?
mircea_popescu: the ny strip club/grill dba "un" ?
mats: perhaps mr. trump will let a nuke off the chain
mircea_popescu: nobody ever will. nukes are a unique item that a) doesn't work and b) everyone thinks it does. it's the exact equivalent of the "valuable inheritance".
mircea_popescu: it ain't ever getting sold because it's more valuable as a tool to control the children than it'd ever fetch on the market.
mats: what would the party want with dprk anyways, they'd be picking up the tab for an entire generation
mircea_popescu: what'd anyone want with ukraina.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, don't ask me, there's a reason i don't try to run a geostate.
mats: i agree that its unlikely anyone will use a nuke and claim responsibility for it
mircea_popescu: if anyone "uses" one there'll be auto-allocated responsibiolity. just like in the case of assad.
mircea_popescu: according to everyone, everyone else dun it.
mats: but the use of, say, one of those long-lost ussr suitcase nukes in uncertain circumstances, well...
mats: great excuse to annex a wealthy neighbor experiencing a fictitious civil war, under the pretense of martial law
mircea_popescu: eh amnd what's that gonna do. bl;ow up a parking lot ?
mircea_popescu: mats indeed.
mircea_popescu: hence the earlier comment re "buy ssds whole they still exist"
mircea_popescu: not like china believes in free market in the sense of selling you anything but the dregs.
mircea_popescu: you know, just like the usg wouldn't sell it anything but the dregs for a century.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644428 << lizards are at war with the very concept of sovereignty.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 04:51 mats: what would the party want with dprk anyways, they'd be picking up the tab for an entire generation
mats: the border with dprk is enormous, how do you unfuck the refugee problem
mats: guess you could put a couple divisions to work shooting people and digging holes...
asciilifeform: which is why they've been trying to rm -rf northkr since '50s
asciilifeform: it is currently the only nation ( and, yes, unlike, e.g., usa, it is a nation) with industry but no mcdonalds, no riaa, and no harvard sons.
asciilifeform: total rejection of the lizard cathedral.
asciilifeform: which is why their attempts to build cheap, effective usg navy erasers is painted as 'aggression'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561581 << see also thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 22:30 asciilifeform: but to appreciate it, you'd have to actually think re subj and not simply swallow south kr (usg) nonsense
mircea_popescu: can't say i'm all too keen on the nation bullshit.
mircea_popescu: from experience it always works out to "we'll link up to protect our stupidity in a group of idiots"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> and spiffy scope, mod6 << thx!
mats: some riot clips from today: when antifa tries to build a wall https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/853357068149022721 leled at beer belly guy wearing a 'captain america'-themed t shirt
mircea_popescu: i suppose the commie dorks forgot what all happened to the guys hitler's sa practiced on.
mats: https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/853369814353661953 what is wind
mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally i'd be curious to hear if anybody's ever seen a dieharder output on something that isn't a prng or prng-whitened trng, that consistently produced no 'weak'. << werd.
mats: the 'antifa' people are all out of shape compared to the other guys on scene
mod6: i'll be testing the other ones and will report back how the ent/dh results look on each.
mircea_popescu: doh. they're the fat whores.
mats: http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-trump-supporters-beaten-agitators-berkeley-rally
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i personally much relish nations, but the alternative seems to be 'atomized' people who are deculturated to the point of qualifying for simian cage in zoo, and crushed by megastate like insects when needed.
asciilifeform: mod6: neato, i look forward to reading
mod6: <+asciilifeform> NOW if it happens with all of the units in mod6 's parcel, and ~every~ run -- then problem. << this is key too. i'll perhaps collect another 1Gb+ a few more times from that initial first one and report back on the ent/dh results too.
mod6: asciilifeform: werd. anyway, it's exciting to test these.
mats: i look forward to watching riots in vr
asciilifeform: mod6: it helps to recall, also, what 'dieharder' and similar tools are actually ~for~.
asciilifeform: they will reliably find what one might call 'coarse errors in pilotage' of rng builder
asciilifeform: (e.g., stuck bits)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just because the ustard is a sad excuse for monkey nation does not imply we'll now accept the turd soup of "nations" does it ?
mod6: i'd like to get more familiar with the types of statistical tests from `ent` and `dieharder`.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everyone i ever met who was worth knowing was a product (and typically escapee from) a healthy , traditional nation. not deculturated ???s, no.
mircea_popescu: i'm certainly no product of a (wholly imaginary) romanian "nation".
asciilifeform: mod6: most of'em are essentially montecarlos of various sorts, and result is judged by how close to 'expected'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: says the d00d from whose www i learned enough ro to read , e.g., 'silver boar' hunt poem and 1,001 other cultural treasures from 'imaginary nation'
mircea_popescu: if you're definition of a nation is a language then you're very much not talking of the same thing as in the case of best korea.
mircea_popescu: 2nd best korea uses same language.
mod6: asciilifeform: aha. ok, just read about that on the `ent' page. mine was: Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141730891 (error 0.00 percent).
asciilifeform: different кто ты по жизни jumper settings, however
mod6: Looks pretty solid to me.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm transylvanian if anything, which is an ethic group, if you must, and which has about as much to do with "romania" as say http://trilema.com/2013/the-greatest-accomplishments-of-the-french/#comment-92869
mircea_popescu: there's certainly no such thing as "the ardeal nation"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this i can picture.
asciilifeform: the 19th c. 'nationbuildings' were bogus, is obvious to blind man.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter i don't recall you being much of a "nation of ukr" either.
asciilifeform: i dun see appeal of inhabiting fictional nations any moar than mircea_popescu does.
mircea_popescu: so then lettuce leave this 1800s hillarytardism rot in the 1800s.
mircea_popescu: nations are for people too stupid to have been born this century.
asciilifeform: they're the pilot light.
asciilifeform: 'healthy breeding cow pool that sometimes produces people' as old mircea_popescu article put it.
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced.
mircea_popescu: teach the girls to whore and the boys to die, that's all the nation you'll ever need or for that matter want.
mircea_popescu: (note that this is also exactly THE OPPOSITE of what every "nation" aims or attempts)
asciilifeform: usa was , at its root, a massive test of 'hey nations are bogus, nobody needs, let's all be Independent People Doing Own Thing'
asciilifeform: massive failure.
mircea_popescu: it worked while they worked it.
asciilifeform: while folks from healthy old world came and worked it.
mircea_popescu: once "doing independent thing" became watching tv (a subset thereof http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643888 are -- they're exactly IDENTICAL to middle aged women, watching their favourite tv dramas)...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 01:17 mircea_popescu: i expect about half are white, unsexed, males in their 30s +- 8 years.
asciilifeform: deculturated wonders automagically create a tv.
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
asciilifeform: in 18th c it was their dour churches.
mircea_popescu: lazy is not in any sense precluded by smart. just look at bernstein.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644493 << ahahaha die for ~what~. is what nation is.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 05:36 mircea_popescu: teach the girls to whore and the boys to die, that's all the nation you'll ever need or for that matter want.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it worked on anyone but illiterate peasants, that trick.
asciilifeform: 'die for mcshitburger' ain't working out so well for the anglotards.
mircea_popescu: again, historical accident dun enact engineering lest we end up building planes of roof since tornado happened.
asciilifeform: 'die for a fat broad's right to marry her dog' (tm)(r)(trilema)
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone imagines natostan works
mircea_popescu: theirein included, the "our democracy" aparatchicks.
asciilifeform: hassids, however: work. ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561673 thread )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 23:12 asciilifeform: and in re last thread also, i know of 0 examples of anybody pulling this kind of thing off using strictly volunteers having no blood relation.
asciilifeform: chechens -- work.
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't think they worked.
asciilifeform: they work, as far as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: how about we let a chechen join the wot, make it to the lordship, then he can tell us they work if they do.
asciilifeform: fact: somebody gotta fall on grenade. plug embrasure.
mircea_popescu: till then, they work as well as drinking gasoline works.
mircea_popescu: "man... i forgot what i was tryinna do!"
asciilifeform: resisting dissolution in surrounding deculturated liquishit == works.
mircea_popescu: nonsense.
asciilifeform: resisting mcshitburger.
mircea_popescu: makes it into l1 and says it works = works.
asciilifeform: whole point is that they are own l1.
asciilifeform: dun need us martians for anything.
mircea_popescu: = not works.
mircea_popescu: that's my whole fucking point, i need another set of "oh, we have slavegirls! no they can't dance and what is this cocksucking ? BANNED BY GOD!!11" bullshit.
asciilifeform: this is a postulation, not an observation, nor a deduction; i won't engage it
mircea_popescu: might have been entertaining in 1100
mircea_popescu: the notion that random-dorks may make "their own" l1 is not unlike the proposition princeton made its own alt-world in which it is relevant and "Blockchain technologees".
mircea_popescu: if it didn't suck it'd have been in here.
asciilifeform: princeton is a tendril of the octopus.
mircea_popescu: what, and you're enumerating badness ?
asciilifeform: whereas anything demonstrably separate from the octopus, and that resists it, is a valuable thing.
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't "princeton is tendril of XXX". the problem is "if princeton didn't suck it would have been in here."
mircea_popescu: that is nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu seriously expects sane folx to automatically accept him as pope 'at first sight' ?
asciilifeform: just like-so?
mircea_popescu: me ?
asciilifeform: well, how am i to process 'if they didn't suck, they'd already be here'
mircea_popescu: well, in my apparently peculiar view "here" is a construct of thought rather than a mpapacy.
asciilifeform: ideally!
mircea_popescu: eh, let them be the better mps, if they got the wetware. what, you think i'd object ?
mircea_popescu: save me the fucking trouble, i'll throw a ticker tape parade.
asciilifeform typically of same mind re own functions.
mircea_popescu: if power rangers weren't terminal fucking retards it's altogether unlikely anyone'd even know the name.
mircea_popescu: i don't even mean "if they were brilliant" or anything.
asciilifeform: if earlier set of powerrangers weren't similarly retarded, we would not have heard of stalin, say.
asciilifeform: i don't know of a traditional name for his historical process, but imho it deserves one.
mircea_popescu: conceivably.
asciilifeform: *this historical
asciilifeform bbl, bedtime
mircea_popescu: i dunno, fucking with the tomb of tal'rasha
mircea_popescu: ^ iran, fancy that.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/ << Trilema - In scams today, Disk Less Terminal SA dba "laesquinadelamazmorra"
BingoBoingo suspects nation scam is simple effort to hijack tribal tendancies for gr8 tragedy
mircea_popescu: certainly fits observed record.
asciilifeform: in other non-news, northkr pr0n, http://red-sovet.su/post/29932/walk-around-the-north-korean-network
asciilifeform: ( text is a snoar, scroll to pics )
mircea_popescu scrolls
mircea_popescu: i do not understand why all the girls are old ugly and dressed in this porn ?
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/2cd87e3f3bad357bf5e1d68d67069f2d/tumblr_obpp2tZzta1s71ndao1_1280.jpg << better porn.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously now, what's with the syncrhonized glass clinking, is this one of those mass weddings or something ? scientology run event ?
asciilifeform: hey, asia. martians.
mircea_popescu: the waitresses have nice tits and terrible skirts.
mircea_popescu: i expect this pretty much summarizes north korea altogether.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, must be one helluva trip for good soviet, it looks exactly like what su'd have been in 2017 had everyone involved been braindamaged enough to permit it to continue past 88.
mircea_popescu: including the terrible apples and all the food fixation of an evidently hungry people.
asciilifeform: i especially luvvv the usual american retort 'over where they didn't let the tourist go, they have zimbabwe, ruins, zombies'. as if, e.g., baltimore, did not look like this.
mircea_popescu: my objection is that if i invited any of those girls with nice tits to my hotel room she wouldn't have sense enough to strip while walking the hallway.
asciilifeform: no shit, hungy, they only recently came out of latest usg-organized famine, 90s
asciilifeform: *hungry
mircea_popescu: it's funny how you don't regard the is-organized rape of the us as is-organized but you DO regard the best korea-organized famine of best korea as us organized.
asciilifeform: who blockaded usa , again ? land, sea, air
asciilifeform: ?
asciilifeform: picture if martians bombed everyone who paid for usa exports .
mircea_popescu: who bombed china ?
asciilifeform: nobody , since the chinese built sovereigntytrons
mircea_popescu: it's also their very largest trade partner by huge margin.
asciilifeform: ~only afaik
mircea_popescu: so then what are you on about ?
asciilifeform: the chinese are reluctant partners.
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: they, afaik, would rather that 'korea problem' quietly evaporate.
mircea_popescu: someone would not rather the usg problem quietly evaporate ?
mircea_popescu: what, you imagine if tomorrow there were simply a hole in the ocean where the us stood anyone'd miss them ?
mircea_popescu: nobody'd miss them, don't kid yourself.
asciilifeform: now that'd be something!
asciilifeform: nao if only problems quietly evaporated, ever.
asciilifeform: for instance, squirrels have dug a tunnel into my wall, it would be great if they disappeared suddenly. but they won't, will have to get specialists
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: are they deposing nuts with the first bank of alf ?
asciilifeform: devil knows
asciilifeform: took me forever to even find the hole, was behind a gutter, on roof
asciilifeform: owner of bldg: 'get removers, then invoice'. takes forever, tho, still waiting.
asciilifeform: these cardboard dwellings , they take heroic efforts simply to keep from coming apart.
asciilifeform: under pressure from such thing even as squirrel.
mircea_popescu: i must confess it's first thing i hear man's dwelling under threat from squirrel.
mircea_popescu: first time*
diana_coman: alternatively, get an owl I suppose
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: i'd buy ten.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644558 << cr sounds moar and moar argentine every day? ( but... with slightly better cheese☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 14:00 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/ << Trilema - In scams today, Disk Less Terminal SA dba "laesquinadelamazmorra"
asciilifeform: ? )
mircea_popescu: i did think that dude is likely ag expat.
mircea_popescu: but no, the country is fine. bars, open!
mircea_popescu: they are poor, of course.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for instance, squirrels have dug a tunnel into my wall, it would be great if they disappeared suddenly. but they won't, will have to get specialists << THere's a version of polyurethane foam marketed for this purpose.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> these cardboard dwellings , they take heroic efforts simply to keep from coming apart. << The general movement seems to be converting the cardboard into polyurethane in place at sucker's expense
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, already used. result: new hole.
asciilifeform: gotta kill the colony, the queen, or however it worx.
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah. Apparently D-con is popular for this purpose as are veteran barn cats
asciilifeform: dozen orbiting cats, apparently 0 help.
asciilifeform: i've never even seen these fat hogs, climb a roof.
BingoBoingo: Wrong kind of cats. Urban cats
BingoBoingo: You need a redneck kitty that ain't going to let any of those coons/squirrels/mice onto kitty's land
BingoBoingo: Common theme of "ode to barn cat" postings is week after mourning presumed loss of barncat, barn cat returns from spec ops mission of murder
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: First rule of barn cat is you feed them well so that they do not try to ration their murder in instead recreate in their death skills
BingoBoingo: Second rule of barn cat, is you wait for barncat to approach you for petting.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you do not wish to travel to civilized lands in search of barncat other things squirrels hate include OC spray and .22 LR
BingoBoingo: In other pest control problems https://archive.is/gaKxL
BingoBoingo: Still more pest control http://www.returnofkings.com/119492/antifa-gets-destroyed-by-right-wing-safety-squads-in-berkeley
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live
asciilifeform: ( though quiet air rifle might work. still quite a bit like squashing individual ants, to control ant problem. 99% of the time the beasts aren't in the open air, where one might draw a bead on them )
asciilifeform: from comment section : 'Watch the clip again. Watch her stand there against that wall. You can see she is thinking for the first time in her adult life about REALITY, not the fantasy she has been dreaming her life was all about.'
asciilifeform: 'I don't know what happened to Trump. Some muse he may be drugged and we would never know it and it makes sense. The world watched this man for two years to election day. And after Jan 20th, we watched him proceed immediately to walk his talk. Then... in like 24hrs... a full 180. If not drugs and mind control, there is always the secret grassy knoll footage of Kennedy's head being blown off to help Trump "get the message."'
asciilifeform: lulzy.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: how about don't elect 70yos.
asciilifeform: 'elect'
mircea_popescu: eh wouldja stop already.
asciilifeform: there wasn't a 30yo on the ballot, what.
asciilifeform: i checked.
mircea_popescu: ah.
asciilifeform: we have perfectly good elections here of the presorted 70y.o's. just like in the other su.
mircea_popescu: myah.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81831C6E8476ADF6D95F869D65330BAA462CE6D7B442AB83077A0D98548DE9BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...0837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.131.117.10 (ssh-rsa key from 209.131.117.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (aaa1.dgram.net. US NY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81831C6E8476ADF6D95F869D65330BAA462CE6D7B442AB83077A0D98548DE9BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1677...1853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '209.131.117.10 (ssh-rsa key from 209.131.117.10 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (aaa1.dgram.net. US NY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF93649AC225B58AA0456CF8DA98FA588E8453CACE17A1D461D4FDDCB2FF1A18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...4817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.210.162.147 (ssh-rsa key from 210.210.162.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (210.210.162.147.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF93649AC225B58AA0456CF8DA98FA588E8453CACE17A1D461D4FDDCB2FF1A18 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1417...3453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.210.162.147 (ssh-rsa key from 210.210.162.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (210.210.162.147.cbn.net.id. ID JK)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01455705F0486015FF171CA50A4981C16D62C238C5FC70DAA16CC5D24DC3BC84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1576...4113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.174.84.173 (ssh-rsa key from 88.174.84.173 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (via95-1-88-174-84-173.fbx.proxad.net. FR J 95)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01455705F0486015FF171CA50A4981C16D62C238C5FC70DAA16CC5D24DC3BC84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1746...5073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.174.84.173 (ssh-rsa key from 88.174.84.173 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (via95-1-88-174-84-173.fbx.proxad.net. FR J 95)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AD0C288DAC0088B7CAF1EDB0BE90720348D4E4C5949D54F3FDCD5511342C249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1484...6029 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.222.33.5 (ssh-rsa key from 213.222.33.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7AD0C288DAC0088B7CAF1EDB0BE90720348D4E4C5949D54F3FDCD5511342C249 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1623...2089 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.222.33.5 (ssh-rsa key from 213.222.33.5 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1647B55DEE35AAD8F888A4E8AE24333DAE40CDC1C27E6EA1DC19917D4D82C5C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...9797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.55.234.228 (ssh-rsa key from 69.55.234.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web1.bookoo.com. US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1647B55DEE35AAD8F888A4E8AE24333DAE40CDC1C27E6EA1DC19917D4D82C5C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1433...2207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '69.55.234.228 (ssh-rsa key from 69.55.234.228 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (web1.bookoo.com. US)
asciilifeform: turns out thing was down, ddosed to death, for a spell.
asciilifeform: the postgresql nonsense is infuriating.
asciilifeform: http://web1.bookoo.com << 'Hi. Welcome to TEST Bookoo! Our fantabulerrific online yard sale in TEST' >> looks like a faux alibaba
ben_vulpes: craigslist for the maga demo?
asciilifeform: nfi
mats: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldunne/2017/02/19/rats-new-cars-soy-coated-wires-give-rodents-plenty-to-chew-on
asciilifeform: 'Some newer model cars use materials like soy that are more biodegradable than plastics. It's all part of an effort to make car parts more environmentally-friendly. A Volvo service representative at a Volvo dealer in Michigan confirmed some instances of chewed wires, though they "mostly occurred in rural areas -- not cities." A Volvo spokesperson said that an "initial investigation [into the subject] did not return any substantive info
asciilifeform: lulz
asciilifeform: envirowhinerism - expensive, shoddy, deadly. (tm)(r)(uncle al)
asciilifeform: and, of course, 'inflation dun exist, terrorist. and here, buy a 40,000$ auto with plastic body and soy wires.'
asciilifeform: and if rats won't chew through the 400$ soy wires, the engine comp will auto-destruct ( sop in obummer-era units ) in 5y
asciilifeform: re: 'biodegradable' -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-26#690046 thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-05-26 21:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reminds me of a time when i stowed some stuff in plastic garbage bags, then discovered they were... biodegradable. turned to astonishing quantity of dust. when vacuuming old flat, found fragments - years after the fact.
asciilifeform: and every day that an auto lasts past its purchase credit being fully paid in -- is a bug , from lizard pov.
asciilifeform knows several people who ended up throwing one out either ~immediately after, or even prior to, the expiration of the magic 5y timer.
asciilifeform: from magically-unfixable ('this is the 7th replacement engine comp and now they last 2 hours only') boojums.
asciilifeform: shit however much you want on su, but their card were ~eternal~ -- in the sense of being repairable, theoretically for ever, and with common 20th c. tooling.
asciilifeform: 'lada' in cuba will be on the road when the last toyota made post-'08 is scrapped.
asciilifeform: *cars were
mod6: not sure if I mentioned yesterday, but I did start a collection of another ~1Gb of entropy from the same fg as I wrote up the blog post about.
mod6: gonna see what those results look like... then will probably continue on and test the remainder of the fgs I've got.
asciilifeform: neato mod6
asciilifeform: i'd also much like to hear from other FUCKGOATS users.
mod6: me too fwiw
mod6: update on offline-eatblock: 431K+ and into blk0041
mod6: looks like 7655 minutes running so far. ~5.3 days.
ben_vulpes: in other alf triggers: https://github.com/zhemao/glisp
asciilifeform: snoar
mircea_popescu: soo... i spent most of the day in the casinos, during which amiable passtime i happened to pick up the following tidbit :
mircea_popescu: ford made a fucking crib. like for kids, for your house. except it mimics your driving
mircea_popescu: lights and errything. you can even register actual tracks and have it play them back to the poor baby.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live << Nah, onto squirrels looking at your house. Get picnic chair, grab coffee, and wait
BingoBoingo: "Wozniak envisions Earth zoned for residential use and Mars for heavy industry." << Tard, residences can only be so far from heavy industry or "Y no Roads?"
ben_vulpes: relatedly, light industry in p-town is gearing up for some serious wailing on the topic of how all of the cheap housing for their cheap labor is ~gone and now cheap labor has to buy a car and fuel/maintain/operate/park it instead of biking ten minutes to the shabby-chic warehouse from their squalid shared living setups
mircea_popescu: can has road to mars
mircea_popescu: i read a novel.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes biking is no solution to anything.
ben_vulpes: tar me not with their wailing!
mircea_popescu: :p
ben_vulpes: the naive counter that "cars and more land area covered with rapidly-depreciated asphault solve nothing either!" is stupidly ignorant of path-dependent processes. america is the land of cars (thanks eisenhower) and will remain so for as far out as i can see.
ben_vulpes: plastification of typical vehicle mitigates against wear and tear from ever more degraded roads. less mass, less demand on the shock absorption system.
ben_vulpes: there's a very real lower bound on the savings to be delivered with this vehicle though, and they're probably going to get burnt down by the poor folks who can't afford any better than the plastic having to drive further because must ams cities.
mircea_popescu: you have it re the tear issue.
mircea_popescu: the decision was made cca 2006 us infrastructure will not be maintained. the plasticar is unavoidable "squeeze last drop"
mircea_popescu: but the curious are encouraged to do a court survey of cases of "motorist killed by large road debris", there's been 100s of cases to date.
ben_vulpes: bridges still fall down in the great again
mircea_popescu: and will. "because bums".
ben_vulpes: mitigation actually runs in two directions; reduction in wear on road from lighter vehicles and reduction in wear on lighter vehicles from their own asses bouncing around. human-mass will keep going up, though, which will also eat the savings.
ben_vulpes: aaaand because the rail system is nonexistent, freight weight will not change and continue to rip roads up.
mircea_popescu: not so much freight left. most of the "goods" consumed by average ustard being "virtual" ie ipad bonbons.
ben_vulpes: who could've predicted that a transportation system designed to give every schmuck their own car for driving as far as they can would be so expensive in the long run. who could've predicted the automatic transmission would accelerate the trend, or that robocars idem.
mircea_popescu: awell
mircea_popescu: whocouldhavepredicted/condolezzariceism pays well and wins no wars.
mircea_popescu: in other news and fwiw -- mp's stable of expert pic interpreters diagnosed the usgtard face smashing brigades as "likely oakland, maybe some rural oregon"
BingoBoingo: Who could have predicted!
mircea_popescu: in any case chick getting facepunched will be new trilema header.
mircea_popescu: muuch better.
ben_vulpes loled at an old local liberal spitting on the ground when having to discuss "eugene anarchists"
mircea_popescu: awww
BingoBoingo: Well, Oregon was founded for whitey
mircea_popescu: that dork is precious though. overweight, totally cockroach-headed female going at a very hurr durr pace right into a fist.
mircea_popescu: hopefully it fractured her nose in such a manner she's still bleeding.
ben_vulpes: glorious socialist republic, at the forefront of socialist innovations claimed and actual, from right to die to filthy black-brigaders messing up all of our lovely peaceful protests
mircea_popescu: she's like something from a coloring book for mongoloid kids.
mircea_popescu: happy poo bear or some shit.
BingoBoingo: Literal "poo" bear
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the trump still delivers even in his hour of senile irrelevancy.
ben_vulpes: something something also "involved in 'porn'"
BingoBoingo: In other roads, nearby shithole cutting spending but total tax levy still goes up 10% in one year because pensions http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article144779574.html#storylink=hpdigest
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes huh ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently she does unshaved cunt porn
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ? "police" pantsuit clown ?
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, /me testing a node compiling under c++11 rules, wild vpatch for anyone who wants to play along: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/p2A0L/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: 1% compiler flags, 99% syntax gynmastics
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck ? "police" pantsuit clown ? << Punched antifa cunt
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this builds ??
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo link plox ?
mircea_popescu will make a better gif.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: unless i've made a terrible mistake, do believe it builds
ben_vulpes: is there a reason to think that it wouldn't?
asciilifeform: - printf("nTransactionFee = %"PRI64d"\n", nTransactionFee);
asciilifeform: + printf("nTransactionFee = %" PRI64d "\n", nTransactionFee);
asciilifeform: ^ wai?
ben_vulpes: gcc's c++11 mode began complaining about such
asciilifeform: what's the such ?
asciilifeform: spaces ?!
ben_vulpes: something along the lines of string literals next to template macros
asciilifeform: pffff
ben_vulpes: i can reproduce up the specific barf if you'd like
asciilifeform: plz
ben_vulpes: one sec, brain liquifier running
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://www.erocurves.com/venus-rosales-hairy-inked-girl/
mircea_popescu: ahahaha nice.
asciilifeform: notbad.jpg
BingoBoingo: more http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/before-after-antifa.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644681 << does it come with little smoke bomb so they can breathe CO even when at home, in sim car ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 21:54 mircea_popescu: ford made a fucking crib. like for kids, for your house. except it mimics your driving
mircea_popescu: possible.
asciilifeform: ( orlov had a point re 'notice, they have CO detectors in boats, but not in any passenger car. because the alarm would ring continuously. )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ew8j2/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644683 << aha, i can sit and enjoy perforating own roof and walls, while i wait for 1st passing police car to shoot me in the back, 'we saw terrorist with rifle'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 21:55 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lol, sprays into house ?! and .22 may as well be dynamite, where i live << Nah, onto squirrels looking at your house. Get picnic chair, grab coffee, and wait
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nuts.
ben_vulpes: although wtf, perhaps this vpatch does not nuke all barfage
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, that's where you deploy OC spray. If cops come you just say brown man was near, feared rape
ben_vulpes have stale strange in tooling
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my street is ~100% 'brown'
BingoBoingo: Sit in chair, spray squirrels
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then story is credible
BingoBoingo: And consider moving
asciilifeform: to where ?
asciilifeform: mars ?
BingoBoingo: Move to place where neighbor has productive barncat.
BingoBoingo: http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/04/16/exclusive-gay-porn-kingpin-protect-america-muslim-barbarians/
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644743 << white people with dreads are the worst☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 22:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://www.erocurves.com/venus-rosales-hairy-inked-girl/
mats: fucking wooks
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: you don't understand her search for her own cultural identity.
mircea_popescu: also, she's not white. she prefers to be referred to as "buttery"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, she's not white. she prefers to be referred to as "buttery" << i.e. wants to trap a black man and get Obeast on him
mats: and while i'm being hateful, i think the chinese owner of my favorite chinese takeout spot sold the place because i received complementary dinner rolls with my meal
mircea_popescu: also thank you very much internets! http://trilema.com <<< now has a header fit for the times.
mats: probably bought by a white person
mircea_popescu: mats i get free shit in chinese restaurants half the fucking time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth gotta be spoken somewhere on the www.
mats: i've never seen a dinner roll in any asian restaurant in my life
mircea_popescu: oh the item specifically. what is it ?
mats: bread roll
mircea_popescu: um
mats: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/215378/classic-dinner-rolls
asciilifeform: meanwhile, they built a 'whole foods' ('high end' food shop) not far from where asciilifeform lives, he went in, and saw : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wfood.jpg
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: mats it's a CONTINENTAL!!11 chinese restaurant nao, beotch!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very typical of the "expert in metaphysics" generation.
asciilifeform: let's put random wordz on the sticker.
asciilifeform: and moar random wordz.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants swamp dc LOCAL coffee ?
mircea_popescu: im not even sure i'd eat the local gator.
asciilifeform: it ain't local of course
mircea_popescu: nooo ?
asciilifeform: coffee dun grow here, wtf
mircea_popescu: WOULD A LABEL LIE?!
asciilifeform: it grows in bananistans
asciilifeform: 'fair trade'
BingoBoingo: lol
mircea_popescu: "it was a fair lie!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644701 << even in tiny nowhere town, megatonnes of shitburger, cornstarch 'beer', menstruettes, devil knows what else, delivered every morning. on gigantic trucks.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 22:25 mircea_popescu: not so much freight left. most of the "goods" consumed by average ustard being "virtual" ie ipad bonbons.
asciilifeform: 'man does not live' by ipad ' alone'!11
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644692 << i know of 0 evidence that the car vendors give any measurable fuck re usa roads. it's pure, unimpeded rape of the captive customer.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 22:10 ben_vulpes: plastification of typical vehicle mitigates against wear and tear from ever more degraded roads. less mass, less demand on the shock absorption system.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing there to rape.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "su govt raped colovek" gtfo ?
mircea_popescu: su peon had nothing on his own. all he had - gift.
asciilifeform: not so long ago -- iron cars.
asciilifeform: now -- shitburger.
mircea_popescu: pfff.
asciilifeform: somebody ate the delta.
asciilifeform: and not martians, no.
mircea_popescu: if i water MY tree with beer one day and with piss another, i still don't want to hear what it thinks on the topic.
mircea_popescu: only thing for tree is to be thankful watered at all, and thankful WAS watered once not watered anymore.
asciilifeform: well yes, that's what american car buyer is.
mircea_popescu: o wait, you say buyer because he... umm... what does he do ? "buys it" on "credit" ie govt gives him a car ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unlike obummer-housing, car loan gets repaid or confiscation.
asciilifeform: no 'forgivenesses'.
asciilifeform: and repaid with +%.
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh don't tell me... inca takes his own car back, used ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: this almost souinds like the peon bought it, totally.
ben_vulpes: i think this gets the rest of the gcc bitching: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/k9CNE/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: even funnier is the "car lease"
mircea_popescu: many different flavours of "please don't notice same thing".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is an appealing model but does not explain why inca would make the junk ~unrepairable, rather than sov-style durable
asciilifeform: if it is plain overhead for inca.
mircea_popescu: same reason it keeps bombing asphalt stretches in syria / produces "airplane" etc.
mircea_popescu: makework. at the height of communism, 150% of soviet gdp.
asciilifeform: fact: if you walk in with the 40k in turkeydollarz, you 1) still get a plastic piece of shit that comes apart in 5y ~exactly 2) you're out 40k turneydollarz.
asciilifeform: *turkey
mircea_popescu: you're also an idiot.
mircea_popescu: 40k turkey dollars buys you an ukrainian split, why the fuck would you trade it for a car.
asciilifeform: split?
mircea_popescu: yes, i linked the paperwork coupla days ago. what the ukr split cost was 40k.
mircea_popescu: but -- turkey dollars 40k. us embassy barely scraped it together.
asciilifeform: what's a split ?
asciilifeform: ooooh
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: you know, when two groups of niggers call each other names.
asciilifeform: that's rather like to say, killing kennedy cost 20cent
asciilifeform: (bullet)
mircea_popescu: not quite.
asciilifeform: can asciilifeform go and split, say, czechoslovakia, with 40k ?
asciilifeform: if not -- it dun 'cost 40k'
asciilifeform: it 'costs 40k' + x.
mircea_popescu: if asciilifeform can't split with 40k, asciilifeform gotta find a better shop.
asciilifeform: this costs >0.
asciilifeform: ergo sum >40k.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: get a better girlk to do better coupon clipping
asciilifeform: which countries, mircea_popescu's bettergurlz split today ?
mircea_popescu: berkley!!1
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: :D
mircea_popescu: FUCK YOU IM A DRAGON!!!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644685 << what industry was this, ben_vulpes ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 22:02 ben_vulpes: relatedly, light industry in p-town is gearing up for some serious wailing on the topic of how all of the cheap housing for their cheap labor is ~gone and now cheap labor has to buy a car and fuel/maintain/operate/park it instead of biking ten minutes to the shabby-chic warehouse from their squalid shared living setups
asciilifeform: http://fordmaxmotordreams.com << holyfuck -- exists
asciilifeform: (defaults to spanish, even)
mircea_popescu: what you thought i was making it up ?
asciilifeform: i was half-convinced it was an april1
mircea_popescu: no, had lulz at all time checking out the "fox central nitro"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-16#1644792 << ceremony is an Annapolis, md roaster☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-16 23:06 asciilifeform: it ain't local of course
asciilifeform: many shops roast even on the grounds
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu was speaking of where the thing grows.
mircea_popescu: phf so if i paint the car in alaska it's a local car now ?
phf: well, if you assemble a car out of chinese parts in alaska it still wouldn't be an alaskan car, but the line gets blurry
mircea_popescu: the roasting coffee is paint not assembly.
asciilifeform: can -- in principle -- roast in own kitchen, on frying pan.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the best thing roaster can do is not ruin the coffee.
mircea_popescu: this is not a substantial contribution. but i suppose assemblage is not that different after all.
asciilifeform: ^ this is quite beyond the ability of -- afaik -- anyone in usa
phf: well, in u.s. dominant roasting brands tend to ruin the coffee
asciilifeform: i have 2, maybe 3 cups of unruined coffee period.
asciilifeform: *had
mircea_popescu: phf this is true but also you know, "everyone assembles the car with wheels on hood -- we do not"
mircea_popescu: well... okay...
phf: like many things discussed here, it is a situation of many causes and effects also known as "the whole spitoon"
mircea_popescu: tru dat.
phf: but what i was actually going to say, is that openbsd disks apparently weren't pressed. it seems like theo de raadt has been burning them by hand up until now
asciilifeform: !
asciilifeform: lol!
phf: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=149232307018311&w=2
asciilifeform: phf: srsly ?! iirc, danielpbarron had aluminum disks
asciilifeform: 'Goodbye CDs I'm done with you today Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye No more pre-production And no more long delays So I have peace Of mind Goodbye.'
phf: "Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners?"
phf: it could be a joke, but the "well-used" part, i dunno if that's the kind joke somebody with a proper pressing plant contracts would make at the end of a long run
danielpbarron: huh, yeah the CDs i have are the "real" kind that look aluminum
asciilifeform: hey phf , danielpbarron , et al, any of you have any such cd nearby ? can look at it ?
danielpbarron: i have it sitting right next to me
asciilifeform: and 'delays' suggests -- aluminum.
asciilifeform: (burned disks tend to happen same-week)
asciilifeform: pressed disks -- happen at FUCKGOATS speed.
danielpbarron: i haven't opened versions 5.6 through 5.8 but my 5.5 is the official kind of cd that looks shiny metal (not colorful)
asciilifeform: it gets worse:
asciilifeform: 'The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is better to call it quits on a high note.'
asciilifeform: looks like he's done.
asciilifeform: done so much as trying to matter.
asciilifeform: 'Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear.'
danielpbarron: speaking of.. let's see if this works now
asciilifeform: including the 'problem' of non-remotelymodifiable copies .
danielpbarron: !!deed http://danielpbarron.com/obsd55-cd1.iso.tar.gz.txt.asc
phf: also, in case nobody noticed, 6.1 release has arm64 support, that relies on the base clang (that in turn was included but otherwise not used in base last december)